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- Posted on: Wed, 10/15/2014 - 2:21pm #58144
casey38rayParticipantThese two teams seems to be the consensus teams that will make the Eastern Conference Finals. And majority say that the Cavs is the favorite to win the Finals. I will have to disagree because that Chicago is an overall better team than the Cavs. They have several things that Chicago is better than. They are a better defensive team, more depth, better coached, more experienced, and much more. I’m going thank go on about match ups for both teams
PG: Derrick Rose vs. Kyrie Irving.
Everybody will say " if Derrick Rose stays healthy " and Derrick Rose will get injured again ". If you say that you have to say the same thing about Kyrie Irving who never played a full 82 game NBA season and it seems like after the all star break every season he misses significant time dealing with injuries. So I will take Derrick Rose in this match up based on being able to slow him down one on one and being that Kyrie Irving is and poor defender Derrick Rose have the easy match up due to poor defense by Kyrie and no rum protection.
SG: Mike Dunlevy vs. Dion Waiters
I don’t know if Kyrie Irving and him gel together ( and don’t say LeBron James will make them gel because he’s not Dr. Phil ). Back to the match up on the team perspective, Dion Waiters don’t fit in with what Cleveland wants to do, he’s a JR Smith clone will mess the flow up on a team. He’s better than Mike Dunlevy but in what’s better for the team, Mike Dunlevy plays his system better than Dion Waiters does and that I fell like Dion Waiters is a ball hog.
SF: Jimmy Butler vs. LeBron James
In the past LeBron James struggle against Jimmy Butler when he’s guarding. And if you deny that LeBron James struggle against Jimmy Butler than you are delusional. Jimmy Butler ( in my opinion ) guards LeBron James better than any other player in this league. Jimmy Butler won’t give you much on the offensive side of the ball but he will make LeBron James struggle/work for his shots
PF: Joakim Noah vs Kevin Love
Joakim Noah is known as the best a great defender and being able to guard the perimeter as well as the post. So this is a favorable match up for Joakim Noah because he can neutralize Kevin Love skills. And Kevin Love will have a tough time scoring against the active Noah.
C: Pau Gasol vs. Tristan Thompson
This match up is a mismatch on both offense and on defense with Pau Gasol and his post game / mid range game / passing game.
Bench: Taj Gibson, Kirk Hinrich, Doug McDermott, Nikola Mirotic, Tony Snell, Aaron Brooks vs. Matt Dellevadova, Shawn Marion, Andy V., Mike Miller
This have Bulls mismatch all over it with the shooting, defending, and post game. Taj Gibson is the best player on the bench for both teams and his new post game helps the Bulls bench a lot because he’s another go to option. As for the Cavs they don’t have a go to option on their bench. The back up point guard position is a massive sweep with the experience alone in the playoffs. They do have Mike Miller and Shawn Marion that are go vets. The bench goes to Bulls.
Coaches: Coach Thibs vs. Coach Blatt
Due to never coached in a NBA game I have to go with the Thibs because he is a top 3 coach in this league and always in the running for coach of the year. Don’t just predict that David Blatt will succeed in the league because he did in Europe. Let him coach in the league and let us see what he does in the playoffs.
Overall:
The Bulls are a better team overall and have a better coach.
P.S The Cavs commentators / broadcast team is so annoying
P.S.S I know I’m going to get negged hard for this because there’s a lot of new Cavs fans.
P.S.S.S I’m not a Bulls fan or do I hate the Cavs.
NEG ON!!!!!!! I STATE NOTHING BUT FACTS.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 10/15/2014 - 4:07pm #951387

rich.homie.mitchParticipantYes Jimmy can play LeBron good, but LeBron will still get his points. To shut down LeBron you need good team defense, like the Mavs did in 2010-2011. Just not one person can shut down LeBron, but the bulls do have a great team defese so. Good post
0 - Posted on: Wed, 10/15/2014 - 4:07pm #951521

rich.homie.mitchParticipantYes Jimmy can play LeBron good, but LeBron will still get his points. To shut down LeBron you need good team defense, like the Mavs did in 2010-2011. Just not one person can shut down LeBron, but the bulls do have a great team defese so. Good post
0 - Posted on: Wed, 10/15/2014 - 4:38pm #951391

nick5354ParticipantIt is hard to pick the Cavs as they are unproved as a team. Better to reassess this question after the all-star break and see how this new Cavs team is progressing along.
Also, I know how annoying the broadcast team is. I know Austin Carr is a Cavs legend and royalty in the city but my god he is an awful commentator
0 - Posted on: Wed, 10/15/2014 - 4:38pm #951525

nick5354ParticipantIt is hard to pick the Cavs as they are unproved as a team. Better to reassess this question after the all-star break and see how this new Cavs team is progressing along.
Also, I know how annoying the broadcast team is. I know Austin Carr is a Cavs legend and royalty in the city but my god he is an awful commentator
0 - Posted on: Wed, 10/15/2014 - 5:07pm #951397

King CaluchaParticipantBoth great teams. I need to see more from the Cavs… too early to tell.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 10/15/2014 - 5:07pm #951531

King CaluchaParticipantBoth great teams. I need to see more from the Cavs… too early to tell.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 10/15/2014 - 7:26pm #951409
thricethefunParticipantI’ll take the field over both those teams meeting in the ECF. People are seriously sleeping on the Raptors this year. And didn’t the Wizards just beat the bulls in the playoffs last season?
0- Posted on: Wed, 10/15/2014 - 7:53pm #951415

nick5354ParticipantI think last years bulls that team looked absolutely beat and spent by the end of the season. I feel like the Bulls have come back refreshed and ready to put together a 1-2 seed season. They will get back Rose who they were missing, and have added Pau Gasol which is huge. Plus they have nice additions of Mcbuckets and Mirotić.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 10/15/2014 - 7:53pm #951549

nick5354ParticipantI think last years bulls that team looked absolutely beat and spent by the end of the season. I feel like the Bulls have come back refreshed and ready to put together a 1-2 seed season. They will get back Rose who they were missing, and have added Pau Gasol which is huge. Plus they have nice additions of Mcbuckets and Mirotić.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 10/15/2014 - 7:56pm #951417

ChewyParticipanttrying to compare last year’s Bulls team to this years?
If the Bulls had Rose, Gasol, McDermott and Mirotic last year they would have waxed the Wizards.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 10/15/2014 - 7:56pm #951551

ChewyParticipanttrying to compare last year’s Bulls team to this years?
If the Bulls had Rose, Gasol, McDermott and Mirotic last year they would have waxed the Wizards.
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- Posted on: Wed, 10/15/2014 - 7:26pm #951543
thricethefunParticipantI’ll take the field over both those teams meeting in the ECF. People are seriously sleeping on the Raptors this year. And didn’t the Wizards just beat the bulls in the playoffs last season?
0 - Posted on: Thu, 10/16/2014 - 2:23am #951571

druneave3ParticipantOk, a few of your points are valid and the have a deeper, more versatile team but does that mean you think the Bulls will ultimately beat the Cavs in a 7 game series? This will be a great matchup for years to come but the Cavs have Lebron James. Surrounding the best player on the planet with the player chosen as the starting PG on the U.S. National Team and also the starting PF (had he played) is almost unfair.
Some of your “facts” are incorrect. Jimmy Butler is probably one of LeBron’s toughest matchups. Butler is a great defender who gives constant effort but you should look LeBron’s numbers against the Bulls and Jimmy. As a Bulls fan I can surely recall some epic performances against them. Just like he does against everyone! Again, Noah is a versatile, premier defender at his position. However, He has not had great success versus Love in the the past. Noah is extremely quick and agile for a near 7 footer but he has had trouble stopping Love from deep. Love was also able to do damage near the rim against the DPOY using his creativity and post moves to score. He also tourched Taj in their 1v1.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 10/16/2014 - 2:23am #951437

druneave3ParticipantOk, a few of your points are valid and the have a deeper, more versatile team but does that mean you think the Bulls will ultimately beat the Cavs in a 7 game series? This will be a great matchup for years to come but the Cavs have Lebron James. Surrounding the best player on the planet with the player chosen as the starting PG on the U.S. National Team and also the starting PF (had he played) is almost unfair.
Some of your “facts” are incorrect. Jimmy Butler is probably one of LeBron’s toughest matchups. Butler is a great defender who gives constant effort but you should look LeBron’s numbers against the Bulls and Jimmy. As a Bulls fan I can surely recall some epic performances against them. Just like he does against everyone! Again, Noah is a versatile, premier defender at his position. However, He has not had great success versus Love in the the past. Noah is extremely quick and agile for a near 7 footer but he has had trouble stopping Love from deep. Love was also able to do damage near the rim against the DPOY using his creativity and post moves to score. He also tourched Taj in their 1v1.
0- Posted on: Thu, 10/16/2014 - 5:53am #951597
casey38rayParticipantI didn’t say he totally shut LeBron James down. I said he give him fits and LeBron James struggle to put up points against Jimmy Butler. You won’t say that Kawhi Leonard shut him down, but if you watch the Heat vs. Spurs last year you will see that LeBron James was having some struggles in that series because of him. It’s the same way with Jimmy Butler. I said LeBron James will put up his numbers, but he often times struggle to run the offense and the offense isn’t run smoothly. You act like I don’t know what I’m talking about here. I watch Bulls vs. Heat for the past couple years because it’s one of the best rivalries in the league.
Last year against Chicago Kevin Love averaged 24 and 8 against Chicago, but he shot 40 percent from the field and 29 percent from the 3. That means that he struggled against Chicago and I watched the games and he struggled a lot in those games.
Like I said I stated nothing but facts and I knew I would get negged a lot because yall sensitive to the truth and won’t understand the facts.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 10/16/2014 - 5:53am #951462
casey38rayParticipantI didn’t say he totally shut LeBron James down. I said he give him fits and LeBron James struggle to put up points against Jimmy Butler. You won’t say that Kawhi Leonard shut him down, but if you watch the Heat vs. Spurs last year you will see that LeBron James was having some struggles in that series because of him. It’s the same way with Jimmy Butler. I said LeBron James will put up his numbers, but he often times struggle to run the offense and the offense isn’t run smoothly. You act like I don’t know what I’m talking about here. I watch Bulls vs. Heat for the past couple years because it’s one of the best rivalries in the league.
Last year against Chicago Kevin Love averaged 24 and 8 against Chicago, but he shot 40 percent from the field and 29 percent from the 3. That means that he struggled against Chicago and I watched the games and he struggled a lot in those games.
Like I said I stated nothing but facts and I knew I would get negged a lot because yall sensitive to the truth and won’t understand the facts.
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- Posted on: Thu, 10/16/2014 - 2:38am #951573

A Lil EnglishParticipantI’ll take the Bulls in the regular season but when playoffs come the Cavs would probably have it figured out to win a 7 game series
0 - Posted on: Thu, 10/16/2014 - 2:38am #951439

A Lil EnglishParticipantI’ll take the Bulls in the regular season but when playoffs come the Cavs would probably have it figured out to win a 7 game series
0 - Posted on: Thu, 10/16/2014 - 5:27am #951593

tuck243ParticipantI see your point, but I think people are giving too much love to the Bulls. The only new players on the Cavs are LeBron and Kevin Love. So far, both look good together and is a better fit than when LeBron went to the Heat. Waiters being a ball hog is irrelevant because LeBron and Kyrie will get most of the ball handling duties. Waiters 3pt shot needs to improve to be consistent, but he also shown that he’s able to play tough defense when needed. No way you take Mike D over Waiters…
The Bulls have Derrick Rose, but he hasn’t played a full season in 2 years and Pau Gasol who haven’t played a full season in 3 years. Not to mention is 34 years old right now. I think Pau is better than Boozer, but only slightly in the regular season. Pau is going to be worth it in the playoffs. Boozer was the worst All-Star player I’ve seen in the playoffs. Year after year, OMG… But my point is the Bulls aren’t a lock to be the best team in the East. Any team with LeBron and 2 other All-Stars should.
WAY too early to give Thibs the better coaching nod. I agree with what a poster said, let’s wait until the All-Star to revisit this. Especially comparing the coaches.
BTW, the best defense I’ve seen on LeBron is Melo. They just don’t guard each other for the whole game.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 10/16/2014 - 5:27am #951458

tuck243ParticipantI see your point, but I think people are giving too much love to the Bulls. The only new players on the Cavs are LeBron and Kevin Love. So far, both look good together and is a better fit than when LeBron went to the Heat. Waiters being a ball hog is irrelevant because LeBron and Kyrie will get most of the ball handling duties. Waiters 3pt shot needs to improve to be consistent, but he also shown that he’s able to play tough defense when needed. No way you take Mike D over Waiters…
The Bulls have Derrick Rose, but he hasn’t played a full season in 2 years and Pau Gasol who haven’t played a full season in 3 years. Not to mention is 34 years old right now. I think Pau is better than Boozer, but only slightly in the regular season. Pau is going to be worth it in the playoffs. Boozer was the worst All-Star player I’ve seen in the playoffs. Year after year, OMG… But my point is the Bulls aren’t a lock to be the best team in the East. Any team with LeBron and 2 other All-Stars should.
WAY too early to give Thibs the better coaching nod. I agree with what a poster said, let’s wait until the All-Star to revisit this. Especially comparing the coaches.
BTW, the best defense I’ve seen on LeBron is Melo. They just don’t guard each other for the whole game.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 10/16/2014 - 8:08am #951612

Reptilian MonkParticipantDion Waiters is a "JR Smith clone"? That is pretty extreme
0 - Posted on: Thu, 10/16/2014 - 8:08am #951477

Reptilian MonkParticipantDion Waiters is a "JR Smith clone"? That is pretty extreme
0- Posted on: Thu, 10/16/2014 - 9:17am #951616

xJumpManxParticipantWaiters will school Dunelavy. Its almsot unfair to ask Dunelavy to guard a quick SG.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 10/16/2014 - 9:17am #951481

xJumpManxParticipantWaiters will school Dunelavy. Its almsot unfair to ask Dunelavy to guard a quick SG.
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- Posted on: Thu, 10/16/2014 - 1:44pm #951632

Robb_CParticipantBlatt runs a princeton offense… typically the Princeton will put two of your best scoring options on the same side of the floor using high ball screens and baseline cuts, thats a big nono when you play the Bulls because Noah is perhaps the best pick and roll defending center in the league..
Once you have Noah Defending high and Gasol defending low.. it creates an impossible space in the middle for the opposing offense to get into… which inorder to be a great offensive team you need that ability to pack Collapse the Defense..
This is why the Lakers were impossible to score on back when they had Bynum, Gasol and Odom.. those three were so long and so in sync defending the paint guards would get stopped majority at the free throw line.
Ive always knew the Bulls coveted Gasol for this reason, but if the Bulls can find a 6’9 long wingman that can be a very solid defender and run in transition in the draft or in FA.. they will own the Cavs
0 - Posted on: Thu, 10/16/2014 - 1:44pm #951497

Robb_CParticipantBlatt runs a princeton offense… typically the Princeton will put two of your best scoring options on the same side of the floor using high ball screens and baseline cuts, thats a big nono when you play the Bulls because Noah is perhaps the best pick and roll defending center in the league..
Once you have Noah Defending high and Gasol defending low.. it creates an impossible space in the middle for the opposing offense to get into… which inorder to be a great offensive team you need that ability to pack Collapse the Defense..
This is why the Lakers were impossible to score on back when they had Bynum, Gasol and Odom.. those three were so long and so in sync defending the paint guards would get stopped majority at the free throw line.
Ive always knew the Bulls coveted Gasol for this reason, but if the Bulls can find a 6’9 long wingman that can be a very solid defender and run in transition in the draft or in FA.. they will own the Cavs
0 - Posted on: Thu, 10/16/2014 - 6:34pm #951658

Ghost01ParticipantI am a huge Bulls fan, and certainly hope they contend in the East, but there is one pro-Cavs point I would like to make.
I think way too many people are getting caught up in the 2011 Heat (who were only 2 games away from winning a title) and thinking it is really hard for these teams to gel.
The 2011 Heat had one of the weakest supporting casts beyond their top 3 you could have. This team has Waiters, Tristan Thompson, Vareajo, Mike Miller, and Marion, plus the fact in terms of styles alone, Irving and Love fit with James much better.
The Cavs are going to be realllllly good. They can win the title this year, and I have no belief that lack of comfortability will be a reason they won’t.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 10/16/2014 - 6:34pm #951522

Ghost01ParticipantI am a huge Bulls fan, and certainly hope they contend in the East, but there is one pro-Cavs point I would like to make.
I think way too many people are getting caught up in the 2011 Heat (who were only 2 games away from winning a title) and thinking it is really hard for these teams to gel.
The 2011 Heat had one of the weakest supporting casts beyond their top 3 you could have. This team has Waiters, Tristan Thompson, Vareajo, Mike Miller, and Marion, plus the fact in terms of styles alone, Irving and Love fit with James much better.
The Cavs are going to be realllllly good. They can win the title this year, and I have no belief that lack of comfortability will be a reason they won’t.
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