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Nerlens Noel vs Andre Drummond
Bmc vs Brad Beal
Marcus Smart vs Dion Waiters
Otto Porter vs MKG
Barnes vs Bazz
KCP vs Terrence Ross
Alex Len vs Meyers Leonard
MCW vs Kendall Marshall

etc etc

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

What R U Trying to Say?

[alingeParticipant]

The problem is in 5 years who do you think will be better, because to me in all honesty most of them matchups I see the player from the 2012 draft being better in 5 years

Drummond better than Noel
Beal better than BMac
Smart better than Waiters
MKG better than Porter
Barnes better than Bazz
Ross better than KCP
Len better than Leonard
Marshall and MCW a tie (don’t think either of them will amount to much)

So in my view that is 5-2-1 to the 2012 draft and that doesn’t include Davis and Lillard 2 of the best players from the 2012 draft

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Of course this draft doesn’t have a Dominant Franchise type player..But we’ve become so use to seeing superstar freshmen like Oden,Durant,Carmelo,Derrick Rose and Anthony Davis…That we’ve forgotten it took guys like Deron Williams,Joe Johnson,Wade,Tim Hardaway,Hibbert 2,3 or even 4 years before anyone though they’ll be nba prospects…

So imagine if McLemore spent 3 years in college working on his ball handling and learning when to take over games and when to get his teammates involved? Or Goodwin spending 2 or 3 years improving his shooting and how to play the right way?

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

Of course this draft doesn’t have a Dominant Franchise type player..But we’ve become so use to seeing superstar freshmen like Oden,Durant,Carmelo,Derrick Rose and Anthony Davis…That we’ve forgotten it took guys like Deron Williams,Joe Johnson,Wade,Tim Hardaway,Hibbert 2,3 or even 4 years before anyone though they’ll be nba prospects…

So imagine if McLemore spent 3 years in college working on his ball handling and learning when to take over games and when to get his teammates involved? Or Goodwin spending 2 or 3 years improving his shooting and how to play the right way?
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I agree with you in principle, but Williams, Wade and Johnson aren’t really the best examples (and I honestly can’t remember Hardaway’s college days at UTEP). Wade averaged 17.8 PPG, 6.6 RPG and 2.5 SPG in his first college season as a 19 year old. D-Will put up 14 PPG and 6.2 APG and was First Team All-Big Ten as a 19 year old sophomore. Johnson led the Razorbacks in scoring (16 PPG), rebounds (5.7) and steals (2.0) as an 18 year old freshman. B-Mac just finished this year with 15.9 PPG and 5.2 RPG as a 19/20 year old freshman.

Frankly I think they were all as good or better than McLemore at the same stage of their careers. Can Mclemore go on to have an All-Star NBA career like those guys? Most definitly. Would he be considered a potential #1 pick overall and a top 3 lock in most other drafts? Just like those guys the answer is no.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

I like Porter in the 7 to 12 range,but anyone picking him in the top 5,will regret it 2 or 3 years from now…When some of the guys that’ll go later turn out to be better players…..

[For_Never_EverParticipant]

CJ McCollum career could pan out like Lillard and Stephen Curry. He stayed in college upped his skills and draft stock. I think people are sleeping on this guy because he is looked as a under sized combo or sg guard, but so were those two as well.

[JordoParticipant]

I get what your’re trying to say, but the biggest difference is that there’s no clear #1 pick. If there was a Davis in this draft it probably wouldn’t look so bad. I could possibly go from weak draft to a deep draft like 2012 where there’s a consensus #1 and everyone else picks up a complimentary players but not a franchise changer.

[druneave3Participant]

You never know what could happen. It is possible that a number of the top picks could end up being extremely successful players. While this draft is presumably void of superstar talents at the top, I see a number of solid contributors throughout the draft. Even when trying to fill out the back end of the draft I find myself leaving out names that have a chance to make an impact on the league.

I also feel if 2014 draft wasn’t the juggernaut that it is, people wouldn’t be so harsh on this years draft.

At least Cody Zeller isn’t considered to be the top pick anymore.

[zebanoParticipant]

I think this class just lacks a clear superstar. I like the prospects of all of Burke, Smart, Oladipo, Porter, Noel to all be solid NBA starters in 3 years.

In the second tier I think all of McLemore, Zeller, Harris, Kyle Anderson, Caldwell-Pope, Carter-Williams, Benett can all at least crack a rotation with a chance to do more then you drop in all the Centers who are still more hype/potential/big bodies than production and you’re looking at a deep class that just lacks superstar talent. Throw in a few interesting international prospects like Noguira, Gobert and Saric and you have a solid class. I think the teams sitting in the 15-25 range are going to have their choice of cheap rotation players.

Muscala is my darkhorse for a second round pick that is going to make some noise in the NBA.

[The QParticipant]

Nerlens Noel vs Andre Drummond
Bmc vs Brad Beal
Marcus Smart vs Dion Waiters
Otto Porter vs MKG
Barnes vs Bazz
KCP vs Terrence Ross
Alex Len vs Meyers Leonard
MCW vs Kendall Marshall

The problem is that last year’s draft wins all of these basically.

The only ones I’d say are close are:

1) I might take Len over Leonard; and

2) Porter v. MKG is a close one for me. I actually

And MCW v. Marshall is bust v. bust IMO. I don’t like either of them.

[DolanCareParticipant]

People are definitely exaggerating how bad this class is. Honestly, when I hear someone go on and on about how bad 2013 is, I assume they don’t know that much about basketball. Jordo is correct by saying the biggest issue is the lack of top #1 talent.

True – there is no perennial All-Star. But there are so many players who aren’t household names that are great players. What team wouldn’t want Faried, Omer Asik, Afflalo? I’m not saying there are prospects with their specific skillset in this class…. but there are players who can make an equal impact.

I am confident that this class will bring great players who we will be talking about as soon as 2-3 years. Alex Len may be part of a dying breed of big, slower centers. But he is mobile, with good touch and signs of decent strength. KCP is a guard with good size, athleticism and a perfect picture shot.

As a forum, lets not slip into the shallow basketball talk that takes over ESPN clips. There is no superstar, no franchise changing player. But there are players that can start and produce.

[XYRYXParticipant]

Exactly what I was thinking. That this draft has no overwhelming top 3 talents who are going to change franchises is not great if you have a pick in the top 7 but then make the best out of it and trade down to get your hands on 2 or even 3 players in the 2nd half of the 1st round.

Look at the Bobcats for example. If they get a top 2 pick they can choose between BMac and Nerlens for example but may haven’t filled out the roster very well. Nerlens has no offensive game and Ben is a safe bet for not beeing a safe bet or a franchise changing talent.

Let’s say trade the pick to Atlanta for picks 18 and 20 which means Adetokoubo and KCP or Adams or McDermott along with a 2014 pick or something and grab a guy like Elias Harris with a very late 2nd round pick. This is a very good draft to me and way better than hoping one talent pans out.

I think this draftclass is filled with very good prospects and I absolutely love players which are available out of the top 20 like archie Goodwin, Rodney Williams or Jamaal Franklin.

A Draft is what you make out of it and if you can’t bring in a Franchise player, fill out the roster with talent. Houston was blasted for bringin in all the forwards but look at it now. They all show progress and potential and don’t sleep on the Rockets trying to make Homerun going after Dwight and they have plenty of assets to make a offer to the Lakers.

[lockdownD]

I would take Meyers Leonards over Alex Len all day, erry day.

[lockdownD]

But wait there is more…
Anthony Bennett vs Thomas Robinson
Isaiah Austin vs John Henson
Cody Zeller vs Tyller Zeller
Giannis Adetokunbo vs Moe Harkless
Kelly Olynyk vs Andrew Nicholson
Tony Mitchell vs Terrence Jones
Allen Crabbe vs Jeremy Lamb
Archie Goodwin vs Tony Wroten
CJ Leslie vs Perry Jones
Mitch Mcgary vs Jared Sullinger
Lorenzo Brown vs Jared Cunninham

[alingeParticipant]

Still going for 2012 in most cases
Robinson and Bennett equal
Henson beats Austin
Cody beats Tyler
Harkless beats the Greek Nigerian
Nicholson beats Olynyk
Jones beats Mitchell
Lamb beats Crabbe
Goodwin and Wroten equal
Jones beats Leslie
Mcgary beats Sullinger
Brown beats Cunningham

A lot closer on these ones but still 6-3 2012 in my view with a couple of ties

[MkadozaParticipant]

Two words: Nate Wolters.

I’m only half joking.

[lalailaParticipant]

you will never know..

I remember after stacked 2008 class people thought 2009 is only the draft of one player(Griffin)

look at this know:
Griffin perrenial allstar
but Harden gives him some business and looks like a franchise player too
Jrue Holiday already an allstar while the youngest player from that draft
Steph Curry better than Holiday already will be an allstar
Ricky Rubio as a true point guard can be better than both

then you have Jennings Derozan Evans who if not an allstar they will be at least a very good starters for a long time

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