[[email protected]Participant]

about time, also Brown could be replaced by Lionel Hollins by the end of the week.

via-yahoo and twitter, not on team site.

[CameronCrazy11Participant]

Lionel Hollins could work wonders with this team. Plus I think having an established and respected head coach like him would make Luol Deng more likely to stay.

[CameronCrazy11Participant]

Lionel Hollins could work wonders with this team. Plus I think having an established and respected head coach like him would make Luol Deng more likely to stay.

[JordoParticipant]

Good for them. 

[JordoParticipant]

Good for them. 

[TyroberParticipant]

 They just took a step in the right direction. Giving mike brown  a 5yr deal was terrible so I’m not sure what they’ll do with him but he shouldn’t be the head coach of this team. Gotta start cleaning up somewhere and this was the best place to start. 

[MopgrassParticipant]

Other than whether they fire Mike Brown or not, the immediate question is what does this do for the trade deadline?

Their moves suggest they’re going for it now, but there record suggests that might be a bad idea. Even last week, there was a rumor on ESPN that the Cavs were still interested in Gasol. They’re 6 games back from playoffs as of now and they don’t have a great track record of taking risks.

So, if you’re the Cavs, do you go for it now or do you lick your wounds and just hope Deng doesn’t leave (which seems likely at the moment)? Or do you pull the trigger on the trade market?

[MopgrassParticipant]

Other than whether they fire Mike Brown or not, the immediate question is what does this do for the trade deadline?

Their moves suggest they’re going for it now, but there record suggests that might be a bad idea. Even last week, there was a rumor on ESPN that the Cavs were still interested in Gasol. They’re 6 games back from playoffs as of now and they don’t have a great track record of taking risks.

So, if you’re the Cavs, do you go for it now or do you lick your wounds and just hope Deng doesn’t leave (which seems likely at the moment)? Or do you pull the trigger on the trade market?

[TyroberParticipant]

 They just took a step in the right direction. Giving mike brown  a 5yr deal was terrible so I’m not sure what they’ll do with him but he shouldn’t be the head coach of this team. Gotta start cleaning up somewhere and this was the best place to start. 

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Hollins is a great motivator,i hope the rumor of them hiring him is true……Word in Cleveland is most of the players including Irving have lost respect for Mike Brown,

 

When you look at the players the Cavs could’ve had but didn’t select,you have to shake your head….Gilbert is a Hands on guy,he’s using Grant as the Scapegoat…….

_ Report: Cleveland Cavaliers fire general manager Chris Grant http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2014-02-06/report-cleveland-cavaliers-fire-general-manager-chris-grant-lebron-james-kyrie-irvin-dan-gilbert-mike-brown

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Hollins is a great motivator,i hope the rumor of them hiring him is true……Word in Cleveland is most of the players including Irving have lost respect for Mike Brown,

 

When you look at the players the Cavs could’ve had but didn’t select,you have to shake your head….Gilbert is a Hands on guy,he’s using Grant as the Scapegoat…….

_ Report: Cleveland Cavaliers fire general manager Chris Grant http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2014-02-06/report-cleveland-cavaliers-fire-general-manager-chris-grant-lebron-james-kyrie-irvin-dan-gilbert-mike-brown

[bullsdynasty92Participant]

What took them so long? Chris Grant jepardized the Cavs future by drafting poorly, re-hiring Mike Brown, and signing free agents that haven’t worked out. Who re-hires a coach who was mostly successful because of Lebron James? What on earth was the Cavs front office thinking? 

 

 

[bullsdynasty92Participant]

What took them so long? Chris Grant jepardized the Cavs future by drafting poorly, re-hiring Mike Brown, and signing free agents that haven’t worked out. Who re-hires a coach who was mostly successful because of Lebron James? What on earth was the Cavs front office thinking? 

 

 

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Hard to tell whose the WORST Owner Jim Buss,Jim Dolan Or Dan Gilbert?

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Hard to tell whose the WORST Owner Jim Buss,Jim Dolan Or Dan Gilbert?

[Memphisboy14Participant]

I know that most people on here will never agree with me but even though I know somone deserves to get fired whether it’s a GM or a Head Coach I don’t like to see it happen. Don’t get me wrong Chris Grant deserved to be fired. I just think about when my father was laid off when I was 15 back in 2008 at the height of the recession. He got a new and better paying job but it was rough on him for the next 6 months though.

[t-loveParticipant]

Unless he blows all of it faster than he blew 3 top five picks in 3 years.

[t-loveParticipant]

Unless he blows all of it faster than he blew 3 top five picks in 3 years.

[Memphisboy14Participant]

I know that most people on here will never agree with me but even though I know somone deserves to get fired whether it’s a GM or a Head Coach I don’t like to see it happen. Don’t get me wrong Chris Grant deserved to be fired. I just think about when my father was laid off when I was 15 back in 2008 at the height of the recession. He got a new and better paying job but it was rough on him for the next 6 months though.

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

About time…What the hell is going on up there? Lionel Hollins will do well though i think. It doesnt take a lot to make the playoffs in the east. 

Also, there are a lot of bad owners in the NBA…Im no Gilbert fan by any means, but he has gotten screwed over a couple times with the LeBron thing and then trusting Grant. Their situation reminded me of the Wizards for awhile but thank god Wall is an all-star and they finally have solid bigs. 

 

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

About time…What the hell is going on up there? Lionel Hollins will do well though i think. It doesnt take a lot to make the playoffs in the east. 

Also, there are a lot of bad owners in the NBA…Im no Gilbert fan by any means, but he has gotten screwed over a couple times with the LeBron thing and then trusting Grant. Their situation reminded me of the Wizards for awhile but thank god Wall is an all-star and they finally have solid bigs. 

 

[Da1potParticipant]

 Being an NBA GM is rough! The Cavs are clearly a rebuilding team. Chris Grant made the brilliant trade to get the number one overall pick from the Clippers- which of course ended up being Kyrie Irving. Bennett and Waiters were both bold and questionable picks who are struggling this year, but owners like Dan Gilbert need to realize that rebuilding takes a while to happen in most cases. It was too early for Chris Grant to be fired IMO.

[FearTheStacheParticipant]

I completeky disagree. When Grant traded for that #1 pick, it’s not like he knew it was going to turn into Kyrie Irving. In hindsight, maybe it looked smart. However, it was also Chris Grant trading an all-star in Mo Williams for a useless Baron Davis and a first round pick in a very weak draft. (Kyrie is the only definite supertsra in the class). Since Kyrie, his drafting has been shaky. Basically, there is a big difference between a good gamble and a bad gamble. I’ll give him his due for Trustan Thompson, since he hasn’t really busted. Since then though, their drafting has been terrible. They felt they needed a SG to pair with Ky right away, causing them to reach for Waiters. Then, carelessly traded away a bunch of picks for a below-average Tyler Zeller. Anthony Bennett should not have been the #1 pick, especially in a crowded Cleveland frontcourt. The Bynum signing was fine, but they traded away 2 first round picks, along with Bynum, for a guy who most likely will leave this summer. Don’t forget that they hired a coach that they themselves fired, and was fired 5 games into his next job. I can’t really defend anything he’s done. If he had been patient and just drafted best player available, they could have Oladipo & Drummond/Barnes. Chris Grant drafted on needs, not the best players, and that, to me, is the main reason why he failed.

  

[220Participant]

 When Chris Grant traded three picks (one late first rounder and two early second rounders) in a strong draft I couldn’t help but feel bad for the Cavs. I remember shaking my head at his reasoning too saying he didn’t want to bring in more than two rookies to camp. 

[220Participant]

 When Chris Grant traded three picks (one late first rounder and two early second rounders) in a strong draft I couldn’t help but feel bad for the Cavs. I remember shaking my head at his reasoning too saying he didn’t want to bring in more than two rookies to camp. 

[FearTheStacheParticipant]

I completeky disagree. When Grant traded for that #1 pick, it’s not like he knew it was going to turn into Kyrie Irving. In hindsight, maybe it looked smart. However, it was also Chris Grant trading an all-star in Mo Williams for a useless Baron Davis and a first round pick in a very weak draft. (Kyrie is the only definite supertsra in the class). Since Kyrie, his drafting has been shaky. Basically, there is a big difference between a good gamble and a bad gamble. I’ll give him his due for Trustan Thompson, since he hasn’t really busted. Since then though, their drafting has been terrible. They felt they needed a SG to pair with Ky right away, causing them to reach for Waiters. Then, carelessly traded away a bunch of picks for a below-average Tyler Zeller. Anthony Bennett should not have been the #1 pick, especially in a crowded Cleveland frontcourt. The Bynum signing was fine, but they traded away 2 first round picks, along with Bynum, for a guy who most likely will leave this summer. Don’t forget that they hired a coach that they themselves fired, and was fired 5 games into his next job. I can’t really defend anything he’s done. If he had been patient and just drafted best player available, they could have Oladipo & Drummond/Barnes. Chris Grant drafted on needs, not the best players, and that, to me, is the main reason why he failed.

  

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

I think you forget…

Chris Grant didn’t necessarily make a "brilliant trade to get the number one overall pick", he traded for a first round pick that had a 2.8% chance to be the #1 pick, it’s not like he knew what he was doing, he just got insanely lucky.

 

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

I think you forget…

Chris Grant didn’t necessarily make a "brilliant trade to get the number one overall pick", he traded for a first round pick that had a 2.8% chance to be the #1 pick, it’s not like he knew what he was doing, he just got insanely lucky.

 

[Da1potParticipant]

 Being an NBA GM is rough! The Cavs are clearly a rebuilding team. Chris Grant made the brilliant trade to get the number one overall pick from the Clippers- which of course ended up being Kyrie Irving. Bennett and Waiters were both bold and questionable picks who are struggling this year, but owners like Dan Gilbert need to realize that rebuilding takes a while to happen in most cases. It was too early for Chris Grant to be fired IMO.

[HitsterParticipant]

 Chris Grant had been at Cleveland nearly 9 years and had 3 drafts running the show to try and rebuild post LeBron. With him gone I agree that Mike Brown could be vulnerable, Mike had a great record first time round at Cleveland and was a highly thought of assistant coach prior to that. He was considered good enough to get the Lakers top job too but he didn’t seem to command the dressing room there and if he is losing support of a younger dressing room in Cleveland then there are questions about his coaching pedigree.

Who will replace Chris Grant will be interesting to see.

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Chris Grant had been at Cleveland nearly 9 years and had 3 drafts running the show to try and rebuild post LeBron. With him gone I agree that Mike Brown could be vulnerable, Mike had a great record first time round at Cleveland and was a highly thought of assistant coach prior to that. He was considered good enough to get the Lakers top job too but he didn’t seem to command the dressing room there and if he is losing support of a younger dressing room in Cleveland then there are questions about his coaching pedigree.

Who will replace Chris Grant will be interesting to see.

 

[terrancebowerParticipant]

I really like that. He’s very good at utilising and developing bigs, so I like the outlook considering how many of their bigs are young and still have a lot of room to grow. Brown has his areas of strength of course, but he just doesn’t seem to be in control of his players.

[terrancebowerParticipant]

I really like that. He’s very good at utilising and developing bigs, so I like the outlook considering how many of their bigs are young and still have a lot of room to grow. Brown has his areas of strength of course, but he just doesn’t seem to be in control of his players.

[MikezParticipant]

 I don’t get why people think Dan Gilbert is a bad owner, maybe he just puts too much heart into it to make rational decisions?

[MikezParticipant]

 I don’t get why people think Dan Gilbert is a bad owner, maybe he just puts too much heart into it to make rational decisions?

[Land of GrantParticipant]

 Cleveland this year is a great example of what happens when you just take a bunch of talented guys and throw them at each other, without thinking about chemistry.

On the right team, with the right guys around him (role models, spot up shooters, defenders great pnr big), Irving would be a superstar, but instead he’s got no bona fide vets, a bunch of shitty defenders + Deng,  and a backcourt mate who’s just a worse version of him.

 

[Land of GrantParticipant]

 Cleveland this year is a great example of what happens when you just take a bunch of talented guys and throw them at each other, without thinking about chemistry.

On the right team, with the right guys around him (role models, spot up shooters, defenders great pnr big), Irving would be a superstar, but instead he’s got no bona fide vets, a bunch of shitty defenders + Deng,  and a backcourt mate who’s just a worse version of him.

 

[HallstromParticipant]

Praise the Lord!!!!!

but I’ll wait someone confirm Mike Brown replacement before throwing a party…

[HallstromParticipant]

Praise the Lord!!!!!

but I’ll wait someone confirm Mike Brown replacement before throwing a party…

[King CaluchaParticipant]

What a relief for Cleveland. He was pretty good doing trades but he made terrible decisions in the draft and free agency. I think nothing can go any worse from now on for the Cavs.

[King CaluchaParticipant]

What a relief for Cleveland. He was pretty good doing trades but he made terrible decisions in the draft and free agency. I think nothing can go any worse from now on for the Cavs.

[Da1potParticipant]

A small market team that lost the best player in the league cannot be expected to rebuild so quickly. How can you judge someone’s drafting after just 1-3 seasons anyways?

[Da1potParticipant]

A small market team that lost the best player in the league cannot be expected to rebuild so quickly. How can you judge someone’s drafting after just 1-3 seasons anyways?

[thatdude44Participant]

What took the owners so long to fire this guy? Grant easily takes the cake for WORST gm EVER! And mike brown should just start packing as well, Lebron isn’t saving him this time✌

[thatdude44Participant]

What took the owners so long to fire this guy? Grant easily takes the cake for WORST gm EVER! And mike brown should just start packing as well, Lebron isn’t saving him this time✌

[theballerwayParticipant]

ThI real;ly hate all these they shouldve drafted this guy and that guy bs.  Ive said this before but one more time for good luck. Site favorite Jonas V had done nothing better than Trist Thompson to this date. Nothing. But whatever, Then theres Drummond all the mocks that amny seem to live and die by had Drummind being taken about exactly  where he was taken as there were ‘experts’ questioning his motor etc. Then we got the Harrison Barnes issue. What the hell has he done this season, how has he shown his value to the warriors? He had a decent playoff series and a half but thats it,  his numbers last year were weaker than Waiters  , who yall dont like because he was on your favorite experts mock.So they shoulve reached for Dreummond but were wrong for reaching on Waiters then ?

– little espn article detailing Barnes greatness- http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/65687/harrison-barnes-new-brand-bust

Whether Waiters fits in your opinion is another issue but I think its more a case of correct usage than fit.

No comment on Bennett as I feel he will be a starter quality player in the league for years to come, and its very early. Just my thoughts

Anyway, thats just the draft issue. Grant deserves to be fired for hiring Brown (his Pal ) and for giving him a five year deal. That is a mockery in itself. To me Browns offense issues are the cause of all these problems. Bynum was a ok gamble but that just made Browns job harder .

Buit seriously what the hell is L. Hollind gonna do. This guy has a similar level of offensive creativity as Brown. He literally landed on a team that was already good in Memphis. They had already been throiugh their growing pains and were ready to turn the corner. Motivation is useless without strategy.

 

Dan Gilbert is getting what he deserves imo- I still remember that bitter letter he wrote to Lebron after he left to go and persue chamionships in Miami

[theballerwayParticipant]

ThI real;ly hate all these they shouldve drafted this guy and that guy bs.  Ive said this before but one more time for good luck. Site favorite Jonas V had done nothing better than Trist Thompson to this date. Nothing. But whatever, Then theres Drummond all the mocks that amny seem to live and die by had Drummind being taken about exactly  where he was taken as there were ‘experts’ questioning his motor etc. Then we got the Harrison Barnes issue. What the hell has he done this season, how has he shown his value to the warriors? He had a decent playoff series and a half but thats it,  his numbers last year were weaker than Waiters  , who yall dont like because he was on your favorite experts mock.So they shoulve reached for Dreummond but were wrong for reaching on Waiters then ?

– little espn article detailing Barnes greatness- http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/65687/harrison-barnes-new-brand-bust

Whether Waiters fits in your opinion is another issue but I think its more a case of correct usage than fit.

No comment on Bennett as I feel he will be a starter quality player in the league for years to come, and its very early. Just my thoughts

Anyway, thats just the draft issue. Grant deserves to be fired for hiring Brown (his Pal ) and for giving him a five year deal. That is a mockery in itself. To me Browns offense issues are the cause of all these problems. Bynum was a ok gamble but that just made Browns job harder .

Buit seriously what the hell is L. Hollind gonna do. This guy has a similar level of offensive creativity as Brown. He literally landed on a team that was already good in Memphis. They had already been throiugh their growing pains and were ready to turn the corner. Motivation is useless without strategy.

 

Dan Gilbert is getting what he deserves imo- I still remember that bitter letter he wrote to Lebron after he left to go and persue chamionships in Miami

[theballerwayParticipant]

ThI real;ly hate all these they shouldve drafted this guy and that guy bs.  Ive said this before but one more time for good luck. Site favorite Jonas V had done nothing better than Trist Thompson to this date. Nothing. But whatever, Then theres Drummond all the mocks that amny seem to live and die by had Drummind being taken about exactly  where he was taken as there were ‘experts’ questioning his motor etc. Then we got the Harrison Barnes issue. What the hell has he done this season, how has he shown his value to the warriors? He had a decent playoff series and a half but thats it,  his numbers last year were weaker than Waiters  , who yall dont like because he was on your favorite experts mock.So they shoulve reached for Dreummond but were wrong for reaching on Waiters then ?

– little espn article detailing Barnes greatness- http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/65687/harrison-barnes-new-brand-bust

Whether Waiters fits in your opinion is another issue but I think its more a case of correct usage than fit.

No comment on Bennett as I feel he will be a starter quality player in the league for years to come, and its very early. Just my thoughts

Anyway, thats just the draft issue. Grant deserves to be fired for hiring Brown (his Pal ) and for giving him a five year deal. That is a mockery in itself. To me Browns offense issues are the cause of all these problems. Bynum was a ok gamble but that just made Browns job harder .

Buit seriously what the hell is L. Hollind gonna do. This guy has a similar level of offensive creativity as Brown. He literally landed on a team that was already good in Memphis. They had already been throiugh their growing pains and were ready to turn the corner. Motivation is useless without strategy.

 

Dan Gilbert is getting what he deserves imo- I still remember that bitter letter he wrote to Lebron after he left to go and persue chamionships in Miami

[theballerwayParticipant]

ThI real;ly hate all these they shouldve drafted this guy and that guy bs.  Ive said this before but one more time for good luck. Site favorite Jonas V had done nothing better than Trist Thompson to this date. Nothing. But whatever, Then theres Drummond all the mocks that amny seem to live and die by had Drummind being taken about exactly  where he was taken as there were ‘experts’ questioning his motor etc. Then we got the Harrison Barnes issue. What the hell has he done this season, how has he shown his value to the warriors? He had a decent playoff series and a half but thats it,  his numbers last year were weaker than Waiters  , who yall dont like because he was on your favorite experts mock.So they shoulve reached for Dreummond but were wrong for reaching on Waiters then ?

– little espn article detailing Barnes greatness- http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/65687/harrison-barnes-new-brand-bust

Whether Waiters fits in your opinion is another issue but I think its more a case of correct usage than fit.

No comment on Bennett as I feel he will be a starter quality player in the league for years to come, and its very early. Just my thoughts

Anyway, thats just the draft issue. Grant deserves to be fired for hiring Brown (his Pal ) and for giving him a five year deal. That is a mockery in itself. To me Browns offense issues are the cause of all these problems. Bynum was a ok gamble but that just made Browns job harder .

Buit seriously what the hell is L. Hollind gonna do. This guy has a similar level of offensive creativity as Brown. He literally landed on a team that was already good in Memphis. They had already been throiugh their growing pains and were ready to turn the corner. Motivation is useless without strategy.

 

Dan Gilbert is getting what he deserves imo- I still remember that bitter letter he wrote to Lebron after he left to go and persue chamionships in Miami

[terrancebowerParticipant]

@theballerway
 I think it’s just that they need someone who is a better leader and who has the balls to bench Irving when he’s playing out of control and jacking up shots and not getting team mates involved.

You’re right, Hollins might not be that much better in an Xs and Os way, but he seems to get the most out of big men in particular, which is what the Cavs really need. He might get Irving to get the ball down low a bit more, which in turn would open up the 3 point shot for Irving and their other shooters. With the Cavs this year its just a matter of effort, because they’re have so much talent.

[terrancebowerParticipant]

@theballerway
 I think it’s just that they need someone who is a better leader and who has the balls to bench Irving when he’s playing out of control and jacking up shots and not getting team mates involved.

You’re right, Hollins might not be that much better in an Xs and Os way, but he seems to get the most out of big men in particular, which is what the Cavs really need. He might get Irving to get the ball down low a bit more, which in turn would open up the 3 point shot for Irving and their other shooters. With the Cavs this year its just a matter of effort, because they’re have so much talent.

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