[llperez]

 just got done watching the laker channel where they had three guys who were involved with brandon ingrams laker workout today. 2 of the guys were only allowed to participate in the q&a session while the third guy was able to actually watch his workout including his 2 vs 2 portion against coaching and training staff memebers. And the reporter who actually got to see the workout seemed far from impressed. The very first thing he said when asked how ingram looked was "well, lets just say it was no kobe workout". He then said that while ingram looked aggressive in the 2v2 portion, there was very little to take from it as the competition was so poor. One of the other reporters then responded that a big reason the lakers liked russell last season was his confidence during a dinner with team personnel when they brought him in. But one of the biggest things about ingram’s dinner that he pointed out was that Ingram admitted he wouldnt be surprised at all if he fell to #3. Apparently he was lacking some confidence. The 3 reporters then said the lakers are really looking forward to their workouts tommorow with jaylen brown and skal labissiere and that all options are open.

I dont want to sound like im going overboard, they defenitely said a lot of good things about ingram, said he could really shoot and has as much upside if not more then ben simmons. But overall this didnt come off as a glowing endorsment for ingram.

 

 

[Hype Machine]

 I’m not sure if I’m talking to Al Perez or L Perez, but I’ll give my 2cents anyways.

The answer is yes! I’ve been preaching that Ingram’s stock is down for a while now, but nobody wants to listen. See my previous thread (major negs), where I stated he was back in the pack with 3 or 4 other guys. I’ve updated my Mock accordingly because I beleive there’s going to be a trade that nets Philly the 2nd or 3rd pick where they can take a guard, and Lakers or Celtics move up to take Simmons. 

I haven’t heard anyone raving about Brandon Ingram workouts, and he’s been training in front of a lot of eyes in a group with  guys like Maker, Jamal Murray etc. And it’s really easy to get rave reviews from workouts because people who are priveledged enough to watch them have nothing to gain by saying that they were unimpressive and won’t get let into any in the future if they’re seen killing a prospects draft stock. 

Clearly, the guy has game and the physical tools to be a great player. But while everyone is questioning Ben Simmons mentality, people are snoozing on the passive, laid back personality of Brandon Ingram. Los Angeles isn’t the place for people lacking confidence…the fans want big personalities. 

I seriously think Brandon Ingram is a possibility to go between 3 and 7. Private workouts and interviews are huge these days…but Ingram is slipping into that Dunn, Murray, Bender, Brown category. He definitely isn’t 1a and 1b with Simmons anymore. 

Anyways, Kudos to those Lakers guys for speaking honestly about a workout.

 

 

 

 

[Al PerezParticipant]

 i love that you said that made me laugh……llperez is right though and I’ve been murdered for it on here but Ingram is no lock for #2 I adjusted my most recent mock draft and I don’t want to even get into that cuz I have -7 pts on that but anyways Ingram/Bender/Brown is gonna be a toss up…..Jaylen Brown’s stock is soaring…..because he has that confidence you need in an alpha dog and if he can learn to shoot. Hes atleast a Demar Derozan type player…atleast.

 

Side note- my mock got murdered for having Brown at 3, Richardson at 9, and probably Zizic at 14. But that’s for another thread.

 

 

[Al PerezParticipant]

 i love that you said that made me laugh……llperez is right though and I’ve been murdered for it on here but Ingram is no lock for #2 I adjusted my most recent mock draft and I don’t want to even get into that cuz I have -7 pts on that but anyways Ingram/Bender/Brown is gonna be a toss up…..Jaylen Brown’s stock is soaring…..because he has that confidence you need in an alpha dog and if he can learn to shoot. Hes atleast a Demar Derozan type player…atleast.

 

Side note- my mock got murdered for having Brown at 3, Richardson at 9, and probably Zizic at 14. But that’s for another thread.

 

 

[Hype Machine]

 I’m not sure if I’m talking to Al Perez or L Perez, but I’ll give my 2cents anyways.

The answer is yes! I’ve been preaching that Ingram’s stock is down for a while now, but nobody wants to listen. See my previous thread (major negs), where I stated he was back in the pack with 3 or 4 other guys. I’ve updated my Mock accordingly because I beleive there’s going to be a trade that nets Philly the 2nd or 3rd pick where they can take a guard, and Lakers or Celtics move up to take Simmons. 

I haven’t heard anyone raving about Brandon Ingram workouts, and he’s been training in front of a lot of eyes in a group with  guys like Maker, Jamal Murray etc. And it’s really easy to get rave reviews from workouts because people who are priveledged enough to watch them have nothing to gain by saying that they were unimpressive and won’t get let into any in the future if they’re seen killing a prospects draft stock. 

Clearly, the guy has game and the physical tools to be a great player. But while everyone is questioning Ben Simmons mentality, people are snoozing on the passive, laid back personality of Brandon Ingram. Los Angeles isn’t the place for people lacking confidence…the fans want big personalities. 

I seriously think Brandon Ingram is a possibility to go between 3 and 7. Private workouts and interviews are huge these days…but Ingram is slipping into that Dunn, Murray, Bender, Brown category. He definitely isn’t 1a and 1b with Simmons anymore. 

Anyways, Kudos to those Lakers guys for speaking honestly about a workout.

 

 

 

 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

How many guys are actually capable of a "Kobe workout"? Not many… If that’s the standard they’re holding Ingram to, then yea… He probably didn’t impress them. 

I don’t have a problem with Ingram saying he wouldn’t be surprised if he fell to #3. That doesn’t necessarily mean he’s lacking confidence. He’s just extremely humble IMO.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

How many guys are actually capable of a "Kobe workout"? Not many… If that’s the standard they’re holding Ingram to, then yea… He probably didn’t impress them. 

I don’t have a problem with Ingram saying he wouldn’t be surprised if he fell to #3. That doesn’t necessarily mean he’s lacking confidence. He’s just extremely humble IMO.

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 In my opinion it basically comes down to, if not him then who?  I’m not on the Chriss train yet.  I do like Bender but man, I feel like the Lakers front office would get killed if they took Bender and I am not sure they risk it.  Murray and Hield are kind of redundant.  That leaves Brown.  Another wing and when you compare him to Ingram, I don’t think he is better than him now and I don’t think he has the higher upside.   At least not difinitively.  

At worst you know you are getting a guy who can shoot, kind of guard but at worst take up a lot of space and has proved that he is a pretty heady player that can play within the confines of a system.  I don’t mind a laid back personality.  Success comes in all shapes and sizes.  I’m also not worried about his weight.  He looks like he will be able to bulk up a little bit.  

My only real concern in regards to Ingram is his athleticism.  He isn’t the most explosive athlete right now and in the future it could go basically one of three ways.  

He either adds weight and doesn’t lose any of his athleticism.

He adds weight and while doing that decreases what little explosiveness he currently has.

He gets bigger but also gets more explosive.  Essentially just growing into his body.

How that plays out is ultimately going to decide what kind of player he will be in my opinion.

Ultimately I think he is still the 2nd pick.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 In my opinion it basically comes down to, if not him then who?  I’m not on the Chriss train yet.  I do like Bender but man, I feel like the Lakers front office would get killed if they took Bender and I am not sure they risk it.  Murray and Hield are kind of redundant.  That leaves Brown.  Another wing and when you compare him to Ingram, I don’t think he is better than him now and I don’t think he has the higher upside.   At least not difinitively.  

At worst you know you are getting a guy who can shoot, kind of guard but at worst take up a lot of space and has proved that he is a pretty heady player that can play within the confines of a system.  I don’t mind a laid back personality.  Success comes in all shapes and sizes.  I’m also not worried about his weight.  He looks like he will be able to bulk up a little bit.  

My only real concern in regards to Ingram is his athleticism.  He isn’t the most explosive athlete right now and in the future it could go basically one of three ways.  

He either adds weight and doesn’t lose any of his athleticism.

He adds weight and while doing that decreases what little explosiveness he currently has.

He gets bigger but also gets more explosive.  Essentially just growing into his body.

How that plays out is ultimately going to decide what kind of player he will be in my opinion.

Ultimately I think he is still the 2nd pick.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[I CALLED GAMEParticipant]

 Theres know way in hell Ingram falls to 3 not with LA picking 2nd, the only way the Lakers take another player is if Simmons isnt picked 1st 

[I CALLED GAMEParticipant]

 Theres know way in hell Ingram falls to 3 not with LA picking 2nd, the only way the Lakers take another player is if Simmons isnt picked 1st 

[MopgrassParticipant]

 As a Laker fan, I’ll probably stomp on my TV if L.A. Drafts anyone but Ingram. I don’t care about a singular workout not going well. Ingram has game intensity and I’ve seen it. Naturally, if you listen to Ingram speak, it sounds like he could fall asleep at any given time. He saves the energy for the game. Not only do I think he’s the best player available, I think he’s the best fit available. 

Kupcheck did say there’s not as big a separation between 2 and 3 as most believe, and I think that alternative is either Jaylen Brown (I love, but won’t spread the floor for the worst 3 point shooting team) or Jamal Murray (he’s undersized, without much defensive potential for a team without much defensive potential). If they got Murray, there’s talk about playing Clarkson at the 3. They might be working toward this. In the offseason Clarkson has been hitting the gym and looks ridiculously yoked, probably to play the 3. Perhaps that’s them tipping their hand that they’re going with Murray. Or maybe this is how they’ll get Clarkson to play reasonable defense.

Either way, Ingram would make all of this easier. 

[I CALLED GAMEParticipant]

 From what i watched and read the workout/  dinner went great 

[I CALLED GAMEParticipant]

 From what i watched and read the workout/  dinner went great 

[Hype Machine]

I never known an elite athlete to look so sleepy all the time.

As a former bigtime stoner myself, Im pretty sure I know a pothead when I see one. 

Even when he plays he doesnt seem to expend any extra energy. Hes just so long and fluid that he dominates anyway.

Makes me wish I could be that productive when I was baked. 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Lol. Have you ever seen Tracy mcgrady play? He used to look like he was sleepwalking through half the game and would still drop 40 in his prime.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Lol. Have you ever seen Tracy mcgrady play? He used to look like he was sleepwalking through half the game and would still drop 40 in his prime.

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

Yea… T-Mac and Pippen always struck me as 2 guys who looked sleepy all the time. And of course, that did not indicate that they lacked energy.

[Jr. ROXASParticipant]

Yea… T-Mac and Pippen always struck me as 2 guys who looked sleepy all the time. And of course, that did not indicate that they lacked energy.

[Hype Machine]

I never known an elite athlete to look so sleepy all the time.

As a former bigtime stoner myself, Im pretty sure I know a pothead when I see one. 

Even when he plays he doesnt seem to expend any extra energy. Hes just so long and fluid that he dominates anyway.

Makes me wish I could be that productive when I was baked. 

[MopgrassParticipant]

 As a Laker fan, I’ll probably stomp on my TV if L.A. Drafts anyone but Ingram. I don’t care about a singular workout not going well. Ingram has game intensity and I’ve seen it. Naturally, if you listen to Ingram speak, it sounds like he could fall asleep at any given time. He saves the energy for the game. Not only do I think he’s the best player available, I think he’s the best fit available. 

Kupcheck did say there’s not as big a separation between 2 and 3 as most believe, and I think that alternative is either Jaylen Brown (I love, but won’t spread the floor for the worst 3 point shooting team) or Jamal Murray (he’s undersized, without much defensive potential for a team without much defensive potential). If they got Murray, there’s talk about playing Clarkson at the 3. They might be working toward this. In the offseason Clarkson has been hitting the gym and looks ridiculously yoked, probably to play the 3. Perhaps that’s them tipping their hand that they’re going with Murray. Or maybe this is how they’ll get Clarkson to play reasonable defense.

Either way, Ingram would make all of this easier. 

[I CALLED GAMEParticipant]

 The Lakers have no reason to not take Ingram if he’s not taken 1st he checks ever box for them, he would be considered BPA and best fit for there team the Lakers front office is hoping he falls to them he weigh in at 195 he can gain 10 to 15 pounds and be at 205 or 210 that would be great for him, the Lakers value Ingram more then any other prospect they worked out 

[I CALLED GAMEParticipant]

 The Lakers have no reason to not take Ingram if he’s not taken 1st he checks ever box for them, he would be considered BPA and best fit for there team the Lakers front office is hoping he falls to them he weigh in at 195 he can gain 10 to 15 pounds and be at 205 or 210 that would be great for him, the Lakers value Ingram more then any other prospect they worked out 

[theballerwayParticipant]

like McGrady had similar sleepy eyes. If he slips its because Phila did something like draft Murray 1st and even then it might just be simmons who slips. Teams might like his talent but d you want to break your roster down to accomodate him. Imagine not picking a guy over a dinner question lol the number of interviews and test they must give these top picks makes that seem crazy

 

[theballerwayParticipant]

like McGrady had similar sleepy eyes. If he slips its because Phila did something like draft Murray 1st and even then it might just be simmons who slips. Teams might like his talent but d you want to break your roster down to accomodate him. Imagine not picking a guy over a dinner question lol the number of interviews and test they must give these top picks makes that seem crazy

 

[circumlocution75Participant]

 he is Not an Explosive athlete w/ an Elite 1st step

I like him but I don’t "Luv him"

Ingram was Not the Top scorer on his own team at Duke & he really struggles w/ keeping his Balance when Bodied b/c he doesn’t have that Elite 1st step to blow thru Traffic

I would consider J.Murray, Chriss & Bender right there w/ Ingram

 

 

 

 

[markfitz14Participant]

"he is Not an Explosive athlete w/ an Elite 1st step" Agreed with this. He has great skill and size. But those chicken legs tho! He does not have that freak athlete like when you watched Durant workout. 

[markfitz14Participant]

"he is Not an Explosive athlete w/ an Elite 1st step" Agreed with this. He has great skill and size. But those chicken legs tho! He does not have that freak athlete like when you watched Durant workout. 

[circumlocution75Participant]

 he is Not an Explosive athlete w/ an Elite 1st step

I like him but I don’t "Luv him"

Ingram was Not the Top scorer on his own team at Duke & he really struggles w/ keeping his Balance when Bodied b/c he doesn’t have that Elite 1st step to blow thru Traffic

I would consider J.Murray, Chriss & Bender right there w/ Ingram

 

 

 

 

[sitlbitoParticipant]

 Any chance rule says he "can" fall outside the top 2. That doesn’t mean it would be a good choice by the Lkers. Actually it would be quite stupid.

[sitlbitoParticipant]

 Any chance rule says he "can" fall outside the top 2. That doesn’t mean it would be a good choice by the Lkers. Actually it would be quite stupid.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Ive been saying I would seriously consider taking Murray over Ingram and not because Ingrams stock went down its just Murrays went up. 

 

Its possible the Lakers could fall in love

  with the idea of pairing Russel with Murray and then going after a SF like George or Durant in FA.  

 

 

[220Participant]

 Surprising things happen. Last year Jahlil Okafor went from a lock to number one, to definitely top two, and finally going third after getting passed by D’Angelo Russell. No one had Russell going second until the week of the draft where everything said he’d be going before Okafor. 

Another surprise case is the Pistons passing on Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade, and a lot of better players to draft Darko Milicic second. For all the Milicic hype most people believed the Pistons should’ve taken Carmelo of Bosh and clearly either would have been a better choice.

Weird things happen from time to time at the draft when teams outthink themselves.

 

 

[220Participant]

 Surprising things happen. Last year Jahlil Okafor went from a lock to number one, to definitely top two, and finally going third after getting passed by D’Angelo Russell. No one had Russell going second until the week of the draft where everything said he’d be going before Okafor. 

Another surprise case is the Pistons passing on Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade, and a lot of better players to draft Darko Milicic second. For all the Milicic hype most people believed the Pistons should’ve taken Carmelo of Bosh and clearly either would have been a better choice.

Weird things happen from time to time at the draft when teams outthink themselves.

 

 

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Ive been saying I would seriously consider taking Murray over Ingram and not because Ingrams stock went down its just Murrays went up. 

 

Its possible the Lakers could fall in love

  with the idea of pairing Russel with Murray and then going after a SF like George or Durant in FA.  

 

 

[Make’Em Say UGHParticipant]

Celtics would be laughing all the way to the ECF

[Make’Em Say UGHParticipant]

Celtics would be laughing all the way to the ECF

[I CALLED GAMEParticipant]

 Thats where people get it wrong worried about these prospects stock all stock is, is the latest buzz on the player, look at his all around game the only thing he needs to work on is his body, Phily would be dumb to pass on Simmons & the Lakers would be in the dog house with fan if passed on Ingram to grab another player out of this draft Ingram will probably get another workout with LA the Lakers fan went crazy on Twitter yesterday because Ingram was working out, The Lakers front office are on the same page with Luke Walton he wants to run a fast pace 3 ball run and gun offense they have gaurds they worked out Ellenson for the stretch 5 spot but Ingram is what they are missing now that kobe is gone and they could wait until next years draft but theres a possibility they my not get the pick again why not take Ingram if they do horrible next season its some better bug in next years draft they could target that why they should only sign on max player if any, but they could sign some trade bate type of players to get picks for next years draft 

[I CALLED GAMEParticipant]

 Thats where people get it wrong worried about these prospects stock all stock is, is the latest buzz on the player, look at his all around game the only thing he needs to work on is his body, Phily would be dumb to pass on Simmons & the Lakers would be in the dog house with fan if passed on Ingram to grab another player out of this draft Ingram will probably get another workout with LA the Lakers fan went crazy on Twitter yesterday because Ingram was working out, The Lakers front office are on the same page with Luke Walton he wants to run a fast pace 3 ball run and gun offense they have gaurds they worked out Ellenson for the stretch 5 spot but Ingram is what they are missing now that kobe is gone and they could wait until next years draft but theres a possibility they my not get the pick again why not take Ingram if they do horrible next season its some better bug in next years draft they could target that why they should only sign on max player if any, but they could sign some trade bate type of players to get picks for next years draft 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Unless something major happens in the next 2 weeks that significantly impacts his stock there is no possible way. Only other player the Lakers would even remotely consider taking over him besides Simmons is Bender, but I highly doubt they would. While benders size and skill set is intriguing, he just seems like far more of an unknown than ingram right now. Ingram is the safer pick and the guy they should take. If they pass on bender and he turns out to be a stud you live with it. If they pass on ingram and bender turns out to be a bust they will never hear the end of it.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Unless something major happens in the next 2 weeks that significantly impacts his stock there is no possible way. Only other player the Lakers would even remotely consider taking over him besides Simmons is Bender, but I highly doubt they would. While benders size and skill set is intriguing, he just seems like far more of an unknown than ingram right now. Ingram is the safer pick and the guy they should take. If they pass on bender and he turns out to be a stud you live with it. If they pass on ingram and bender turns out to be a bust they will never hear the end of it.

[TheLastWordParticipant]

Murray has been gaining a ton of momentum lately. His ability to shoot the ball off the dribble at any point on the floor has GMs salivating. A bigger CJ McCollum is not out of the question as a player comp. He could defenitely go 2.

[TheLastWordParticipant]

Murray has been gaining a ton of momentum lately. His ability to shoot the ball off the dribble at any point on the floor has GMs salivating. A bigger CJ McCollum is not out of the question as a player comp. He could defenitely go 2.

[DanielcmccartyParticipant]

 Ingram is going number #2. I’d bet my checks on it

[DanielcmccartyParticipant]

 Ingram is going number #2. I’d bet my checks on it

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