[tomdukes69Participant]

All u haters deal with it. Players first – not coaches like most “good” coaches. Sorry folks. Cal does it the right way in every way – recruiting, coaching, academics, NBA dreams, marketing….etc…. sorry haters

[BasketBalAllanParticipant]

Well… at least you apologized…

[BasketBalAllanParticipant]

Well… at least you apologized…

[WälseParticipant]

 I’m with you. The players come first. Let’s be real, these kids are there to reach the NBA & Cal coaches with that in mind, as he should.

[WälseParticipant]

 I’m with you. The players come first. Let’s be real, these kids are there to reach the NBA & Cal coaches with that in mind, as he should.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Since the UMass days. He gets guys to play hard, he gets guys to the league. Seems like a cool coach to play for. He is tough on you the right way and praises you when you deserve it. Great coach who teaches young talent well. Its easy to see why the best players follow him.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

 Since the UMass days. He gets guys to play hard, he gets guys to the league. Seems like a cool coach to play for. He is tough on you the right way and praises you when you deserve it. Great coach who teaches young talent well. Its easy to see why the best players follow him.

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

 The guy is as crooked as they come, and is a symbol of what’s wrong with college basketball. None of his players leave as better people, just with MAYBE more earning potential. So ya he’s a great coach if you don’t care about ethical behavior or an education. He just waves the NBA dream and money in a recruits face and he’s got them. Not to mention there is practically zero player development in his system. Just look at Willie Caulie-Stein. 

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

 The guy is as crooked as they come, and is a symbol of what’s wrong with college basketball. None of his players leave as better people, just with MAYBE more earning potential. So ya he’s a great coach if you don’t care about ethical behavior or an education. He just waves the NBA dream and money in a recruits face and he’s got them. Not to mention there is practically zero player development in his system. Just look at Willie Caulie-Stein. 

[3 No Biases 3Participant]

Whatever helps you sleep at night…lol

[3 No Biases 3Participant]

Whatever helps you sleep at night…lol

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

Huh?

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

Huh?

[3 No Biases 3Participant]

Everyone tries to validate to themselves why something good is bad or something bad is good.  You and most of the nation are throwing out baseless arguments to try to convince to themselves that Coach Cal does it all wrong, when really any school would be lucky as hell to have him as their coach. 

[3 No Biases 3Participant]

Everyone tries to validate to themselves why something good is bad or something bad is good.  You and most of the nation are throwing out baseless arguments to try to convince to themselves that Coach Cal does it all wrong, when really any school would be lucky as hell to have him as their coach. 

[Calling Out The ClownsParticipant]

 You’re truly an idiot if you think Cal isn’t corrupt.  Yet more facts towards you being the most biased poster on the site.  Change your name already clown.

[Calling Out The ClownsParticipant]

 You’re truly an idiot if you think Cal isn’t corrupt.  Yet more facts towards you being the most biased poster on the site.  Change your name already clown.

[HaleParticipant]

How can you say they don’t leave as better people? First of all, you wouldn’t know. Second of all, how many of Cal’s former players have off-court or attitude issues in the NBA? Demarcus Cousins? That makes 1/15 players since he’s been at UK. If you count the rest of his career it’s 1/29 unless I’m missing something.

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

I think people are confusing what I’m saying. I have nothing to say about the character of anyone who has played for Cal. They may or may not be good people, that’s beside the point. I’m speaking about how there are connections between Cal and some players which have been serious violations. And you may disagree with me, but Cal isn’t exactly the epitome of ethical choice making. He can funnel players to the nba faster than any coach though.

[HaleParticipant]

Okay, thanks for clarifying.

[HaleParticipant]

Okay, thanks for clarifying.

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

I think people are confusing what I’m saying. I have nothing to say about the character of anyone who has played for Cal. They may or may not be good people, that’s beside the point. I’m speaking about how there are connections between Cal and some players which have been serious violations. And you may disagree with me, but Cal isn’t exactly the epitome of ethical choice making. He can funnel players to the nba faster than any coach though.

[HaleParticipant]

How can you say they don’t leave as better people? First of all, you wouldn’t know. Second of all, how many of Cal’s former players have off-court or attitude issues in the NBA? Demarcus Cousins? That makes 1/15 players since he’s been at UK. If you count the rest of his career it’s 1/29 unless I’m missing something.

[terrancebowerParticipant]

Ethical behaviour or education? I mean, basketball etiquette is one thing, but you make it sound like he’s a guidance councilor. He’s a coach, his job is to make them good players. That is all. If they have bad attitudes, they were probably poorly developed by high school/aau coaches who babied their stars. Maybe some of them have crappy parents or something, whatever, but either way it certainly isn’t Cal’s fault if they’re bad people.

[terrancebowerParticipant]

Ethical behaviour or education? I mean, basketball etiquette is one thing, but you make it sound like he’s a guidance councilor. He’s a coach, his job is to make them good players. That is all. If they have bad attitudes, they were probably poorly developed by high school/aau coaches who babied their stars. Maybe some of them have crappy parents or something, whatever, but either way it certainly isn’t Cal’s fault if they’re bad people.

[samosasParticipant]

 @SpartanGlory you are a symbol of everything that is wrong with sports fans.  How dare you attack teenagers that you’ve never met and know nothing about.  If you had a chance to play 40 basketball games and they get a million dollar check, would you do it?  How do you know that none of his players leave as better people?  When was the last time you spoke to a Kentucky basketball player?  Don’t let yours sports fandom blind you with ignorance: basketball is just a game.  These kids have families, and the coaches have wives and daughters.  You have no right to attack somebody’s son.  Or maybe this is what "spartan glory" is all about?  Tom Izzo is gracious in defeat, you should be too.

 

[samosasParticipant]

 @SpartanGlory you are a symbol of everything that is wrong with sports fans.  How dare you attack teenagers that you’ve never met and know nothing about.  If you had a chance to play 40 basketball games and they get a million dollar check, would you do it?  How do you know that none of his players leave as better people?  When was the last time you spoke to a Kentucky basketball player?  Don’t let yours sports fandom blind you with ignorance: basketball is just a game.  These kids have families, and the coaches have wives and daughters.  You have no right to attack somebody’s son.  Or maybe this is what "spartan glory" is all about?  Tom Izzo is gracious in defeat, you should be too.

 

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

 No I don’t know any Kentucky basketball players. But I’m betting that you don’t either. You’re honestly going to sit there and disagree with me about players leaving school as better players/people? Look at what happened with Rose or Camby? How many wins were vacated again? Furthermore, if a player stays more than a year, they just don’t get better. Look at Poythress or WCS. He’s a decent game coach and a good recruiter. He has the lore of money backing him up an that’s it. 

 

Btw, what should I be accepting defeat for? I didn’t know I was playing for something??

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

 No I don’t know any Kentucky basketball players. But I’m betting that you don’t either. You’re honestly going to sit there and disagree with me about players leaving school as better players/people? Look at what happened with Rose or Camby? How many wins were vacated again? Furthermore, if a player stays more than a year, they just don’t get better. Look at Poythress or WCS. He’s a decent game coach and a good recruiter. He has the lore of money backing him up an that’s it. 

 

Btw, what should I be accepting defeat for? I didn’t know I was playing for something??

[samosasParticipant]

You do realize that the Marcus Camby incident happened 18 years ago, right?  That incident is so old it could vote.  You have two talking points: Derrick Rose and something that happened 18 years ago.  Who cares about vacated wins?  Like the NCAA adjudicates fairly in the first place.  UNC just got caught serving up totally fake classes and the NCAA hasn’t said shit.  Corey Magette testified under oath that he did in fact take money from an agent while he played at Duke.  Hell, just two years ago some Duke player got loaned 100,000 dollars in jewlery and all of the sudden it’s a done deal, case closed.  You can’t possibly believe that the NCAA doles out punishment fairly.  

Tom Izzo had a recruiting violation two years ago, right?  Did he not get suspended a game?  Why didn’t he have a season vacated?  What about Josh Selby and Kansas?  Selby took money, and he paid some back and still got to play.  When Roy Williams left Kansas was on probation, but you’ll never hear about that.  

The NCAA is the crookedest organization there is, but the NCAA needs a villian so they can act virtuous.  Calipari is that villian, but don’t act like he’s the only coach out there that’s commited violations, the reason Coach Rat and Roy Williams haven’t been given sanctions is they’re in the good old boys network.  And certainly don’t attack teenagers you’ll never meet, coward.

 

 

 

 

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

Why are you taking this so personally? It must suck to have nothing better to worry about than someone’s post you don’t agree with on a website. I’m just stating my opinion, it’s not right or wrong so don’t act all butthurt about it. 

 

Also, since you keep trying to change the subject to other schools/coaches I’ll address why Izzo’s "NCAA violation" occurred.  He employed an associate of a potential recruit at a middle school basketball camp, whom he had no idea was associated with said recruit. The person was paid $475 for 5 days work. Not nearly on the same level as Calaparis violations IN MY OPINION.

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

Also, if you could give me a direct quote of when I "attacked" a teenager I’d really appreciate that.

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

Also, if you could give me a direct quote of when I "attacked" a teenager I’d really appreciate that.

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

Why are you taking this so personally? It must suck to have nothing better to worry about than someone’s post you don’t agree with on a website. I’m just stating my opinion, it’s not right or wrong so don’t act all butthurt about it. 

 

Also, since you keep trying to change the subject to other schools/coaches I’ll address why Izzo’s "NCAA violation" occurred.  He employed an associate of a potential recruit at a middle school basketball camp, whom he had no idea was associated with said recruit. The person was paid $475 for 5 days work. Not nearly on the same level as Calaparis violations IN MY OPINION.

[samosasParticipant]

You do realize that the Marcus Camby incident happened 18 years ago, right?  That incident is so old it could vote.  You have two talking points: Derrick Rose and something that happened 18 years ago.  Who cares about vacated wins?  Like the NCAA adjudicates fairly in the first place.  UNC just got caught serving up totally fake classes and the NCAA hasn’t said shit.  Corey Magette testified under oath that he did in fact take money from an agent while he played at Duke.  Hell, just two years ago some Duke player got loaned 100,000 dollars in jewlery and all of the sudden it’s a done deal, case closed.  You can’t possibly believe that the NCAA doles out punishment fairly.  

Tom Izzo had a recruiting violation two years ago, right?  Did he not get suspended a game?  Why didn’t he have a season vacated?  What about Josh Selby and Kansas?  Selby took money, and he paid some back and still got to play.  When Roy Williams left Kansas was on probation, but you’ll never hear about that.  

The NCAA is the crookedest organization there is, but the NCAA needs a villian so they can act virtuous.  Calipari is that villian, but don’t act like he’s the only coach out there that’s commited violations, the reason Coach Rat and Roy Williams haven’t been given sanctions is they’re in the good old boys network.  And certainly don’t attack teenagers you’ll never meet, coward.

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Yeah, but Willie Cauley-Stein is going to get drafted.  He will make money in the NBA.

He has a limited game like a Tyson Chandler (who Calipari almost got), and if he plays to his strengths he will be fine. 

I am not saying that you ‘are who you are’ once you hit college, but the NBA is about finding your ‘role’.  Not too many "superstars" out there.  So just do what you do. 

If a player has a ton of talent, then they should look at the track record: D Rose, John Wall, Cousins, Anthony Davis.  If a player projects out as a solid role player (tops) I would still look at Kentucky.  These are some Cal guys who have picked up NBA checks: Antonio Burks, Shawne Williams, Rodney Carney, Darius Washington, Joey Dorsey, Josh Harrellson, Daniel Orton, and Darius Miller.

If you are an in-between player then you look at the success of a guy like Marcus Camby, or Tyreke Evans, or Eric Bledsoe.  DaJuan Wagner picked up checks before serious health issues derailed his career.  Most coaches would LOVE to brag about Wags, Camby, Tyreke, and Bledsoe as their SUCCESSES. 

Calipari has as many "stars" in the league (Rose, Anthony Davis, Wall, Cousins) as other coaches have role players/scrubs.

Even his "trainee" Josh Pastner, who has won a ton of regular season games, won 5 games against top 25 teams, and has four losses to Final Four teams (UConn and Florida), has even had some guys collecting NBA paychecks this season: Will Barton, Elliott Williams, Adonis Thomas, and D.J. Stephens (just signed with the Bucks) plus two guys projected to picked in the 2015 draft.  And, half the town wants to run him out of town even though not many Memphis coaches have gone to four straight NCAA tournaments like Pastner. 

Finally, if there were no ONE AND DONE, how many titles would Coach Cal have?  Bring back Derrick Rose and CDR for the 2008-2009 team that featured Tyreke Evans?  Say Coach Cal leaves for Kentucky when he did.  How many championships do Cousins, Wall, and Bledsoe get?  2 or 3 AT A MINIMUM.  What about this year’s team with Anthony Davis, and MKG? 

Coach Cal mastered a rigged game (college basketball).  Hats off to him.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Yeah, but Willie Cauley-Stein is going to get drafted.  He will make money in the NBA.

He has a limited game like a Tyson Chandler (who Calipari almost got), and if he plays to his strengths he will be fine. 

I am not saying that you ‘are who you are’ once you hit college, but the NBA is about finding your ‘role’.  Not too many "superstars" out there.  So just do what you do. 

If a player has a ton of talent, then they should look at the track record: D Rose, John Wall, Cousins, Anthony Davis.  If a player projects out as a solid role player (tops) I would still look at Kentucky.  These are some Cal guys who have picked up NBA checks: Antonio Burks, Shawne Williams, Rodney Carney, Darius Washington, Joey Dorsey, Josh Harrellson, Daniel Orton, and Darius Miller.

If you are an in-between player then you look at the success of a guy like Marcus Camby, or Tyreke Evans, or Eric Bledsoe.  DaJuan Wagner picked up checks before serious health issues derailed his career.  Most coaches would LOVE to brag about Wags, Camby, Tyreke, and Bledsoe as their SUCCESSES. 

Calipari has as many "stars" in the league (Rose, Anthony Davis, Wall, Cousins) as other coaches have role players/scrubs.

Even his "trainee" Josh Pastner, who has won a ton of regular season games, won 5 games against top 25 teams, and has four losses to Final Four teams (UConn and Florida), has even had some guys collecting NBA paychecks this season: Will Barton, Elliott Williams, Adonis Thomas, and D.J. Stephens (just signed with the Bucks) plus two guys projected to picked in the 2015 draft.  And, half the town wants to run him out of town even though not many Memphis coaches have gone to four straight NCAA tournaments like Pastner. 

Finally, if there were no ONE AND DONE, how many titles would Coach Cal have?  Bring back Derrick Rose and CDR for the 2008-2009 team that featured Tyreke Evans?  Say Coach Cal leaves for Kentucky when he did.  How many championships do Cousins, Wall, and Bledsoe get?  2 or 3 AT A MINIMUM.  What about this year’s team with Anthony Davis, and MKG? 

Coach Cal mastered a rigged game (college basketball).  Hats off to him.

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

Well then doesn’t that beg the question "would all those players have chosen Kentucky if there were no one and done?" Something to consider.

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

Well then doesn’t that beg the question "would all those players have chosen Kentucky if there were no one and done?" Something to consider.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

D. Wagner came to Memphis out of high school BEFORE one and done.  So he got a potential None and Done guy.  Then he took some loaded Memphis teams with very good players and fringe NBA types, plus a solid one and done guy in Shawne Williams to back to back Elite 8’s BEFORE taking the D Rose team to the title game.  If we hadn’t had gotten D Rose we STILL would have had a Final Four caliber team along with Jeff Robinson plus whoever we could have gotten instead of Rose. 

He took a team between the Cousins/Wall team and the Anthony Davis All Stars to the Final Four when the best players on the team were Brandon Knight, Terrance Jones, and Josh Harrellson plus Darius Miller and some others who played on Cal’s title team.

This year’s Final Four team has some Two and Done guys in WCS, Poythress, and Marcus Lee.  I guess Jared Paulson is a Four and Done guy. 

Calipari always had the right MIX of guys.  Guys to go around a D Rose or an Anthony Davis.  Even the law firm of Randle, Harrison, and Harrison have some guys back from last year’s team. 

Bottom line: Calipari got Julius Randle.  They are still dancing.  Duke and Jabari Parker are not.  Neither is Kansas or One and Done Wiggins. 

Kentucky is now a better team than they were at the beginning of the year.  You know, I couldn’t say the same about Duke a couple of weeks ago.

Which top recruit would not want to play for John Calipari.  Guys who play for him get to the league.  All-stars, starters, bench guys, and even fringe types.  Oh, and Kentucky is a BLUE CHIP program.  Great conference.  Basketball school, town, AND state.  They play in the SEC and college basketball rules Lexington and the whole state.  Kentucky hasn’t had a pro team since the ABA merged with the NBA. 

Making guys stay two years would just mean that Coach Cal would win TWICE as many titles.

The only thing that would hurt Coach Cal is the NCAA saying that John Calipari could not recruit Top 100 players.  Then they would still go to the tourney 4 out of 5 years, the Sweet 16 every other year, and a Final Four as often as Coach K or Ole Roy. 

[terrancebowerParticipant]

Nice post, just 1 thing. Lee is not a 2 and done guy, he’s a freshman and he’s not going to be declaring this year. Also, I doubt Poythress will either.

Also, if guys were staying he wouldn’t get so many top recruits. 1) because the program wouldn’t look as good, and 2) because there would be crazy log jams, kids would be riding the pine for years. Think about this, Trey Lyles or Karl Towns have chosen Kentucky if they know WCS, Dakarai, Randle, Lee and Poythress would be there for a few more years?

[terrancebowerParticipant]

Nice post, just 1 thing. Lee is not a 2 and done guy, he’s a freshman and he’s not going to be declaring this year. Also, I doubt Poythress will either.

Also, if guys were staying he wouldn’t get so many top recruits. 1) because the program wouldn’t look as good, and 2) because there would be crazy log jams, kids would be riding the pine for years. Think about this, Trey Lyles or Karl Towns have chosen Kentucky if they know WCS, Dakarai, Randle, Lee and Poythress would be there for a few more years?

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

D. Wagner came to Memphis out of high school BEFORE one and done.  So he got a potential None and Done guy.  Then he took some loaded Memphis teams with very good players and fringe NBA types, plus a solid one and done guy in Shawne Williams to back to back Elite 8’s BEFORE taking the D Rose team to the title game.  If we hadn’t had gotten D Rose we STILL would have had a Final Four caliber team along with Jeff Robinson plus whoever we could have gotten instead of Rose. 

He took a team between the Cousins/Wall team and the Anthony Davis All Stars to the Final Four when the best players on the team were Brandon Knight, Terrance Jones, and Josh Harrellson plus Darius Miller and some others who played on Cal’s title team.

This year’s Final Four team has some Two and Done guys in WCS, Poythress, and Marcus Lee.  I guess Jared Paulson is a Four and Done guy. 

Calipari always had the right MIX of guys.  Guys to go around a D Rose or an Anthony Davis.  Even the law firm of Randle, Harrison, and Harrison have some guys back from last year’s team. 

Bottom line: Calipari got Julius Randle.  They are still dancing.  Duke and Jabari Parker are not.  Neither is Kansas or One and Done Wiggins. 

Kentucky is now a better team than they were at the beginning of the year.  You know, I couldn’t say the same about Duke a couple of weeks ago.

Which top recruit would not want to play for John Calipari.  Guys who play for him get to the league.  All-stars, starters, bench guys, and even fringe types.  Oh, and Kentucky is a BLUE CHIP program.  Great conference.  Basketball school, town, AND state.  They play in the SEC and college basketball rules Lexington and the whole state.  Kentucky hasn’t had a pro team since the ABA merged with the NBA. 

Making guys stay two years would just mean that Coach Cal would win TWICE as many titles.

The only thing that would hurt Coach Cal is the NCAA saying that John Calipari could not recruit Top 100 players.  Then they would still go to the tourney 4 out of 5 years, the Sweet 16 every other year, and a Final Four as often as Coach K or Ole Roy. 

[ncballer]

 I will get negged I don’t care.

Tyreke Evans was part of a murder investigation in High School.  Cal signs him.

Derrick Rose fiasco.

As someone who knew John Wall in HS and his academic situation, there have been rumblings of foul play there.  There is a reason UNC, Duke, etc all backed off him.

Eric Bledsoe had grades changed in HS.

Terrance Jones is another weird situation.

Anthony Davis’ father demands $200,000 for his son (what an insult to his son haha).

MKG is a product of World Wide Wes.

I can continue if you all want.  There is too much smoke around the guy for their not to be fire.  Every single program he leaves receives probation and don’t expect anything different with UK.  

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

Right! I forgot about work wide Wes. I just have a tough time liking Cal because of all that nonsense. Trying to compliment him actually makes me feel dirty.

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

Right! I forgot about work wide Wes. I just have a tough time liking Cal because of all that nonsense. Trying to compliment him actually makes me feel dirty.

[ncballer]

 I will get negged I don’t care.

Tyreke Evans was part of a murder investigation in High School.  Cal signs him.

Derrick Rose fiasco.

As someone who knew John Wall in HS and his academic situation, there have been rumblings of foul play there.  There is a reason UNC, Duke, etc all backed off him.

Eric Bledsoe had grades changed in HS.

Terrance Jones is another weird situation.

Anthony Davis’ father demands $200,000 for his son (what an insult to his son haha).

MKG is a product of World Wide Wes.

I can continue if you all want.  There is too much smoke around the guy for their not to be fire.  Every single program he leaves receives probation and don’t expect anything different with UK.  

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