[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

Yall are probably going to hate me for this but…  BTW, this is based on the sites mock draft..  Only the lottery.

1. Kyrie Irving – Jose Calderon – A good PG who isnt exacly a scorer.  He has a great first step and can get to the hoop but dont look for him to finish very often.  His true ability is to pass and create.  He will be a solid PG and will be a good starter for years to come. He will score around 12 PPG and dish close to 7 assist.

2. Derrick Williams – Antawn Jamison – I think they are perfect clones.  Jamison, out of college was primarily a faceup PF without much of a jumper. He relied on his athletic ability and legnth to score and rebound.  Once he got into the NBA, he learned to shoot when he was asked to play the SF. If Williams can learn to shoot and get stronger, he could be a consistant 15 PPG and 6 rebound guy.

3. Brandon Knight – Jeff Teague – Great first step with knack for scoring.  Not a great athlete but long enough to compensate for the lack of a vert. Has a strong jumper and has the ability to get hott with the drop of a hat..  Look for him to be an early contender for Rookie of the Year simply because he is going to score in bunches.

4. Enes Kanter – Nene – Probably wont have that dominate stregnth that Nene has, but he does combine respectable stregnth with very fluid mobility.  Can shoot the mid range shot but should primarily play around the rim. Has the ability to play the PF spot but will play C most of his career. I cant see him being a 20-10 guy in the near future but I dont think that 15 and 8 is out of the question.

5. Jonas Valanciunas – Brook Lopez – As of now, he is very very skinny.  All post players bulk up when they get in the league. That is exactly what will happen to Jonas. He will always be the big, slow guy with a very fluid and effective offensive game.  Probably will never be a terreffic rebounder because of lack of stregnth and jumping ability but will be respectable. Will have a solid career in the NBA but could end up leaving to be a star in his home country… Could be a huge player but will have to get alot stronger.

6. Jan Vesely – Rashard Lewis – Nice player but will be stuck in between positions for his whole career.  Has nice range on his jumper and is rounding into a nice offensive threat.  Probably will be too slow to guard the better SFs of the league and to weak to guard the better PFs of the league. If put in the right position at SF between a great defender at the SG and a great defender at the PF, he could be a very nice SF in the league for a while.  Never going to be a good rebounder or a guy who can create for others. Primarily a shooter/scorer for a team. Nice addition but not a star.

7. Kemba Walker – Damon Stoudamire – If put in the right position, he could be a phenom. This kid has the ability to score close to 20 points per game and get close to 8 assist.  Will that happen?? Probably not.  Small guard with a great first step and an "in your face" attitude.  Kemba will have to continue to improve his range to be effective in the NBA because he wont always be able to blow past defenders and finish at the rim.. There is no Dwight Howard to block your shot in college.. Look for explosive moves to the rim with little to show for it.. He will have a tough transisiton to the NBA but will over come it.

8. Kawhi Leonard – Richard Jefferson – Just like Jefferson, Kawhi is coming into the league with a unique skill set that does not include a jumper.  Jefferson caught a lucky break and was able to play with Jason Kidd.  Kidd makes bad players look good.. If Jefferson hadnt played with Kidd, he would have been just another atheltic forward.  Kawhi is going to be that.. He has a motor but unless he adds alot to his game, he will be just another athlete… Jefferson developed next to Kidd and Kittles but will Kawhi get that chance??

9. Tristan Thompson – Darrell Arthur – Great leaper who can run the floor and make plays with his athletic ability.  Running and jumping will be his stregnth early but his jumper is a work in progress and as long as he works with it, he could be a nice starter one day.

10. Alec Burks – Shaun Livingston – He is a very mobile, fluid player that has the skill to play the PG and SG position.  He is long, athletic and has a great ability to get to the rim.. He can set up players from the wing and really uses the pick and roll well.  Not a great shooter but his other skills compensate for it.  He has the potiental to be a 20, 5, and 5 guy.. Could be the steal of the draft.

11. Marcus Morris – Jeff Green – Will be a contributer right away with his ability to shoot and score here and there.  Has a strong body with pretty good athletic ability but will always be stuck between positons as a PF/SF.  Unless he adds lots of stregnth, he will be a tweener who is probably going to be a career 6th man.

12. Klay Thompson – Anthony Parker – Great shooter with the ability to knock down shots from anywhere.  Possibly the best shooter in the whole draft.  Long player who can defend because of the legnth.  Not a great athlete and wont dunk on your head very often.  Probably will be a role player from day 1 and could turn into a great starter off of a nice PG.

13. Bismack Biyombo – Antonio McDyess – Yeah, as of now, he doenst have the offensive game but he has everything else.. He is long, explosive, mean, and aggressive.. Before his injury, McDyess was a premier athlete and could climb the ladder to grab rebounds and block shots. His offense came off of dunks and the occasional jumper.  Primarily, he was a jumper/dunker.  After he was hurt, he because more of a skill player. Biyombo could ride the bench for a team or he could be a consistant player.. It is really up in the air for him but I see him as an impact player from day 1.

14. Markieff Morris – Glen Davis – This guy is mean, agressive and has a uniqe skill set.  He has a nice stand still jumper with range out to three and also has a good inside game with a nice set of moves going towards the rim.. He is a physical, strong body that is willing to do the dirty work.. He is bigger and stronger than Davis but plays with a similar passion and I dont think his 3 point range will transfer to the NBA.  I see him having a nice top of the key shot but not a 3 point threat this early. 

[ghettosermonParticipant]

I appreciate the off beat comparisons, but some of them are just strange to me. The Knight to Teague one makes little sense apart from quickness. You said it yourself, Knight has a great jump shot that’s his bigggest asset. Teague is a guy who can’t hit a jumper to save his life but can get in the lane at will. They are completey different players. The McDyess comparison for Biyombo is also a head scratcher. Biyombo is so raw offensively it’s not even funny. If it seems right it probably is, the comparison to Ibaka is valid. People think they shouldn’t make the comparison because they are both from Congo played in Spain, but to be honest Biyombo’s role will be like Ibaka’s. And I do remember when Antonio was a monster in Denver pre injury and I don’t think you are giving him enough credit skills wise. Yeah he used to be an explosive athlete but he always had great post skills and a good mid range jumper. Biyombo’s calling card is defense and rebounding, he might not ever be a decent offensive option. Antonio in his prime was a double double machine.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

Teague has a nice jumper… Very nice.. IDK if you are close on the Teague thing.. McDyess was a beast but he didnt do alot of things other than a nice drop step dunk and a couple up and under dunks… He had a decent little jumper but he really got better at that later…

[JoeWolf1]

 8th,

Why don’t you think Kyrie is a good scorer? He dropped almost 18 ppg for a Duke team with two good scorers in Smith and Singler.  He dropped 31 on Michigan State and 28 in a tournament game, while shooting good percentages in the process.  He’s not a scorer like Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, or Westbrook at this point in has career, but I don’t see any reason why he won’t project as at least a 15-16 ppg scorer in the NBA and it wouldn’t surprise me if he had a season or two close to 19 or 20 ppg.

 

[ilike.panochasParticipant]

Kanter = Nene. This is a far comparison, when Nene was coming in the draft, he was considered a freak athlete than can run like a deer at 6’10 250lbs. So this was a odd comparison.

Jonas = Brook Lopez. Another odd comparison. Jonas is considered a defensive minded Center prospect with excellet rebounding skills and lacks offensive polish. Brook Lopez on the otherhand while at Stanford had advance offensive skills with questionable defense and rebounding coming in the draft.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

I was talking about Kyrie as a Rookie getting those numbers….  I didnt say he wasnt a good scorer, I said his best skill is passing..

Jonas only pulls down like 4 rebounds a game… He is tall and lanky and a good scorer.. Not good as a rebounder or a defender othen than being long…

[JimmeredYaWabafetParticipant]

in euroleague Jonas plays 15 minutes per game with 5.8 a game lol,Marc Gasol never averaged more than 4 rebounds per game in euroleague

[TRC1991Participant]

i think the kenneth faried to udonis haslem is picking up popularity

 

the irving to calderon comparison blows my mind..calderon is a big PG who isn’t expolive, isnt going to get to the rim, but is a great technician and sets his teammates up well for scoring…irving is an underrated scorer, undersized, and really quick

 

markieff morris and glen davis? what? markieff is tall and effective with his back to the basket- glen davis is a stub who plays facing the basket

 

mcdyess was always so gifted on O and really experienced coming out of Bama, biyombo is the last person id call experienced

[TRC1991Participant]

i think the kenneth faried to udonis haslem is picking up popularity

 

the irving to calderon comparison blows my mind..calderon is a big PG who isn’t explosive, isnt going to get to the rim, but is a great technician and sets his teammates up well for scoring…irving is an underrated scorer, undersized, and really quick

 

markieff morris and glen davis? what? markieff is tall and effective with his back to the basket- glen davis is a stub who plays facing the basket

 

mcdyess was always so gifted on O and really experienced coming out of Bama, biyombo is the last person id call experienced

[scoutguruParticipant]

 The only comp i like that u have is the DWill, Jamison one, think that one is dead on in regards to their skill set coming out of college and how it evolved in the NBA. The Marcus Morris, Jeff Green one is good also. A 3/4 guy who can score it from a # of diff spots. Hopefully he gets to play more of the 3 though, and isn’t forced to play the 4 as Jeff was back in OKC.

The one I dislike the most is the Kanter being compared to Nene. Just for the simple fact that Nene was a freak athlete coming out, and is still above average of an athlete at his position, despite a number of serious injuries. I’m not gonna claim to know much about Kanter, but from that perspective alone, I don’t like it based on the limited footage I’ve seen of him. I also don’t think Livingston is a good comp for Burks. Burks is a wing scorer, who slashes to the basket and draws fouls etc. Livingston when he came out and early in his career, he proved to be a pure pg. Burks while he can probably be put there in spot duty, is probably more of a combo, in a Jamal Crawford type mold.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Irving doesn’t have elite speed.  Yeah he put 31 on Michigan State but MSU had a pretty bad year for their standards, and he had 28 against Arizona but got blown out, and didn’t really shut down MoMo Jones or anything.  With those other weapons against Arizona he should have gotten other guys involved.  Mike Conley sounds like a good comparison, but Conley has better speed, while Irving has better size.  Conley is not a bad player but he is not worth the top pick. 

Derrick Williams reminds me of Iggy.  Great athlete, good length, can rebound and block shots and throw down dunks.  Kind of raw though.  I think Jamison had better fundamentals and more of a mid-range game, but not as athletic as Williams or Iggy.  An upside candidate?  Scottie Pippen?  Shot about the same in college.  Something about his Derrick Williams game that I like.  He destroyed Duke in an efficient game.  Made nearly all his threes in the first half, and threw down a vicious dunk in the second half.  He was clearly the best player on the court.  

Kawhi Leonard reminds me of Gerald Wallace somewhat as far as upside goes.  A better version of Demare Carroll. 

I can see the damon stoudamire references for Kemba Walker.  I can also see some Tim Hardaway and Ben Gordon.

Not as sure about Kanter.  Haven’t seen him play.

Bismack sounds like Serge Ibaka.  More of a defensive guy than McDyess.  McDyess did most of his scoring around the basket before he got hurt.  If he turns into a Serge Ibaka type player then he should be picked somewhere in the top 8.  I think he would fit in well next to Greg Monroe on the Pistons or with Cousins on the Kings.

Motie sounds like a taller Kyle Singler.  … Vesely sounds like AK-47 for upside, but a downside comparison or a mid-range comparison might be one of the Plumlee brothers.

[cabbycabParticipant]

I’ve heard the Dwill/Jamison comparison on here before and I just don’t see it.  Dwill is far more explosive and athletic than Jamison ever was.  While Jamison was not taking a lot of jump shots in college he always had a nice touch around the basket and perfected that little "flip hook" he still uses.  Do you think Dwill’s ceiling is a 15/6 guy??   I think he is good for at least 12ppg without shooting one jumper.   

Knight = Teague.   No. 

[apb540Participant]

Derrick Williams reminds you of Iggy?  You are aware that one is a 2/3 and the other is a 4/3 right?

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

apb450,

I think Iggy played all over the place at Arizona and Derrick Williams played the 3 and 4, but both are small forwards in the NBA.  Iggy played well as an under-sized power forward for the 2010 USA world championship team.

Iggy is better at ball handling and passing, while Derrick Williams is better at 3 point shooting and is a better shot blocker.

 

FG% 3%  FT%  Points Reb Assists

.592

.575

.719

23.6

10.0

4.3   — first set of stats (as a college senior)

.595. .568. .746   19.5  8.3 1.1  — second set of stats as a college sophomore.

 

The first set of stats belongs to Scottie Pippen during his senior year at Central Arkansas. The second guy is Derrick William’s stats from his second year at Arizona.  Similar shooting percentages.  Pippen had more points, rebounds, and assists per game.

But here are Pippen’s stats as a junior: 

Pts. Reb. Assists.

19.8

9.2

3.5

Very comparable to William’s stats as a sophomore.  Plus, D Will had better percentages.  Pip still had better assists though.  But in his first two years Pippen averaged 0.7 and 1.6 assists per game, with Williams going for 0.7 and 1.1 assists per game in his first two years in college.

 

[JNixonParticipant]

Yeeeeeaaaaahhhh, Derrick Williams and Andre Iguodala aren’t comparable at all. That’s apples and oranges if I ever seen it.

Brandon Knight isn’t nearly as explosive as Jeff teague athletically so he won’t get into the lane as easy at all, and he doesn’t have the same handle either. Knight is a much better shooter than Teague is as well. No Teague doesn’t have a "very nice" jumper. Not at all.

Alec Burks and Shaun Livingston don’t play alike at all. Livingston was a pure PG, Burks MIGHT be able to play PG in spurts if his team goes big, but that more of a result of him being versatile than it is he’s similar to Shaun Livingston. Livingston was one of the better pure passers in the NBA before he got hurt. Certainly was developing into one. Burks is way more of a SG than Livingston, and more of a guy who looks for his own shot.

Kyrie Irving is similar to a current Jose Calderon, in alot of ways. I like the comparison FOR NOW, he should be better. Irving is somewhere in the middle of Chris Paul and Mike Conley Jr IMO. He’s a good scorer, an above average playmaker (I expect about 8 or 9 apg consistently in his career), and a decent defender. He’s not quite as quick as CP3 and Conley, but he’s bigger and he’s not bad either way in terms of his jets.

 

[butidonthavemoney]

This is why I missed having JNixon-Iggy around.

[ghettosermonParticipant]

I think Irving’s ceilling is a Chauncey Billups type floor general. Everyone loves comparing him to Chris Paul but he simply doesn’t have that type of playmaking ability, he won’t even put up Wall assist numbers. He is a smooth operator, poised and has a great jump shot. If he can continue to get stronger and work on his defense I can see him having a Billups type impact.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

Irving has pretty good playmaking ability. Yes he scored a lot while he was at Duke and his assists were only at 4.3 per game, but you have to keep in mind that he was only handling about half of his team’s ball handling duties. It is apparent from watching him play that he is an excellent passer with very good vision, and that he makes everyone around him better. You can talk all you want to about the Arizona game, but I think had more to do with trying to fit him back into the offense than anything else. I would say he is about Wall’s equal when it comes to passing the ball and like Iggy, I would expect him to consistently put up 8-9 assists per game in the league. 

[ghettosermonParticipant]

^ I didn’t say Irving isn’t a good passer he’s just not in that elite CP3 category. Also Wall will always have high assist numbers because no one can stop him from getting in the lane and when the defense breaks down he’s great at throwing that lob. Much like Parker and Billups Irving’s assist numbers will be modest because he isn’t a freak going to the hoop and he can pull up if the defense gives him space.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

I guess, but it seems to me that Irving has much better natural vision than both Billups and Tony Parker. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[shipargosParticipant]

 

Williams – jamison seems the most accurate.

Jonas-Biedris with better free throw % and more potential. 

Burks is a Two-Poor mans BRoy

Knight is more like Jterry

And Vesely isnt a shooter like lewis (nowhere near), but is more athletic and can be like AK

Kanter is odd to compare, like Gortat with a Jumpshot, but i dont have enough evidence to support it.

 

[kobyzParticipant]

Kyrie Irving = Tony Parker(more range) – 2 players who build the same, both are great at scoring but also has very good playmaking and passing ability, both guards exceptional good in getting to the paint and finishing, similar fashion of quickness and ball handling.

 

[aamir543Participant]

I really dont have anything to say except that the comparisions were terrible. Kyrie Irving is like Chris Paul except a couple notches lower. (On the level Baron Davis was on BEFORE Donald Sterling ruined his career. 

[kobyzParticipant]

as for Jan Vesely, the player that he is similar to the most in today NBA is Al-Farouq Aminu, both are combo forwards, 2 athletic, energetic players with good motors, have raw skills but developing reliable 3 point shot.

[kobyzParticipant]

Derrick Williams remind me more Shareef Abdur Rahim than Antawn Jamison, just because Williams game is similar more to the well rounded game of Abdur Rahim than the unorthodox style of Jamison.

[JimmeredYaWabafetParticipant]

Kyrie Irving = Tony Parker(more range) – 2 players who build the same, both are great at scoring but also has very good playmaking and passing ability, both guards exceptional good in getting to the paint and finishing, similar fashion of quickness and ball handling.

rather compare him to Sam Cassell or Billups,Kyrie is not near Tony’s quickness and im not sure if Kyrie’s foot problem is really serious like Bynum having to wear knee pads for the rest of his career since Skip Bayless said Kyrie will have to wear a special shoe when he is in the NBA

 

edit lol my avatar is changing by itself

[shipargosParticipant]

I can see A lot of Abdur Rahim in Williams,

Irving maybe like parker with better jumpshot and an less advanced layup skills.

[JNixonParticipant]

Yeah that Abdur-Rahim comparison the best one yet for Williams I think.

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