[burgessfourParticipant]

Supposedly Charlotte offered a #1 & Ben Gordon’s expiring for Turner.

Has to be the Portland pick, not Detroit, correct ?

[machu46Participant]

I would think so.

[machu46Participant]

I would think so.

[KHAM83Participant]

 A late 1st rounder? I think Philly passes. If they cannot get better, wait till the off-season for potential sign and trade deals and more options.

[KHAM83Participant]

 A late 1st rounder? I think Philly passes. If they cannot get better, wait till the off-season for potential sign and trade deals and more options.

[omphalosParticipant]

 I’m not sure where Turner fits with Charlotte, except as a 6th man. Henderson is a better defender and is actually playing well this season, MKG is integral to their defensive abilities and Turner doesn’t add the 3 point shooting the team desperately needs.

Good for bench depth, but not sure if I like the move.
 

 

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

 He will be what they thought MKG would be..  His 18 points, 6 rebounds and 3 assists fit well..  Also, his ability to play point and let Kemba play off the ball will be great.  If you remeber, Kemba won his national championship as a SG..

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

 He will be what they thought MKG would be..  His 18 points, 6 rebounds and 3 assists fit well..  Also, his ability to play point and let Kemba play off the ball will be great.  If you remeber, Kemba won his national championship as a SG..

[omphalosParticipant]

 I’m not sure where Turner fits with Charlotte, except as a 6th man. Henderson is a better defender and is actually playing well this season, MKG is integral to their defensive abilities and Turner doesn’t add the 3 point shooting the team desperately needs.

Good for bench depth, but not sure if I like the move.
 

 

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

 I think this is a decent trade for Charlotte, it makes them a little better. For the sixers, there just has to be a better trade than that. 

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

 I think this is a decent trade for Charlotte, it makes them a little better. For the sixers, there just has to be a better trade than that. 

[Big_C_KUParticipant]

No way I take that deal if I’m Philly unless the #1 is Detroit’s or Charlotte’s own pick. Both you can guarantee will be top 15 to 18. Trading an expiring contract for an expiring contract means nothing when you can probably get more for your expring contract than a late 1st round pick. 

[Big_C_KUParticipant]

No way I take that deal if I’m Philly unless the #1 is Detroit’s or Charlotte’s own pick. Both you can guarantee will be top 15 to 18. Trading an expiring contract for an expiring contract means nothing when you can probably get more for your expring contract than a late 1st round pick. 

[machu46Participant]

I think a late 1st is probably as good as it’s gonna get for Turner.  Supposedly that’s what the Spurs are offering as well.

[machu46Participant]

I think a late 1st is probably as good as it’s gonna get for Turner.  Supposedly that’s what the Spurs are offering as well.

[r377Participant]

Charlotte already have SF MKG and Jeff Taylor is a pretty solid backup.

Would the bobcats possibly trade either MKG or Turner to Detroit for Greg Monroe ?  Monroe and Al Jeff would be great offensively but would struggle on defence.  Zeller isn’t great defensively but Biyombo would prob get 20-25 mins a night to help defensively.  They could also get a defensive veteran big man to help.

Walker / Henderson / MKG or Turner / Monroe / Al Jeff as the starters

[vulture711Participant]

 I will give you a + 1 for the photo however

[vulture711Participant]

 I will give you a + 1 for the photo however

[r377Participant]

Charlotte already have SF MKG and Jeff Taylor is a pretty solid backup.

Would the bobcats possibly trade either MKG or Turner to Detroit for Greg Monroe ?  Monroe and Al Jeff would be great offensively but would struggle on defence.  Zeller isn’t great defensively but Biyombo would prob get 20-25 mins a night to help defensively.  They could also get a defensive veteran big man to help.

Walker / Henderson / MKG or Turner / Monroe / Al Jeff as the starters

[Ebown5Participant]

 I’m a Sixers fan, and although I think that Turner is definitely worth more than that as a pure basketball player based on his age and skill level, I think that we are in a tough position with him and would have to accept that offer if it is the best that we get.

If Evan had another year on his rookie contract we would probably not be trying to trade him right now. The problem is that he is due to get paid and we can’t pay anyone yet. He is a better player than he has shown so far in his career. I am convinced that he could average 20 points 7 rebounds and 6 assists consistently for someone if he was in the right situation. He is also more clutch than he is given credit for.

I would hold my nose and accept the Portland pick at the deadline simply because this draft is good enough to get a good player at that pick and I don’t want to risk losing him for nothing. If we could get the Detroit pick by including hawes or taking on Henderson I would do it, but I’ll take it.

[burgessfourParticipant]

Ebown5 I’m a Sixers fan as well and I have to agree. It sucks that as the #2 pick in 2010 we’re thinking a pick in the mid to late 20’s in this draft is somewhat acceptable for Turner, but it may end up being the best we can do. I also agree that if we had to put Hawes in the deal to get the Detroit pick it would be worth it. The Detroit pick is protected thru 8 this year but only 1 in 2015.

[ibe12Participant]

I feel you guys but the Sixers are thinking long term and Turner doesn’t fit. It looks like the Sixers are getting worse daily and will be getting Parker or Wiggins who I think will be better than Turner. Turner’s numbers are due to the fact he’s on a bad team. Turner would be a nice player to have on a good team but he’d be a sixth man or at best a third or fourth scoring option.

[ibe12Participant]

I feel you guys but the Sixers are thinking long term and Turner doesn’t fit. It looks like the Sixers are getting worse daily and will be getting Parker or Wiggins who I think will be better than Turner. Turner’s numbers are due to the fact he’s on a bad team. Turner would be a nice player to have on a good team but he’d be a sixth man or at best a third or fourth scoring option.

[burgessfourParticipant]

Ebown5 I’m a Sixers fan as well and I have to agree. It sucks that as the #2 pick in 2010 we’re thinking a pick in the mid to late 20’s in this draft is somewhat acceptable for Turner, but it may end up being the best we can do. I also agree that if we had to put Hawes in the deal to get the Detroit pick it would be worth it. The Detroit pick is protected thru 8 this year but only 1 in 2015.

[vulture711Participant]

 I’m a Sixer fan as well and I’m not sure why Charlotte would do that deal.  I guess they could make him a qualifying offer then match.  Philly is so far under the cap they can absorb Ben’s deal and, quite frankly, he’s better than any 2 on the team.  That would give us a trio of 1sts in different spots and a very high second which is like a 1st.  Of course you add Noel and MCW to that and Brett will basically be a college coach next year

I would however, prefer a deal with OKC or Phoenix and get Jeremy Lamb or a Morris twin.  Either of those deals gets a better player than a pick at the end of the 1st IMO – we can get a similar player with our 1st second rounder.  Lamb could be your starting 2 for a long while

 

[vulture711Participant]

 I’m a Sixer fan as well and I’m not sure why Charlotte would do that deal.  I guess they could make him a qualifying offer then match.  Philly is so far under the cap they can absorb Ben’s deal and, quite frankly, he’s better than any 2 on the team.  That would give us a trio of 1sts in different spots and a very high second which is like a 1st.  Of course you add Noel and MCW to that and Brett will basically be a college coach next year

I would however, prefer a deal with OKC or Phoenix and get Jeremy Lamb or a Morris twin.  Either of those deals gets a better player than a pick at the end of the 1st IMO – we can get a similar player with our 1st second rounder.  Lamb could be your starting 2 for a long while

 

[Ebown5Participant]

 I’m a Sixers fan, and although I think that Turner is definitely worth more than that as a pure basketball player based on his age and skill level, I think that we are in a tough position with him and would have to accept that offer if it is the best that we get.

If Evan had another year on his rookie contract we would probably not be trying to trade him right now. The problem is that he is due to get paid and we can’t pay anyone yet. He is a better player than he has shown so far in his career. I am convinced that he could average 20 points 7 rebounds and 6 assists consistently for someone if he was in the right situation. He is also more clutch than he is given credit for.

I would hold my nose and accept the Portland pick at the deadline simply because this draft is good enough to get a good player at that pick and I don’t want to risk losing him for nothing. If we could get the Detroit pick by including hawes or taking on Henderson I would do it, but I’ll take it.

[r377Participant]

Have just read there may be a third team involved – Phoenix Suns and they could end up with Ben Gordon.

[r377Participant]

Have just read there may be a third team involved – Phoenix Suns and they could end up with Ben Gordon.

[burgessfourParticipant]

Perhaps Hawes is involved too.Turner to Charlotte and Hawes to Phx……………..perhaps one of the Morris twins, a pick, Gordon and another contract would be coming to Philly. Not a horrible return for 2 guys not in the plans for 2014-2015.

[burgessfourParticipant]

Perhaps Hawes is involved too.Turner to Charlotte and Hawes to Phx……………..perhaps one of the Morris twins, a pick, Gordon and another contract would be coming to Philly. Not a horrible return for 2 guys not in the plans for 2014-2015.

[HitsterParticipant]

The 76ers gave up Iggy, two nice young players in Harkness and Vucevic and a pick as part of the Dwight Howard trade. They moved Jrue Holliday last draft night for a decent package so if they do move Turner then they will have virtually traded away all their younger players pre 2013 draft apart from Hawes and Thad Young.

With Evan Turner being an RFA in the summer the 76ers will either have to make him an offer or match any other offer he gets or they risk losing him for nothing. With the franchise going into rebuild, they have seemed unsure whether Turner will be part of their long term plans or not.

If the 76ers had extended Turner last summer they would have been in a much stronger position as he could have been renewed for less than he will command this summer and having him on a reasonable contract would have made him a very attractive trade target for a lot of teams. I believe that something along the lines of $32 to $35 million over 4 years would have got Turner’s agreement last summer as he is 25 now and that contract would have taken him up to nearly 30.

Now I would assume that Turner would be looking for at least $40 million over 4 years maybe up to $50 million given he has put up 17ppg and 6rpg this season, might have some upside to come and has relatively few miles on the clock compared to other guys of his age.

[HitsterParticipant]

The 76ers gave up Iggy, two nice young players in Harkness and Vucevic and a pick as part of the Dwight Howard trade. They moved Jrue Holliday last draft night for a decent package so if they do move Turner then they will have virtually traded away all their younger players pre 2013 draft apart from Hawes and Thad Young.

With Evan Turner being an RFA in the summer the 76ers will either have to make him an offer or match any other offer he gets or they risk losing him for nothing. With the franchise going into rebuild, they have seemed unsure whether Turner will be part of their long term plans or not.

If the 76ers had extended Turner last summer they would have been in a much stronger position as he could have been renewed for less than he will command this summer and having him on a reasonable contract would have made him a very attractive trade target for a lot of teams. I believe that something along the lines of $32 to $35 million over 4 years would have got Turner’s agreement last summer as he is 25 now and that contract would have taken him up to nearly 30.

Now I would assume that Turner would be looking for at least $40 million over 4 years maybe up to $50 million given he has put up 17ppg and 6rpg this season, might have some upside to come and has relatively few miles on the clock compared to other guys of his age.

[juves4783Participant]

smart move by charlotte.  they know philly is rebuilding and gave them the old low ball offer.  i agree with most on the "wait and see" approach, but i think if nothing materializes by the deadline, why not?  there are guys in that area that could still help the 76ers and could materialize into decent role players like payne, harrell, hairston or give them an opportunity to invest in someone overseas.

reality is turner is probably gone and replaced by wiggins or parker.  use that money and make a run at lance stephenson and greg monroe.

 

[juves4783Participant]

smart move by charlotte.  they know philly is rebuilding and gave them the old low ball offer.  i agree with most on the "wait and see" approach, but i think if nothing materializes by the deadline, why not?  there are guys in that area that could still help the 76ers and could materialize into decent role players like payne, harrell, hairston or give them an opportunity to invest in someone overseas.

reality is turner is probably gone and replaced by wiggins or parker.  use that money and make a run at lance stephenson and greg monroe.

 

[sixersman111Participant]

Sucks turner is only worth a late 1st round pick.  I never expected much for him but i figured a pick around 11to 20 range or player that has some potential.   I know its a pipe dream but i would love to get kidd gilchrist instead of the late first.

[Scott42444Participant]

now after the most recent CBA.  I know that Turner is only 25 but the Bulls essentially traded Luol Deng (coming off an all-star season) for MAYBE a 1st round pick and 2 very late 2nd’s but could also be 3 2nd’s.  It’s because he is a rental and retaining him might not be cost effective for the acquiring team.  It’s as if 1st round picks are made out of solid gold.  I don’t know if I agree with it as last year’s #1 pick doesn’t even contribute.  Other potential #1’s from the last draft are in and out of the NBDL (McLemore) or haven’t played yet due to injury (Nerlens Noel).  But, GM’s love the contract length and cost of 1st rounders and the luxury tax and salary cap is just too prohibitive.  I think it hurts the league, since there are only really 5 or 6 true contenders in the league and everyone else is trading expiring contracts.

[Scott42444Participant]

now after the most recent CBA.  I know that Turner is only 25 but the Bulls essentially traded Luol Deng (coming off an all-star season) for MAYBE a 1st round pick and 2 very late 2nd’s but could also be 3 2nd’s.  It’s because he is a rental and retaining him might not be cost effective for the acquiring team.  It’s as if 1st round picks are made out of solid gold.  I don’t know if I agree with it as last year’s #1 pick doesn’t even contribute.  Other potential #1’s from the last draft are in and out of the NBDL (McLemore) or haven’t played yet due to injury (Nerlens Noel).  But, GM’s love the contract length and cost of 1st rounders and the luxury tax and salary cap is just too prohibitive.  I think it hurts the league, since there are only really 5 or 6 true contenders in the league and everyone else is trading expiring contracts.

[sixersman111Participant]

Sucks turner is only worth a late 1st round pick.  I never expected much for him but i figured a pick around 11to 20 range or player that has some potential.   I know its a pipe dream but i would love to get kidd gilchrist instead of the late first.

[HitsterParticipant]

 Luol Deng was traded for a variety of reasons including the Bulls have $63 million already on the cap for next season, they have long term worries over D-Rose, they want to bring Mirotic over and Jimmy Butler is due an extension to kick in from 2015 but they will likely try and negoiate that this summer. Butler would reasonably want $7 to $8 million a year I’d guess and with Rose’s injury problems, I wonder if the Bulls want to leave the option to amnesty Boozer and try to chase a franchise FA which they would not have had the flexability to do if they had extended Deng.

Also the Bulls were a long way apart on what they offered Deng and what he wanted. They apparently offered $30 million over 3 years last summer which was perhaps a low ball offer to see if Deng would bite. But no compromise could be reached and once D-Rose went down injured again then Deng was almost on the block. The Bulls would not have moved Deng if D-Rose had stayed sound I guess unless it was to upgrade not merely.

Plus although Deng is still only 28, he is now in his 10th season and has played a lot of minutes down the years so Chicago were perhaps wary of having a 32 year old Deng on say $15 million odd per year and him not being the player he is now.

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Luol Deng was traded for a variety of reasons including the Bulls have $63 million already on the cap for next season, they have long term worries over D-Rose, they want to bring Mirotic over and Jimmy Butler is due an extension to kick in from 2015 but they will likely try and negoiate that this summer. Butler would reasonably want $7 to $8 million a year I’d guess and with Rose’s injury problems, I wonder if the Bulls want to leave the option to amnesty Boozer and try to chase a franchise FA which they would not have had the flexability to do if they had extended Deng.

Also the Bulls were a long way apart on what they offered Deng and what he wanted. They apparently offered $30 million over 3 years last summer which was perhaps a low ball offer to see if Deng would bite. But no compromise could be reached and once D-Rose went down injured again then Deng was almost on the block. The Bulls would not have moved Deng if D-Rose had stayed sound I guess unless it was to upgrade not merely.

Plus although Deng is still only 28, he is now in his 10th season and has played a lot of minutes down the years so Chicago were perhaps wary of having a 32 year old Deng on say $15 million odd per year and him not being the player he is now.

 

 

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