[STATnMeloParticipant]

The player list salaries and limits are listed below then choose a coach and a style of play(run’n’gun, half court, etc…)if you like a team vote +1 if not -1)Post by 12midnight

Top Tier(1st and 2nd Options on Championship Teams)(15mil for 1st guy 12mil for 2nd and 10mil last guy)
LeBron James-Kobe Bryant-Dwyane Wade-Carmelo Anthony-Kevin Durant-Joe Johnson-Pau Gasol-Dirk Nowitski-Chris Bosh-Dwight Howard-Manu Ginobili-Amar’e Stoudemire-Kevin Garnett-Paul Pierce-Brandon Roy
Elite PG’s(This is a huge trend in the league so only 1 of them 10mil )
Chris Paul-Deron Williams-Derrick Rose-Rajon Rondo-Russell Westbrook-Steve Nash-John Wall-Tony Parker-Devin Harris-Tyreke Evans-Stephen Curry-Jrue Holiday-Darren Collison-Aaron Brooks-Baron Davis-Jameer Nelson-Brandon Jennings-Chauncey Billups
Mid Level Guys(9mil 1st guy 6mil 2nd guy 6mil 3rd guy)
Rudy Gay-Eric Gordon-Kevin Love-OJ Mayo-Josh Smith-Al Horford-Joakim Noah-Jamal Crawford-Blake Griffin-Vince Carter-Ray Allen-Rip Hamilton-Brook Lopez-Lamar Odom-Ron Artest-Caron Butler-Carlos Boozer-Al Jefferson-Michael Beasley-Gilbert Arenas-Yao Ming-Andrew Bogut-Jermaine O’Neal-Tyson Chandler-Nene-Andre Igoudala-Monta Ellis-David Lee-Roy Hibbert-Gerald Wallace-Stephen Jackson-Luis Scola-Andrea Bargnani-Chris Kaman-Andrew Bynum-JR Smith-Zach Randolph-Jamal Crawford-Lamarcus Aldridge-Greg Oden-Trevor Ariza-David West-Evan Turner
Cheap Quality Guys( 4mil each)Unlimited
Wilson Chandler-Jeff Green-Matt Barnes-Shane Battier-Shaquille O’Neal-Marvin Williams-Glen Davis-Paul Millsap-Udonis Haslem-Marc Gasol-Demar Derozan-Jason Richardson-Grant Hill-Antwan Jamison-Shawn Marion-Andray Blatche-Andris Biedrins-Mehmet Okur-Andrei Kirilenko-Kevin Martin-Kendrick Perkins-James Posey-Tyrus Thomas-Kenyon Martin-Rashard Lewis-Marcus Camby-Michael Redd-Zydruna Ilgauskas-Robin Lopez-Brandon Bass-Corey Brewer-Emeka Okafor-Demarcus Cousins-Thaddeus Young-Elton Brand-Carl Landry-Courtney Lee-Richard Jefferson-Brendan Haywood-Corey Maggette-
Other Point Guards-Any other PG in the NBA is in this group-5mil each
Any Player Not In First 5 Groups-1mil each
(Exceptions- Rasheed Wallace and Allen Iverson- you can choose them 3mil each)
You can get 1 of the 4 combos of these 3 categories and unlimited of the last 3 groups
1 Point Guard- 2 Top Tiers- 37mil-28mil to work with

or

1 Point Guard- 1 Top Tier- 2 Mid Levels- 40mil- 25mil to work with
 

or

1 Point Guard- 3 Mid levels- 31mil- 24mil to work with
 

or

3 Top Tiers- 37mil- 28mil to work with

Ask questions if need be…..ok guys lets go
 

[The Splash DocParticipant]

PG- Derrick Rose- (10mil)

SG- Rip Hamilton (6mil)

SF- Jeff Green (4mil)

PF- Al Horford (9mil)

C- Joakim Noah (6mil)

6th Man Back Up Point Guard- Kirk Hinrich (5mil)

7th Man Instnat Offense- Ben Gordon (4mil)

8th Man 3rd Big- Marcus Camby (4mil)

9th Man Shooter- Kyle Korver (1mil)

10th Man 4th Big- Tyrus Thomas(4mil)

11th Man 3rd PG- Kyle Lowry (5mil)

12th Man All Around Guy- James Posey (4mil)

Coach- Tom Thibodeau

Style- Team Defense, Half Court. Run a little

62mil Total

[NYCrealdealParticipant]

PG-rondo(10mil)
SG-jason risherdson(4mil)
SF-wilson chandler(4mil)
PF-Amar’e(12)
C-Dwight(15mil)
6th-pau milsap(4mil)
7th-coery magette (4mil)
8th-jason terry(5mil)
9th-landy fields(1mil)
10-matt barnes (4mil)
11-darko(1mil)
12-dorrel wright(1mil)
style pick n roll fastbreak team but good interior d
coach phil jackson

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

I didn’t really take any of the combos, since I only have 2 top guys, but I’m pretty sure with those salaries I’d fall under the cap. I’m not sure if I’ll be disqualified, but I want to stick with my same starting lineup as before.

 

PG-Mayo-9

SG-Martell Webster-4

SF Lebron-15

PF Amare-12

C Marc Gasol-4

6th Elton Brand-4 (Big man who can play either front court position and score and rebound0

7th Corey Magette-4 (Volume Scorer off the bench)

8th Courtnee Lee-4 (Perimeter defense off the bench)

9th Kyle Korver-1 (Shooting off the bench)

10th Darko-1 (Shot blocking off the bench)

11th Chalmers 1 (Backup point guard)

12th Bayless-1 (Scoring Guard off the bench)

Total of 65 million

Coach: Pat Riley out of retirement

 

[Demarcus OnealParticipant]

1. PG- Tyreke Evans 10 mil

2. SG- Ray Allen 9 mil

3. SF-Jeff Green 4 mil

4. PF- Demarcus Cousins 4 mil

5. C- Dwight Howard 15 mil

Bench

6. George Hill 4 mil

7. Rashard Lewis 4 mil

8. Jerryd Bayless 4 mil

9. Anthony Morrow 1 mil

10. Kendrick Perkins 4 mil

11. Ed Davis 3 mil

12. Wesley Johnson 3 mil

total: 61 million

How much are lottery pick to first round rookies worth?

[elevation1013Participant]

PG: Paul(10mil)

SG: Kobe: (15mil)

SF: Jeff Green (4mil)

PF: Blake Griffin (6mil)

C: Noah: (6mil)

6th: J-Rich (4)

7th: Perkins (4)

8th: Paul Milsap (4)

9th: Jason Kidd (5)

10th: Rashard Lewis (4)

11th: Thabo Sefalosha (1)

12th: Darko (1)

Total: 64mil

Coach: Doc Rivers

Style: Celtics Basketball

[STATnMeloParticipant]

PG- John Wall- 10mil

SG- Eric Gordon- 6mil

SF- Carmelo Anthony- 15mil

PF- Blake Griffin- 9mil

C- Marc Gasol- 4mil

6th- Wilson Chandler- 4mil

7th- Marcus Camby- 4mil

8th- Delonte West- 5mil

9th- Dorrell Wright- 1mil

10th- Tyrus Thomas- 4mil

11th- Courtney Lee- 4mil

12th- Rasheed Wallace- 3mil

Coach- Jeff Van Gundy Asst. Coach- Marc Jackson

Style- Balanced Scoring, Team Defense. Inside-Out

[Ghost01Participant]

Not trying to hate…just asking:

How are people in these polls taking Melo over LBJ? I really dont get this. I understand people taking Durant cuz hes so much cheaper, but really there is no plus to taking Melo over Lebron. Lebron is just as good a scorer as Melo, and better than him at every single other element of being a basketball player. And if your one of the "I Dont want lebron because he wont mesh with my other guys" type, thats fine, but Melo would be even worse. This guy is the definition of a black hole in the NBA.

[STATnMeloParticipant]

If Carmelo was as athletic as LeBron he’d be better than him. Melo has pure skill set he is a scorer, Kobe has said Melo is the toughest guy to defend because he can score in so many ways. Melo is also more clutch than LeBron shoots way better. He is passing a lot more this year, rebounding more too. Once he gets traded to a team he wants I expect more strides. After the All Star Break, Melo will average and you can quote me 32pts, 10rebs, 5ast and 1stl and blk while shooting a great percentage. Anyway I chose Melo because Wall is my primary ball handler, LeBron would take away from Wall’s strengths so I chose Melo a stationary scorer, who doesnt need to bring the ball up or play off the pick and roll and penetrate he can get a post up or spot up and still be effective

[JJeff6Participant]

Melo wont ever average 10 rebounds but 32 isnt out of reach for him.

[STATnMeloParticipant]

Carmelo can average 10 rebounds he’s at 8 right now and he always gets better after the break. Melo can get 32 and 10 easily he is strong and if he goes to New York he’ll see alot of time at the 4. If he goes to Chicago teams will double box out Noah, so he’ll get some left over boards. 10 Rebounds for Melo isnt farfetched

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

I know people say it all the time, but I really don’t think Melo is more clutch than Lebron at all, and he doesn’t shoot better from three, nor is he more efficient. 

[JJeff6Participant]

 Well, obviously Melo CAN get 10 rebounds a game.  Its more of a matter as of which he chooses to be aggressive enough to do so.  

[Ghost01Participant]

Exactly….where are these clutch shots? LBJ did hit that 3 vs Orlando, he did take over the Detroit series in 07, i know game 5 v boston sucked, but at least he was in the CSF last year.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

I mean, Carmelo is clutch too, I’m not disputing that. But Lebron is far from the choker people make him out to be. I know that stats aren’t everything and their is a subjective component as well, but every stat measuring clutchness shows that Lebron is the best in the league in that category. While that isn’t decisive proof that he is more clutch than Melo, I think it’s definitely worth noting.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Ummm Melo is way more clutch than LeBron lol.

He’s probably made triple the amount of game winners LeBron has made. Melo has made so many, I’ve lost count. LeBron on the other hand… I can count the amount of walk off game winners on my hand. One vs Golden State. One vs Orlando. And I guess the layup vs Washington. That’s three.

IF there are a few seconds on the clock and you need a shot to go in, you’re crazy if you’re picking LeBron over Melo.

[STATnMeloParticipant]

Youtube it Carmelo has so many game winners and game tying shots Lebron has 3 Orlando, Golden State and that Detroit game

 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

You have to switch it to plain text editor to post videos.

[Ghost01Participant]

IM Your father-

 

Yea, we all know game 5 sucked, but i like how he "mailed in" game 6, 27 Points, 15 rebounds, a triple double.

But i guess compared to Kobe’s "6-24 and get bailed out by Artest makes me a legend" scale, its nowhere to be found.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

@Indiana basketball, this is the latest updated version that I could find and Lebron is leading:

http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

However, Carmelo is shooting a much better percentage on game winners than anyone else, and that is important too. I don’t  think you are a fool if you’d rather have Carmelo take the last shot, I just disagree. 

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

 Actually, here is a more recent version 

http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT11.HTM

Edit: Crap, this doesn’t show amount of gamewinners, but it does show other clutch statistics.

[The Splash DocParticipant]

Melo over Bron any day Carmelo was 2 inbound passes away from going to the Finals and winning a title cause Denver would have destroyed Orlando. Kobe and Melo are the best 2 go to guys in the league if you disagree you dont know basketball,put Wade up there too

[Ghost01Participant]

Splash Doc-

Picking anyone over LBJ as far as talent goes shows "you know nothing about basketball"

Swing 2 possessions and LBJ beats the Magic that year too. Those 2 possessions were the difference between Melo and Kobe. He isnt the latter.

[QUINCEY HODGES1]

Neither Lebron or Melo has Averaged 10 rebounds a game right? Not that its really important to have you’re Small forward average that many boards.

 

Carmelo is a better pure scorer then LeBron i think that’s been established many times over. the guy can hit mid range/deep drive and post. theres no weaknesses. Lebron jumper is hit or miss same with three and he has no post game. His body and athletic ability makes him hard to stop when he drives though and he’s a better all around player but anytime the question about pure scorer comes up it starts with Kobe and Melo

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

82games.com counts all baskets during the last two or three minutes of a game. That’s good or whatever, but I’m talking about WALK-OFF game winners. How many does LeBron have? Three.

@Urbanovreverything

I’d take Kobe’s 6-24, 15 rebounds, 11-15 FTs, and solid play down the stretch over LeBron’s triple double. Posting LeBron’s triple double might fool people who didn’t watch the game, but for those people who did watch the game… You’re not fooling them.

That wasn’t a winning triple double. LeBron wasn’t even playing hard. His demeanor was weak. He was passing up open shots and then standing in the corner. LeBron wasn’t even fighting hard that game hence everyone saying, "What was wrong with LeBron?"

Kobe didn’t play well and took some bad shots, but at least he laid it ALL on the line.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

Game Winning Shot Opportunity = 24 seconds or less left in the game, team with the ball is either tied or down by 1 to 2 points.

@Oakhill and Indiana. Is that not a fair definition? Lebron obviously has more than three game winning shots, because as of 07-08, he had 17, which was the most in the league at that time. 

http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

 

[Ghost01Participant]

QUincey- i was never asking about pure scorer. I was talking about Pure Player.

Not the guy who averages 3 assists per game for his career

Not the guy who is horrible on defense.

He has a multi faceted offensive scoring game, but thats not all that matters.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

LeBron has only three walk off game winners in his entire career. I’m talking about with ZERO seconds left on that clock.

 

[QUINCEY HODGES1]

Agreed for those who just look at the stats it could fool you but watching the game his head wasn’t into it and he didnt come to play. With that said He gets wayyyyyyy to much blame for that series because even with him not playing up to par his teammates didn’t show up at all ( mr mo and Antwan)

[Ghost01Participant]

Indiana- This means he isnt as good as Melo? wtf? And so its easy for him to get triple doubles, he isnt as good as Kobe, if Kobe can "lay it all on the line" and stink it up with 6-24.

im talking about TALENT.

Also, if melo is the most complete scorer in the league, why does he only score 23 a game? its not like his team is loaded with scorers.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

Ok fine, was the statistic I just showed you not significant? Even if that criteria doesn’t meet your definition of a game-winner, it is still indicative of his ability in the clutch. 

[Ghost01Participant]

The dramatic decline of Antawn Jamison the past 3 years is astounding.

He straight up sucks now. and Mo is the king of talking the talk and not walking the walk. What happened to his "retirement"?

[Ghost01Participant]

The dramatic decline of Antawn Jamison the past 3 years is astounding.

He straight up sucks now. and Mo is the king of talking the talk and not walking the walk. What happened to his "retirement"?

[Ghost01Participant]

IM Your father-

No, beecause according to Indiana if thers any time on the clock at all, its not clutch.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

That statistic is OK, but the pressure is greatest when you have one shot left to win the game. That’s just my opinion.

You know… A la MJ. A la Reggie Miller. A la Kobe. A la Melo. LeBron makes clutch plays down the stretch, but I’ve seen him PASS up game winners. I’ve seen him choke at that line.

[Ghost01Participant]

If he passes it, hes scared of the moment, if he shoots it hes a ballhog.

putting MJ and Melo on the same clutch scale, or anyone next to MJ for that matter is laughable.

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

Agreed, once again, stats aren’t everything but, I don’t think these statistics should be ignored:

 

Team	Player	Gm	Min	+/-	+/-	Fga	Fg%	3pA	3p%	Fta	Ft%	Pts	Ast’d	Reb	Ast	T/o	Blk	Stl
CLE	James	45	151	116	+37	41.0	.488	14.9	.340	26.1	80%	66.1	22%	15.9	8.3	4.1	3.2	3.2
LAL	Bryant	28	132	19	+7	36.0	.444	10.2	.357	18.9	82%	51.2	18%	7.3	3.6	3.3	0.0	1.8
DAL	Nowitzki	44	171	102	+29	33.2	.449	4.2	.667	14.9	98%	47.2	54%	9.0	5.3	2.5	2.0	0.8
DEN	Anthony	30	121	15	+6	32.4	.427	2.8	.143	21.7	87%	47.0	20%	9.5	1.6	3.6	0.4	2.0

 

[Ghost01Participant]

Leaving Dirk out of the clutch argument was a mistake too. He can ball late in games with anyone. The SA playoff series he had one of the most underrated clutch plays ever.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

@Urbanovreverything

For real? IF LeBron James takes that GAME WINNING shot, I don’t think ANYBODY calls him a ball hog. He’s SUPPOSED to take that shot. Superstar players take that shot.

LeBron has passed up that shot. He’s choked at the line. He makes clutch plays down the stretch of games… Fine. That does make him clutch. However, he only has three walk off game winners. Melo has like triple that amount. Kobe has a TON of more walk off game winners than LeBron. I consider them more clutch because I’d want the ball in their hands if there were only a few seconds left on the clock. That’s the main *definition* of clutch to me.

 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

IF there are a couple of seconds on the clock, where would you rank LeBron in regards to taking and making that shot?

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

@Indianabasketball: Like with Quincey, I’m just going to give this up, because neither of us is going to convince the other.

I’m curious though, what is your opinion of Lebron? From all I can gather, think he has inflated stats, doesn’t make those around him better and if you were a GM, he isn’t a player you’d like to have on your team. Are those fair assumptions? I’m legitimately not trying to bait you or start an argument, I’d just be interested to know. 

[QUINCEY HODGES1]

Last second shot who do i want taking it between melo and Lebron……hmmmi dont know because lebron can get to the hole at will so he will get a foul or bucket most likely. I’d flip a coin

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

How come you didn’t answer the question though? Where would you rank LeBron in the NBA in regard to players who you’d want the ball in their hands if there were only a few seconds left on the clock?

[Im Your FatherParticipant]

Fine, I will answer one last question, if you answer mine above. I would probably rank Lebron second behind Kobe for someone who I would want with the ball in their hands with let’s say under 10 seconds left.

[Ghost01Participant]

I would rank Lebron 2nd behind Kobe as well. In all honesty i dont love either of them with the ball. Kobe hasnt been that guy in the playoffs, save 1 shot vs PHX back in 06. Hes hit a remarkable amount of meaningless vs Sacramento in January buzzer shots, but his playoff list isnt as impressive, especially in these past 3 years.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I think LeBron is a once in a lifetime athlete who has amazing court vision, passing ability and the ability to get to the basket.

 

[JJeff6Participant]

but his playoff list isnt as impressive, especially in these past 3 years.

Thats largely irrelevant to the lakers success, as last time I checked, last three years Lakers were in the finals, and they happened to win two of them just fine without Kobes buzzer beaters and game winners..am i right?

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I just don’t understand how LeBron can be ranked ahead of Melo, Dirk or even Wade to take a shot in the final seconds when he hasn’t made as many walk off game winners as they have. Why else did Miami name Wade it’s closer?

LeBron has passed up that shot. He doesn’t want to take that shot. And he doesn’t want to be on the line either. He chokes from there… Below 75% for his career.

[Ghost01Participant]

JJeff- because this isnt a discussion about the Lakers 3 peat, its about hitting clutch shots.

[jerb2011Participant]

 PG: Russell Westbrook

SG: Jason Richardson

SF: Kevin Durant

PF: Blake Griffin

C: Joakim Noah

[Ghost01Participant]

LOL@ naming Wade there closer. As if that was official. have you watched the Heat this year? Wade looks B-A-D. He does not look anywhere near the top 5 players in the NBA. Why LBJ? Watch the 09 Orlando series. He will get to the rim and either finish or get fouled. Thats why. Its hypothetical, its not based on whose gotten the most opportunities.

[JJeff6Participant]

Its also about clutch shots in the playoffs too right? I agree with you about Kobe not hitting them in the playoffs, but overall it didnt matter.  they still has that effer ron artest ruining the suns last year and plays like that to keep them alive.  They dont even NEED kobe to take all of the last shots.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

So you don’t think that if there are a couple of seconds on the clock, Wade isn’t shooting that ball lol? 

[Ghost01Participant]

Absolutely not. I dont see the fascination with Wade. He was UNBELIEVABLE 4 years ago. He put up great numbers on mediocre teams the past 2 years. He still is banged up all the time, and he has played aweful in alot of games this year. His defense of Ray Allen in that 2nd Boston game was embarrassing. LBJ is simply a better player than him. Therefore, yes, I see lebron getting the ball in those spots.

So far, everytime its ended up in Eddie House’s hands, so the whole "wade is closing games" theory has been false.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Dwayne Wade has made more game winning shots than LeBron James. That’s a FACT. I’m not talking about leading fourth quarter comebacks or just clutch plays down the stretch. I’m talking about game winning shots.

No, I’m not saying that leading fourth quarter comebacks and making clutch plays down the stretch should be ignored, but those are different than making a game winning shot.

Wade has more of those than LeBron. He does and that’s just a fact. I don’t know what else to say. Wade wants that shot. He’s not afraid of that shot. LeBron has passed that shot up. He’s passed the ball.

[Ghost01Participant]

Lebron is better than Dwyane Wade.

Thats a fact.

I dont care about GW shots this much…I really dont care. MJ is better than all of them put together so there…

The LBJ hating really is getting old. This guy is still barred none the best player on the planet. He picked Miami, get over it.

He isnt a sidekick, because leaders dont go 6-28 in the 2 games against your best competition.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

And Pau Gasol is better than Derek Fisher, but who’s going to take that shot in the final seconds? 

[Ghost01Participant]

Kobe.

[OMARtheLEGENDParticipant]

How do put this gut as a 2nd tier guy but you put bosh tier 1. I may be wrong but i would have thought monta, a top 5 scorer in the nba would be tier one

[NYCrealdealParticipant]

 got off topic fast lol

[JJeff6Participant]

yeah monta is tier 1, easy, scores at will.

[smd971Participant]

PG Bibby (5 mil)

SG Kobe (15 mil)

SF Ariza (6 mil)

PF Noah (9 mil)

C Gasol (12 mil)

6th Lamar Odom (6 mil)

7th Emeka Okafor (4 mil)

8th Steve Blake (5 mil)

9th Thabo Sheflosha (1 mil)

10th Aaron Affalo (1 mil)

11th Taj Gibson (1 mil)

Coach Phil Jackson

Offense Triangle

[smd971Participant]

PG Bibby (5 mil)

SG Kobe (15 mil)

SF Battier (4 mil)

PF Gasol (10 mil)

C Dwight Howard (12 mil)

6th Shawn Marion (4 mil)

7th Marc Gasol (4 mil)

8th Steve Blake (4 mil)

9th Kevin Martin (4 mil)

10th Batum (1 mil)

11th JaVale McGee (1 mil)

Coach Phil Jackson

Offense Triangle

[NYCrealdealParticipant]

my coach from kackson to papavich 🙂

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

I feel like I’m cheating with this team since it goes with Granger and Deng as $1 million dollar players when they were probably just forgotten from the mid level guys category…but anyway.

PG Chris Paul 10m (terrific point guard to run the offense and take pressure off Kobe)

SG Kobe Bryant 12m (arguably best player in the league)

SF Danny Granger 1m (helluva bargain, 4th option can stretch the floor with shooting)

PF Paul Millsap 4m (strong post player with toughness and rebounding)

C Dwight Howard 15m (dominant center, defensive anchor)

Bench

PG Derek Fisher 5m (experienced winner, knows the system and a leader off the bench)

SG Thabo Sefolosha 1m (defensive stopper)

SG/SF Mikael Pietrus 1m (very good perimeter defender also can knock down the three ball)

SF Luol Deng 1m (sixth man is versatile, can score, rebound and pass)

SF Shane Battier 4m (defensive stopper and another steady vet in the locker room)

PF Udonis Haslem 4m (tough defender and team leader, invaluable off the bench)

PF/C Anderson Varejao 1m (high energy player provides great depth in the post)

C Marc Gasol 4m (Howard’s backup is a good center in his own right, both offensively and on D)

Coach Phil Jackson

Style: Triangle Offence

 

 

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