[OhCanada-Participant]

 In response to warson24sBrice Johnsons value thread

Bryce is a dominant force in college basketball. He will likely have a huge game today against Duke and increase his stock not only in this matchup but also in the NCAA tournament so before people start saying hes the next Tim Duncan (Im exagurating) heres my thoughts.

 His greatest skill is rebounding which he is doing at an all time elite NCAA level and it is the most translatable skill to the NBA. He should have no problem doing this at a high level in the NBA.

He feasts on weak frontcourts which is a good thing and a bad thing. The way he does this is by relentlessly asserting himself physically or athletically whether this means battling for offensive rebounds or banging in the post. He has a very good battery pack which seems to always stay charged. But in the NBA that only takes you so far and you will need post moves and skill to beat your defenders at a high rate which limits his offensive potential. Hasn’t shown much of a jump shot and is now is his senior year.

There is definitely a place for him in the NBA but it is a limited role and in my opinion he is not worth a lottery pick. Some comparisons are Mason Plumlee, John Henson, Kenneth Faried, Javale McGee, Tristan Thompson and Enes Kanter.

 

 

 

 

[warson24]

To repsonse to your response 🙂
I think, we can easily agree in our minds he isn’t a top 10 pick and won’t be a star. So we’re on the same page, as I also said he could be a valuable role player in the NBA, but that shouldn’t bring him an early green room exit. I just wanted to clarify that with my post, cause this site tends to overreact some players in an inapprehensible way, with his limitations he shouldn’t be considered in the top 10 on that regular basis as he did in the past weeks. 
Producing in the college level is a nice thing, especially on big name teams, but that won’t guarantee any NBA success, there are too many Gerry McNamaras. And in the NBA he wouldn’t have to luxury to be on the court with the worst Plumlee brother as the only capable player to collect a rebound.
Your comparisons are placed on an irrationally wide palette, maybe with the hope he can fit into one. But Johnson’s is far from being an almost 7-foot athletic defensive specialist (like McGee, Henson) or a strong built bruiser (Faried, Thompson – plus also with defense) or not even a useable well built regular center (Kanter,Plumlee). The closest from that bunch could be an undersized (6’9) Henson without his defensive insticts, which again to be said not top 10 worthy. 
Yes, rebounding is the most translatable skill to the NBA, but between certain frames. Everybody was enamored with Brady Beal being a great rebounder (around 7 per game) at Florida despite playing SG, ignoring he technically played PF on a four guard offense (he’s having now 3 rpg at best), that’s of course an overstatement. Johnson’s college numbers are great but he’ll have a much harder time collecting boards between grown men with his wiry frame, he isn’t excelling taking the contact in the paint and the tools that makes him a PLUS rebounder in the NCAA, won’t translate at that high rate, he’ll be an OK rebounder not that hihgly effective one.
I never wanted to offend Brice, but to me it’s clear he isn’t that caliber, and I was surprised to see here some praying for his team to select him that high. The worst thing that can happen to a player to be overdrafted, cause the high expectations can kill his reputation (as a label BUST), his first non-rookie contract or derail his entire career. 

[warson24]

To repsonse to your response 🙂
I think, we can easily agree in our minds he isn’t a top 10 pick and won’t be a star. So we’re on the same page, as I also said he could be a valuable role player in the NBA, but that shouldn’t bring him an early green room exit. I just wanted to clarify that with my post, cause this site tends to overreact some players in an inapprehensible way, with his limitations he shouldn’t be considered in the top 10 on that regular basis as he did in the past weeks. 
Producing in the college level is a nice thing, especially on big name teams, but that won’t guarantee any NBA success, there are too many Gerry McNamaras. And in the NBA he wouldn’t have to luxury to be on the court with the worst Plumlee brother as the only capable player to collect a rebound.
Your comparisons are placed on an irrationally wide palette, maybe with the hope he can fit into one. But Johnson’s is far from being an almost 7-foot athletic defensive specialist (like McGee, Henson) or a strong built bruiser (Faried, Thompson – plus also with defense) or not even a useable well built regular center (Kanter,Plumlee). The closest from that bunch could be an undersized (6’9) Henson without his defensive insticts, which again to be said not top 10 worthy. 
Yes, rebounding is the most translatable skill to the NBA, but between certain frames. Everybody was enamored with Brady Beal being a great rebounder (around 7 per game) at Florida despite playing SG, ignoring he technically played PF on a four guard offense (he’s having now 3 rpg at best), that’s of course an overstatement. Johnson’s college numbers are great but he’ll have a much harder time collecting boards between grown men with his wiry frame, he isn’t excelling taking the contact in the paint and the tools that makes him a PLUS rebounder in the NCAA, won’t translate at that high rate, he’ll be an OK rebounder not that hihgly effective one.
I never wanted to offend Brice, but to me it’s clear he isn’t that caliber, and I was surprised to see here some praying for his team to select him that high. The worst thing that can happen to a player to be overdrafted, cause the high expectations can kill his reputation (as a label BUST), his first non-rookie contract or derail his entire career. 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 My comparisons are based on a group of guys that will usually outreboundba frontcourt but are limited offensively. They will provide offense but outmuscling or outhustling you but do not provide much in the way of post moves or perimeter skills. If you look at all my comparisons they are all usually overpaid and underused because the way the NBA is trending is towards more skilled players.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 My comparisons are based on a group of guys that will usually outreboundba frontcourt but are limited offensively. They will provide offense but outmuscling or outhustling you but do not provide much in the way of post moves or perimeter skills. If you look at all my comparisons they are all usually overpaid and underused because the way the NBA is trending is towards more skilled players.

[SubZeroParticipant]

I can’t really think of many things at all that Kanter and Thompson have in common

[SubZeroParticipant]

I can’t really think of many things at all that Kanter and Thompson have in common

[reinie13_phxParticipant]

Ill say he is more of Psycho T (Tyler Hansbrough). Under sized for his skillset. He has the upside to be more than a rebounder though, unlike Tyler. He just doesn’t strike me as someone I’d have to gameplan around how to keep him off the boards for years to come. Someone in the draft is going to take him to early and wind up with an undersized PF who clogs the lane and doesn’t stretch the floor very well.

[reinie13_phxParticipant]

Ill say he is more of Psycho T (Tyler Hansbrough). Under sized for his skillset. He has the upside to be more than a rebounder though, unlike Tyler. He just doesn’t strike me as someone I’d have to gameplan around how to keep him off the boards for years to come. Someone in the draft is going to take him to early and wind up with an undersized PF who clogs the lane and doesn’t stretch the floor very well.

[ncballer]

 Brice will have a much bigger role in the NBA than T-Hans.  T-hans’ game was predicated upon using a strength advantage and bulldoozing his way to the line.  His mid range game is okay when he gets the time to set his feet, but his release is super slow. 

 

The stretch the floor point was valid for a while, but as a UNC fan I have seen him improve his touch from 15-17 feet out immensely.  He also has a much quicker release than T-Hans which is huge.  Not to mention his passing from both double teams and the high post has taken a 180 degree turn.  Had an 8 assist game earlier in the season.  

 

He isn’t a lane clogger in my opinion.  I think most of his adjustments are going to need to happen on the defensive end.

[ncballer]

 Brice will have a much bigger role in the NBA than T-Hans.  T-hans’ game was predicated upon using a strength advantage and bulldoozing his way to the line.  His mid range game is okay when he gets the time to set his feet, but his release is super slow. 

 

The stretch the floor point was valid for a while, but as a UNC fan I have seen him improve his touch from 15-17 feet out immensely.  He also has a much quicker release than T-Hans which is huge.  Not to mention his passing from both double teams and the high post has taken a 180 degree turn.  Had an 8 assist game earlier in the season.  

 

He isn’t a lane clogger in my opinion.  I think most of his adjustments are going to need to happen on the defensive end.

[festar35Participant]

Johnson would be a good fit for the same team that drafted Hansbrough.
Turner looks like a C going forward and the best kind of PF to put next to him is a guy who will hustle, rebound and do all the little things. Turner plays that mid-range game so Johnson can spend a bit more time.in the post if he wants. I like Johnson because of his mobility also he should be able to keep up with those stretch-4s that are showing up all over the place.

[festar35Participant]

Johnson would be a good fit for the same team that drafted Hansbrough.
Turner looks like a C going forward and the best kind of PF to put next to him is a guy who will hustle, rebound and do all the little things. Turner plays that mid-range game so Johnson can spend a bit more time.in the post if he wants. I like Johnson because of his mobility also he should be able to keep up with those stretch-4s that are showing up all over the place.

[airenn34Participant]

 Brice is definitely first round material. Somebody posted something that its something to be said about a player who keeps improving every year. Credit to Brice on that. Also for all Brice offensive limitations we are not talking enough about his jumping ability. His second jump or whatever they call it reminds me of Shawn Marion. Straight up springs on the guy. Im from Chicago and I think he can be close to what Taj Gibson is. He’s not the aggresor like Taj but if he can get physically stronger he can carve himself a place in the league like Gibson. He already has a decent range in the 9-12 ft so he’s getting there. He also has a decent motor a coach just needs to hone his concentration.

[airenn34Participant]

 Brice is definitely first round material. Somebody posted something that its something to be said about a player who keeps improving every year. Credit to Brice on that. Also for all Brice offensive limitations we are not talking enough about his jumping ability. His second jump or whatever they call it reminds me of Shawn Marion. Straight up springs on the guy. Im from Chicago and I think he can be close to what Taj Gibson is. He’s not the aggresor like Taj but if he can get physically stronger he can carve himself a place in the league like Gibson. He already has a decent range in the 9-12 ft so he’s getting there. He also has a decent motor a coach just needs to hone his concentration.

[GlenTaylorSucksParticipant]

but definitely a mid-late first in a weak draft. Hes very good at getting second chance points and being a big in the fast break. But, im watching the game vs dook right now, and he couldnt back down brandon ingram…dude needs to gain some muscle of he has any chance of being effective in the nba 

[GlenTaylorSucksParticipant]

but definitely a mid-late first in a weak draft. Hes very good at getting second chance points and being a big in the fast break. But, im watching the game vs dook right now, and he couldnt back down brandon ingram…dude needs to gain some muscle of he has any chance of being effective in the nba 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 Problem with Johnson is that he is still not a good defensive player. He’s long and he can block a shot once in a while but he also goes for a lot only to miss and leave his guy with an easy offensive rebound. He’s also a really bad pick n roll defender despite having all the length/mobility you’d want in a big man. 

He’s got offensive skills and he can run/jump so he can be a solid backup 4 man who brings energy to a second unit but I’d be very afraid of having him in a game late because of his defense. 

The comps to Henson, Faired, Gibson don’t seem to fit for that very reason. 

 

 

 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 Problem with Johnson is that he is still not a good defensive player. He’s long and he can block a shot once in a while but he also goes for a lot only to miss and leave his guy with an easy offensive rebound. He’s also a really bad pick n roll defender despite having all the length/mobility you’d want in a big man. 

He’s got offensive skills and he can run/jump so he can be a solid backup 4 man who brings energy to a second unit but I’d be very afraid of having him in a game late because of his defense. 

The comps to Henson, Faired, Gibson don’t seem to fit for that very reason. 

 

 

 

 

[CavFanPRParticipant]

Perhaps he’s the next Thomas Robinson then? 

[CavFanPRParticipant]

Perhaps he’s the next Thomas Robinson then? 

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