[TRC1991Participant]

100% in if they retired today

Tim Duncan

Kobe Bryant

LeBron James

Kevin Garnett

Paul Pierce

Dwyane Wade

Dirk Nowitzki

Would Be In if they retired today, but not a slam dunk call

Carmelo Anthony

Dwight Howard

Chris Bosh

Tony Parker 

Chris Paul

Pau Gasol

Kevin Durant

It’d Be Close

Manu Ginobili

Amar’e Stoudemire

Vince Carter

Note:

LaMarcus Aldridge playing in the West and Chris Bosh in the East have had drastically different resumes, yet their stats are almost identical…

CB: 19.3 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 2 apg, 1.1 bpg, 49.5% FG, 32.6% 3PT, 79.9% FT

10x all-star, 31 years old

LA: 19.4 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 1.9 apg, 1.0 bpg, 48.5% FG, 27.6% 3PT, 79.6% FT

4x all-star, 30 years old

 

Aldridge needs a ring and 4 more all-star games to get into the HOF in my opinion

[immortalone23Participant]

Is going to be in the HOF, Manu is a first ballot HOFer.

[ropeParticipant]

 Yep.  They put a lot of weight on international play.  It is the Basketball Hall of Fame, not Pro Basketball or the NBA.  

Ginobili is in.

 

[ropeParticipant]

 Yep.  They put a lot of weight on international play.  It is the Basketball Hall of Fame, not Pro Basketball or the NBA.  

Ginobili is in.

 

[immortalone23Participant]

Is going to be in the HOF, Manu is a first ballot HOFer.

[SkalAndJamalParticipant]

It’s not that hard to be a hall of famer just look at Gus Johnson and Dennis Johnson. If you won a mvp you are forsure making the hall of fame. So add DRose and Steph. 

Blake, harden and westbrook are pretty close.

[SkalAndJamalParticipant]

It’s not that hard to be a hall of famer just look at Gus Johnson and Dennis Johnson. If you won a mvp you are forsure making the hall of fame. So add DRose and Steph. 

Blake, harden and westbrook are pretty close.

[Robb_CParticipant]

Tony Parker has to be 100 percent right now.. He’s been arguably the best PG the last 10 years

[trelos6Participant]

Also, the Manu rule.  Manu carried Argentina for years.  Parker was a staple on the French national team, leading them to great semi final results in Eurobasket 

[trelos6Participant]

Also, the Manu rule.  Manu carried Argentina for years.  Parker was a staple on the French national team, leading them to great semi final results in Eurobasket 

[sitlbitoParticipant]

 "semi finals results" What do you mean? They actually won the 2013 eurobasket and Parker was the MVP. And yeah Parker and Ginobili are 4 times NBA champs(Nba finals mvp for Parker) while being multiple time all star,no even without their international success,they’re already close to the HOF. But once you factor in Ginobili being the only modern player to win Euroleague/Olympic gold/nba title,and Parker being a european champ and olympian,it’s a no-brainer.

[sitlbitoParticipant]

 "semi finals results" What do you mean? They actually won the 2013 eurobasket and Parker was the MVP. And yeah Parker and Ginobili are 4 times NBA champs(Nba finals mvp for Parker) while being multiple time all star,no even without their international success,they’re already close to the HOF. But once you factor in Ginobili being the only modern player to win Euroleague/Olympic gold/nba title,and Parker being a european champ and olympian,it’s a no-brainer.

[Robb_CParticipant]

Tony Parker has to be 100 percent right now.. He’s been arguably the best PG the last 10 years

[OaktownWarriorsParticipant]

These dudes are in because of what they did as a player (won MVP) plus how will there teams did too (Rings, Conference finals).

Duncan, Kobe, James, KG, Pierce, D-Wade, Dirk, Pau, Manu, Step, D-Rose, and KD.

With Bosh, KD, and Parker making the Hall down the line. 

On the fence and maybe not making…CP3, Blake, Westbrook, LaMarcus, Marc Gasol, D-Howard, Melo.

 

For the record, I think Melo, Howard, CP3, and Blake are cancers to their teams!  They can put up good numbers, but they don’t take their teams to the next level.  And for me, that would play a major factor in being a HOF!  You don’t have to win a ring, but taking your team to the next level is huge!

 

[top prospectParticipant]

The Statement "I think Melo, Howard, CP3, and Blake are cancers to their teams!" 

Melo on the Heat win a Chip…

CP3 on the Spurs win a Chip…

Howard will get a Chip…

Blake? Only because I don’t know how he will continue to develop.

LBJ doesn’t make his team better. If you watched the entire NBA playoffs you would’ve noticed that many of his teammates weren’t able to get into a rhythmn (ie. JR).

KG wouldn’t have won in Minnie and he wouldn’t have been on your list.

Pierce wouldn’t have won if not for the teaming up with two other superstars.

Manu is a career 6th man (No pressure).

Pau wouldn’t be mentioned if he didn’t go to the Kobe-land.

Call a spade a spade most of these guys will make it because of their teams and not because they were the best of the best.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[top prospectParticipant]

The Statement "I think Melo, Howard, CP3, and Blake are cancers to their teams!" 

Melo on the Heat win a Chip…

CP3 on the Spurs win a Chip…

Howard will get a Chip…

Blake? Only because I don’t know how he will continue to develop.

LBJ doesn’t make his team better. If you watched the entire NBA playoffs you would’ve noticed that many of his teammates weren’t able to get into a rhythmn (ie. JR).

KG wouldn’t have won in Minnie and he wouldn’t have been on your list.

Pierce wouldn’t have won if not for the teaming up with two other superstars.

Manu is a career 6th man (No pressure).

Pau wouldn’t be mentioned if he didn’t go to the Kobe-land.

Call a spade a spade most of these guys will make it because of their teams and not because they were the best of the best.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[OaktownWarriorsParticipant]

These dudes are in because of what they did as a player (won MVP) plus how will there teams did too (Rings, Conference finals).

Duncan, Kobe, James, KG, Pierce, D-Wade, Dirk, Pau, Manu, Step, D-Rose, and KD.

With Bosh, KD, and Parker making the Hall down the line. 

On the fence and maybe not making…CP3, Blake, Westbrook, LaMarcus, Marc Gasol, D-Howard, Melo.

 

For the record, I think Melo, Howard, CP3, and Blake are cancers to their teams!  They can put up good numbers, but they don’t take their teams to the next level.  And for me, that would play a major factor in being a HOF!  You don’t have to win a ring, but taking your team to the next level is huge!

 

[CcdrakeParticipant]

Is kawhi Leonard on the fence nba champion, finals MVP, defensive player of the year

[dcaseParticipant]

 Way too early in his career to consider HOF.  The original post was a list of who would be in the HOF if their career was to end today.

[dcaseParticipant]

 Way too early in his career to consider HOF.  The original post was a list of who would be in the HOF if their career was to end today.

[top prospectParticipant]

 I agree but only because of the criteria that’s being used now to determine a players legacy. Kawhi is good but not all time great.

[top prospectParticipant]

 I agree but only because of the criteria that’s being used now to determine a players legacy. Kawhi is good but not all time great.

[CcdrakeParticipant]

Is kawhi Leonard on the fence nba champion, finals MVP, defensive player of the year

[top prospectParticipant]

 Curry should be on every list. He’s widely considered as the greatest shooter in NBA history. He holds a current NBA record for 3’s made in a single season and post season. 

[trelos6Participant]

He kinda also just won MVP and a chip.  Kinda a lock now. 

[trelos6Participant]

He kinda also just won MVP and a chip.  Kinda a lock now. 

[top prospectParticipant]

 Curry should be on every list. He’s widely considered as the greatest shooter in NBA history. He holds a current NBA record for 3’s made in a single season and post season. 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I can see D Rose being the first MVP not to be in the HOF.  Is there enough there?  Peak healthy D Rose was great, but his prime was far too brief…  Maybe he can get back some of his mojo.

Besides Iggy who I made a case for (FIBA gold medal, Olympic gold medal, Finals MVP, one time all star, one time 1st team all defense, one 2nd team all defense) if he continues to add some more defensive teams and championships, I think Zach Randolph has an OUTSIDE shot IF the Grizzlies can get to the Finals and IF he has another all star game or two in him.  I can see him playing until he is 40 and racking up stats Moses Malone style.

Westbrook is probably in.  ASG MVP, a GREAT season this past year, went to the Finals once, plays well on both sides of the ball, and I think he has an Olympic gold, too.  Overall, he has a better resume than D Rose even though Rose has an MVP award, but I think Westbrook could have gotten it this season.  

What about Tyson Chandler?  DPOY, Olympic gold medal, won a championship.  Not even sure he has been an all star before.  Ok, he went to the ASG once.  Also, 2 All Defensive Second Teams, 1 Defensive 1st team, and an All NBA 3rd team to go with his DPOY award.  He also led the lead in field goal percentage once.  He doesn’t score much or even rack up a ton of blocks, but he is highly effective and is a difference maker on the defensive side of the ball.  He is also number 1 all time in field goal percentage.  He has been in the league for a long time but is only 32.  Totals wise he is just over 8,100 points and just over 8,500 rebounds.  If he can get to 10,000 points and 10,000 rebounds then his odds of getting to the HOF will go up.  

 

 

 

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

Although both Iggy and Chandler might get in I don’t like role players like they are to enter the Hall of Fame. To me, the HoF should be for exceptional talents who dominated the game for a number of years, be it in the NBA or in the International circuit. For example, Pau had a very solid career in the NBA, similar to Iggy and Chandler but also dominated the international circuit as the prime star of Spain; same holds for Manu.

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

Although both Iggy and Chandler might get in I don’t like role players like they are to enter the Hall of Fame. To me, the HoF should be for exceptional talents who dominated the game for a number of years, be it in the NBA or in the International circuit. For example, Pau had a very solid career in the NBA, similar to Iggy and Chandler but also dominated the international circuit as the prime star of Spain; same holds for Manu.

[ballislyfe25Participant]

Tyson Chandler should not be in the HOF. Yes, he has a nice resume and was possibly the most important player for the championship Mavericks team (aside from the obvious, Dirk) in 2011 but we’re talking about the Hall of Fame, where truly great players belong.

Chandler is/was a very good pick and roll, weakside, and team defender and he is a very good rebounder and lob finisher. He uses his athleticism and mobility to his advantage. However, I have reservations about putting any player in the Hall of Fame who literally has trouble finishing layups. He was drafted out of high school and probably has known since about the 10th grade that he would make a living playing basketball, yet never developed any semblance of an offensive game aside from dunks and the easiest of finishes. He is also not a great post/on-ball defender. Now that’s not to say player’s must be well-rounded and complete to be HOFers but if not you better have elite abilities that directly impact the outcome of year’s worths of games, e.g. Dennis Rodman’s otherwordly hustle, rebounding, and defensive prowess.

I’m not trying to rip Chandler. He is an excellent NBA player, plays with passion, and has had a legitimately impressive and above average career that is definitely worthy of praise. But in earlier posts people were saying Chris Bosh may be on the fence and IMO there is no comparison between Bosh and Chandler. Bosh can do everything Chandler and so much more. A player like Bosh will have his jersey retired by one, maybe two franchises. Would even one team retire Chandler’s? 

TL;DR–Very good NBA career, not HOF worthy.

[ballislyfe25Participant]

Tyson Chandler should not be in the HOF. Yes, he has a nice resume and was possibly the most important player for the championship Mavericks team (aside from the obvious, Dirk) in 2011 but we’re talking about the Hall of Fame, where truly great players belong.

Chandler is/was a very good pick and roll, weakside, and team defender and he is a very good rebounder and lob finisher. He uses his athleticism and mobility to his advantage. However, I have reservations about putting any player in the Hall of Fame who literally has trouble finishing layups. He was drafted out of high school and probably has known since about the 10th grade that he would make a living playing basketball, yet never developed any semblance of an offensive game aside from dunks and the easiest of finishes. He is also not a great post/on-ball defender. Now that’s not to say player’s must be well-rounded and complete to be HOFers but if not you better have elite abilities that directly impact the outcome of year’s worths of games, e.g. Dennis Rodman’s otherwordly hustle, rebounding, and defensive prowess.

I’m not trying to rip Chandler. He is an excellent NBA player, plays with passion, and has had a legitimately impressive and above average career that is definitely worthy of praise. But in earlier posts people were saying Chris Bosh may be on the fence and IMO there is no comparison between Bosh and Chandler. Bosh can do everything Chandler and so much more. A player like Bosh will have his jersey retired by one, maybe two franchises. Would even one team retire Chandler’s? 

TL;DR–Very good NBA career, not HOF worthy.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I can see D Rose being the first MVP not to be in the HOF.  Is there enough there?  Peak healthy D Rose was great, but his prime was far too brief…  Maybe he can get back some of his mojo.

Besides Iggy who I made a case for (FIBA gold medal, Olympic gold medal, Finals MVP, one time all star, one time 1st team all defense, one 2nd team all defense) if he continues to add some more defensive teams and championships, I think Zach Randolph has an OUTSIDE shot IF the Grizzlies can get to the Finals and IF he has another all star game or two in him.  I can see him playing until he is 40 and racking up stats Moses Malone style.

Westbrook is probably in.  ASG MVP, a GREAT season this past year, went to the Finals once, plays well on both sides of the ball, and I think he has an Olympic gold, too.  Overall, he has a better resume than D Rose even though Rose has an MVP award, but I think Westbrook could have gotten it this season.  

What about Tyson Chandler?  DPOY, Olympic gold medal, won a championship.  Not even sure he has been an all star before.  Ok, he went to the ASG once.  Also, 2 All Defensive Second Teams, 1 Defensive 1st team, and an All NBA 3rd team to go with his DPOY award.  He also led the lead in field goal percentage once.  He doesn’t score much or even rack up a ton of blocks, but he is highly effective and is a difference maker on the defensive side of the ball.  He is also number 1 all time in field goal percentage.  He has been in the league for a long time but is only 32.  Totals wise he is just over 8,100 points and just over 8,500 rebounds.  If he can get to 10,000 points and 10,000 rebounds then his odds of getting to the HOF will go up.  

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Vince Carter is an interesting one, he was a hugely popular player in his prime leading the All Star voting 3 times and making 8 successive apperarances but he never made an NBA All First Team and surprisingly only made the 2nd team once and the 3rd team once. 

But he has well over 23,500 career points and the vast majority of players with 20,000 career points make the HOF. So I would figure that Vince is in.

Manu Ginobli is another borderline case but his great longevity and championship success will probably merit him getting in eventually.

 

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Vince Carter is an interesting one, he was a hugely popular player in his prime leading the All Star voting 3 times and making 8 successive apperarances but he never made an NBA All First Team and surprisingly only made the 2nd team once and the 3rd team once. 

But he has well over 23,500 career points and the vast majority of players with 20,000 career points make the HOF. So I would figure that Vince is in.

Manu Ginobli is another borderline case but his great longevity and championship success will probably merit him getting in eventually.

 

 

 

 

[BogDon_KryptParticipant]

When’ it’s all said and done, Anthony Bennett and Roy hibbert will not be hall of famers.

[nill650Participant]

 nobody though hasaan whiteside would make it after 4 years of d-league bliss either… I agree with the Hibbert assesment since he is not getting younger.

But you talk about Bennett like he sucks or something… all of these overpicked overated college prospects get beat up so bad by the media when they fail to live up…look at jonas valanciunas, he was supposed to be the best center in the league by now…ooops, guess not. Bennett does suck in comparison to most #1 picks,but only as it relates the common misconception that a first overall must contribute immediately. 

I don’t really see Bennett as a HOF player,he has shown very little that resembles the dominance he used at unlv  but I would’nt have thought Tristan Thompson would ever be an allstar and he is heading that way after his 4th season. so don’t count out his canadian brother just yet.

it’s easy to hit a man when he’s down, its harder to eat crow when he takes your fist and breaks it off in your john  brown hind parts. take a lesson from the whitesides of the league…big men develop slow

 

 

 

[nill650Participant]

 nobody though hasaan whiteside would make it after 4 years of d-league bliss either… I agree with the Hibbert assesment since he is not getting younger.

But you talk about Bennett like he sucks or something… all of these overpicked overated college prospects get beat up so bad by the media when they fail to live up…look at jonas valanciunas, he was supposed to be the best center in the league by now…ooops, guess not. Bennett does suck in comparison to most #1 picks,but only as it relates the common misconception that a first overall must contribute immediately. 

I don’t really see Bennett as a HOF player,he has shown very little that resembles the dominance he used at unlv  but I would’nt have thought Tristan Thompson would ever be an allstar and he is heading that way after his 4th season. so don’t count out his canadian brother just yet.

it’s easy to hit a man when he’s down, its harder to eat crow when he takes your fist and breaks it off in your john  brown hind parts. take a lesson from the whitesides of the league…big men develop slow

 

 

 

[BogDon_KryptParticipant]

When’ it’s all said and done, Anthony Bennett and Roy hibbert will not be hall of famers.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 I think Vince Carter is an easy choice. His career resume stacks up favorably with a lot of players who are already in the hall. Maybe not a first ballot guy but he’ll get in.

A couple of guys you didn’t mention were Joe Johnson and Zach Randolph. Each of them I think sort of has a case when you look at their overall body of work. Neither has ever really been among the truly elite but they have both been remarkably consistent over their careers.

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 I think Vince Carter is an easy choice. His career resume stacks up favorably with a lot of players who are already in the hall. Maybe not a first ballot guy but he’ll get in.

A couple of guys you didn’t mention were Joe Johnson and Zach Randolph. Each of them I think sort of has a case when you look at their overall body of work. Neither has ever really been among the truly elite but they have both been remarkably consistent over their careers.

 

[SubZeroParticipant]

I honestly think it’s pretty disrespectful to Manu and Vince to have them in the same category as Amare. And to me, KD, Tony, Pau, and Bosh are all for sure making it. I think they’re a category to themselves above the rest of the guys in the 2nd category

[SubZeroParticipant]

I honestly think it’s pretty disrespectful to Manu and Vince to have them in the same category as Amare. And to me, KD, Tony, Pau, and Bosh are all for sure making it. I think they’re a category to themselves above the rest of the guys in the 2nd category

[Stephen A. BaylessParticipant]

 Out of all the Sports, the NBA might be the closest to really having a "Hall of Very Good" and they actually let them in the regular Hall of Fame. I think all the players on your list are Hall of Famers. 

NBA reference has a pretty good Hall of Fame pct and all of those guys rank in the top-100 all-time (except Ginobili) and no one that ranks above Vince Carter isn’t in the Hall of Fame or a surefire selection.  Even Shawn Marion has a great chance of being a Hall of Famer.

The real question marks as far as players over 30 is Joe Johnson and that is really it. Steph, Westbrook, and Harden need 2-3 more years at around their current levels and will be locks. Rondo needs an amazing post 29 career. Aldridge isn’t really close at all right now (4.5%), Zack Randolph or Marc Gasol (he could climb a lot in the next 3 years plus international career) are no where near in. And no other active player is even worth mentioning. 

Interesting note because it was a topic the other day, is that T-Mac’s and Vince’s Hall of Fame pct are almost equal. T-Mac is 66th and Vince is 68th. 

[Stephen A. BaylessParticipant]

 Out of all the Sports, the NBA might be the closest to really having a "Hall of Very Good" and they actually let them in the regular Hall of Fame. I think all the players on your list are Hall of Famers. 

NBA reference has a pretty good Hall of Fame pct and all of those guys rank in the top-100 all-time (except Ginobili) and no one that ranks above Vince Carter isn’t in the Hall of Fame or a surefire selection.  Even Shawn Marion has a great chance of being a Hall of Famer.

The real question marks as far as players over 30 is Joe Johnson and that is really it. Steph, Westbrook, and Harden need 2-3 more years at around their current levels and will be locks. Rondo needs an amazing post 29 career. Aldridge isn’t really close at all right now (4.5%), Zack Randolph or Marc Gasol (he could climb a lot in the next 3 years plus international career) are no where near in. And no other active player is even worth mentioning. 

Interesting note because it was a topic the other day, is that T-Mac’s and Vince’s Hall of Fame pct are almost equal. T-Mac is 66th and Vince is 68th. 

[bimirudParticipant]

The standards are WAY too low. If you’re not a bona-fire superstar, you shouldn’t get in. I’d knock a player down a notch if he can’t make 1st Team All-NBA

[bimirudParticipant]

The standards are WAY too low. If you’re not a bona-fire superstar, you shouldn’t get in. I’d knock a player down a notch if he can’t make 1st Team All-NBA

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

CP3 is first-ballot hall-of-famer to me. Definitely a slam dunk call. 

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

CP3 is first-ballot hall-of-famer to me. Definitely a slam dunk call. 

[Memphisboy14Participant]

Carmelo Anthony

Dwight Howard

Chris Bosh

Tony Parker

Chris Paul

Pau Gasol

Kevin Durant

I believe they would all make the HOF if they retired. Some of them may not be 1st ballot HOFers but they will still get in regardless I think. One name a lot of people except for one person above forgot to mention was Joe Johnson. If you check his accolades I think that he has an outside shot. Despite his garbage contract he’s been a pretty solid player the last few years.

[Memphisboy14Participant]

Carmelo Anthony

Dwight Howard

Chris Bosh

Tony Parker

Chris Paul

Pau Gasol

Kevin Durant

I believe they would all make the HOF if they retired. Some of them may not be 1st ballot HOFers but they will still get in regardless I think. One name a lot of people except for one person above forgot to mention was Joe Johnson. If you check his accolades I think that he has an outside shot. Despite his garbage contract he’s been a pretty solid player the last few years.

[sitlbitoParticipant]

 Steph Curry is in. I mean Mvp+nba champion the same year,it’s not close.

[sitlbitoParticipant]

 Steph Curry is in. I mean Mvp+nba champion the same year,it’s not close.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 People say its the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Very Good.  Well, then change the name to the Hall of Greatness or something.

Fame is fame.  Vince Carter is famous, so he is more than likely in.  If he just racked up points with out all the flashy dunks then he might not go in.

Bosh vs. Aldridge.  Bosh is more famous.  He will always be known as part of that Miami Big 3.  

It’s about FAME.  Rodman put up rebounds, so did Charles Oakley.  BUT Rodman had more fame, won a bunch of titles.  Not saying that Rodman wasn’t one of the best all-time defenders and was a one man psychological operation, but Oak could still play, and he also had a mid-range jumper.

Charles Oakley will never get in.  He PROBABLY has as good a case as some others though…

At his peak, Oak was a GREAT rebounder and a top notch enforcer and winner.  He doesn’t have a rep as THE defensive stopper like a Pippen, Rodman, or Jordan, but he did make an All Defensive team (I think) and the Knicks teams had some really stingy defense.  Good passer, too.

People say Zach Randolph won’t get in.  Well, he might not.  BUT, he has been an all star and can put up and has put up stats.  HOWEVER, I think he gets in before Al Jefferson does even though BOTH GUYS have very similar skill sets.  BUT, Zach has that brand — Z BO.  He has played on the Grizzlies — a really, really solid team with an identity and some really good playoff runs.  Zach is 34 now.  If he plays until he is 38 or 40 then his career stat totals will look impressive.  Was he a regular season MVP?  No, but for stretches of the 2011 Playoffs he was the best player in the game.  He’s no lock, but he has a chance…

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 People say its the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Very Good.  Well, then change the name to the Hall of Greatness or something.

Fame is fame.  Vince Carter is famous, so he is more than likely in.  If he just racked up points with out all the flashy dunks then he might not go in.

Bosh vs. Aldridge.  Bosh is more famous.  He will always be known as part of that Miami Big 3.  

It’s about FAME.  Rodman put up rebounds, so did Charles Oakley.  BUT Rodman had more fame, won a bunch of titles.  Not saying that Rodman wasn’t one of the best all-time defenders and was a one man psychological operation, but Oak could still play, and he also had a mid-range jumper.

Charles Oakley will never get in.  He PROBABLY has as good a case as some others though…

At his peak, Oak was a GREAT rebounder and a top notch enforcer and winner.  He doesn’t have a rep as THE defensive stopper like a Pippen, Rodman, or Jordan, but he did make an All Defensive team (I think) and the Knicks teams had some really stingy defense.  Good passer, too.

People say Zach Randolph won’t get in.  Well, he might not.  BUT, he has been an all star and can put up and has put up stats.  HOWEVER, I think he gets in before Al Jefferson does even though BOTH GUYS have very similar skill sets.  BUT, Zach has that brand — Z BO.  He has played on the Grizzlies — a really, really solid team with an identity and some really good playoff runs.  Zach is 34 now.  If he plays until he is 38 or 40 then his career stat totals will look impressive.  Was he a regular season MVP?  No, but for stretches of the 2011 Playoffs he was the best player in the game.  He’s no lock, but he has a chance…

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Z Bo is at 15,600ish points and 8,600ish rebounds.  If he reaches the 20,000/10,000 Club I think he is in.  

 Two time all star.  Most Improved Player in 2003-2004.  An All NBA Third Team in 2010-2011.

Let’s talk more when his career is over.  He could end up being a classic Fringe HOF guy but I would love to see him get in.

Now, I am pretty sure people would say, yeah, if the Grizzlies win the title and Z Bo gets Finals MVP he’s in.  So, there is still time for him.

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Z Bo is at 15,600ish points and 8,600ish rebounds.  If he reaches the 20,000/10,000 Club I think he is in.  

 Two time all star.  Most Improved Player in 2003-2004.  An All NBA Third Team in 2010-2011.

Let’s talk more when his career is over.  He could end up being a classic Fringe HOF guy but I would love to see him get in.

Now, I am pretty sure people would say, yeah, if the Grizzlies win the title and Z Bo gets Finals MVP he’s in.  So, there is still time for him.

 

 

 

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

1 name i didnt see anyone mention above is joe johnson…he ”will not” make it on the 1st ballot…but i think he’s getting in…..7 all star appearances,2010 all nba 2nd team…he’s closing in on 20,000 points..everyone eligible who has scored over 20 k points is in the hall,except tom chambers…..

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

1 name i didnt see anyone mention above is joe johnson…he ”will not” make it on the 1st ballot…but i think he’s getting in…..7 all star appearances,2010 all nba 2nd team…he’s closing in on 20,000 points..everyone eligible who has scored over 20 k points is in the hall,except tom chambers…..

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 ^^^

A lot of it is star appeal.  Joe Johnson doesn’t have it.  He even has a generic name.  The stats are there as are the accolades (ASG’s, and a 2nd team All NBA).  Being on mediocre Hawks teams never helped and his current Nets team is worse, but I think the rest of his resume looks good.  If it were a Hall of Very Good or even a Hall of Great Overall Career he is in, but it is a Hall of FAME and he is not really FAMOUS which is what Fame implies.  I don’t think you can keep him out though with his overall body of work.  

What he may need to do is go to a title contender at the end of his career and come off the bench as a 6th man on a championship team.  A title would get him in.

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 ^^^

A lot of it is star appeal.  Joe Johnson doesn’t have it.  He even has a generic name.  The stats are there as are the accolades (ASG’s, and a 2nd team All NBA).  Being on mediocre Hawks teams never helped and his current Nets team is worse, but I think the rest of his resume looks good.  If it were a Hall of Very Good or even a Hall of Great Overall Career he is in, but it is a Hall of FAME and he is not really FAMOUS which is what Fame implies.  I don’t think you can keep him out though with his overall body of work.  

What he may need to do is go to a title contender at the end of his career and come off the bench as a 6th man on a championship team.  A title would get him in.

 

 

 

[nill650Participant]

 Any player with no less than 2 all star appearances and at least one all nba first team…even without any championship rings to show for it…definitely is worthy of inductance esp if their impact was significant…forget traditional  stats for a minute. If a player leads the league in intangibles should’nt he be in?  If not something is wrong with the criteria being used…and i believe to some extent the process has improved since bernard king who led the league in scoring at some point was snubbed forever but in 2013 finally got in.

Other than the obvious face of a frachise players of today, i believe a few that should be worthy of consideration with what they have done individualy and what they will likely accomplish overall by the time their careers are long over that most people will not think of as hof players: Mike Conley(the most underated pg in the league),his teamate tony allen has long been considered one of the best defenders to ever play the game, and my personal favorite eric bledsoe

 

 

[dcaseParticipant]

 Tony Allen should be considerd for the HOF???? There is no way he is even close.  His career averages are 8pts/3rebs/1ast.  I understand he is really good on defense and contributes beyond the box score, but this is the HOF we are talking about. There have been plenty of guys in the past that fit that mold and are no where close to being elected to the HOF.  A perfect example would be Michael Cooper. He has slightly better career averages than Allen (9pts/3rebs/4assts), was a lock down defender and has 5 championship rings. I’m guessing he hasn’t recieved many votes on any ballot since retiring.

[nill650Participant]

 Yeah i don’t think he will ever get in with the criteria utilized up till now either.

I think maybe they should just build a defensive hof next to the current one.

 

[nill650Participant]

 Yeah i don’t think he will ever get in with the criteria utilized up till now either.

I think maybe they should just build a defensive hof next to the current one.

 

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

Yeah even someone like Bobby Jones hasn’t gotten a sniff at the Hall even with 4 All-Star games, 8 All-Defensive 1st team selections and a championship, no way will Allen be seriously considered.

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

Yeah even someone like Bobby Jones hasn’t gotten a sniff at the Hall even with 4 All-Star games, 8 All-Defensive 1st team selections and a championship, no way will Allen be seriously considered.

[dcaseParticipant]

 Tony Allen should be considerd for the HOF???? There is no way he is even close.  His career averages are 8pts/3rebs/1ast.  I understand he is really good on defense and contributes beyond the box score, but this is the HOF we are talking about. There have been plenty of guys in the past that fit that mold and are no where close to being elected to the HOF.  A perfect example would be Michael Cooper. He has slightly better career averages than Allen (9pts/3rebs/4assts), was a lock down defender and has 5 championship rings. I’m guessing he hasn’t recieved many votes on any ballot since retiring.

[nill650Participant]

 Any player with no less than 2 all star appearances and at least one all nba first team…even without any championship rings to show for it…definitely is worthy of inductance esp if their impact was significant…forget traditional  stats for a minute. If a player leads the league in intangibles should’nt he be in?  If not something is wrong with the criteria being used…and i believe to some extent the process has improved since bernard king who led the league in scoring at some point was snubbed forever but in 2013 finally got in.

Other than the obvious face of a frachise players of today, i believe a few that should be worthy of consideration with what they have done individualy and what they will likely accomplish overall by the time their careers are long over that most people will not think of as hof players: Mike Conley(the most underated pg in the league),his teamate tony allen has long been considered one of the best defenders to ever play the game, and my personal favorite eric bledsoe

 

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Shawn Marion is a guy who I think has a really good chance to get in as well, although he is technically not a current player anymore. 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Shawn Marion is a guy who I think has a really good chance to get in as well, although he is technically not a current player anymore. 

[mgreener_34Participant]

Some players are getting some serious disrespect in this thread…I know winning plays a whole lot in this, but the fact that guys like CP3, KD, and Howard have been the best at their position for nearly a decade makes them surefire HoF’ers imo. All of them have a bunch of accolades as well from Howards 3x DotY to Durant’s MVP…Those three are locks. 

Also the total disrepect for Melo in this thread is nearly heartbreaking…USA Gold, College Title, 25/7/3/1 for his career, 9x all-star, 10 strait playoff appearences, 6x all-nba, #34 in points all time…that is a fantastic career, even without a ring

Guys like Bosh, Johnson, Matrix, and Kawhii, and now Curry are who we should really be talking about. Personally, I would put Bosh in, but just barely, he is a HoFer though. Curry and Kawhii both are interesting, because they are young, but have done so much already. One a DpoY and FMVP, and the other a ring and MVP…hard to argue those, they just need time. Johnson and Matrix have the stats, but they don’t stand out as players. Should be interesting

 

[mgreener_34Participant]

Some players are getting some serious disrespect in this thread…I know winning plays a whole lot in this, but the fact that guys like CP3, KD, and Howard have been the best at their position for nearly a decade makes them surefire HoF’ers imo. All of them have a bunch of accolades as well from Howards 3x DotY to Durant’s MVP…Those three are locks. 

Also the total disrepect for Melo in this thread is nearly heartbreaking…USA Gold, College Title, 25/7/3/1 for his career, 9x all-star, 10 strait playoff appearences, 6x all-nba, #34 in points all time…that is a fantastic career, even without a ring

Guys like Bosh, Johnson, Matrix, and Kawhii, and now Curry are who we should really be talking about. Personally, I would put Bosh in, but just barely, he is a HoFer though. Curry and Kawhii both are interesting, because they are young, but have done so much already. One a DpoY and FMVP, and the other a ring and MVP…hard to argue those, they just need time. Johnson and Matrix have the stats, but they don’t stand out as players. Should be interesting

 

[Bad DogParticipant]

–1st ballot if f they retired today:

Lebron 

Duncan

Kobe

Dirk

Durant

Paul Pierce

KG

Dwight Howard (if Zo Mourning gets in, so does Dwight)

Chris Paul

Melo

Pau Gasol

Wade

Vince Carter

Ray Allen (technically still active I guess)

–Future first ballot:

Westbrook

Steph Curry

Anthony Davis

Bosh

Harden

Aldridge

Blake Griffin

–Eventual HOFers:

Tony Patker

 

Manu Ginobli

–Possible HOFers

 

Joe Johnson

Amare

Zach Randolph

Marc Gasol (NBA and international record)

Derrick Rose (future reach)

Kevin Love (future reach)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bad DogParticipant]

–1st ballot if f they retired today:

Lebron 

Duncan

Kobe

Dirk

Durant

Paul Pierce

KG

Dwight Howard (if Zo Mourning gets in, so does Dwight)

Chris Paul

Melo

Pau Gasol

Wade

Vince Carter

Ray Allen (technically still active I guess)

–Future first ballot:

Westbrook

Steph Curry

Anthony Davis

Bosh

Harden

Aldridge

Blake Griffin

–Eventual HOFers:

Tony Patker

 

Manu Ginobli

–Possible HOFers

 

Joe Johnson

Amare

Zach Randolph

Marc Gasol (NBA and international record)

Derrick Rose (future reach)

Kevin Love (future reach)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[llperez]

 people are projecting a little much here. If steph curry, derrick rose or kawhi leonard retired today, they dont get into hall of fame. Personally i have super high standards for the hof, quite a few past unductees i dont think deserved it. But the bar has been raised so going forward it will only get harder. 

[llperez]

 people are projecting a little much here. If steph curry, derrick rose or kawhi leonard retired today, they dont get into hall of fame. Personally i have super high standards for the hof, quite a few past unductees i dont think deserved it. But the bar has been raised so going forward it will only get harder. 

[RecoveringVegetarianParticipant]

 Hey now!! Yeah noooooo waaaaaayy step curry gets in if he retired today

[RecoveringVegetarianParticipant]

 Hey now!! Yeah noooooo waaaaaayy step curry gets in if he retired today

[HitsterParticipant]

 Joe Johnson is an interesting case too, he’s a 7 time All Star but has only one All NBA 3rd Team recognition to his name. Has just over 18,000 career points and a scoring average of a shade over 17ppg but has never been parrt of a team to make an NBA final, I don’t think he’s ever got to a Conference Final either.

So he is still shy of the 20,000 point mark which players of his level are likely to need to reach the HOF and his scoring isn’t career level elite 20ppg which I also take as a decent HOF benchmark for a player who hasn’t got decent All NBA recognition or been part of title winning teams. His scoring average was skewed by a slow start to his career where he was a bench player and has fallen back a bit in recent years as he reached veteran status.

He has had 5 seasons at over 20ppg which is a good achievement and 7 All Star games spread across 8 seasons shows a good deal of longevity. I can make a case for a lack of All NBA appearances with Kobe, D-Wade, Kidd, Nash etc in front of him for a number of years.

Joe would not be a likely immediate HOF contender when he becomes eligible but I’d think he’d deserve due consideration eventually and could go in if there was a quiet year.

Joe has always been a very honest player who has made the very most of his ability ands worked hard to get himself to All Star level and have a long successful career, a lot of more naturally gifted players haven’t had this dedication to succeed. 

As a neutral, Joe would be the sort of player, I’d be quite happy to see getting himself on a true contender’s roster next summer and have a couple of final legit runs at a title. If he took some sort MLE/veteran deal then he’d be the sort of asset a contender could use as a complimentary starter or bench man with his experience, good attitude, durability and shooting.

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Joe Johnson is an interesting case too, he’s a 7 time All Star but has only one All NBA 3rd Team recognition to his name. Has just over 18,000 career points and a scoring average of a shade over 17ppg but has never been parrt of a team to make an NBA final, I don’t think he’s ever got to a Conference Final either.

So he is still shy of the 20,000 point mark which players of his level are likely to need to reach the HOF and his scoring isn’t career level elite 20ppg which I also take as a decent HOF benchmark for a player who hasn’t got decent All NBA recognition or been part of title winning teams. His scoring average was skewed by a slow start to his career where he was a bench player and has fallen back a bit in recent years as he reached veteran status.

He has had 5 seasons at over 20ppg which is a good achievement and 7 All Star games spread across 8 seasons shows a good deal of longevity. I can make a case for a lack of All NBA appearances with Kobe, D-Wade, Kidd, Nash etc in front of him for a number of years.

Joe would not be a likely immediate HOF contender when he becomes eligible but I’d think he’d deserve due consideration eventually and could go in if there was a quiet year.

Joe has always been a very honest player who has made the very most of his ability ands worked hard to get himself to All Star level and have a long successful career, a lot of more naturally gifted players haven’t had this dedication to succeed. 

As a neutral, Joe would be the sort of player, I’d be quite happy to see getting himself on a true contender’s roster next summer and have a couple of final legit runs at a title. If he took some sort MLE/veteran deal then he’d be the sort of asset a contender could use as a complimentary starter or bench man with his experience, good attitude, durability and shooting.

 

 

 

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