[Mr. BasketballParticipant]

For all of those that are calling the Clippers stupid for not protecting the pick, IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE!  Why? because they already had traded their 2012 first round pick (top 10 protected) to the Thunder.  Therefore, what would have happened if the Clippers won the lottery today, then the pick was deffered to 2012 for the Cavs due to the Clippers keeping this pick because of the hypothetical protections, and then next year, two teams would own the Clippers 1st round pick if the Clippers had a pick outside of the top ten.  As a result, the Clippers COULD NOT HAVE PROTECTED THE PICK!!!!!!  Glad that that has been settled.

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

Please explain why the hell they traded a lottery pick for Mo Williams and Jamario Moon???…I can tell you why , because they are the worst franchise in pro sports…when BLAKE leaves in free agency his reason why will be as simple as saying, “Mo Williams people, they gave me Mo Williams”…

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

ScareCrow is back!  He’s at 0 points!  He’s out of negatives!!

I’ll give you your first point.

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

The world isn’t right unless the Heat lose and The Scarecrow is in the negatives…

[Sasha4MVPParticipant]

"when BLAKE leaves in free agency his reason why will be as simple as saying, "Mo Williams people, they gave me Mo Williams""

Lol LeBron was thinking the same thing.

 

 

 

[204ballerParticipant]

They traded the pick because they also wanted to get rid of Baron Davis and his huge contract.

[butidonthavemoney]

Williams’ contract was just as long as Davis’. They’re both signed through the 2013 season. The Clippers made the trade to save some money.

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

I agree No Dough, they really only saved a few million, the pick they gave away would have helped them out immensely, as it ended up being a very high pick, they have the Wolves pick next year , but that will be after another year of bad basketball…I can see J.A Adonda talking about Griffin to the Lakers for Andrew Bynum and a bag of smelly socks in the near future…the Clippers really dropped the ball again…no explanation can wipe away the stain of another failed year…

[butidonthavemoney]

To be absolutely fair, it was roughly $14 million dollars.

The trade wasn’t a horrible idea, as the pick wasn’t supposed to be this high. It’s just the kind of luck that the Clippers have. Try to make a good business decision and you end up getting screwed.

In hindsight, we can obviously say it was a mistake. But as Kurtis Blow once mentioned, sometimes those are the breaks.

[esperanzafleet69Participant]

im sure stern would have found some way for cleveland to get it..

[HitsterParticipant]

To give up a $14 million salary dump which the Clippers did by swapping Davis and Williams usually requires a big sweetner so a draft pick was always the likely price for that. Look at what Phoenix gave up to dump Kurt Thomas’s contract with the Thunder or Houston got from NYK to effectively shift Jeffries deal last year. Unfortunately for Clippers it was the pick that came up first so Cleveland got the best possible result.

As regards trading picks, we all know that future picks cannot be traded in successive so how were the Clippers able to move their 2011 pick when potentially their 2012 pick could go as well. We know that a team could have moved their 2010 pick and then after that draft move their 2011 pick as effectively the 2010 pick is in the past. The only way I can see was that the earliest the pick could go to the Thunder was 2012 so it wasn’t definitely going that year.

[kobyzParticipant]

you can say bad luck and that the trade was not a bad idea with small chance for a high pick, things to justify Clippers decision, but it’s not the right way of looking at this.

the thing is when you have Blake Griffin you should never make decisions based on business, moves of saving money, with Griffin on your team you should never make moves involved financial reasons, only pure moves to make the team the best, so you saved money now but think of this when Blake will leave in a faw years because of this bad management and then you will lose money that what you save now is nothing in comparison.

 this lottery is a punishment for the organization for their greediness.

[marcusfizer21Participant]

 I like to think of this as that.. the Cavs need this more than the Clippers… We all know Blake is  a stud and the Clips are glad to have him… The Cavs however need a lot of help they can get… To have 2 top 4 picks is a good start for a team who were in disarray… Now I’m looking forward to Chris Grant’s decision-making…

[johnecoParticipant]

The clippers could have protected the pick – there’s no rule that says you have to give up your next year’s pick if the protection kicks in this year, they could have said that if we can’t give you this year’s pick we owe you one in 2014, or never, or whatever they wanted, it’s a matter of negotiation.

Anyway, what you are saying cannot be true, since it implies the clippers will have no 1st rounder this year OR next year, which is not allowed.

Sorry Clippers fans, Kyrie Irving to Blake for the next 10 years would have been sweet.  I feel your pain…

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

Chris Grant will have the first double top 4 pick since Chicago back in 2001 so will have a couple of big decisions to make. He will be able to take either Williams or Irving so should have a good chance of getting at least one star player with the 4th pick, I’d guess that he’d look to compliment the 1st pick i.e not draft say both Irving and Knight or Williams and Vesley etc. He could take Williams and a specialist frontcourter for example maybe Kanter or say Irving and Kanter.

Personally I prefer Williams for the Cavs but Irving isn’t far behind and a lot will depend on how the workouts go and with Coach Scott having had success with a young Chris Paul then Irving would have a lot of appeal to him. Although this will be the first draft that Chris Grant has headed up, he has been at the team a fair few years and knows the organization well so Cleveland will be in fairly safe hands and Coach Scott will be able to give a considerable amount of imput.

Hopefully Dan Gilbert will give the team time as with two high picks to compliment Hickson, Varejo, Eyenga etc.the team will need to settle and they can still do deals with LeBron’s exception, Jamieson’s expiring 2011 deal, the future picks from Miami but they need to be the right deals and another lottery trip to the loaded 2012 draft will not do them any harm.

If they take Irving then I’d guess that both Sessions and Gibson will be on the block as Baron Davis’s big deal would be hard to move and they would probably want him to help mentor Irving along

 

[ghrghrParticipant]

johneco, the clippers traded their pick to the thunder who gave it to the celtics, it’s top 10 protected until 2016. They would have to give the Cavaliers a 2017 pick, which is worth close to nothing right now.

What they could have done is protecting the pick top 5 this year and for the next few years until 2016, give the pick to cleveland if it’s in the 5-10 range and give it to boston if it’s lower than 10. If Boston gets the pick in 2013, then the next year any pick lower than 5 goes to cleveland. I don’t know if a deal like this one is possible, and probably a GM wouldn’t even look at this, because it’s too complicated.

[Forte IVParticipant]

The Clippers are already young enough. Plus next year the draft is expcted to be 10 times better, and they have the Wolves unprotected 1st round pick.

[kevnix5Participant]

I don’t think that pick would have ended up being number 1 if the clips still had it or had it protected. The NBA wanted Cleveland to get two top five picks. Its pretty clear the top pick is often rigged in the lottery. Cleveland just happened to get the top pick when Lebron was in the draft, same with D Rose and Chicago. Cleveland was getting the top pick no matter what.

[cecilfivbParticipant]

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