[nbaretroParticipant]

Micheal Beasley for a 2nd round pick? That’s looking like a steal now.

Wes Johnson looking impressive

 

Has David Khan begin to flip this whole thing around? All of a sudden, he has a whole bunch of decent talent ( Love, Johnson, Beasley) and is close to doing something, I don’t know what.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

He’s still stupid.  He has 2 post players that aren’t very good defenders.

Johnson is looking to be pretty good and Flynn has always seemed to be a pretty good PG for the future.  But aside from that, what else does he have going for him?

2 soft bigs on defense, a PG, and a wing player..

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

He’s still stupid.  He has 2 post players that aren’t very good defenders.

Johnson is looking to be pretty good and Flynn has always seemed to be a pretty good PG for the future.  But aside from that, what else does he have going for him?

2 soft bigs on defense, a PG, and a wing player..

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

He’s still stupid.  He has 2 post players that aren’t very good defenders.

Johnson is looking to be pretty good and Flynn has always seemed to be a pretty good PG for the future.  But aside from that, what else does he have going for him?

2 soft bigs on defense, a PG, and a wing player..

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Really? You are aware that the Heat wouldn’t have LeBron, Wade, and Bosh without that trade. Miami is a team with standards so high that every loss causes a code red on ESPN and every website that covers the NBA. Their "slow start" of four losses is only bettered by six teams, and all six of those teams have higher payrolls. Minnesota is 4-9 and their fans want to throw a parade.

 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Really? You are aware that the Heat wouldn’t have LeBron, Wade, and Bosh without that trade. Miami is a team with standards so high that every loss causes a code red on ESPN and every website that covers the NBA. Their "slow start" of four losses is only bettered by six teams, and all six of those teams have higher payrolls. Minnesota is 4-9 and their fans want to throw a parade.

 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Really? You are aware that the Heat wouldn’t have LeBron, Wade, and Bosh without that trade. Miami is a team with standards so high that every loss causes a code red on ESPN and every website that covers the NBA. Their "slow start" of four losses is only bettered by six teams, and all six of those teams have higher payrolls. Minnesota is 4-9 and their fans want to throw a parade.

 

[NYCrealdealParticipant]

BTPH i agree with you lol

[NYCrealdealParticipant]

BTPH i agree with you lol

[NYCrealdealParticipant]

BTPH i agree with you lol

[ShekiruBoomParticipant]

i read on si.com that keeping beasley wouldn’t have had an effect on miami trio. they just replaced beasley for mike miller. so as of now at least miami heat is losing big time on the deal as mike miller is injured while beasley is out putting up 25, 30 points. but then he wouldn’t be as good in miami and I think mike miller would complement miami trio better than beasley so i guess its pretty even. 

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2010/11/16/heat-feeling-traders-remorse-over-beasley/

and honestly i don’t think david kahn is doing thaaatttttt bad as the vote for darko says but hes only been in charge for a couple of years and you can’t expect a completely makeover of a team that was in such a turmoil as the twolves were in just couple of years. gotta say though the 2 staright picks spent on rubio and flynn look to be wastes as rubio doesn’t seem like hes coming over anytime soon and flynn was clearly not the best option they had at the 6 spot as curry and jennings have proven to be better. o and don’t forget about milicic. i don’t think his contract, although it is bad, made kahn look really dumb but comparing milicic to vlade divac and chris webber was the thing that made him look retarded

 

[ShekiruBoomParticipant]

i read on si.com that keeping beasley wouldn’t have had an effect on miami trio. they just replaced beasley for mike miller. so as of now at least miami heat is losing big time on the deal as mike miller is injured while beasley is out putting up 25, 30 points. but then he wouldn’t be as good in miami and I think mike miller would complement miami trio better than beasley so i guess its pretty even. 

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2010/11/16/heat-feeling-traders-remorse-over-beasley/

and honestly i don’t think david kahn is doing thaaatttttt bad as the vote for darko says but hes only been in charge for a couple of years and you can’t expect a completely makeover of a team that was in such a turmoil as the twolves were in just couple of years. gotta say though the 2 staright picks spent on rubio and flynn look to be wastes as rubio doesn’t seem like hes coming over anytime soon and flynn was clearly not the best option they had at the 6 spot as curry and jennings have proven to be better. o and don’t forget about milicic. i don’t think his contract, although it is bad, made kahn look really dumb but comparing milicic to vlade divac and chris webber was the thing that made him look retarded

 

[ShekiruBoomParticipant]

i read on si.com that keeping beasley wouldn’t have had an effect on miami trio. they just replaced beasley for mike miller. so as of now at least miami heat is losing big time on the deal as mike miller is injured while beasley is out putting up 25, 30 points. but then he wouldn’t be as good in miami and I think mike miller would complement miami trio better than beasley so i guess its pretty even. 

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2010/11/16/heat-feeling-traders-remorse-over-beasley/

and honestly i don’t think david kahn is doing thaaatttttt bad as the vote for darko says but hes only been in charge for a couple of years and you can’t expect a completely makeover of a team that was in such a turmoil as the twolves were in just couple of years. gotta say though the 2 staright picks spent on rubio and flynn look to be wastes as rubio doesn’t seem like hes coming over anytime soon and flynn was clearly not the best option they had at the 6 spot as curry and jennings have proven to be better. o and don’t forget about milicic. i don’t think his contract, although it is bad, made kahn look really dumb but comparing milicic to vlade divac and chris webber was the thing that made him look retarded

 

[ShekiruBoomParticipant]

 and i think kevin love and michael beasley are pretty solid players to make a playoff team around. and i love that beasley is playing more of a SF which i think is his ideal position instead of a PF

[ShekiruBoomParticipant]

 and i think kevin love and michael beasley are pretty solid players to make a playoff team around. and i love that beasley is playing more of a SF which i think is his ideal position instead of a PF

[ShekiruBoomParticipant]

 and i think kevin love and michael beasley are pretty solid players to make a playoff team around. and i love that beasley is playing more of a SF which i think is his ideal position instead of a PF

[stanford hoops]

Based on records the pacers,clippers,kings,sixer,wizards,rockets,mem,tor,nets all have sucky owners

[stanford hoops]

Based on records the pacers,clippers,kings,sixer,wizards,rockets,mem,tor,nets all have sucky owners

[stanford hoops]

Based on records the pacers,clippers,kings,sixer,wizards,rockets,mem,tor,nets all have sucky owners

[RickyRubio9Participant]

Kevin Love – Great, as of now, looking better than Mayo.
Ricky Rubio – Jury still out.
Johnny Flynn – To me, has the makings of Great 6th Man.
Wes Johnson – Solid 3, 
Corey Brewer – Great Bench Player
Michael Beasley – Legit 2nd Option. 
Darko Milicic – Decent off the bench big.
Sebastian Telfair – Still relatively young, pretty good 2nd string, 3rd string PG

Honestly, their future does look pretty good.. 
It really depends on Ricky Rubio & getting another big man at the Center spot. 
Maybe one more lotto pick & they get their guy?

[RickyRubio9Participant]

Kevin Love – Great, as of now, looking better than Mayo.
Ricky Rubio – Jury still out.
Johnny Flynn – To me, has the makings of Great 6th Man.
Wes Johnson – Solid 3, 
Corey Brewer – Great Bench Player
Michael Beasley – Legit 2nd Option. 
Darko Milicic – Decent off the bench big.
Sebastian Telfair – Still relatively young, pretty good 2nd string, 3rd string PG

Honestly, their future does look pretty good.. 
It really depends on Ricky Rubio & getting another big man at the Center spot. 
Maybe one more lotto pick & they get their guy?

[RickyRubio9Participant]

Kevin Love – Great, as of now, looking better than Mayo.
Ricky Rubio – Jury still out.
Johnny Flynn – To me, has the makings of Great 6th Man.
Wes Johnson – Solid 3, 
Corey Brewer – Great Bench Player
Michael Beasley – Legit 2nd Option. 
Darko Milicic – Decent off the bench big.
Sebastian Telfair – Still relatively young, pretty good 2nd string, 3rd string PG

Honestly, their future does look pretty good.. 
It really depends on Ricky Rubio & getting another big man at the Center spot. 
Maybe one more lotto pick & they get their guy?

[stanford hoops]

How about Wesley Johnson and cash for Chris kahman or Wesley for Deandre Jordan?  I wouldn’t make the trade if I’m the clippers because I think aminu is there future three but I think wesly fits now because he’s a pretty good shooter with range

[stanford hoops]

How about Wesley Johnson and cash for Chris kahman or Wesley for Deandre Jordan?  I wouldn’t make the trade if I’m the clippers because I think aminu is there future three but I think wesly fits now because he’s a pretty good shooter with range

[stanford hoops]

How about Wesley Johnson and cash for Chris kahman or Wesley for Deandre Jordan?  I wouldn’t make the trade if I’m the clippers because I think aminu is there future three but I think wesly fits now because he’s a pretty good shooter with range

[BasterdInABasketParticipant]

Obviously Beasy is a steal and Wes is looking pretty good. He can do to do many things on the court not contribute but think of the team they could have right now if you look back at the last two drafts. Flynn does not fit that system and is not a starting pg. They should have had curry or jennings (most likely curry) but they screwed themselves taking rubio. Then get Cousins at 4 last year, not that Wes is a terrible pick but you cant compete with teams with Love and Darko down low. They woulda  been building around MBeasy-Love-Cuz at 3-4-5 and Curry or Jennings at guard.

But get Rubio in the next 2 years and get Sullinger or Kanter this year and maybe they have a legit team..Why am I not a gm?…its so simple..

[BasterdInABasketParticipant]

Obviously Beasy is a steal and Wes is looking pretty good. He can do to do many things on the court not contribute but think of the team they could have right now if you look back at the last two drafts. Flynn does not fit that system and is not a starting pg. They should have had curry or jennings (most likely curry) but they screwed themselves taking rubio. Then get Cousins at 4 last year, not that Wes is a terrible pick but you cant compete with teams with Love and Darko down low. They woulda  been building around MBeasy-Love-Cuz at 3-4-5 and Curry or Jennings at guard.

But get Rubio in the next 2 years and get Sullinger or Kanter this year and maybe they have a legit team..Why am I not a gm?…its so simple..

[BasterdInABasketParticipant]

Obviously Beasy is a steal and Wes is looking pretty good. He can do to do many things on the court not contribute but think of the team they could have right now if you look back at the last two drafts. Flynn does not fit that system and is not a starting pg. They should have had curry or jennings (most likely curry) but they screwed themselves taking rubio. Then get Cousins at 4 last year, not that Wes is a terrible pick but you cant compete with teams with Love and Darko down low. They woulda  been building around MBeasy-Love-Cuz at 3-4-5 and Curry or Jennings at guard.

But get Rubio in the next 2 years and get Sullinger or Kanter this year and maybe they have a legit team..Why am I not a gm?…its so simple..

[NYCrealdealParticipant]

knicks too

[NYCrealdealParticipant]

knicks too

[NYCrealdealParticipant]

knicks too

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

ShekiruBoom: Wade, LeBron, and Bosh were willing to take less money to make sure Mike Miller and Udonis Haslem could be there. They committed to Miami without financial terms being finalized, and there was a concerted effort on the part of those three to make sure that they would have those two with them. Michael Beasley wasn’t going help Miami. Wade didn’t call up LeBron and Bosh to get them to agree to take less money because of Michael Beasley. He did that for Udonis and Miller because he knew they needed help. Beasley needs the ball to be relevant. He doesn’t do very much else all that well, so what good would he have been on the Heat? Wade, Riley, LeBron, Spo, and Bosh all knew that. This revisionist history is ridiculous. Beasley’s "emergence" is because he has all the shots and touches he wants on a bad team. It does not take place in Miami. It was a nice move that Minnesota took advantage of the situation of their cap space to get a talented scorer, but they aren’t going to compete for titles because of it. Miami is a lock to compete for the next five championships.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

ShekiruBoom: Wade, LeBron, and Bosh were willing to take less money to make sure Mike Miller and Udonis Haslem could be there. They committed to Miami without financial terms being finalized, and there was a concerted effort on the part of those three to make sure that they would have those two with them. Michael Beasley wasn’t going help Miami. Wade didn’t call up LeBron and Bosh to get them to agree to take less money because of Michael Beasley. He did that for Udonis and Miller because he knew they needed help. Beasley needs the ball to be relevant. He doesn’t do very much else all that well, so what good would he have been on the Heat? Wade, Riley, LeBron, Spo, and Bosh all knew that. This revisionist history is ridiculous. Beasley’s "emergence" is because he has all the shots and touches he wants on a bad team. It does not take place in Miami. It was a nice move that Minnesota took advantage of the situation of their cap space to get a talented scorer, but they aren’t going to compete for titles because of it. Miami is a lock to compete for the next five championships.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

ShekiruBoom: Wade, LeBron, and Bosh were willing to take less money to make sure Mike Miller and Udonis Haslem could be there. They committed to Miami without financial terms being finalized, and there was a concerted effort on the part of those three to make sure that they would have those two with them. Michael Beasley wasn’t going help Miami. Wade didn’t call up LeBron and Bosh to get them to agree to take less money because of Michael Beasley. He did that for Udonis and Miller because he knew they needed help. Beasley needs the ball to be relevant. He doesn’t do very much else all that well, so what good would he have been on the Heat? Wade, Riley, LeBron, Spo, and Bosh all knew that. This revisionist history is ridiculous. Beasley’s "emergence" is because he has all the shots and touches he wants on a bad team. It does not take place in Miami. It was a nice move that Minnesota took advantage of the situation of their cap space to get a talented scorer, but they aren’t going to compete for titles because of it. Miami is a lock to compete for the next five championships.

[nbaretroParticipant]

There not my favorite team nor do I think they are playoff team a year from now. The title mislead you and I aplogize

 

I just think the fact they have some nice pieces in Wes Johnson, Kevin Love, Micheal Beasley and Jonny Flynn ( last season put up 14-5 and should be better this season if healthy because the 3 I mention before)

 

[nbaretroParticipant]

There not my favorite team nor do I think they are playoff team a year from now. The title mislead you and I aplogize

 

I just think the fact they have some nice pieces in Wes Johnson, Kevin Love, Micheal Beasley and Jonny Flynn ( last season put up 14-5 and should be better this season if healthy because the 3 I mention before)

 

[nbaretroParticipant]

There not my favorite team nor do I think they are playoff team a year from now. The title mislead you and I aplogize

 

I just think the fact they have some nice pieces in Wes Johnson, Kevin Love, Micheal Beasley and Jonny Flynn ( last season put up 14-5 and should be better this season if healthy because the 3 I mention before)

 

[SubZeroParticipant]

I don’t think they should trade away the 4th overall pick so easily, especially when he’s been playing like he has. I think it would be better to wait til the offseason to sign Oden or make a trade for a defensive big

[SubZeroParticipant]

I don’t think they should trade away the 4th overall pick so easily, especially when he’s been playing like he has. I think it would be better to wait til the offseason to sign Oden or make a trade for a defensive big

[SubZeroParticipant]

I don’t think they should trade away the 4th overall pick so easily, especially when he’s been playing like he has. I think it would be better to wait til the offseason to sign Oden or make a trade for a defensive big

[mj23mj23besteverParticipant]

imo kahn could get very good value still out of rubio even though its pretty clear hell never play for them as good as wes is looking still been better off taking big demarcus that front court of cousin at c love at 4 and beaser at the 3 would be a very nice front line

[mj23mj23besteverParticipant]

imo kahn could get very good value still out of rubio even though its pretty clear hell never play for them as good as wes is looking still been better off taking big demarcus that front court of cousin at c love at 4 and beaser at the 3 would be a very nice front line

[mj23mj23besteverParticipant]

imo kahn could get very good value still out of rubio even though its pretty clear hell never play for them as good as wes is looking still been better off taking big demarcus that front court of cousin at c love at 4 and beaser at the 3 would be a very nice front line

[NbanflguyParticipant]

BTPH, what do you have against the timberwolves? The poster said the trade is looking like a steal and the timberwolves actually have some young talent and you go on a rant how the timberwolves are 4-9 and the fans want a parade. The facts are the trade was Beasley for a 2nd round pick. Beasley is a good young player with potential and will no doubt be better than the 2nd rounder that the heat use. That is a steal. The heat are a much better team after the trade with the big 3, but Beasley for a 2nd rounder is a steal!

[NbanflguyParticipant]

BTPH, what do you have against the timberwolves? The poster said the trade is looking like a steal and the timberwolves actually have some young talent and you go on a rant how the timberwolves are 4-9 and the fans want a parade. The facts are the trade was Beasley for a 2nd round pick. Beasley is a good young player with potential and will no doubt be better than the 2nd rounder that the heat use. That is a steal. The heat are a much better team after the trade with the big 3, but Beasley for a 2nd rounder is a steal!

[NbanflguyParticipant]

BTPH, what do you have against the timberwolves? The poster said the trade is looking like a steal and the timberwolves actually have some young talent and you go on a rant how the timberwolves are 4-9 and the fans want a parade. The facts are the trade was Beasley for a 2nd round pick. Beasley is a good young player with potential and will no doubt be better than the 2nd rounder that the heat use. That is a steal. The heat are a much better team after the trade with the big 3, but Beasley for a 2nd rounder is a steal!

[doubledribblerParticipant]

I’m surprised so many people think their future looks good.  A lot of these guys were high picks and the Twolves don’t have one superstar in the making. Management is still horrible. Didn’t Khan draft at least 3 point guards in the first round his first year? He passed over the best ones to draft a guy that might end up being a really good bench player, one that had told them he wouldn’t play for them and refuses to come over, and the guy (Lawson) that would be starting right now he gave to Denver. Correct me if I am wrong, but Khan drafted and/or traded for like 6 small forwards last draft. The team hastoo many holes up and down the lineup to draft the same players. Kevin Love is going to try to bolt the first chance he gets. The guy wants to win. If your hopes rest on Beasley then you don’t have much to look forward to. Everyone knows he can score. He did that before, it’s just now he has the green light to shoot when he wants. I played with a guy that was very similiar to Beasley. He could torch you for 20 any night, while at the same time his man was usually good for 30 and he always got to guard the worst offensive perimeter player.

The trade was a steal though. Miami was basically trying to give him away because for whatever reason no one wanted Beasley. You would think the Cavs or Raptors would have wanted him in their sign and trades.

 

 

 

[doubledribblerParticipant]

I’m surprised so many people think their future looks good.  A lot of these guys were high picks and the Twolves don’t have one superstar in the making. Management is still horrible. Didn’t Khan draft at least 3 point guards in the first round his first year? He passed over the best ones to draft a guy that might end up being a really good bench player, one that had told them he wouldn’t play for them and refuses to come over, and the guy (Lawson) that would be starting right now he gave to Denver. Correct me if I am wrong, but Khan drafted and/or traded for like 6 small forwards last draft. The team hastoo many holes up and down the lineup to draft the same players. Kevin Love is going to try to bolt the first chance he gets. The guy wants to win. If your hopes rest on Beasley then you don’t have much to look forward to. Everyone knows he can score. He did that before, it’s just now he has the green light to shoot when he wants. I played with a guy that was very similiar to Beasley. He could torch you for 20 any night, while at the same time his man was usually good for 30 and he always got to guard the worst offensive perimeter player.

The trade was a steal though. Miami was basically trying to give him away because for whatever reason no one wanted Beasley. You would think the Cavs or Raptors would have wanted him in their sign and trades.

 

 

 

[doubledribblerParticipant]

I’m surprised so many people think their future looks good.  A lot of these guys were high picks and the Twolves don’t have one superstar in the making. Management is still horrible. Didn’t Khan draft at least 3 point guards in the first round his first year? He passed over the best ones to draft a guy that might end up being a really good bench player, one that had told them he wouldn’t play for them and refuses to come over, and the guy (Lawson) that would be starting right now he gave to Denver. Correct me if I am wrong, but Khan drafted and/or traded for like 6 small forwards last draft. The team hastoo many holes up and down the lineup to draft the same players. Kevin Love is going to try to bolt the first chance he gets. The guy wants to win. If your hopes rest on Beasley then you don’t have much to look forward to. Everyone knows he can score. He did that before, it’s just now he has the green light to shoot when he wants. I played with a guy that was very similiar to Beasley. He could torch you for 20 any night, while at the same time his man was usually good for 30 and he always got to guard the worst offensive perimeter player.

The trade was a steal though. Miami was basically trying to give him away because for whatever reason no one wanted Beasley. You would think the Cavs or Raptors would have wanted him in their sign and trades.

 

 

 

[stanford hoops]

They don’t need a superstar in the making right now. They have two allstars in the making. Both of which are only 21. Beasley scores at the same clip or better then just about everyone in his class and will only get better

Rubio won’t play for them?based on what? Because u don’t like the twolves?  Because rubio,his agent, and the twolves have all said he’s gonna play. On top of all that he won’t be able to play for anyone else because they own his draft rights. Will the twolves be good this year or next year? Nope but they are moving in the right direction and in year three or four is when you will be able to see how good they could be. Some of y’all are so spoiled by the thunder that if a team isn’t much better in year one then they should probably blow the team up.  The same ones saying the clippers have a bright future even though they are worst then the twolves. These guys are young talented, with alot if free agent money and there two best players are 3 years from entering there prime

[stanford hoops]

They don’t need a superstar in the making right now. They have two allstars in the making. Both of which are only 21. Beasley scores at the same clip or better then just about everyone in his class and will only get better

Rubio won’t play for them?based on what? Because u don’t like the twolves?  Because rubio,his agent, and the twolves have all said he’s gonna play. On top of all that he won’t be able to play for anyone else because they own his draft rights. Will the twolves be good this year or next year? Nope but they are moving in the right direction and in year three or four is when you will be able to see how good they could be. Some of y’all are so spoiled by the thunder that if a team isn’t much better in year one then they should probably blow the team up.  The same ones saying the clippers have a bright future even though they are worst then the twolves. These guys are young talented, with alot if free agent money and there two best players are 3 years from entering there prime

[stanford hoops]

They don’t need a superstar in the making right now. They have two allstars in the making. Both of which are only 21. Beasley scores at the same clip or better then just about everyone in his class and will only get better

Rubio won’t play for them?based on what? Because u don’t like the twolves?  Because rubio,his agent, and the twolves have all said he’s gonna play. On top of all that he won’t be able to play for anyone else because they own his draft rights. Will the twolves be good this year or next year? Nope but they are moving in the right direction and in year three or four is when you will be able to see how good they could be. Some of y’all are so spoiled by the thunder that if a team isn’t much better in year one then they should probably blow the team up.  The same ones saying the clippers have a bright future even though they are worst then the twolves. These guys are young talented, with alot if free agent money and there two best players are 3 years from entering there prime

[stanford hoops]

Also before making the comment about beasley scoring 20 and his man scoring 30 go check out and watch the twolves games and see how much his man scores on him. Check and see what he does compared to his season average cuz I have a strong feeling you’re comment has zero proof to back it up.  Prove me wrong 

[stanford hoops]

Also before making the comment about beasley scoring 20 and his man scoring 30 go check out and watch the twolves games and see how much his man scores on him. Check and see what he does compared to his season average cuz I have a strong feeling you’re comment has zero proof to back it up.  Prove me wrong 

[stanford hoops]

Also before making the comment about beasley scoring 20 and his man scoring 30 go check out and watch the twolves games and see how much his man scores on him. Check and see what he does compared to his season average cuz I have a strong feeling you’re comment has zero proof to back it up.  Prove me wrong 

[stanford hoops]

The average for the guts beasley guards is 14ppg by the way. That’s plus 6 in favor of beasley.  Doesn’t quiet look like minus 10 huh

[stanford hoops]

The average for the guts beasley guards is 14ppg by the way. That’s plus 6 in favor of beasley.  Doesn’t quiet look like minus 10 huh

[stanford hoops]

The average for the guts beasley guards is 14ppg by the way. That’s plus 6 in favor of beasley.  Doesn’t quiet look like minus 10 huh

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

"BTPH, what do you have against the timberwolves? The poster said the trade is looking like a steal and the timberwolves actually have some young talent and you go on a rant how the timberwolves are 4-9 and the fans want a parade. The facts are the trade was Beasley for a 2nd round pick. Beasley is a good young player with potential and will no doubt be better than the 2nd rounder that the heat use. That is a steal. The heat are a much better team after the trade with the big 3, but Beasley for a 2nd rounder is a steal!"

What is the definition of a steal? Something for nothing, right? Isn’t the goal of an NBA team to ultimately try to win a championship? Okay, so Minnesota played a part in creating a Miami team that will be better than them for Michael Beasley’s entire stay with the Timberwolves. Miami will win a championship due in part to the moves it made to clear the space necessary to assemble the team it did. Minnesota won’t. So the title "David Kahn… won?" is wrong. The idea that it was a steal is wrong. It isn’t being against the Timberwolves, it is about being for reason and sensible analysis.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

"BTPH, what do you have against the timberwolves? The poster said the trade is looking like a steal and the timberwolves actually have some young talent and you go on a rant how the timberwolves are 4-9 and the fans want a parade. The facts are the trade was Beasley for a 2nd round pick. Beasley is a good young player with potential and will no doubt be better than the 2nd rounder that the heat use. That is a steal. The heat are a much better team after the trade with the big 3, but Beasley for a 2nd rounder is a steal!"

What is the definition of a steal? Something for nothing, right? Isn’t the goal of an NBA team to ultimately try to win a championship? Okay, so Minnesota played a part in creating a Miami team that will be better than them for Michael Beasley’s entire stay with the Timberwolves. Miami will win a championship due in part to the moves it made to clear the space necessary to assemble the team it did. Minnesota won’t. So the title "David Kahn… won?" is wrong. The idea that it was a steal is wrong. It isn’t being against the Timberwolves, it is about being for reason and sensible analysis.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

"BTPH, what do you have against the timberwolves? The poster said the trade is looking like a steal and the timberwolves actually have some young talent and you go on a rant how the timberwolves are 4-9 and the fans want a parade. The facts are the trade was Beasley for a 2nd round pick. Beasley is a good young player with potential and will no doubt be better than the 2nd rounder that the heat use. That is a steal. The heat are a much better team after the trade with the big 3, but Beasley for a 2nd rounder is a steal!"

What is the definition of a steal? Something for nothing, right? Isn’t the goal of an NBA team to ultimately try to win a championship? Okay, so Minnesota played a part in creating a Miami team that will be better than them for Michael Beasley’s entire stay with the Timberwolves. Miami will win a championship due in part to the moves it made to clear the space necessary to assemble the team it did. Minnesota won’t. So the title "David Kahn… won?" is wrong. The idea that it was a steal is wrong. It isn’t being against the Timberwolves, it is about being for reason and sensible analysis.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Woohoo!!! The Timberwolves are 4-9!  Wow, this guys are really on the up and up! I’m so happy for them…

Not to mention that they beat playoff teams such as the Clippers, Kings, and the Knicks by an average of…six.. count em, 6.. recount them.. 6 points per game!

Nevermind that teams like the Magic, Heat, Lakers, Rockets, and Hawks (who all are looking to make the playoffs) demolished them by an average of 22ppg en route to going (0-6) against them.

 

Let’s not forget that Michael Beasley is playing out of his mind!  Right?! Yeah, he’s shooting 5 more shots a game to get him that extra 7 points, not only that, he’s only averaging about 4 turnovers a game!

 

I give Kevin Love props, that man is doing work.. but let’s face it, this team is one of the worst defensive teams in the league and they aren’t going to get any better on that.  Love is too small to guard centers.  Beasley is either too slow for SFs or too small for PFs and Cs.  This team simply can’t shoot 3’s to save their lives, they make about 5 3pters a game.

 

Let’s wait until Jonny Flynn gets back, because he’s really going to put this team over the hump to contend for a championship.

 

This offseason, they’ll have about 17mil in cap room, guess what? Oden, Thornton, Young, Redd, Nene, Randolph, Smith, Crawford all highlight the 2011 Free Agent Extravaganza!  Wow, the Timberwolves better not spoil themselves too much with so much talent.  What about 2012?  Oh, you mean when Beasley’s and Love’s contracts expires?  Well, so much for their 2012 summer.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Woohoo!!! The Timberwolves are 4-9!  Wow, this guys are really on the up and up! I’m so happy for them…

Not to mention that they beat playoff teams such as the Clippers, Kings, and the Knicks by an average of…six.. count em, 6.. recount them.. 6 points per game!

Nevermind that teams like the Magic, Heat, Lakers, Rockets, and Hawks (who all are looking to make the playoffs) demolished them by an average of 22ppg en route to going (0-6) against them.

 

Let’s not forget that Michael Beasley is playing out of his mind!  Right?! Yeah, he’s shooting 5 more shots a game to get him that extra 7 points, not only that, he’s only averaging about 4 turnovers a game!

 

I give Kevin Love props, that man is doing work.. but let’s face it, this team is one of the worst defensive teams in the league and they aren’t going to get any better on that.  Love is too small to guard centers.  Beasley is either too slow for SFs or too small for PFs and Cs.  This team simply can’t shoot 3’s to save their lives, they make about 5 3pters a game.

 

Let’s wait until Jonny Flynn gets back, because he’s really going to put this team over the hump to contend for a championship.

 

This offseason, they’ll have about 17mil in cap room, guess what? Oden, Thornton, Young, Redd, Nene, Randolph, Smith, Crawford all highlight the 2011 Free Agent Extravaganza!  Wow, the Timberwolves better not spoil themselves too much with so much talent.  What about 2012?  Oh, you mean when Beasley’s and Love’s contracts expires?  Well, so much for their 2012 summer.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Woohoo!!! The Timberwolves are 4-9!  Wow, this guys are really on the up and up! I’m so happy for them…

Not to mention that they beat playoff teams such as the Clippers, Kings, and the Knicks by an average of…six.. count em, 6.. recount them.. 6 points per game!

Nevermind that teams like the Magic, Heat, Lakers, Rockets, and Hawks (who all are looking to make the playoffs) demolished them by an average of 22ppg en route to going (0-6) against them.

 

Let’s not forget that Michael Beasley is playing out of his mind!  Right?! Yeah, he’s shooting 5 more shots a game to get him that extra 7 points, not only that, he’s only averaging about 4 turnovers a game!

 

I give Kevin Love props, that man is doing work.. but let’s face it, this team is one of the worst defensive teams in the league and they aren’t going to get any better on that.  Love is too small to guard centers.  Beasley is either too slow for SFs or too small for PFs and Cs.  This team simply can’t shoot 3’s to save their lives, they make about 5 3pters a game.

 

Let’s wait until Jonny Flynn gets back, because he’s really going to put this team over the hump to contend for a championship.

 

This offseason, they’ll have about 17mil in cap room, guess what? Oden, Thornton, Young, Redd, Nene, Randolph, Smith, Crawford all highlight the 2011 Free Agent Extravaganza!  Wow, the Timberwolves better not spoil themselves too much with so much talent.  What about 2012?  Oh, you mean when Beasley’s and Love’s contracts expires?  Well, so much for their 2012 summer.

[stanford hoops]

I agree to a extent. It’s a steal for the twolves because of what they got for so little. For Miami it wasn’t a big lost because they wanted/need a off the bench or starting three point shooter. They didn’t need what beasley brings to the table because they picked up lebron for that. Kahn did a good job for only giving up a 2nd round pick.

The goal is to win a title but it doesn’t happen over night and you’re season isn’t lost if you end the season without a title. If so then they should just cut a bunch of teams and have a 4 team playoff because only 4 teams really have much of a chance to win it

[stanford hoops]

I agree to a extent. It’s a steal for the twolves because of what they got for so little. For Miami it wasn’t a big lost because they wanted/need a off the bench or starting three point shooter. They didn’t need what beasley brings to the table because they picked up lebron for that. Kahn did a good job for only giving up a 2nd round pick.

The goal is to win a title but it doesn’t happen over night and you’re season isn’t lost if you end the season without a title. If so then they should just cut a bunch of teams and have a 4 team playoff because only 4 teams really have much of a chance to win it

[stanford hoops]

I agree to a extent. It’s a steal for the twolves because of what they got for so little. For Miami it wasn’t a big lost because they wanted/need a off the bench or starting three point shooter. They didn’t need what beasley brings to the table because they picked up lebron for that. Kahn did a good job for only giving up a 2nd round pick.

The goal is to win a title but it doesn’t happen over night and you’re season isn’t lost if you end the season without a title. If so then they should just cut a bunch of teams and have a 4 team playoff because only 4 teams really have much of a chance to win it

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

stanford hoops, so Minnesota getting Beasley is going to make them a championship contender in the future?  Can Minnesota pull together a team that is going to be better than the Heat?  Minnesota just got used.  I mean, really, they got used.  Minny will never build a championship team, and in 5 years, if (they wont) they ever build a playoff team, IF (no really, they wont) they even make it to the Finals, they’ll have to compete with the team they helped create, the Miami Heat.

 

Nobody wanted Beasley, not because he wasn’t a good player, but because nobody wanted the Heat to be able to get Haslem and Mike Miller.  Nobody wanted to feed Goliath.. Well, it only takes 1 stupid owner to feed the beast, now the league has to deal with them.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

stanford hoops, so Minnesota getting Beasley is going to make them a championship contender in the future?  Can Minnesota pull together a team that is going to be better than the Heat?  Minnesota just got used.  I mean, really, they got used.  Minny will never build a championship team, and in 5 years, if (they wont) they ever build a playoff team, IF (no really, they wont) they even make it to the Finals, they’ll have to compete with the team they helped create, the Miami Heat.

 

Nobody wanted Beasley, not because he wasn’t a good player, but because nobody wanted the Heat to be able to get Haslem and Mike Miller.  Nobody wanted to feed Goliath.. Well, it only takes 1 stupid owner to feed the beast, now the league has to deal with them.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

stanford hoops, so Minnesota getting Beasley is going to make them a championship contender in the future?  Can Minnesota pull together a team that is going to be better than the Heat?  Minnesota just got used.  I mean, really, they got used.  Minny will never build a championship team, and in 5 years, if (they wont) they ever build a playoff team, IF (no really, they wont) they even make it to the Finals, they’ll have to compete with the team they helped create, the Miami Heat.

 

Nobody wanted Beasley, not because he wasn’t a good player, but because nobody wanted the Heat to be able to get Haslem and Mike Miller.  Nobody wanted to feed Goliath.. Well, it only takes 1 stupid owner to feed the beast, now the league has to deal with them.

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

BTPH- hows this for reasonable analysis? Somebody was going to give up something for Beasley, or if they really needed to get rid of him, they wouldve cut him. So we got him for peanuts…to just about everybody else on earth, that is a steal. Put your bias down for a second and use your brain. And if your not biased your doing an absolutely terrible job of showing it.

The Heat made those signings with Beasley still on the roster…its foolish to think that the Heat wouldnt have been able to make it work because Michael Beasley was taking up to much cap space to sign their beloved big 3. Again…think man.

Vote4Darko- good job with not showing biasness as well. Did you by chance see that they lost to the Lakers by like 5 points, the Hawks by 6 points and the Bobcats by like 5 points (a game that they had in the bag)? Doesnt do well for your argument.

Beasley has been doing well, if you didnt know, he’s playing more SF this year, which is different then playing the PF, theres alot more ball handling…be reasonable, is it that hard?

Kevin Love has been playing well, is he a good defender? No. Nobody said he is, but he can be a solid role player on a good team. So stop demeaning every single thing that people say.

I dont think anybody expects them to contend for a championship this year, nor does anybody really expect them to make any big splash FA signings, so maybe you should stop arguing for the sake of being argumentative…dont be a tool.

Bottom Line is that the TWolves arent a contending team, but they are starting to show something that people can at least get excited about. Why do people need to constantly shoot that down? Thats pathetic to me.

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

BTPH- hows this for reasonable analysis? Somebody was going to give up something for Beasley, or if they really needed to get rid of him, they wouldve cut him. So we got him for peanuts…to just about everybody else on earth, that is a steal. Put your bias down for a second and use your brain. And if your not biased your doing an absolutely terrible job of showing it.

The Heat made those signings with Beasley still on the roster…its foolish to think that the Heat wouldnt have been able to make it work because Michael Beasley was taking up to much cap space to sign their beloved big 3. Again…think man.

Vote4Darko- good job with not showing biasness as well. Did you by chance see that they lost to the Lakers by like 5 points, the Hawks by 6 points and the Bobcats by like 5 points (a game that they had in the bag)? Doesnt do well for your argument.

Beasley has been doing well, if you didnt know, he’s playing more SF this year, which is different then playing the PF, theres alot more ball handling…be reasonable, is it that hard?

Kevin Love has been playing well, is he a good defender? No. Nobody said he is, but he can be a solid role player on a good team. So stop demeaning every single thing that people say.

I dont think anybody expects them to contend for a championship this year, nor does anybody really expect them to make any big splash FA signings, so maybe you should stop arguing for the sake of being argumentative…dont be a tool.

Bottom Line is that the TWolves arent a contending team, but they are starting to show something that people can at least get excited about. Why do people need to constantly shoot that down? Thats pathetic to me.

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

BTPH- hows this for reasonable analysis? Somebody was going to give up something for Beasley, or if they really needed to get rid of him, they wouldve cut him. So we got him for peanuts…to just about everybody else on earth, that is a steal. Put your bias down for a second and use your brain. And if your not biased your doing an absolutely terrible job of showing it.

The Heat made those signings with Beasley still on the roster…its foolish to think that the Heat wouldnt have been able to make it work because Michael Beasley was taking up to much cap space to sign their beloved big 3. Again…think man.

Vote4Darko- good job with not showing biasness as well. Did you by chance see that they lost to the Lakers by like 5 points, the Hawks by 6 points and the Bobcats by like 5 points (a game that they had in the bag)? Doesnt do well for your argument.

Beasley has been doing well, if you didnt know, he’s playing more SF this year, which is different then playing the PF, theres alot more ball handling…be reasonable, is it that hard?

Kevin Love has been playing well, is he a good defender? No. Nobody said he is, but he can be a solid role player on a good team. So stop demeaning every single thing that people say.

I dont think anybody expects them to contend for a championship this year, nor does anybody really expect them to make any big splash FA signings, so maybe you should stop arguing for the sake of being argumentative…dont be a tool.

Bottom Line is that the TWolves arent a contending team, but they are starting to show something that people can at least get excited about. Why do people need to constantly shoot that down? Thats pathetic to me.

 

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

They actually traded Beasley after they had Bosh and Wade.

If Beasley would have been cut, his salary would have still counted against the Heat.

 

The reason nobody wanted Beasley, was not because his lack of talent, it’s because nobody wanted to help Miami.  As I said, it only takes one idiot owner to feed the monster, they fed the Heat.. Helping them get Udonis Haslem and Mike Miller.  2 player that could easily be starters on many rosters, and there they are in Miami, Haslem as a backup and when Miller gets back, he’ll be a backup aswell.

 

In the end, it took one stupid owner to make the Heat better.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

They actually traded Beasley after they had Bosh and Wade.

If Beasley would have been cut, his salary would have still counted against the Heat.

 

The reason nobody wanted Beasley, was not because his lack of talent, it’s because nobody wanted to help Miami.  As I said, it only takes one idiot owner to feed the monster, they fed the Heat.. Helping them get Udonis Haslem and Mike Miller.  2 player that could easily be starters on many rosters, and there they are in Miami, Haslem as a backup and when Miller gets back, he’ll be a backup aswell.

 

In the end, it took one stupid owner to make the Heat better.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

They actually traded Beasley after they had Bosh and Wade.

If Beasley would have been cut, his salary would have still counted against the Heat.

 

The reason nobody wanted Beasley, was not because his lack of talent, it’s because nobody wanted to help Miami.  As I said, it only takes one idiot owner to feed the monster, they fed the Heat.. Helping them get Udonis Haslem and Mike Miller.  2 player that could easily be starters on many rosters, and there they are in Miami, Haslem as a backup and when Miller gets back, he’ll be a backup aswell.

 

In the end, it took one stupid owner to make the Heat better.

[stanford hoops]

We should just start the playoffs now then huh. All teams with four wins or less should stop playing because they won’t win a title or get better.  No one can get better on defense after two games

Beasley is giving up a blistering 14ppg to guys he’s guarding. So I’m guessing alot of allstars are good awful defenders because suprisingly they are giving up more points while letting here guy shoot a better percentage 

Pacers
Sixers
Rockets
Clippers
Kings
Twolves
Knicks
Nets
Wizards

Need to all stop
Playing now because they are not gonna get better.  It’s impossible 

No wins should count if you havnt beat a playoff team. Never mind that when picking for the playoffs you don’t get penialized for beating the clippers/kings/wizards

Let’s use this with other sports as well. Boise st should not ve ranked 4 because they didn’t beat the top teams in the nation. 

Eric gordan isn’t as good as we think because the clippers still lose so he’s a loser

Blake griffin also isn’t that good for the same reasons as gordan

Lebron is worst this year. The heat are 6-4 so let’s block them from making the playoffs

Lakers can’t be that good because of there cupcake schedule

Erase kobe’s 81 points. Hell he did it against the sorry raptors

Erase loves 31&31 since it was against the knicks

Anytime you score,rebound,block,get assist, or steals against a bottom team you’re stats shouldn’t count

Tyreke Evans 
Eric gordan
Blake giffin
Holiday
Wall
Beasley
Love
Hibbert
Granger
Barniani
Cousins
Brook
Amare
Devin Harris
McGee

Are all overrated and there stats don’t mean much because all there teams aren’t in the playoff race right now and according to some peoples logic, they can’t,won’t get better. It’s impossible

[stanford hoops]

We should just start the playoffs now then huh. All teams with four wins or less should stop playing because they won’t win a title or get better.  No one can get better on defense after two games

Beasley is giving up a blistering 14ppg to guys he’s guarding. So I’m guessing alot of allstars are good awful defenders because suprisingly they are giving up more points while letting here guy shoot a better percentage 

Pacers
Sixers
Rockets
Clippers
Kings
Twolves
Knicks
Nets
Wizards

Need to all stop
Playing now because they are not gonna get better.  It’s impossible 

No wins should count if you havnt beat a playoff team. Never mind that when picking for the playoffs you don’t get penialized for beating the clippers/kings/wizards

Let’s use this with other sports as well. Boise st should not ve ranked 4 because they didn’t beat the top teams in the nation. 

Eric gordan isn’t as good as we think because the clippers still lose so he’s a loser

Blake griffin also isn’t that good for the same reasons as gordan

Lebron is worst this year. The heat are 6-4 so let’s block them from making the playoffs

Lakers can’t be that good because of there cupcake schedule

Erase kobe’s 81 points. Hell he did it against the sorry raptors

Erase loves 31&31 since it was against the knicks

Anytime you score,rebound,block,get assist, or steals against a bottom team you’re stats shouldn’t count

Tyreke Evans 
Eric gordan
Blake giffin
Holiday
Wall
Beasley
Love
Hibbert
Granger
Barniani
Cousins
Brook
Amare
Devin Harris
McGee

Are all overrated and there stats don’t mean much because all there teams aren’t in the playoff race right now and according to some peoples logic, they can’t,won’t get better. It’s impossible

[stanford hoops]

We should just start the playoffs now then huh. All teams with four wins or less should stop playing because they won’t win a title or get better.  No one can get better on defense after two games

Beasley is giving up a blistering 14ppg to guys he’s guarding. So I’m guessing alot of allstars are good awful defenders because suprisingly they are giving up more points while letting here guy shoot a better percentage 

Pacers
Sixers
Rockets
Clippers
Kings
Twolves
Knicks
Nets
Wizards

Need to all stop
Playing now because they are not gonna get better.  It’s impossible 

No wins should count if you havnt beat a playoff team. Never mind that when picking for the playoffs you don’t get penialized for beating the clippers/kings/wizards

Let’s use this with other sports as well. Boise st should not ve ranked 4 because they didn’t beat the top teams in the nation. 

Eric gordan isn’t as good as we think because the clippers still lose so he’s a loser

Blake griffin also isn’t that good for the same reasons as gordan

Lebron is worst this year. The heat are 6-4 so let’s block them from making the playoffs

Lakers can’t be that good because of there cupcake schedule

Erase kobe’s 81 points. Hell he did it against the sorry raptors

Erase loves 31&31 since it was against the knicks

Anytime you score,rebound,block,get assist, or steals against a bottom team you’re stats shouldn’t count

Tyreke Evans 
Eric gordan
Blake giffin
Holiday
Wall
Beasley
Love
Hibbert
Granger
Barniani
Cousins
Brook
Amare
Devin Harris
McGee

Are all overrated and there stats don’t mean much because all there teams aren’t in the playoff race right now and according to some peoples logic, they can’t,won’t get better. It’s impossible

[stanford hoops]

Yeah it makes sense to argue about if a team will be a title team in 5 years??  How dumb is that. No one knows what trades might happen,injuries, free agent signings. And how many teams in NBA history have kept the exact same players for 5,4 years?  

According to you’re logic every team except

Lakers
Heat
Orlando
Boston 

Should all trade there players because no one else is gonna win a title out side of those teams for the next 5,4 years

No one said the twolves will win a title but according to you’re logic if you won’t win it in the next couple if years then what’s the point. Why not every team other then the ones ive mentioned trade there players

Durant will not win this year or next or next or next. They won’t beat lakers,Orlando,Miami. So why not trade durant,Westbrook 

Kings need to get rid of tyreke Evans and cousins right?

I’d be more then happy for teams to think like you that way my lakers can continue to win since all these teams will continue to have a roster turnover and never develop players

[stanford hoops]

Yeah it makes sense to argue about if a team will be a title team in 5 years??  How dumb is that. No one knows what trades might happen,injuries, free agent signings. And how many teams in NBA history have kept the exact same players for 5,4 years?  

According to you’re logic every team except

Lakers
Heat
Orlando
Boston 

Should all trade there players because no one else is gonna win a title out side of those teams for the next 5,4 years

No one said the twolves will win a title but according to you’re logic if you won’t win it in the next couple if years then what’s the point. Why not every team other then the ones ive mentioned trade there players

Durant will not win this year or next or next or next. They won’t beat lakers,Orlando,Miami. So why not trade durant,Westbrook 

Kings need to get rid of tyreke Evans and cousins right?

I’d be more then happy for teams to think like you that way my lakers can continue to win since all these teams will continue to have a roster turnover and never develop players

[stanford hoops]

Yeah it makes sense to argue about if a team will be a title team in 5 years??  How dumb is that. No one knows what trades might happen,injuries, free agent signings. And how many teams in NBA history have kept the exact same players for 5,4 years?  

According to you’re logic every team except

Lakers
Heat
Orlando
Boston 

Should all trade there players because no one else is gonna win a title out side of those teams for the next 5,4 years

No one said the twolves will win a title but according to you’re logic if you won’t win it in the next couple if years then what’s the point. Why not every team other then the ones ive mentioned trade there players

Durant will not win this year or next or next or next. They won’t beat lakers,Orlando,Miami. So why not trade durant,Westbrook 

Kings need to get rid of tyreke Evans and cousins right?

I’d be more then happy for teams to think like you that way my lakers can continue to win since all these teams will continue to have a roster turnover and never develop players

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Stanford hoops, your argument makes no sense whatsoever.  I never said Beasley wasn’t good.  I am saying people are overreacting. He’s not an All-Star as you said he was.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Stanford hoops, your argument makes no sense whatsoever.  I never said Beasley wasn’t good.  I am saying people are overreacting. He’s not an All-Star as you said he was.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Stanford hoops, your argument makes no sense whatsoever.  I never said Beasley wasn’t good.  I am saying people are overreacting. He’s not an All-Star as you said he was.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Pacers – Hibbert, George, Granger (All Star Potential)
Sixers – Iguodala, Holiday, Turner (All Star Potential)
Rockets – Brooks, Martin, Ming, Scola (All-Star Potential)
Clippers – Gordan (All Star Potential ) Griffin (Superstar Potential)
Kings – Thompson, Landry, Cousins (All Star Potential) Tyreke Evans (Superstar Potential)
Twolves – Love (All Star Potential)
Knicks – Stoudemire (Superstar Potential)
Nets – Harris, Favors, Lopez (All Star Potential)
Wizards – Arenas, McGee (All Star Potential) Wall (Superstar Potential)

 

You see whats wrong here?  The TWolves only have 1 player with all star potential and zero players with superstar potential.  This is why Minny fans need to quit being so happy over nothing.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Pacers – Hibbert, George, Granger (All Star Potential)
Sixers – Iguodala, Holiday, Turner (All Star Potential)
Rockets – Brooks, Martin, Ming, Scola (All-Star Potential)
Clippers – Gordan (All Star Potential ) Griffin (Superstar Potential)
Kings – Thompson, Landry, Cousins (All Star Potential) Tyreke Evans (Superstar Potential)
Twolves – Love (All Star Potential)
Knicks – Stoudemire (Superstar Potential)
Nets – Harris, Favors, Lopez (All Star Potential)
Wizards – Arenas, McGee (All Star Potential) Wall (Superstar Potential)

 

You see whats wrong here?  The TWolves only have 1 player with all star potential and zero players with superstar potential.  This is why Minny fans need to quit being so happy over nothing.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Pacers – Hibbert, George, Granger (All Star Potential)
Sixers – Iguodala, Holiday, Turner (All Star Potential)
Rockets – Brooks, Martin, Ming, Scola (All-Star Potential)
Clippers – Gordan (All Star Potential ) Griffin (Superstar Potential)
Kings – Thompson, Landry, Cousins (All Star Potential) Tyreke Evans (Superstar Potential)
Twolves – Love (All Star Potential)
Knicks – Stoudemire (Superstar Potential)
Nets – Harris, Favors, Lopez (All Star Potential)
Wizards – Arenas, McGee (All Star Potential) Wall (Superstar Potential)

 

You see whats wrong here?  The TWolves only have 1 player with all star potential and zero players with superstar potential.  This is why Minny fans need to quit being so happy over nothing.

[HaleParticipant]

Why the hell would you change your name to Vote4Darko to bash the Timberwolves? That makes no sense to me. Please explain.

[HaleParticipant]

Why the hell would you change your name to Vote4Darko to bash the Timberwolves? That makes no sense to me. Please explain.

[HaleParticipant]

Why the hell would you change your name to Vote4Darko to bash the Timberwolves? That makes no sense to me. Please explain.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

LMFAO!! I never thought of that

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

LMFAO!! I never thought of that

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

LMFAO!! I never thought of that

[HaleParticipant]

I don’t get why you would wanna do that, but hey, its your choice.

[HaleParticipant]

I don’t get why you would wanna do that, but hey, its your choice.

[HaleParticipant]

I don’t get why you would wanna do that, but hey, its your choice.

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Why is your name Vote4Darko when you clearly hate the wolves?

And who are you to decide who has all star potential? Javale McGee has more all star potential then Beasley?

And Timberwolves fans are so happy because for the first time in years we actually have a fun team to watch and are not a complete joke anymore. Sorry for being happy and supporting our team

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Why is your name Vote4Darko when you clearly hate the wolves?

And who are you to decide who has all star potential? Javale McGee has more all star potential then Beasley?

And Timberwolves fans are so happy because for the first time in years we actually have a fun team to watch and are not a complete joke anymore. Sorry for being happy and supporting our team

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Why is your name Vote4Darko when you clearly hate the wolves?

And who are you to decide who has all star potential? Javale McGee has more all star potential then Beasley?

And Timberwolves fans are so happy because for the first time in years we actually have a fun team to watch and are not a complete joke anymore. Sorry for being happy and supporting our team

[stanford hoops]

Lol. Umm it’s pretty well known beasley has allstar potential. Not only do people who watch think so. But basket minds such as

Phil Jackson
Jeff vangundy
Marv Albert
Cwebb
Kenny smith
Kevin mchale

Have all said beasly has all star potential so twolves have two. On top of that potential is what might be not what will be. Some said mcgee ,Randolph, have allstar potential. Those teams are in the exact same boat as the twolves. Losing there’s no way around it or to sugar coat it for other teams

How often have the clippers had a player with so called allstar potential and how did that work out for them?

[stanford hoops]

Lol. Umm it’s pretty well known beasley has allstar potential. Not only do people who watch think so. But basket minds such as

Phil Jackson
Jeff vangundy
Marv Albert
Cwebb
Kenny smith
Kevin mchale

Have all said beasly has all star potential so twolves have two. On top of that potential is what might be not what will be. Some said mcgee ,Randolph, have allstar potential. Those teams are in the exact same boat as the twolves. Losing there’s no way around it or to sugar coat it for other teams

How often have the clippers had a player with so called allstar potential and how did that work out for them?

[stanford hoops]

Lol. Umm it’s pretty well known beasley has allstar potential. Not only do people who watch think so. But basket minds such as

Phil Jackson
Jeff vangundy
Marv Albert
Cwebb
Kenny smith
Kevin mchale

Have all said beasly has all star potential so twolves have two. On top of that potential is what might be not what will be. Some said mcgee ,Randolph, have allstar potential. Those teams are in the exact same boat as the twolves. Losing there’s no way around it or to sugar coat it for other teams

How often have the clippers had a player with so called allstar potential and how did that work out for them?

[stanford hoops]

No that I really look I have to lmao.  What makes mcgee or turner have more allstar potential then beasley????  Lol is that a joke

Mcgee has no allstar potential

[stanford hoops]

No that I really look I have to lmao.  What makes mcgee or turner have more allstar potential then beasley????  Lol is that a joke

Mcgee has no allstar potential

[stanford hoops]

No that I really look I have to lmao.  What makes mcgee or turner have more allstar potential then beasley????  Lol is that a joke

Mcgee has no allstar potential

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

Vote4Darko is no true member of the Darko Fan Club that’s for sure.

In terms of All Star potential, I would venture to say that Beasley,  Rubio and Love all have All Star potential. I doubt that all 3 will make an all star game in the same year, but I wouldn’t be shocked if all 3 made it at some point during their careers.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

Vote4Darko is no true member of the Darko Fan Club that’s for sure.

In terms of All Star potential, I would venture to say that Beasley,  Rubio and Love all have All Star potential. I doubt that all 3 will make an all star game in the same year, but I wouldn’t be shocked if all 3 made it at some point during their careers.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

Vote4Darko is no true member of the Darko Fan Club that’s for sure.

In terms of All Star potential, I would venture to say that Beasley,  Rubio and Love all have All Star potential. I doubt that all 3 will make an all star game in the same year, but I wouldn’t be shocked if all 3 made it at some point during their careers.

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Yeah and what about Wes Johnson? I am not saying he will be a superstar or HOF, but i think with development he could be capable of a Allstar game or 2 down the road

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Yeah and what about Wes Johnson? I am not saying he will be a superstar or HOF, but i think with development he could be capable of a Allstar game or 2 down the road

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Yeah and what about Wes Johnson? I am not saying he will be a superstar or HOF, but i think with development he could be capable of a Allstar game or 2 down the road

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Rubio is not going to Minny, and Beasley is not going to be an all star, when you have guys that play the same position, and are better.. Melo, Kevin Durant, Rudy Gay, Ron Artest, Andrei Kirilenko, there’s no way Beasley gets in over them.  And if you want to talk about PFs, Nowitzki, Scola, Randolph, West, Duncan, Aldridge, Love, Millsap, Lee, Griffin, and Gasol are all better.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Rubio is not going to Minny, and Beasley is not going to be an all star, when you have guys that play the same position, and are better.. Melo, Kevin Durant, Rudy Gay, Ron Artest, Andrei Kirilenko, there’s no way Beasley gets in over them.  And if you want to talk about PFs, Nowitzki, Scola, Randolph, West, Duncan, Aldridge, Love, Millsap, Lee, Griffin, and Gasol are all better.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Rubio is not going to Minny, and Beasley is not going to be an all star, when you have guys that play the same position, and are better.. Melo, Kevin Durant, Rudy Gay, Ron Artest, Andrei Kirilenko, there’s no way Beasley gets in over them.  And if you want to talk about PFs, Nowitzki, Scola, Randolph, West, Duncan, Aldridge, Love, Millsap, Lee, Griffin, and Gasol are all better.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

He’s not saying all stars right now. The point is that they are all all star type talents.

And yea, I could see Johsnon making an all star game or two. I’m probably just biased against him because I like Martell Webster so much.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

He’s not saying all stars right now. The point is that they are all all star type talents.

And yea, I could see Johsnon making an all star game or two. I’m probably just biased against him because I like Martell Webster so much.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

He’s not saying all stars right now. The point is that they are all all star type talents.

And yea, I could see Johsnon making an all star game or two. I’m probably just biased against him because I like Martell Webster so much.

[HaleParticipant]

What was your previous username?

[HaleParticipant]

What was your previous username?

[HaleParticipant]

What was your previous username?

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Kirilenko is better than Beasley now? My bad didnt know. And you know we are not talking about making a allstar game just this year. Beasley has many years left in his career to develop, he is only 21.

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Kirilenko is better than Beasley now? My bad didnt know. And you know we are not talking about making a allstar game just this year. Beasley has many years left in his career to develop, he is only 21.

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Kirilenko is better than Beasley now? My bad didnt know. And you know we are not talking about making a allstar game just this year. Beasley has many years left in his career to develop, he is only 21.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Yeah, he’s only 21 but his numbers are never going to be better than they currently are. He’s just another Antawn Jamison.  A 19-7 guy for his career,  and a 24-8 guy in his prime.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Yeah, he’s only 21 but his numbers are never going to be better than they currently are. He’s just another Antawn Jamison.  A 19-7 guy for his career,  and a 24-8 guy in his prime.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Yeah, he’s only 21 but his numbers are never going to be better than they currently are. He’s just another Antawn Jamison.  A 19-7 guy for his career,  and a 24-8 guy in his prime.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

How can you say that? You are absolutely POSITIVE, that Beasley won’t improve. Because actually he has improved a lot just this year, which would make me think that he is capable of refining his game even further. Do you really think he’s going to peak at 21? You realize that’s like saying that Evan Turner has peaked.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

How can you say that? You are absolutely POSITIVE, that Beasley won’t improve. Because actually he has improved a lot just this year, which would make me think that he is capable of refining his game even further. Do you really think he’s going to peak at 21? You realize that’s like saying that Evan Turner has peaked.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

How can you say that? You are absolutely POSITIVE, that Beasley won’t improve. Because actually he has improved a lot just this year, which would make me think that he is capable of refining his game even further. Do you really think he’s going to peak at 21? You realize that’s like saying that Evan Turner has peaked.

[NbanflguyParticipant]

and you know this how? And last time i checked those a very good numbers. All star numbers

[NbanflguyParticipant]

and you know this how? And last time i checked those a very good numbers. All star numbers

[NbanflguyParticipant]

and you know this how? And last time i checked those a very good numbers. All star numbers

[stanford hoops]

Ok so how is mcgee a potential all star….Howard lopez bogut hibbert???  Sounds like you only using you’re logic to best fit you’re arguement

How bout holiday with. Rose,rondo?

And rubio not coming is based off of what fact?  I think he’s playing based off of his agent the team and rubio his self.  Youres is based off of what?

Did u really say ak47 and Ron artest????  Lol. I can understand melo or gay ( don’t they let 3 small forwards on the team.  And melo will ve gone soon.  At least btph had some type of reasonable arguement to some extent or reasonable proof. You’re arguements are clearly based on you’re personal dislike/opinion

[stanford hoops]

Ok so how is mcgee a potential all star….Howard lopez bogut hibbert???  Sounds like you only using you’re logic to best fit you’re arguement

How bout holiday with. Rose,rondo?

And rubio not coming is based off of what fact?  I think he’s playing based off of his agent the team and rubio his self.  Youres is based off of what?

Did u really say ak47 and Ron artest????  Lol. I can understand melo or gay ( don’t they let 3 small forwards on the team.  And melo will ve gone soon.  At least btph had some type of reasonable arguement to some extent or reasonable proof. You’re arguements are clearly based on you’re personal dislike/opinion

[stanford hoops]

Ok so how is mcgee a potential all star….Howard lopez bogut hibbert???  Sounds like you only using you’re logic to best fit you’re arguement

How bout holiday with. Rose,rondo?

And rubio not coming is based off of what fact?  I think he’s playing based off of his agent the team and rubio his self.  Youres is based off of what?

Did u really say ak47 and Ron artest????  Lol. I can understand melo or gay ( don’t they let 3 small forwards on the team.  And melo will ve gone soon.  At least btph had some type of reasonable arguement to some extent or reasonable proof. You’re arguements are clearly based on you’re personal dislike/opinion

[stanford hoops]

Lol. His arguements ate becoming more and more silly.   Beasley won’t improve even though he’s only 21 and has improved every year but the older mcgee and turner will. Lmao. It’s not even fair arguing with this guy anymore after saying things like that. I rest my case

[stanford hoops]

Lol. His arguements ate becoming more and more silly.   Beasley won’t improve even though he’s only 21 and has improved every year but the older mcgee and turner will. Lmao. It’s not even fair arguing with this guy anymore after saying things like that. I rest my case

[stanford hoops]

Lol. His arguements ate becoming more and more silly.   Beasley won’t improve even though he’s only 21 and has improved every year but the older mcgee and turner will. Lmao. It’s not even fair arguing with this guy anymore after saying things like that. I rest my case

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

Yea, the Beasley won’t improve one is my favorite. If he had stayed in school, he wouldn’t have even graduted yet.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

Yea, the Beasley won’t improve one is my favorite. If he had stayed in school, he wouldn’t have even graduted yet.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

Yea, the Beasley won’t improve one is my favorite. If he had stayed in school, he wouldn’t have even graduted yet.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Did any of you guys watch Beasley with Miami?  He’s doing the same exact things there and here, thing is.. Dwyane Wade is no longer taking shots and the ball from him.  His game is still the same.  Obviously, you guys haven’t watched him at all, either in college, Miami nor Minnesota.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Did any of you guys watch Beasley with Miami?  He’s doing the same exact things there and here, thing is.. Dwyane Wade is no longer taking shots and the ball from him.  His game is still the same.  Obviously, you guys haven’t watched him at all, either in college, Miami nor Minnesota.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Did any of you guys watch Beasley with Miami?  He’s doing the same exact things there and here, thing is.. Dwyane Wade is no longer taking shots and the ball from him.  His game is still the same.  Obviously, you guys haven’t watched him at all, either in college, Miami nor Minnesota.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

I watched him play lacsidasical defense in Miami and at K-State. With the Wolves he isn’t a great defender, but at least he’s trying. He is shooting better percentages now, he looks more refined and more like a small forward to me. So yes, I feel like I have visibly seen him improve.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

I watched him play lacsidasical defense in Miami and at K-State. With the Wolves he isn’t a great defender, but at least he’s trying. He is shooting better percentages now, he looks more refined and more like a small forward to me. So yes, I feel like I have visibly seen him improve.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

I watched him play lacsidasical defense in Miami and at K-State. With the Wolves he isn’t a great defender, but at least he’s trying. He is shooting better percentages now, he looks more refined and more like a small forward to me. So yes, I feel like I have visibly seen him improve.

[NbanflguyParticipant]

He is bringing intensity of defensen and is also starting to look like a leader. In The clippers game, the clippers went on a run and took the lead, but during a timeout Beasley was giving a very passionate/fired up speech and the wolves responded with a 8-0 run with Beasley getting 5 of those. He looks liek a changed guy and really feels like this is his team

[NbanflguyParticipant]

He is bringing intensity of defensen and is also starting to look like a leader. In The clippers game, the clippers went on a run and took the lead, but during a timeout Beasley was giving a very passionate/fired up speech and the wolves responded with a 8-0 run with Beasley getting 5 of those. He looks liek a changed guy and really feels like this is his team

[NbanflguyParticipant]

He is bringing intensity of defensen and is also starting to look like a leader. In The clippers game, the clippers went on a run and took the lead, but during a timeout Beasley was giving a very passionate/fired up speech and the wolves responded with a 8-0 run with Beasley getting 5 of those. He looks liek a changed guy and really feels like this is his team

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

That’s 1 person who has actually watched him.  First of all, it’s the first 13 games, he’s coming out on fire because of the fact that they wants to show people he isn’t what they said he was.. give him another 20 games before he gets lazy again.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

That’s 1 person who has actually watched him.  First of all, it’s the first 13 games, he’s coming out on fire because of the fact that they wants to show people he isn’t what they said he was.. give him another 20 games before he gets lazy again.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

That’s 1 person who has actually watched him.  First of all, it’s the first 13 games, he’s coming out on fire because of the fact that they wants to show people he isn’t what they said he was.. give him another 20 games before he gets lazy again.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

You seem to be making a lot of unfounded predictions here. Not only are you SURE that he won’t get better, but you also know for sure that he will actually get worse.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

You seem to be making a lot of unfounded predictions here. Not only are you SURE that he won’t get better, but you also know for sure that he will actually get worse.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

You seem to be making a lot of unfounded predictions here. Not only are you SURE that he won’t get better, but you also know for sure that he will actually get worse.

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Guys its obvious Vote4Darko is from the future. He knows what he is talking about

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Guys its obvious Vote4Darko is from the future. He knows what he is talking about

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Guys its obvious Vote4Darko is from the future. He knows what he is talking about

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Exactly nbanflguy.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Exactly nbanflguy.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

Exactly nbanflguy.

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Glad i could clear things up

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Glad i could clear things up

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Glad i could clear things up

[apb540Participant]

Give up. 

[apb540Participant]

Give up. 

[apb540Participant]

Give up. 

[parkerjParticipant]

sorry to feed the troll, but…

"Yeah, he’s only 21 but his numbers are never going to be better than they currently are. He’s just another Antawn Jamison. A 19-7 guy for his career, and a 24-8 guy in his prime."

you do realize Jamison’s been to multiple All Star games? that’s pretty much the definition of All Star potential

[parkerjParticipant]

sorry to feed the troll, but…

"Yeah, he’s only 21 but his numbers are never going to be better than they currently are. He’s just another Antawn Jamison. A 19-7 guy for his career, and a 24-8 guy in his prime."

you do realize Jamison’s been to multiple All Star games? that’s pretty much the definition of All Star potential

[parkerjParticipant]

sorry to feed the troll, but…

"Yeah, he’s only 21 but his numbers are never going to be better than they currently are. He’s just another Antawn Jamison. A 19-7 guy for his career, and a 24-8 guy in his prime."

you do realize Jamison’s been to multiple All Star games? that’s pretty much the definition of All Star potential

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

"you do realize Jamison’s been to multiple All Star games?"

2.

 

And if you were alive or old enough to remember, in 2005 he posted 19-7, which aren’t exactly All-Star numbers.  Chris Bosh was snubbed that year because he posted 19-9 and didn’t make the All-Star team, Antoine Walker averaged 19-9 and also didn’t make it, Chris Webber averaged 20-9 that season and also didn’t make it.

 

In my book, Jamison made 1 all star game.

 

The Verdict.

Although Beasley is a good player, he’s only looking better than he actually is because he is on a bad team.  I’m sure everybody with common sense can agree with that.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

"you do realize Jamison’s been to multiple All Star games?"

2.

 

And if you were alive or old enough to remember, in 2005 he posted 19-7, which aren’t exactly All-Star numbers.  Chris Bosh was snubbed that year because he posted 19-9 and didn’t make the All-Star team, Antoine Walker averaged 19-9 and also didn’t make it, Chris Webber averaged 20-9 that season and also didn’t make it.

 

In my book, Jamison made 1 all star game.

 

The Verdict.

Although Beasley is a good player, he’s only looking better than he actually is because he is on a bad team.  I’m sure everybody with common sense can agree with that.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

"you do realize Jamison’s been to multiple All Star games?"

2.

 

And if you were alive or old enough to remember, in 2005 he posted 19-7, which aren’t exactly All-Star numbers.  Chris Bosh was snubbed that year because he posted 19-9 and didn’t make the All-Star team, Antoine Walker averaged 19-9 and also didn’t make it, Chris Webber averaged 20-9 that season and also didn’t make it.

 

In my book, Jamison made 1 all star game.

 

The Verdict.

Although Beasley is a good player, he’s only looking better than he actually is because he is on a bad team.  I’m sure everybody with common sense can agree with that.

[BasketballGuru]

Look at it this way, he’s not saying Beasley is a bad player.. he is merely saying that he is being overrated at the moment.  Mainly because he is on a bad team.  Not saying Tyreke, Gordon, Curry, Ellis are overrated as well, but nobody is calling them All-Stars when they should probably get the nod over Beasley.

 

This is just like what happened to Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison, they looked very good on bad teams, and once they joined the Cavaliers (a championship level team), they crumbed under the pressure and people realized they weren’t that good.

 

People were so quick to call him a bust and a liability this offseason, and now those same people are calling him an All-Star. 

[BasketballGuru]

Look at it this way, he’s not saying Beasley is a bad player.. he is merely saying that he is being overrated at the moment.  Mainly because he is on a bad team.  Not saying Tyreke, Gordon, Curry, Ellis are overrated as well, but nobody is calling them All-Stars when they should probably get the nod over Beasley.

 

This is just like what happened to Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison, they looked very good on bad teams, and once they joined the Cavaliers (a championship level team), they crumbed under the pressure and people realized they weren’t that good.

 

People were so quick to call him a bust and a liability this offseason, and now those same people are calling him an All-Star. 

[BasketballGuru]

Look at it this way, he’s not saying Beasley is a bad player.. he is merely saying that he is being overrated at the moment.  Mainly because he is on a bad team.  Not saying Tyreke, Gordon, Curry, Ellis are overrated as well, but nobody is calling them All-Stars when they should probably get the nod over Beasley.

 

This is just like what happened to Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison, they looked very good on bad teams, and once they joined the Cavaliers (a championship level team), they crumbed under the pressure and people realized they weren’t that good.

 

People were so quick to call him a bust and a liability this offseason, and now those same people are calling him an All-Star. 

[The OrderParticipant]

The order

[The OrderParticipant]

The order

[The OrderParticipant]

The order

[NbanflguyParticipant]

13. MINNESOTA

 

 

 

Preseason Prediction: 19 wins (15th)
Revised Prediction: 25 wins

 

 

 

 

A fascinating DirecTV team lately because of Kevin Love’s epic rebounding binge (although that 30-30 game was inadvertently a bad career move since there’s no way the T-Wolves will deal him now), Michael Beasley’s uber-rejuvenation (163 points in his past five games) and Darko Milicic’s historically atrocious offensive start (first 11 games: 22.7 MPG, 28.8 percent FG, 50 percent FT, 1.91 TO, 5.0 PPG, although he did rally this week). Minnesota GM David Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahn effectively traded Al Jefferson for Darko, Beasley and two non-lottery picks, so if Beasley redeems his career — that’s a defensible trade. Well, unless you’re one of the other Western teams and you want to wring Kahn’s neck for giving Jefferson to Utah.

 

 

As for Kahn, the 2009 draft fiasco speaks for itself: He whiffed on Stephen Curry twice and totally miscalculated the Ricky Rubio situation. He will never be able to justify giving Darko $20 million under the bizarre logic, "We need a passing center for the triangle," given that the triangle hasn’t succeeded in the NBA without MJ or Kobe being involved … so a 15-win team severely overpaying a four-time castoff based on the logic "We need him for the triangle" would be like TBS badly overpaying a bandleader based on the logic, "We need him for Lopez!" And it still hasn’t explained why the T-Wolves embarked on a multiyear rebuilding plan when they don’t own their own first-round pick in 2012; at some point soon, they’re going to have to suck it up and deal Rubio’s rights for immediate help.

 

 

(Hold on, big "Having that said that" coming … )

 

 

Having said that …

 

 

Stealing Beasley for two second-round picks was a freaking heist. Maybe he couldn’t handle South Beach. Maybe he couldn’t adjust to playing off the ball with Dwyane Wade. Maybe his personal demons were worse than the girl’s from "Drag Me to Hell." But watching him this month has been a revelation — even if he’s a defensive liability, there aren’t 12 NBA players right now who can drop 30 points easier than him.

 

 

Couldn’t someone have trumped two second-round picks? Why would Toronto GM Bryan Colangelo turn down Beasley in the Bosh/Heat sign-and-trade when Miami would have thrown him in for free? Where was Oklahoma City’s Sam Presti, who could have easily trumped Minnesota’s offer and added Beasley (one of Kevin Durant’s best friends) as a much-needed bench scorer? And where the hell were the Clippers???? I know he played terribly last season, and I know about the off-court concerns, but if you watched him in college … I mean … how could the No. 2 pick of the 2008 draft be worthless two years later? That was such a steal that I’m suspending all "Kaaaaaaaaahn!" jokes indefinitely. Great, great trade. And shame on the rest of the league for falling asleep.

[NbanflguyParticipant]

13. MINNESOTA

 

 

 

Preseason Prediction: 19 wins (15th)
Revised Prediction: 25 wins

 

 

 

 

A fascinating DirecTV team lately because of Kevin Love’s epic rebounding binge (although that 30-30 game was inadvertently a bad career move since there’s no way the T-Wolves will deal him now), Michael Beasley’s uber-rejuvenation (163 points in his past five games) and Darko Milicic’s historically atrocious offensive start (first 11 games: 22.7 MPG, 28.8 percent FG, 50 percent FT, 1.91 TO, 5.0 PPG, although he did rally this week). Minnesota GM David Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahn effectively traded Al Jefferson for Darko, Beasley and two non-lottery picks, so if Beasley redeems his career — that’s a defensible trade. Well, unless you’re one of the other Western teams and you want to wring Kahn’s neck for giving Jefferson to Utah.

 

 

As for Kahn, the 2009 draft fiasco speaks for itself: He whiffed on Stephen Curry twice and totally miscalculated the Ricky Rubio situation. He will never be able to justify giving Darko $20 million under the bizarre logic, "We need a passing center for the triangle," given that the triangle hasn’t succeeded in the NBA without MJ or Kobe being involved … so a 15-win team severely overpaying a four-time castoff based on the logic "We need him for the triangle" would be like TBS badly overpaying a bandleader based on the logic, "We need him for Lopez!" And it still hasn’t explained why the T-Wolves embarked on a multiyear rebuilding plan when they don’t own their own first-round pick in 2012; at some point soon, they’re going to have to suck it up and deal Rubio’s rights for immediate help.

 

 

(Hold on, big "Having that said that" coming … )

 

 

Having said that …

 

 

Stealing Beasley for two second-round picks was a freaking heist. Maybe he couldn’t handle South Beach. Maybe he couldn’t adjust to playing off the ball with Dwyane Wade. Maybe his personal demons were worse than the girl’s from "Drag Me to Hell." But watching him this month has been a revelation — even if he’s a defensive liability, there aren’t 12 NBA players right now who can drop 30 points easier than him.

 

 

Couldn’t someone have trumped two second-round picks? Why would Toronto GM Bryan Colangelo turn down Beasley in the Bosh/Heat sign-and-trade when Miami would have thrown him in for free? Where was Oklahoma City’s Sam Presti, who could have easily trumped Minnesota’s offer and added Beasley (one of Kevin Durant’s best friends) as a much-needed bench scorer? And where the hell were the Clippers???? I know he played terribly last season, and I know about the off-court concerns, but if you watched him in college … I mean … how could the No. 2 pick of the 2008 draft be worthless two years later? That was such a steal that I’m suspending all "Kaaaaaaaaahn!" jokes indefinitely. Great, great trade. And shame on the rest of the league for falling asleep.

[NbanflguyParticipant]

13. MINNESOTA

 

 

 

Preseason Prediction: 19 wins (15th)
Revised Prediction: 25 wins

 

 

 

 

A fascinating DirecTV team lately because of Kevin Love’s epic rebounding binge (although that 30-30 game was inadvertently a bad career move since there’s no way the T-Wolves will deal him now), Michael Beasley’s uber-rejuvenation (163 points in his past five games) and Darko Milicic’s historically atrocious offensive start (first 11 games: 22.7 MPG, 28.8 percent FG, 50 percent FT, 1.91 TO, 5.0 PPG, although he did rally this week). Minnesota GM David Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahn effectively traded Al Jefferson for Darko, Beasley and two non-lottery picks, so if Beasley redeems his career — that’s a defensible trade. Well, unless you’re one of the other Western teams and you want to wring Kahn’s neck for giving Jefferson to Utah.

 

 

As for Kahn, the 2009 draft fiasco speaks for itself: He whiffed on Stephen Curry twice and totally miscalculated the Ricky Rubio situation. He will never be able to justify giving Darko $20 million under the bizarre logic, "We need a passing center for the triangle," given that the triangle hasn’t succeeded in the NBA without MJ or Kobe being involved … so a 15-win team severely overpaying a four-time castoff based on the logic "We need him for the triangle" would be like TBS badly overpaying a bandleader based on the logic, "We need him for Lopez!" And it still hasn’t explained why the T-Wolves embarked on a multiyear rebuilding plan when they don’t own their own first-round pick in 2012; at some point soon, they’re going to have to suck it up and deal Rubio’s rights for immediate help.

 

 

(Hold on, big "Having that said that" coming … )

 

 

Having said that …

 

 

Stealing Beasley for two second-round picks was a freaking heist. Maybe he couldn’t handle South Beach. Maybe he couldn’t adjust to playing off the ball with Dwyane Wade. Maybe his personal demons were worse than the girl’s from "Drag Me to Hell." But watching him this month has been a revelation — even if he’s a defensive liability, there aren’t 12 NBA players right now who can drop 30 points easier than him.

 

 

Couldn’t someone have trumped two second-round picks? Why would Toronto GM Bryan Colangelo turn down Beasley in the Bosh/Heat sign-and-trade when Miami would have thrown him in for free? Where was Oklahoma City’s Sam Presti, who could have easily trumped Minnesota’s offer and added Beasley (one of Kevin Durant’s best friends) as a much-needed bench scorer? And where the hell were the Clippers???? I know he played terribly last season, and I know about the off-court concerns, but if you watched him in college … I mean … how could the No. 2 pick of the 2008 draft be worthless two years later? That was such a steal that I’m suspending all "Kaaaaaaaaahn!" jokes indefinitely. Great, great trade. And shame on the rest of the league for falling asleep.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

It’s not that Beasley wasn’t talented, it’s just that nobody wanted to help the Heat, when will you guys get it?

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

It’s not that Beasley wasn’t talented, it’s just that nobody wanted to help the Heat, when will you guys get it?

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

It’s not that Beasley wasn’t talented, it’s just that nobody wanted to help the Heat, when will you guys get it?

[joecheck88Participant]

beasley has all star potential easily. he is a bit like a tweener but i can see him getting 25ppg and 8rpg a game in his career multiple times. it may not lead to team success but should lead to multiple all star appearances.

[joecheck88Participant]

beasley has all star potential easily. he is a bit like a tweener but i can see him getting 25ppg and 8rpg a game in his career multiple times. it may not lead to team success but should lead to multiple all star appearances.

[joecheck88Participant]

beasley has all star potential easily. he is a bit like a tweener but i can see him getting 25ppg and 8rpg a game in his career multiple times. it may not lead to team success but should lead to multiple all star appearances.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

aka Antawn Jamison^^

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

aka Antawn Jamison^^

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

aka Antawn Jamison^^

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Why does David Kahn care about helping the heat? They are in the East and its not like the wolves will be competing against them for championships anytime soon. He made HIS team better. Now the Timberwolves have some young talent to develop for years and the fans are genuinely excited and coming to games. And for what price? Two 2nd rounders.

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Why does David Kahn care about helping the heat? They are in the East and its not like the wolves will be competing against them for championships anytime soon. He made HIS team better. Now the Timberwolves have some young talent to develop for years and the fans are genuinely excited and coming to games. And for what price? Two 2nd rounders.

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Why does David Kahn care about helping the heat? They are in the East and its not like the wolves will be competing against them for championships anytime soon. He made HIS team better. Now the Timberwolves have some young talent to develop for years and the fans are genuinely excited and coming to games. And for what price? Two 2nd rounders.

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

i agree with tounge out, kahn is still a dumbass

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

i agree with tounge out, kahn is still a dumbass

[Malik-UniversalParticipant]

i agree with tounge out, kahn is still a dumbass

[NbanflguyParticipant]

I will agree that Kahn has made some questionable moves, but the Beasley trade was not one of them. The heat being a superpower does not affect the Timberwolves at all. The timberwolves are not going to be competing for championships anytime soon and its not like we have to face the heat all the time. They are in a different conference. The trade made Kahn’s team better and isnt that the goal of a GM?

[NbanflguyParticipant]

I will agree that Kahn has made some questionable moves, but the Beasley trade was not one of them. The heat being a superpower does not affect the Timberwolves at all. The timberwolves are not going to be competing for championships anytime soon and its not like we have to face the heat all the time. They are in a different conference. The trade made Kahn’s team better and isnt that the goal of a GM?

[NbanflguyParticipant]

I will agree that Kahn has made some questionable moves, but the Beasley trade was not one of them. The heat being a superpower does not affect the Timberwolves at all. The timberwolves are not going to be competing for championships anytime soon and its not like we have to face the heat all the time. They are in a different conference. The trade made Kahn’s team better and isnt that the goal of a GM?

[immaletufinishbutParticipant]

I actually think he mad some good moves over the summer, I just think signing (yelling) DARKO!!!! was a waste of money and the webber comparison on nbatv was hilarious…

[immaletufinishbutParticipant]

I actually think he mad some good moves over the summer, I just think signing (yelling) DARKO!!!! was a waste of money and the webber comparison on nbatv was hilarious…

[immaletufinishbutParticipant]

I actually think he mad some good moves over the summer, I just think signing (yelling) DARKO!!!! was a waste of money and the webber comparison on nbatv was hilarious…

[NbanflguyParticipant]

I think he has made some good moves to. We are playing way improved from last year and lets not forget we have not had Flynn or Webster and lost Ridnour for a 5 game stretch. The money Darko got is just crazy, but he is no where close to as bad as people think. Will he ever put up stats that a #2 pick should? Almost certainly not, but he can still be a very solid big man and presence down low. He is blocking or disrupting a ton of shots, is a very good passer for a big man, and his offense and FG % are starting to come along as well.

[NbanflguyParticipant]

I think he has made some good moves to. We are playing way improved from last year and lets not forget we have not had Flynn or Webster and lost Ridnour for a 5 game stretch. The money Darko got is just crazy, but he is no where close to as bad as people think. Will he ever put up stats that a #2 pick should? Almost certainly not, but he can still be a very solid big man and presence down low. He is blocking or disrupting a ton of shots, is a very good passer for a big man, and his offense and FG % are starting to come along as well.

[NbanflguyParticipant]

I think he has made some good moves to. We are playing way improved from last year and lets not forget we have not had Flynn or Webster and lost Ridnour for a 5 game stretch. The money Darko got is just crazy, but he is no where close to as bad as people think. Will he ever put up stats that a #2 pick should? Almost certainly not, but he can still be a very solid big man and presence down low. He is blocking or disrupting a ton of shots, is a very good passer for a big man, and his offense and FG % are starting to come along as well.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

"I will agree that Kahn has made some questionable moves, but the Beasley trade was not one of them. The heat being a superpower does not affect the Timberwolves at all. The timberwolves are not going to be competing for championships anytime soon and its not like we have to face the heat all the time. They are in a different conference. The trade made Kahn’s team better and isnt that the goal of a GM?"

The Heat play in the same league and compete for the same title, different conference but same championship, so helping them certainly affects them greatly.

While Minnesota have not gotten off to the kind of blazing 4-9 start they have right now since that torrid 6-7 start in Garnett’s final year, they are still in last place. I just hope they don’t lose tonight to fall to 4-10. It has been all of two years since they were at that point. They had all that youth with Al Jefferson, Randy Foye, Sebastian Telfair, Ryan Gomes, Kevin Love, Craig Smith, and Corey Brewer. Jefferson was really emerging as a leader, and was averaging something like 22 points per game at that point of the year. They finished with 24 wins that year. We don’t want to conjure up memories of hope gone bad.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

"I will agree that Kahn has made some questionable moves, but the Beasley trade was not one of them. The heat being a superpower does not affect the Timberwolves at all. The timberwolves are not going to be competing for championships anytime soon and its not like we have to face the heat all the time. They are in a different conference. The trade made Kahn’s team better and isnt that the goal of a GM?"

The Heat play in the same league and compete for the same title, different conference but same championship, so helping them certainly affects them greatly.

While Minnesota have not gotten off to the kind of blazing 4-9 start they have right now since that torrid 6-7 start in Garnett’s final year, they are still in last place. I just hope they don’t lose tonight to fall to 4-10. It has been all of two years since they were at that point. They had all that youth with Al Jefferson, Randy Foye, Sebastian Telfair, Ryan Gomes, Kevin Love, Craig Smith, and Corey Brewer. Jefferson was really emerging as a leader, and was averaging something like 22 points per game at that point of the year. They finished with 24 wins that year. We don’t want to conjure up memories of hope gone bad.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

"I will agree that Kahn has made some questionable moves, but the Beasley trade was not one of them. The heat being a superpower does not affect the Timberwolves at all. The timberwolves are not going to be competing for championships anytime soon and its not like we have to face the heat all the time. They are in a different conference. The trade made Kahn’s team better and isnt that the goal of a GM?"

The Heat play in the same league and compete for the same title, different conference but same championship, so helping them certainly affects them greatly.

While Minnesota have not gotten off to the kind of blazing 4-9 start they have right now since that torrid 6-7 start in Garnett’s final year, they are still in last place. I just hope they don’t lose tonight to fall to 4-10. It has been all of two years since they were at that point. They had all that youth with Al Jefferson, Randy Foye, Sebastian Telfair, Ryan Gomes, Kevin Love, Craig Smith, and Corey Brewer. Jefferson was really emerging as a leader, and was averaging something like 22 points per game at that point of the year. They finished with 24 wins that year. We don’t want to conjure up memories of hope gone bad.

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Were you trying to be funny?

And how can you say helping the heat affects them greatly? The trade made the timberwolves better. You think the wolves really care if the heat win 5 titles? The timberwolves are not contending for a title anytime soon you it doesnt matter if the heat are a superpower. You think at anytime in the near future it will be Heat vs Timberwolves in the NBA finals? No it will not be, so why do the timberwolves care if the heat do battle with the lakers in the nba finals? The bottom line is that Kahn did his job and did what was best for HIS team

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Were you trying to be funny?

And how can you say helping the heat affects them greatly? The trade made the timberwolves better. You think the wolves really care if the heat win 5 titles? The timberwolves are not contending for a title anytime soon you it doesnt matter if the heat are a superpower. You think at anytime in the near future it will be Heat vs Timberwolves in the NBA finals? No it will not be, so why do the timberwolves care if the heat do battle with the lakers in the nba finals? The bottom line is that Kahn did his job and did what was best for HIS team

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Were you trying to be funny?

And how can you say helping the heat affects them greatly? The trade made the timberwolves better. You think the wolves really care if the heat win 5 titles? The timberwolves are not contending for a title anytime soon you it doesnt matter if the heat are a superpower. You think at anytime in the near future it will be Heat vs Timberwolves in the NBA finals? No it will not be, so why do the timberwolves care if the heat do battle with the lakers in the nba finals? The bottom line is that Kahn did his job and did what was best for HIS team

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

If the Timberwolves aren’t competing for a title "anytime soon" and in part due to the presence of the Heat in no way closer to winning a title no as opposed to last year, then why should you care whether Minnesota wins 26 games as opposed to 20? Shouldn’t a fan of what has been one of the worst run franchises over the past decade actually want to see them make real progress as opposed to this novelty progress of having guys put up fancy numbers?

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

If the Timberwolves aren’t competing for a title "anytime soon" and in part due to the presence of the Heat in no way closer to winning a title no as opposed to last year, then why should you care whether Minnesota wins 26 games as opposed to 20? Shouldn’t a fan of what has been one of the worst run franchises over the past decade actually want to see them make real progress as opposed to this novelty progress of having guys put up fancy numbers?

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

If the Timberwolves aren’t competing for a title "anytime soon" and in part due to the presence of the Heat in no way closer to winning a title no as opposed to last year, then why should you care whether Minnesota wins 26 games as opposed to 20? Shouldn’t a fan of what has been one of the worst run franchises over the past decade actually want to see them make real progress as opposed to this novelty progress of having guys put up fancy numbers?

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Real progress? Last year we started out 3-17 and were going for the worst record in NBA history. This year we start out 4-9 with 4 loses coming by a combinded 15 points. We have a winning record at home. And we are doing all this missing 2 starters and the backup PG had to miss 5 games. We have a Legit 20 point scorer who is only 21 years old, and a player leading the NBA in rebounding. That same player had the first 30-30 game in over 20 years. Next year we have an exciting prospect in rubio coming over and if he doesnt then we have a very good trade asset. We have tons of cap room to sign new players. We very well could be a low seeded playoff team in 2-3 years. I call that progress, but i am guessing you do not

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Real progress? Last year we started out 3-17 and were going for the worst record in NBA history. This year we start out 4-9 with 4 loses coming by a combinded 15 points. We have a winning record at home. And we are doing all this missing 2 starters and the backup PG had to miss 5 games. We have a Legit 20 point scorer who is only 21 years old, and a player leading the NBA in rebounding. That same player had the first 30-30 game in over 20 years. Next year we have an exciting prospect in rubio coming over and if he doesnt then we have a very good trade asset. We have tons of cap room to sign new players. We very well could be a low seeded playoff team in 2-3 years. I call that progress, but i am guessing you do not

[NbanflguyParticipant]

Real progress? Last year we started out 3-17 and were going for the worst record in NBA history. This year we start out 4-9 with 4 loses coming by a combinded 15 points. We have a winning record at home. And we are doing all this missing 2 starters and the backup PG had to miss 5 games. We have a Legit 20 point scorer who is only 21 years old, and a player leading the NBA in rebounding. That same player had the first 30-30 game in over 20 years. Next year we have an exciting prospect in rubio coming over and if he doesnt then we have a very good trade asset. We have tons of cap room to sign new players. We very well could be a low seeded playoff team in 2-3 years. I call that progress, but i am guessing you do not

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

And you called the start of 2008-09 what exactly? Same start, same youth, same legit 20 point scorer in Jefferson, and they were sitting on three first round picks for the next summer with the hope of being a low playoff seed in 2-3 years. Two years have gone by, some of the names have changed, but the story is the same.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

And you called the start of 2008-09 what exactly? Same start, same youth, same legit 20 point scorer in Jefferson, and they were sitting on three first round picks for the next summer with the hope of being a low playoff seed in 2-3 years. Two years have gone by, some of the names have changed, but the story is the same.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

And you called the start of 2008-09 what exactly? Same start, same youth, same legit 20 point scorer in Jefferson, and they were sitting on three first round picks for the next summer with the hope of being a low playoff seed in 2-3 years. Two years have gone by, some of the names have changed, but the story is the same.

[NbanflguyParticipant]

What are you talking about? We started out 2-10 that year.

Get your facts right. It is just obvious that you hate the wolves and refuse to give them any credit. When you end a post like you did a few days ago saying"They deserve every loss they ever get" its clear you are bias.

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/schedule/_/name/min/year/2009/minnesota-timberwolves

[NbanflguyParticipant]

What are you talking about? We started out 2-10 that year.

Get your facts right. It is just obvious that you hate the wolves and refuse to give them any credit. When you end a post like you did a few days ago saying"They deserve every loss they ever get" its clear you are bias.

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/schedule/_/name/min/year/2009/minnesota-timberwolves

[NbanflguyParticipant]

What are you talking about? We started out 2-10 that year.

Get your facts right. It is just obvious that you hate the wolves and refuse to give them any credit. When you end a post like you did a few days ago saying"They deserve every loss they ever get" its clear you are bias.

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/schedule/_/name/min/year/2009/minnesota-timberwolves

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Minnesota was 4-10, which is exactly where they will be after the Lakers sleepwalk to victory tonight in epically lazy fashion.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIN/2009_games.html

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Minnesota was 4-10, which is exactly where they will be after the Lakers sleepwalk to victory tonight in epically lazy fashion.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIN/2009_games.html

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Minnesota was 4-10, which is exactly where they will be after the Lakers sleepwalk to victory tonight in epically lazy fashion.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIN/2009_games.html

[HaleParticipant]

BTPH, read my post in the other Beasley topic.

[HaleParticipant]

BTPH, read my post in the other Beasley topic.

[HaleParticipant]

BTPH, read my post in the other Beasley topic.

[NbanflguyParticipant]

So what your saying is that we have no reason to be optimistic, this is the same as 2008-09 and we will lose our next 13 games and our star player will tear his ACL. This is not 2008-09. This is 2010-11. 2008-09 was a completely different roster and situation

[NbanflguyParticipant]

So what your saying is that we have no reason to be optimistic, this is the same as 2008-09 and we will lose our next 13 games and our star player will tear his ACL. This is not 2008-09. This is 2010-11. 2008-09 was a completely different roster and situation

[NbanflguyParticipant]

So what your saying is that we have no reason to be optimistic, this is the same as 2008-09 and we will lose our next 13 games and our star player will tear his ACL. This is not 2008-09. This is 2010-11. 2008-09 was a completely different roster and situation

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

And that situation will be differently how? The Northwest Division being worse? Nope. That will show itself down the road as they haven’t played anyone in the division yet. The Western Conference being worse? Not when you consider the way in which injuries ravaged the good teams that year. FWIW, Minnesota is 2-4 so far with those two monster wins coming over the Clippers and Kings. It is a bad team, and the biggest advantage that they have is that everyone knows that they are bad so there are going to be nights where players aren’t exactly up for them (see the Lakers game in LA).

 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

And that situation will be differently how? The Northwest Division being worse? Nope. That will show itself down the road as they haven’t played anyone in the division yet. The Western Conference being worse? Not when you consider the way in which injuries ravaged the good teams that year. FWIW, Minnesota is 2-4 so far with those two monster wins coming over the Clippers and Kings. It is a bad team, and the biggest advantage that they have is that everyone knows that they are bad so there are going to be nights where players aren’t exactly up for them (see the Lakers game in LA).

 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

And that situation will be differently how? The Northwest Division being worse? Nope. That will show itself down the road as they haven’t played anyone in the division yet. The Western Conference being worse? Not when you consider the way in which injuries ravaged the good teams that year. FWIW, Minnesota is 2-4 so far with those two monster wins coming over the Clippers and Kings. It is a bad team, and the biggest advantage that they have is that everyone knows that they are bad so there are going to be nights where players aren’t exactly up for them (see the Lakers game in LA).

 

[HaleParticipant]

So your saying they can never be good? Since when is picking up a good player a bad thing?

[HaleParticipant]

So your saying they can never be good? Since when is picking up a good player a bad thing?

[HaleParticipant]

So your saying they can never be good? Since when is picking up a good player a bad thing?

[NbanflguyParticipant]

So we have made no progress and have no hope cuz we were bad in 2008?

[NbanflguyParticipant]

So we have made no progress and have no hope cuz we were bad in 2008?

[NbanflguyParticipant]

So we have made no progress and have no hope cuz we were bad in 2008?

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

<!–[if gte mso 9]> I did not say picking up Beasley was a bad thing. All I have said is that the deal was not a steal because Miami benefited more from the deal. It wasn’t something for nothing. It isn’t a secret of what Miami was doing. They are vastly better for having dealt Beasley. They won. They will play for titles. The Miami Heat franchise will bear the financial fruit of assembling this team like the Bulls did in the 1990s. Minnesota played along and got a free scorer. Good for them. They also gave a free scorer to Utah, unless of course you want to differentiate between the ten slots between a Utah first round pick and a Minnesota second round pick. Oh, and who can forget Kosta Koufos. If only Miami had gotten the rights to John Bryant thrown in. Where does this leave Minnesota? The same spot. You can change the names, change the distribution of numbers, but it does not change the fact that they are a bad team. They don’t guard anyone, and they aren’t good enough offensively to not play defense. The Lakers can get away with not guarding anyone (and right now that is what they are doing), but Minnesota doesn’t have Kobe, Pau, and Odom. They aren’t shooting 47 percent as a team like Los Angeles, they are shooting 42 percent. Plus, the Lakers have a history that indicates that eventually they’ll get serious on the defensive end. When I am looking at a team that can guard anyone and does not score efficiently, I tend to believe they aren’t very good at basketball and won’t be until they address that issue.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

<!–[if gte mso 9]> I did not say picking up Beasley was a bad thing. All I have said is that the deal was not a steal because Miami benefited more from the deal. It wasn’t something for nothing. It isn’t a secret of what Miami was doing. They are vastly better for having dealt Beasley. They won. They will play for titles. The Miami Heat franchise will bear the financial fruit of assembling this team like the Bulls did in the 1990s. Minnesota played along and got a free scorer. Good for them. They also gave a free scorer to Utah, unless of course you want to differentiate between the ten slots between a Utah first round pick and a Minnesota second round pick. Oh, and who can forget Kosta Koufos. If only Miami had gotten the rights to John Bryant thrown in. Where does this leave Minnesota? The same spot. You can change the names, change the distribution of numbers, but it does not change the fact that they are a bad team. They don’t guard anyone, and they aren’t good enough offensively to not play defense. The Lakers can get away with not guarding anyone (and right now that is what they are doing), but Minnesota doesn’t have Kobe, Pau, and Odom. They aren’t shooting 47 percent as a team like Los Angeles, they are shooting 42 percent. Plus, the Lakers have a history that indicates that eventually they’ll get serious on the defensive end. When I am looking at a team that can guard anyone and does not score efficiently, I tend to believe they aren’t very good at basketball and won’t be until they address that issue.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

<!–[if gte mso 9]> I did not say picking up Beasley was a bad thing. All I have said is that the deal was not a steal because Miami benefited more from the deal. It wasn’t something for nothing. It isn’t a secret of what Miami was doing. They are vastly better for having dealt Beasley. They won. They will play for titles. The Miami Heat franchise will bear the financial fruit of assembling this team like the Bulls did in the 1990s. Minnesota played along and got a free scorer. Good for them. They also gave a free scorer to Utah, unless of course you want to differentiate between the ten slots between a Utah first round pick and a Minnesota second round pick. Oh, and who can forget Kosta Koufos. If only Miami had gotten the rights to John Bryant thrown in. Where does this leave Minnesota? The same spot. You can change the names, change the distribution of numbers, but it does not change the fact that they are a bad team. They don’t guard anyone, and they aren’t good enough offensively to not play defense. The Lakers can get away with not guarding anyone (and right now that is what they are doing), but Minnesota doesn’t have Kobe, Pau, and Odom. They aren’t shooting 47 percent as a team like Los Angeles, they are shooting 42 percent. Plus, the Lakers have a history that indicates that eventually they’ll get serious on the defensive end. When I am looking at a team that can guard anyone and does not score efficiently, I tend to believe they aren’t very good at basketball and won’t be until they address that issue.

[HaleParticipant]

I agree with nearly all of that. But is debatable as to who benefitted more from that deal. They got Mike Miller with that money right? We won’t know until he gets back but Beasley has helped. Everything else I agree with.

[HaleParticipant]

I agree with nearly all of that. But is debatable as to who benefitted more from that deal. They got Mike Miller with that money right? We won’t know until he gets back but Beasley has helped. Everything else I agree with.

[HaleParticipant]

I agree with nearly all of that. But is debatable as to who benefitted more from that deal. They got Mike Miller with that money right? We won’t know until he gets back but Beasley has helped. Everything else I agree with.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Sort of. Miami’s big three committed to Miami with no financial negotiations. That isn’t exactly normal, and might not ever happen again. Those terms came out much later when they figured out how to get the five guy (big three plus UD and Miller) under the cap legally. They took less to play with one another, not to play with Beasley. It is impossible to know how the process would have changed if Riley  would not have been able to make the move because it wasn’t until after they moved him did Wade talk to LeBron and Bosh about taking less than the max to accomodate Udonis and Miller.

I do believe, however, we have enough evidence to know that Beasley’s strengths are minimized and weaknesses maximized when he is a fourth or fifth option. Forget all the intangibles about him being away from South Beach and being out from under the pressure of being the #2 pick, he is better because he is in his comfortable position of having the ball and not being asked to focus on defense and rebounding.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Sort of. Miami’s big three committed to Miami with no financial negotiations. That isn’t exactly normal, and might not ever happen again. Those terms came out much later when they figured out how to get the five guy (big three plus UD and Miller) under the cap legally. They took less to play with one another, not to play with Beasley. It is impossible to know how the process would have changed if Riley  would not have been able to make the move because it wasn’t until after they moved him did Wade talk to LeBron and Bosh about taking less than the max to accomodate Udonis and Miller.

I do believe, however, we have enough evidence to know that Beasley’s strengths are minimized and weaknesses maximized when he is a fourth or fifth option. Forget all the intangibles about him being away from South Beach and being out from under the pressure of being the #2 pick, he is better because he is in his comfortable position of having the ball and not being asked to focus on defense and rebounding.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Sort of. Miami’s big three committed to Miami with no financial negotiations. That isn’t exactly normal, and might not ever happen again. Those terms came out much later when they figured out how to get the five guy (big three plus UD and Miller) under the cap legally. They took less to play with one another, not to play with Beasley. It is impossible to know how the process would have changed if Riley  would not have been able to make the move because it wasn’t until after they moved him did Wade talk to LeBron and Bosh about taking less than the max to accomodate Udonis and Miller.

I do believe, however, we have enough evidence to know that Beasley’s strengths are minimized and weaknesses maximized when he is a fourth or fifth option. Forget all the intangibles about him being away from South Beach and being out from under the pressure of being the #2 pick, he is better because he is in his comfortable position of having the ball and not being asked to focus on defense and rebounding.

[HaleParticipant]

100% agree with all of that.

[HaleParticipant]

100% agree with all of that.

[HaleParticipant]

100% agree with all of that.

[sheltwon3Participant]

They wasted picks.  I mean dude could have gotten better players that played a position he needed.  The Beasley thing was Kahn being smart.  He was offered Beasley for something and he took it.  I mean i doubt a whole bunch of Gm’s had the same opportunity and just said no.  Zach Randolph had been trade like 3 times and he had a worse reputation and was more money.   I am sure most people knew Beasley has a chance to be a great scorer and if not you let his rookie deal run out.  I mean it was not a tough decision.

[sheltwon3Participant]

They wasted picks.  I mean dude could have gotten better players that played a position he needed.  The Beasley thing was Kahn being smart.  He was offered Beasley for something and he took it.  I mean i doubt a whole bunch of Gm’s had the same opportunity and just said no.  Zach Randolph had been trade like 3 times and he had a worse reputation and was more money.   I am sure most people knew Beasley has a chance to be a great scorer and if not you let his rookie deal run out.  I mean it was not a tough decision.

[sheltwon3Participant]

They wasted picks.  I mean dude could have gotten better players that played a position he needed.  The Beasley thing was Kahn being smart.  He was offered Beasley for something and he took it.  I mean i doubt a whole bunch of Gm’s had the same opportunity and just said no.  Zach Randolph had been trade like 3 times and he had a worse reputation and was more money.   I am sure most people knew Beasley has a chance to be a great scorer and if not you let his rookie deal run out.  I mean it was not a tough decision.

[marcusfizer21Participant]

The Heat were so desperate in moving Beasley’s contract that they’d take anything to offer on the table and it looked like their "best" offer was to Minnesota for a second rounder… That’s like giving up a McDonald’s french fries for a gum… I hated that lopsided deal but it is what it is… Kahn didn’t won… He was just damn lucky to be able to have a Miami Heat team desperate to move on with LBJ, Wade and Bosh…

[marcusfizer21Participant]

The Heat were so desperate in moving Beasley’s contract that they’d take anything to offer on the table and it looked like their "best" offer was to Minnesota for a second rounder… That’s like giving up a McDonald’s french fries for a gum… I hated that lopsided deal but it is what it is… Kahn didn’t won… He was just damn lucky to be able to have a Miami Heat team desperate to move on with LBJ, Wade and Bosh…

[marcusfizer21Participant]

The Heat were so desperate in moving Beasley’s contract that they’d take anything to offer on the table and it looked like their "best" offer was to Minnesota for a second rounder… That’s like giving up a McDonald’s french fries for a gum… I hated that lopsided deal but it is what it is… Kahn didn’t won… He was just damn lucky to be able to have a Miami Heat team desperate to move on with LBJ, Wade and Bosh…

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