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  • #63847
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    rope
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     So, it has beena announced that the NBA is going to look into the rash of questionable results for max reach / vertical jumps.  Clearly guys are fudging it and it is really hard to tell if you have fudged too much – like Jaylen Brown’s reach being 3 inches shorter than in the past and guys that are 6′ 8" who supposedly only reach a little higher than a standard ceiling – something I can do at 6′ 2".

    I think the obvious answer here is to get rid of the two "net" measurements – one step and max vertical and simply replace them with how hig you can touch.  It is a more relevant number anyway, unless you are hiring guys to leap over mascots.

    I actually think that cheating yourself of a couple inches of standing reach is not a great idea if you are getting assessed.  Everyone knows long arms are a great equalizer, easily as much as how high you can jump.  Most of the game is actually played on the ground.

    I remember when people first started talking about vertical jump in terms of how high your feet supposedly get off the floor.  It was when David Thompson – The Skywalker – was in his prime.  They talked about him being able to jump over cars and other objects, so the gap between him and the ground became a thing.  Prior to that the discussion was about whether a guy could touch the top of the backboard, or even lay a quarter on the top edge.  

    The vertical jump is sexy, but it really includes an unnecessary math problem of how high you can touch jumping minus how high you can touch standing.  Take this out and now you have no reason for a guy to short arm it a bit in the reach measurements.  It really is a simple enough problem to solve.

     

     

     

     

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  • #1064711
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    The NBA could just hire people who know: 1.) how to use a ruler (you start all the way at the end with the zero) AND 2.) how to subtract. 

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    The NBA could just hire people who know: 1.) how to use a ruler (you start all the way at the end with the zero) AND 2.) how to subtract. 

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  • #1064721
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     u r overthinking this rope. Like usfballer said earlier, it is unacceptable how they got this wrong. How hard is it to make sure the player is standing straight, then measure their standing reach, then determine what is the highest point the player touched, then subtracting the standing reach from that. It ain’t fucking rocket science. It should be easy as hell.

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  • #1064596
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     u r overthinking this rope. Like usfballer said earlier, it is unacceptable how they got this wrong. How hard is it to make sure the player is standing straight, then measure their standing reach, then determine what is the highest point the player touched, then subtracting the standing reach from that. It ain’t fucking rocket science. It should be easy as hell.

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     The combine has really go to get their stuff together. Lottery picks aren’t even doing athletic testing and then they mess up the one thing prospects will come in for which is measurements. Come on guys T-Rex would’ve given more accurate measurements if testing the Celtics! Not gonna help the combines case for a deep 2017 draft.

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  • #1064598
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     The combine has really go to get their stuff together. Lottery picks aren’t even doing athletic testing and then they mess up the one thing prospects will come in for which is measurements. Come on guys T-Rex would’ve given more accurate measurements if testing the Celtics! Not gonna help the combines case for a deep 2017 draft.

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  • #1064735
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    rope
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     When you are reaching as far as you can, you are naturally stretching.  It is not a ruler thing.  There is no good way to tell if someone is full extending themselves.  The vertical jump calculation gets so much more attention, there is almost an incentive to short arm the vertical reach measurement.The people overthinking it are the ones that make a separate math problem out of something that is better explained by the two original pieces of data.  

    Earth to the top of your head, earth to the top of your extended hand, earth to the top of your  extended hand when jumping.  This is what is called a basis in math and science.  

    If they really wanted to figure out how hight someone’s feet get off the ground, it would be very simple to measure that without trying to approximate it from how high they can touch when they jump.

     

     

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  • #1064610
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     When you are reaching as far as you can, you are naturally stretching.  It is not a ruler thing.  There is no good way to tell if someone is full extending themselves.  The vertical jump calculation gets so much more attention, there is almost an incentive to short arm the vertical reach measurement.The people overthinking it are the ones that make a separate math problem out of something that is better explained by the two original pieces of data.  

    Earth to the top of your head, earth to the top of your extended hand, earth to the top of your  extended hand when jumping.  This is what is called a basis in math and science.  

    If they really wanted to figure out how hight someone’s feet get off the ground, it would be very simple to measure that without trying to approximate it from how high they can touch when they jump.

     

     

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