[BigChamp12Participant]

 I’m norrmally not the type to create trades or even suggest trades, but after the first 2 games of the NBA Finals, I thought about ways the Cavs can improve enough to have a chance against the Warriors in years to come. They know they can win the East so I think there goal this offseason should be creating a roster and scheme specifically to beat the Warriors who have beaten them in what is looking to be 2 straight finals trips. This series isn’t over, I know. However, it has looked bad for the Cavs. Lebron is trying but his impact is limited without his teamates making the occasional 3pt shot. From what I see, Kevin Love jut isn’t a good fit for this series. Depending on the way this series plays, I think they should look to move Love. 

I have 2 options that I think makes sense and the money matches.

First option: Kevin Love and Delly to the Knicks for Carmelo Anthony

Knicks get a younger star that is on the verge of entering his prime. He’ll be the focal point of the offense and will be a good pairing with Porzingis IMO. Also, Delly gives them a mature PG that can run the show until they land a PG of the future.

Melo gives Cleveland a reliable star and is a guy that Lebron trusts and has also expressed he wanted to play with. A proven star and knockdown shooter and a guy that can get his own shot any time. In this series Melo would be a huge upgrade over Love. 

Option 2: Kevin Love for Blake Griffin. I think this trade shoud definintely be looked at. It makes perfect sense for the Clippers. DeAndre Jordan controls the paint and is the rim protector. Kevin Love would be an instant floor spacer and will help open the lane up for the CP3 and DJ pick n roll. I think it gives them a new element to their offensive game. They played much better without Blake this season and there have been rumors tha he may be on the move. I think adding Love will upgrde the offense greatly.

When you think of Lebron’s teams, Blake Griffin doesn’t seem to fit the description. But when I look closer, I think it could work and is worth a try. Blake brings to the team toughness and physicality that every other player not named Lebron lacks. Draymond Green won’t just bully Blake. Blake is a 6’10 freak of nature. He can make the 17ft jumper now consistently but is not close to the shooter Love is. However, he is every bit of the athlete that fits the scheme of what the Cavs want to do. RUN… Blake can get the ball off the rim and lead the break. He also is one of the best finishers in the NBA. Cavs can’t post Tristan Thompson, Mozgov, nor Frye. They can barely post Love. Blake wouuld be an upgrade to Love in every aspect of the game except shooting. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

Although I’m not sure whether the Cavs even want to trade anyone away, your suggestions are at least somewhat realistic (1 more than 2) in the sense that both sides get a decent return. If the Cavs could get Griffin for Love they would do it instantly but I’m pretty sure the Clippers will never trade Blake straight-up for Love. As far as Carmelo fitting in with the Cavs: if he’s able to at least create it own shot on occasion (which Love is not) he’ll be a nice addition to the Cavs team, making them more versatile. Having Carmelo, James and Irving on one team forces the opponent to put at least three top one-on-one defenders… unfortunately, the Warrios have 3 or maybe 4 or 5 of those (Iguodala, Green, Barnes, Thompson, maybe even Livingston). If any opponent wants to have a viable shot at beating the Warriors they should follow the example the Thunder set, which is dominating the boards, going out in transition, and forcing the Warriors to beat them inside rather than outside. 

[NZBennyParticipant]

The reason the Thunder were able to compete with the warriors was not size, but rather the combination of length AND quickness from 1-5. I think most people I see commenting have missed that. The ability to line up with guys like Ibaka, Adams and Ibaka playing as bigs meant that they could switch the screens that the Warriors usually run to create mismatches on the perimeter or release Green from the PnR. The reason why the Cavs are being pasted is because guys like Irving, Delevedova, Love etc. arent both long and quick. I dont see how adding Melo (and older slower dude who never has worked on D) or Blake (not the guy I would have switching onto the perimeter and a poor rim protector i.e. not that long) would solve this. They should trade Love to a team and try to get 2-3 good complementary pieces. For example, a team like the Jazz. Package Love for players like Haywood, Favors, Hood, Exum etc, and hand the star roles to LeBron and Irving. I think a team built around them with good two-way players at the 2, 3 and 5 would be the way to beat the Warriors (given that LeBron alone seems to guarantee you the East these days.

[Hype Machine]

As usual a Kiwi is trying to antagonise me. Shouldnt you be writing fanmail to Casey Frank instead?

 

1) Delly is a proven defender against the Golden State Warriors and using him of an example of poor defense from the PG spot is garbage since he played 4 mins in the first 3 quarters and the rest was junk time

 

2) The Jazz have a good thing going and dont want other team’s problems…which is a recurring theme on this forum for some reason. The Jazz aren’t a dumping ground…if you were at all familiar with their roster you would see a very capable young PF who is about to enter his prime. And a promising backup in Lyles who has definite starter potential. 

Hood, Exum. Yeah right lol. Have Rudy Gobert too. Sorry cuzzybro, not open for business. I wouldnt even offer Hayward, who only has 1 year on his contract because…cos the Jazz dont need a PF!

[NZBennyParticipant]

 The point of the post was not to outline a genuine trade proposal, hence why I did not make one. Rather it was to highlight the sort of trade the Cavs need to make. I can’t be arsed looking through the league to find one because the Cavs are last years news. The Warriors so clearly have their number, and Love does not have enough trade value any more to fix that. Like it or not, unless KD bolts from the Thunder, the WCF is the de facto finals for the next few years.

[NZBennyParticipant]

 The point of the post was not to outline a genuine trade proposal, hence why I did not make one. Rather it was to highlight the sort of trade the Cavs need to make. I can’t be arsed looking through the league to find one because the Cavs are last years news. The Warriors so clearly have their number, and Love does not have enough trade value any more to fix that. Like it or not, unless KD bolts from the Thunder, the WCF is the de facto finals for the next few years.

[Hype Machine]

As usual a Kiwi is trying to antagonise me. Shouldnt you be writing fanmail to Casey Frank instead?

 

1) Delly is a proven defender against the Golden State Warriors and using him of an example of poor defense from the PG spot is garbage since he played 4 mins in the first 3 quarters and the rest was junk time

 

2) The Jazz have a good thing going and dont want other team’s problems…which is a recurring theme on this forum for some reason. The Jazz aren’t a dumping ground…if you were at all familiar with their roster you would see a very capable young PF who is about to enter his prime. And a promising backup in Lyles who has definite starter potential. 

Hood, Exum. Yeah right lol. Have Rudy Gobert too. Sorry cuzzybro, not open for business. I wouldnt even offer Hayward, who only has 1 year on his contract because…cos the Jazz dont need a PF!

[Captain LParticipant]

 No way the Jazz would want to make a deal like that, I’m not sure they would trade Favors straight up for Love, Loves value is not near what it once was and Favors value in increasing, his stats show a pretty productive player on both sides of the ball, that said adding any of the players you mentioned with Favors would definitely make it a no thank you deal. The Jazz are moving in the right direction and have a core of nice players and although they are looking to improve their roster I don’t see them breaking up their core. Giving up any of that core group would mean the player they would be getting would be a big upgrade and worth losing key core players and I don’t see that happening. The Jazz need shooting but mostly from the bench, Gobert, Favors, Hayward, Hood and Exum are a really nice young core and Lyles is really highly thought of, I don’t see them moving any of them, Burks , Burke, Neto, first round picks are all I see that might get moved and only Burks & a first round pick is worth much.            I would like my Jazz to look for a upside shooting 5/4 or a versatile combo shooting guard. Maker , Skal, Ellenson ( probably won’t be there), Poeltl , D Murray, Korkmaz, maybe Valentine ( iffy). 

 

[Captain LParticipant]

 No way the Jazz would want to make a deal like that, I’m not sure they would trade Favors straight up for Love, Loves value is not near what it once was and Favors value in increasing, his stats show a pretty productive player on both sides of the ball, that said adding any of the players you mentioned with Favors would definitely make it a no thank you deal. The Jazz are moving in the right direction and have a core of nice players and although they are looking to improve their roster I don’t see them breaking up their core. Giving up any of that core group would mean the player they would be getting would be a big upgrade and worth losing key core players and I don’t see that happening. The Jazz need shooting but mostly from the bench, Gobert, Favors, Hayward, Hood and Exum are a really nice young core and Lyles is really highly thought of, I don’t see them moving any of them, Burks , Burke, Neto, first round picks are all I see that might get moved and only Burks & a first round pick is worth much.            I would like my Jazz to look for a upside shooting 5/4 or a versatile combo shooting guard. Maker , Skal, Ellenson ( probably won’t be there), Poeltl , D Murray, Korkmaz, maybe Valentine ( iffy). 

 

[NZBennyParticipant]

The reason the Thunder were able to compete with the warriors was not size, but rather the combination of length AND quickness from 1-5. I think most people I see commenting have missed that. The ability to line up with guys like Ibaka, Adams and Ibaka playing as bigs meant that they could switch the screens that the Warriors usually run to create mismatches on the perimeter or release Green from the PnR. The reason why the Cavs are being pasted is because guys like Irving, Delevedova, Love etc. arent both long and quick. I dont see how adding Melo (and older slower dude who never has worked on D) or Blake (not the guy I would have switching onto the perimeter and a poor rim protector i.e. not that long) would solve this. They should trade Love to a team and try to get 2-3 good complementary pieces. For example, a team like the Jazz. Package Love for players like Haywood, Favors, Hood, Exum etc, and hand the star roles to LeBron and Irving. I think a team built around them with good two-way players at the 2, 3 and 5 would be the way to beat the Warriors (given that LeBron alone seems to guarantee you the East these days.

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

Although I’m not sure whether the Cavs even want to trade anyone away, your suggestions are at least somewhat realistic (1 more than 2) in the sense that both sides get a decent return. If the Cavs could get Griffin for Love they would do it instantly but I’m pretty sure the Clippers will never trade Blake straight-up for Love. As far as Carmelo fitting in with the Cavs: if he’s able to at least create it own shot on occasion (which Love is not) he’ll be a nice addition to the Cavs team, making them more versatile. Having Carmelo, James and Irving on one team forces the opponent to put at least three top one-on-one defenders… unfortunately, the Warrios have 3 or maybe 4 or 5 of those (Iguodala, Green, Barnes, Thompson, maybe even Livingston). If any opponent wants to have a viable shot at beating the Warriors they should follow the example the Thunder set, which is dominating the boards, going out in transition, and forcing the Warriors to beat them inside rather than outside. 

[HobbyOGParticipant]

 If Kevin Love goes to the Clips for Blake Griffin that means we have to see more terrible State Farm commericals, Dropping Dimes, Dropping Dimes..

[HobbyOGParticipant]

 If Kevin Love goes to the Clips for Blake Griffin that means we have to see more terrible State Farm commericals, Dropping Dimes, Dropping Dimes..

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 Playing devil’s advocate here but if you are running the Knicks or the Clippers, do you make those trades? 

If we can all see KLove getting exposed on the defensive end, all these other teams do to. The whole "pace and space" style that is taking over the game seems to be leaving Love a little bit in the dust. 

There is another level in Love’s offensive game that he can’t show because LeBron has marginilized him on that end but the issue is that he can’t guard anyone. His value cannot be near as high as it was two years ago. If the Cavs are trading him, I highly doubt they get a star player back. 

 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 Playing devil’s advocate here but if you are running the Knicks or the Clippers, do you make those trades? 

If we can all see KLove getting exposed on the defensive end, all these other teams do to. The whole "pace and space" style that is taking over the game seems to be leaving Love a little bit in the dust. 

There is another level in Love’s offensive game that he can’t show because LeBron has marginilized him on that end but the issue is that he can’t guard anyone. His value cannot be near as high as it was two years ago. If the Cavs are trading him, I highly doubt they get a star player back. 

 

 

[nill650Participant]

 GSW has taken away the Cavs small ball strength: 3 point shooting.

If you want to be able to beat GSW you have to convert when they force you to put the ball on the floor.

They don’t need to make trades, they need to step up their execution. 

[nill650Participant]

 GSW has taken away the Cavs small ball strength: 3 point shooting.

If you want to be able to beat GSW you have to convert when they force you to put the ball on the floor.

They don’t need to make trades, they need to step up their execution. 

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

 K love for Demarcus cousins

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

 K love for Demarcus cousins

[ravneetsingh07Participant]

The kings wouldn’t do that. It was already offered before the deadline. 

[ravneetsingh07Participant]

The kings wouldn’t do that. It was already offered before the deadline. 

[ravneetsingh07Participant]

The third pick has a lot of risk this year for the celtics. Bender and Chriss are good fits but both are projects. Hield and Murray and Dunn are solid players but aren’t neccesarily what the team needs. They have tried to get Love before. It could work if Boston gives up the 3rd pick and Olynk for Love. Boston gets the big they wanted. Cavs trade the pick or drafte Hield, which gives them shooting and youth they need. 

[nill650Participant]

 If the cavs really did want to trade Love you can bet they would want a lot more than the 3rd pick and olynic.

I could see the cavs having interest in Bradley the 3rd,16th,and 31st and a couple expirings but the straight up $ doesnt work.

 

[nill650Participant]

 If the cavs really did want to trade Love you can bet they would want a lot more than the 3rd pick and olynic.

I could see the cavs having interest in Bradley the 3rd,16th,and 31st and a couple expirings but the straight up $ doesnt work.

 

[ravneetsingh07Participant]

The third pick has a lot of risk this year for the celtics. Bender and Chriss are good fits but both are projects. Hield and Murray and Dunn are solid players but aren’t neccesarily what the team needs. They have tried to get Love before. It could work if Boston gives up the 3rd pick and Olynk for Love. Boston gets the big they wanted. Cavs trade the pick or drafte Hield, which gives them shooting and youth they need. 

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