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- Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:08am #55536
Jayhawks2011ParticipantIf the Bulls had the choice between Melo and Love who do they choose? If they get Love they probably will have to give up both their first round picks and probably Mirotic & Gibson. However if they go for Melo the Bulls would probably be able to keep the picks. It is an interesting choice, but the first instict is Love.
Kevin Love, Joakim Noah, and Derrick Rose would really be a tremendous trio. They would now have two of the best passing big men in the league. Love would also clear the lane for Rose. When I imagine a Derrick Rose Kevin Love pick and pop it is a little scary.
Now Carmelo is a pure scorer. Give him space and he will get buckets. If you do not expect Rose to be the player he used to be, isn’t Melo a better option 1A than Love would be? He is older, but I have a feeling he is getting desperate to win. He was really the only competitive player for the Knicks and I bet he would buy into Thibs philosophy. Plus I think they would be able to keep the 2 first round picks and grab two of Payne, GRIII, TJ Warren, Markel Brown, Ennis, or PJ Hairston.
If you were the Bulls which way would you go? I think the majority will go K-Love, but Melo is a legit superstar who has proven to be a top 3 scorer in the league.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:19am #903506
aramboneParticipantThose picks have real value in this awesome draft, even if they don’t get Love or Melo.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:19am #903625
aramboneParticipantThose picks have real value in this awesome draft, even if they don’t get Love or Melo.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:24am #903510

OhCanada-ParticipantWhy not get both? Im sure they could find a way to make it work within the cap.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:24am #903629

OhCanada-ParticipantWhy not get both? Im sure they could find a way to make it work within the cap.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:25am #903516
Magic JordanParticipantI think the best move for them would be to get another wing scorer. Especially one in the mold of Melo. I’m not saying Melo is better than Love or the other way around, but given Rose’s uncertantity, I think Melo is the perfect fir for that team. Especially if they can keep Gibson in the process. A lineup of Rose, Butler, Melo, Gibson and Noah is just scary assuming everybody is healthy.
The Bulls would have to include a lot of assets to get K Love, so the roster could look something like Rose, anon swingman, anon swingman, Love, Noah. I have to imagine the Wolves will want Butler, or Gibson, if not both.
If the Bulls were further off of contention I would say Love is the play, but they are reallll close when healthy, that team is tailormade for a scorer like Melo, its the best fit for both parties involved in my opinion.
I do like Love more than Melo as a player, but not for the Bulls.
Really you can’t go wrong with either of them if you’re Chicago, but what they would have to give up for Love I think tips the scales in the favor of Melo.
I still think Sending Boozer and one of their first rounders to a team with caproom is a real possibility. And I think they could find a team to take Dunleavy off of their hands no problem, they might be able to package him and Boozer together with one of their 1st rounders.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:25am #903635
Magic JordanParticipantI think the best move for them would be to get another wing scorer. Especially one in the mold of Melo. I’m not saying Melo is better than Love or the other way around, but given Rose’s uncertantity, I think Melo is the perfect fir for that team. Especially if they can keep Gibson in the process. A lineup of Rose, Butler, Melo, Gibson and Noah is just scary assuming everybody is healthy.
The Bulls would have to include a lot of assets to get K Love, so the roster could look something like Rose, anon swingman, anon swingman, Love, Noah. I have to imagine the Wolves will want Butler, or Gibson, if not both.
If the Bulls were further off of contention I would say Love is the play, but they are reallll close when healthy, that team is tailormade for a scorer like Melo, its the best fit for both parties involved in my opinion.
I do like Love more than Melo as a player, but not for the Bulls.
Really you can’t go wrong with either of them if you’re Chicago, but what they would have to give up for Love I think tips the scales in the favor of Melo.
I still think Sending Boozer and one of their first rounders to a team with caproom is a real possibility. And I think they could find a team to take Dunleavy off of their hands no problem, they might be able to package him and Boozer together with one of their 1st rounders.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:25am #903512
joecheck88ParticipantI would have to go with Love. I would try to keep Mirotic tho. I’d give up the picks Gibson and Snell. Is that enough? Idk but I would rather keep Mirotic.
Melo would be good especially to ease off the pressure on Rose early. He is in his 30s now has 4-5 great years left but I’m not sure it is a great fit. If they did get Melo would they start him at the 4?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:25am #903631
joecheck88ParticipantI would have to go with Love. I would try to keep Mirotic tho. I’d give up the picks Gibson and Snell. Is that enough? Idk but I would rather keep Mirotic.
Melo would be good especially to ease off the pressure on Rose early. He is in his 30s now has 4-5 great years left but I’m not sure it is a great fit. If they did get Melo would they start him at the 4?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:25am #903518
Magic JordanParticipantDouble gosh damnit.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:25am #903637
Magic JordanParticipantDouble gosh damnit.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:26am #903514

OhCanada-ParticipantTo awnser the question with your two scenerios I would go for Melo and the two prospects and I think Chicago would too especially with the lack of scoring they displayed at times this year.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:26am #903633

OhCanada-ParticipantTo awnser the question with your two scenerios I would go for Melo and the two prospects and I think Chicago would too especially with the lack of scoring they displayed at times this year.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:29am #903520
Memphis MadnessParticipantI would go with Carmelo Anthony. Better all-around offensive game, can space the floor, and get off clutch shots. He can play the 3 or the 4. He has solid all-around skills and a pretty high basketball IQ.
If the Bulls get Carmelo instead of Kevin Love, then they can start Taj Gibson at the 4. Carmelo would give Chicago a better starting five: Rose, Butler, Carmelo, Taj, and Noah.
Rose can score and dish from the point guard spot or play off the ball at the 2. Carmelo can hit the 3, shoot from mid-range, post-up, slash, and get to the line. Noah gets his points, can rebound, pass, block shots, and defend. Gibson is a great athlete and hustle guy who can also block shots and defend. This would be the most complete starting five in the league, and also a very versatile lineup. Rose can play at either guard spot, Butler at either wing spot, Carmelo at the 3 or the 4, and Gibson can play some small ball five.
The Bulls are basically Rose’s team, but Noah is the emotional leader of the team. Carmelo could be the go-to guy down the stretch. Butler could then concentrate on slashing and defending.
Captain Kirk would essentially be their sixth man, who can give them some solid minutes at either guard spot.
They wouldn’t have much else on the roster but it is always easier to get bench rotation guys than core guys.
The Bulls would have 3 MVP candidates at each major position: lead guard, forward, and center.
The Bulls could pick up guys like Aaron Craft, Will Sheehey, Luke Hancock, Chane Behanen, and maybe even James McAdoo as undrafted free agents.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:29am #903638
Memphis MadnessParticipantI would go with Carmelo Anthony. Better all-around offensive game, can space the floor, and get off clutch shots. He can play the 3 or the 4. He has solid all-around skills and a pretty high basketball IQ.
If the Bulls get Carmelo instead of Kevin Love, then they can start Taj Gibson at the 4. Carmelo would give Chicago a better starting five: Rose, Butler, Carmelo, Taj, and Noah.
Rose can score and dish from the point guard spot or play off the ball at the 2. Carmelo can hit the 3, shoot from mid-range, post-up, slash, and get to the line. Noah gets his points, can rebound, pass, block shots, and defend. Gibson is a great athlete and hustle guy who can also block shots and defend. This would be the most complete starting five in the league, and also a very versatile lineup. Rose can play at either guard spot, Butler at either wing spot, Carmelo at the 3 or the 4, and Gibson can play some small ball five.
The Bulls are basically Rose’s team, but Noah is the emotional leader of the team. Carmelo could be the go-to guy down the stretch. Butler could then concentrate on slashing and defending.
Captain Kirk would essentially be their sixth man, who can give them some solid minutes at either guard spot.
They wouldn’t have much else on the roster but it is always easier to get bench rotation guys than core guys.
The Bulls would have 3 MVP candidates at each major position: lead guard, forward, and center.
The Bulls could pick up guys like Aaron Craft, Will Sheehey, Luke Hancock, Chane Behanen, and maybe even James McAdoo as undrafted free agents.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:58am #903526
machu46ParticipantI’d definitely go with Melo simply because you can get him while still having Rose, Noah, Butler, and potentially Gibson, along with Snell and the other bench guys, and whoever they draft.
If Chicago gets Love, it will basically be Rose, Love, Noah, and then whatever they can fill the rest of the roster with.
They still need to get Melo to choose Chicago though, whereas if they trade for Love, they know they have him locked up most likely. I’m curious to see if Melo chooses Chicago after already trying to join up with an injury prone superstar in New York with Amare. Personally, I’d rather go to a team like the Wizards if they can get enough money to pay him.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 10:58am #903645
machu46ParticipantI’d definitely go with Melo simply because you can get him while still having Rose, Noah, Butler, and potentially Gibson, along with Snell and the other bench guys, and whoever they draft.
If Chicago gets Love, it will basically be Rose, Love, Noah, and then whatever they can fill the rest of the roster with.
They still need to get Melo to choose Chicago though, whereas if they trade for Love, they know they have him locked up most likely. I’m curious to see if Melo chooses Chicago after already trying to join up with an injury prone superstar in New York with Amare. Personally, I’d rather go to a team like the Wizards if they can get enough money to pay him.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:00am #903528
asimpsonxdParticipantI think Love would be the better option
This is the most realistic trade:
Taj Gibson, Carlos Boozer, Tony Snell, 2014 #16 & #19 picks, 2016 Bulls 1st. rd. pick (unprotected)
Kevin Love and Kevin Martin
Roster:
PG: Rose/Augustin
SG: Martin/Hinrich
SF: Butler/Dunleavy
PF: Love/ Isaiah Austin (#49 pick)
C: Noah/Smith
0- Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:06am #903530
machu46ParticipantIf Chicago can get away with getting Love with that package, then yeah, he’s the better option.
Having said that, I think it’s more likely that Chicago would have to get rid of 2 or 3 1st round picks, Butler, and the rights to Mirotic, along with probably Gibson or Boozer’s contracts to make the money work. I just don’t see Minnesota settling for 3 15-20 range 1st round picks while also taking on Boozer’s contract when they can get a top 5 or 6 pick from Boston or LA along with other assets (from Boston… not so much LA lol).
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:06am #903649
machu46ParticipantIf Chicago can get away with getting Love with that package, then yeah, he’s the better option.
Having said that, I think it’s more likely that Chicago would have to get rid of 2 or 3 1st round picks, Butler, and the rights to Mirotic, along with probably Gibson or Boozer’s contracts to make the money work. I just don’t see Minnesota settling for 3 15-20 range 1st round picks while also taking on Boozer’s contract when they can get a top 5 or 6 pick from Boston or LA along with other assets (from Boston… not so much LA lol).
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- Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:00am #903647
asimpsonxdParticipantI think Love would be the better option
This is the most realistic trade:
Taj Gibson, Carlos Boozer, Tony Snell, 2014 #16 & #19 picks, 2016 Bulls 1st. rd. pick (unprotected)
Kevin Love and Kevin Martin
Roster:
PG: Rose/Augustin
SG: Martin/Hinrich
SF: Butler/Dunleavy
PF: Love/ Isaiah Austin (#49 pick)
C: Noah/Smith
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:26am #903534
Memphis MadnessParticipantThe Knicks couldn’t do much better than draft picks at 16, 19, and 49, the draft rights to Mirotic, along with Boozer (2015 expiring conract), Mike Dunleavy, Ronnie Brewer, Tony Snell and future draft picks (2015 second round pick and 2016 or 2017 1st round pick) for Carmelo Anthony and Raymond Felton. The Bulls would also take back $21 million in contracts back while sending out $25 million. So they would save $4 million.
The Knicks could draft Shabazz Napier as their star guard and Cleanthony Early as a scoring small forward with good athleticism and length at 16 and 19. Go BPA at 49 and bring over Mirotic to give them more young depth.
The Knicks would have a young core of Napier and Shump at point guard, Tim Hardaway, Jr., JR Smith, and Tony Snell at shooting guard, with Cleanthony Early and Mirotic at the forward spots. Cole Aldrich and Jeremy Tyler could get some minutes to see what they can do.
They could get a decent player at 49 or possibly trade the 49th pick to Philly for picks at 52 and 54 and cash.
After next season, Boozer, Bargs, Amare, and Chandler will all be free agents. They could have a TON of cash next summer to go after LeBron.
In 2015 the Knicks would have a lot of nice young talent, their own pick plus a Chicago second rounder, and possibly enough cap space to go after LeBron James AND Kevin Love.
The Bulls have a great Big Three of Rose, Carmelo, and Noah. The pieces fit, and give them some of everything. Good rebounders at their positions too. Promising “fourth option” in Jimmy Butler, a promoted Taj Gibson as a starting power forward and two solid, veteran guards off the bench in Captain Kirk, and Raymond Felton. … all they would have to sign is a solid small forward off the bench who can shoot, a couple of bigs (resigning Greg Smith would be good), and some bench filler D League types or undrafted rookies.
This would be a great trade for both teams.
0- Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:38am #903540
machu46ParticipantThis is assuming that Carmelo opts in to the last year of his deal? Because there’s no chance that the Knicks get all of that in a sign and trade.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:38am #903659
machu46ParticipantThis is assuming that Carmelo opts in to the last year of his deal? Because there’s no chance that the Knicks get all of that in a sign and trade.
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- Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:26am #903652
Memphis MadnessParticipantThe Knicks couldn’t do much better than draft picks at 16, 19, and 49, the draft rights to Mirotic, along with Boozer (2015 expiring conract), Mike Dunleavy, Ronnie Brewer, Tony Snell and future draft picks (2015 second round pick and 2016 or 2017 1st round pick) for Carmelo Anthony and Raymond Felton. The Bulls would also take back $21 million in contracts back while sending out $25 million. So they would save $4 million.
The Knicks could draft Shabazz Napier as their star guard and Cleanthony Early as a scoring small forward with good athleticism and length at 16 and 19. Go BPA at 49 and bring over Mirotic to give them more young depth.
The Knicks would have a young core of Napier and Shump at point guard, Tim Hardaway, Jr., JR Smith, and Tony Snell at shooting guard, with Cleanthony Early and Mirotic at the forward spots. Cole Aldrich and Jeremy Tyler could get some minutes to see what they can do.
They could get a decent player at 49 or possibly trade the 49th pick to Philly for picks at 52 and 54 and cash.
After next season, Boozer, Bargs, Amare, and Chandler will all be free agents. They could have a TON of cash next summer to go after LeBron.
In 2015 the Knicks would have a lot of nice young talent, their own pick plus a Chicago second rounder, and possibly enough cap space to go after LeBron James AND Kevin Love.
The Bulls have a great Big Three of Rose, Carmelo, and Noah. The pieces fit, and give them some of everything. Good rebounders at their positions too. Promising “fourth option” in Jimmy Butler, a promoted Taj Gibson as a starting power forward and two solid, veteran guards off the bench in Captain Kirk, and Raymond Felton. … all they would have to sign is a solid small forward off the bench who can shoot, a couple of bigs (resigning Greg Smith would be good), and some bench filler D League types or undrafted rookies.
This would be a great trade for both teams.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:54am #903552
B-ball fanParticipantI’d definitely take Love. His ability to pick-and-pop would really open up the court for Rose’s slashing and him and Noah would be one of the most intelligent big man combos in the league and almost certainly the best passing.
The Bulls are so reliant on spacing and player movement in the half-court that I worry Melo could hurt the team’s offensive flow. Love is a more natural fit to their current offensive system and he could play off Rose more naturally.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 11:54am #903670
B-ball fanParticipantI’d definitely take Love. His ability to pick-and-pop would really open up the court for Rose’s slashing and him and Noah would be one of the most intelligent big man combos in the league and almost certainly the best passing.
The Bulls are so reliant on spacing and player movement in the half-court that I worry Melo could hurt the team’s offensive flow. Love is a more natural fit to their current offensive system and he could play off Rose more naturally.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 12:10pm #903556
JeffreyhardenParticipantI would have to go with Love better all around fit.
DJ Augustin
Derrick Rose
Jimmy Butler
Kevin Love
joakim Noah
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 12:10pm #903674
JeffreyhardenParticipantI would have to go with Love better all around fit.
DJ Augustin
Derrick Rose
Jimmy Butler
Kevin Love
joakim Noah
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 6:18pm #903751

druneave3ParticipantI’m all in on Kevin Love. It kills me to say this but I would move Taj and/or Butler (been in love w both since college days) Mirotic, and almost anything to have that trio you mentioned in Rose, Love, and Noah. Tired of not winning championships with try-hard guys who are talented, but not stars. Try something, anything.
I honestly don’t think Melo is an option. $125 from NY or $95 million from Chi? I don’t care if he "wants to win." I just don’t see it happening. They would have to move Taj and possibly others just to sign him to the max deal they are allowed.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 6:18pm #903632

druneave3ParticipantI’m all in on Kevin Love. It kills me to say this but I would move Taj and/or Butler (been in love w both since college days) Mirotic, and almost anything to have that trio you mentioned in Rose, Love, and Noah. Tired of not winning championships with try-hard guys who are talented, but not stars. Try something, anything.
I honestly don’t think Melo is an option. $125 from NY or $95 million from Chi? I don’t care if he "wants to win." I just don’t see it happening. They would have to move Taj and possibly others just to sign him to the max deal they are allowed.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 7:28pm #903773
Kinguy11ParticipantI personally think the Celtics are best geared to trade for Love with guys like Sullinger, Green and that high lottery pick on the table, but from the Bulls point of view, they’d give anything and anyone bar Rose, Noah and possibly Butler to get Love.
The trade I see the Bulls offering, and the best the T-Wolves will get from Chicago would be this:
T-Wolves get: Mike Dunleavy Jr, Taj Gibson, Tony Snell, the rights to Nikola Mirotic and their 2014 First round pick (16th overall).
Bulls get: Kevin Love
because lets be honest, the Wolves would never take Boozer’s deal.
This will give the Bulls the pre-draft depth chart of:
C: Noah
PF: Love – Boozer
SF:
SG: Butler
PG: RoseThe Bulls have the 19th and 49th pick in the draft.
I see them picking Payne if he drops to them at 19, if he doesn’t they’d go for a small forward player in Early, Hood or Warren. At 49 they pick a PF or SF, whichever they didn’t get in the first round. For the purposes of compiling this fantasy roster I’ll assume that they can and do take Payne at 19 then draft Melvin Ejim at 49.
When it comes to resigning the Bulls should go after both Hinrich and Augustin and hope to nab both. Realistically, I think they could sign one or other quite cheaply, to give them a backup to DRose (and god knows he needs one). They’d possibly resign Nazr Mohammed to play a similar role to this past year’s, that of a reserve.
Their current depth would look like:
C: Noah – Boozer – Mohammed
PF: Love – Boozer – Payne
SF: – Ejim
SG: Butler
PG: Rose – Augustin/HinrichWith the money remaining they can sign two decent role players to be starting SF and a backup SG and perhaps try and pick up a solid 3rd string PG (such as Matthew Dellavedova) to be on the safe side.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 05/19/2014 - 7:28pm #903655
Kinguy11ParticipantI personally think the Celtics are best geared to trade for Love with guys like Sullinger, Green and that high lottery pick on the table, but from the Bulls point of view, they’d give anything and anyone bar Rose, Noah and possibly Butler to get Love.
The trade I see the Bulls offering, and the best the T-Wolves will get from Chicago would be this:
T-Wolves get: Mike Dunleavy Jr, Taj Gibson, Tony Snell, the rights to Nikola Mirotic and their 2014 First round pick (16th overall).
Bulls get: Kevin Love
because lets be honest, the Wolves would never take Boozer’s deal.
This will give the Bulls the pre-draft depth chart of:
C: Noah
PF: Love – Boozer
SF:
SG: Butler
PG: RoseThe Bulls have the 19th and 49th pick in the draft.
I see them picking Payne if he drops to them at 19, if he doesn’t they’d go for a small forward player in Early, Hood or Warren. At 49 they pick a PF or SF, whichever they didn’t get in the first round. For the purposes of compiling this fantasy roster I’ll assume that they can and do take Payne at 19 then draft Melvin Ejim at 49.
When it comes to resigning the Bulls should go after both Hinrich and Augustin and hope to nab both. Realistically, I think they could sign one or other quite cheaply, to give them a backup to DRose (and god knows he needs one). They’d possibly resign Nazr Mohammed to play a similar role to this past year’s, that of a reserve.
Their current depth would look like:
C: Noah – Boozer – Mohammed
PF: Love – Boozer – Payne
SF: – Ejim
SG: Butler
PG: Rose – Augustin/HinrichWith the money remaining they can sign two decent role players to be starting SF and a backup SG and perhaps try and pick up a solid 3rd string PG (such as Matthew Dellavedova) to be on the safe side.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/20/2014 - 3:30am #903724

ditotayParticipantwith Melo. Love is my favorite player of both and could be a better fit, but if he doesn’t press the Wolves to accept the offer of the team he wants to play for, it could be very expensive for Bulls to lure him. Knicks have more pressure to make a move and less assets, so they could accept a trade (with Melo’s pressure, and we know he could pressure a franchise) less expensive than the Wolves. Hope we can retain Gibson and Butler in the process. Mirotic is a great player, but he’s going to demand starter’s salary and minutes and with Melo or Love that could be impossible.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 05/20/2014 - 3:30am #903843

ditotayParticipantwith Melo. Love is my favorite player of both and could be a better fit, but if he doesn’t press the Wolves to accept the offer of the team he wants to play for, it could be very expensive for Bulls to lure him. Knicks have more pressure to make a move and less assets, so they could accept a trade (with Melo’s pressure, and we know he could pressure a franchise) less expensive than the Wolves. Hope we can retain Gibson and Butler in the process. Mirotic is a great player, but he’s going to demand starter’s salary and minutes and with Melo or Love that could be impossible.
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