[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmonsnfl2010/101015&sportCat=nba
 

Look at what Bill Simmons said about the Knicks. I like it. 🙂

It’s OK, Knicks fans. Get a little excited. You’re entitled after eight years of misery. Especially because Denver might panic in mid-December after Carmelo tells the team for the 100,000th time, "I only want to play in New York."

Actually, there’s reason to get excited even without a Melo trade. Not everyone embraces playing in New York — the media, the pressure and expectations, the sophistication of the fans — but Amare always carried himself like a superduperstar even when he wasn’t. In New York, strangely, that’s going to work in his favor … unless his knees don’t hold up. You also have Mike D’Antoni (never dull), the intriguing Danilo Gallinari/Anthony Randolph combo (I like them both), Ray Felton (sneaky-good last year until Jameer Nelson destroyed him in the playoffs), and the mysterious Timofey Mozgov (generating "MOZGOV!!!!!!!!!!" e-mails from every Knicks fan I know). I’m not just intrigued; I’m overintrigued.

(Quick note on Randolph, my favorite random player in basketball for three years running now: Knicks fans are great at latching onto tortured talents, showering them with love and redeeming their careers. They did it for Bernard King, John Starks and Latrell Sprewell, three baggage guys with personal demons who played with heart, fed off the MSG fans and thrived. If Randolph is redeemable as an impact player — and I think he is — New York will bring it out. You watch.)

 

[Toronto16Participant]

Ok…..?

[Toronto16Participant]

Ok…..?

[McWinningParticipant]

For now on im gonna post any article on someone saying how good the trailblazers are, and any discreet rumour.

[McWinningParticipant]

For now on im gonna post any article on someone saying how good the trailblazers are, and any discreet rumour.

[llperez]

i always read bill simmons, and he was saying some stuff i really disagree with in that articel. NOt about the knicks, but other stuff like how blake griffin is already a better player then tim duncan.

[llperez]

i always read bill simmons, and he was saying some stuff i really disagree with in that articel. NOt about the knicks, but other stuff like how blake griffin is already a better player then tim duncan.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Bobster… How is Carmelo wanting to go to NY a discreet rumor? Please explain.

Yes, I disagree with the Griffin-Duncan thing.

 

Also, I  posted it because I thought it was interesting.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Bobster… How is Carmelo wanting to go to NY a discreet rumor? Please explain.

Yes, I disagree with the Griffin-Duncan thing.

 

Also, I  posted it because I thought it was interesting.

[llperez]

mr knick, you showing up for the draft in an hour

[llperez]

mr knick, you showing up for the draft in an hour

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Yes sir. I’m there!

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Yes sir. I’m there!

[stanford hoops]

They did it with stark sprewell and king. Lol. That was like 20 years ago

recently the did it with

Sergio rodrigez
darko milic
tracy mcgrady

I had higher hopes for the knicks before preason and seeing how they have no rebounders and defense is still the same (Randolph has zero blocks in the preseason)

[stanford hoops]

They did it with stark sprewell and king. Lol. That was like 20 years ago

recently the did it with

Sergio rodrigez
darko milic
tracy mcgrady

I had higher hopes for the knicks before preason and seeing how they have no rebounders and defense is still the same (Randolph has zero blocks in the preseason)

[sheltwon3Participant]

It is debateable that Griffin is better than Duncan as is of now because Duncan is old.  I disagree with that statement but it is possible that at the end of the season, that remark does not sound like Simmons fascination with a team he watches which he does a lot.  I disagree with Simmons on a lot of things but this article there was not anything I strongly disagreed with him on.

[sheltwon3Participant]

It is debateable that Griffin is better than Duncan as is of now because Duncan is old.  I disagree with that statement but it is possible that at the end of the season, that remark does not sound like Simmons fascination with a team he watches which he does a lot.  I disagree with Simmons on a lot of things but this article there was not anything I strongly disagreed with him on.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Stanford….Gotta be more accurate.

Darko, Rodriguez and McGrady don’t even fit what simmons said.

So because Randolph has no blocks in the preseason, he shouldn’t be taken seriously? I guess the chemistry (3 new starters) should be thrown out the window too huh?

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Stanford….Gotta be more accurate.

Darko, Rodriguez and McGrady don’t even fit what simmons said.

So because Randolph has no blocks in the preseason, he shouldn’t be taken seriously? I guess the chemistry (3 new starters) should be thrown out the window too huh?

[HaleParticipant]

Everytime I watch Randolph, it seems less and less likely he’ll touch his vast potential. He just seems to keep disappointing me.

[HaleParticipant]

Everytime I watch Randolph, it seems less and less likely he’ll touch his vast potential. He just seems to keep disappointing me.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I’ll ask the question: Who was he potentially supposed to be?

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I’ll ask the question: Who was he potentially supposed to be?

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Randolph potential = Lamar Odom/Josh Smith Hyrbid

I love Bill Simmons always an interesting read.  I do agree with what he said about Blake Griffin that he looks like one of the best power forwards in the NBA already, but I do not agree he is better then the Immortal Big Fundamental.

And the Knicks have a lot of potential this year, but I’m not sold on Ray Felton being albe to the run D’Antoni’s offense yet.  Good thing he was only a one year rental.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Randolph potential = Lamar Odom/Josh Smith Hyrbid

I love Bill Simmons always an interesting read.  I do agree with what he said about Blake Griffin that he looks like one of the best power forwards in the NBA already, but I do not agree he is better then the Immortal Big Fundamental.

And the Knicks have a lot of potential this year, but I’m not sold on Ray Felton being albe to the run D’Antoni’s offense yet.  Good thing he was only a one year rental.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

My question: Why Lamar Odom? Because Randolph had somewhat of a handle? Even though he never had a 5 assist game on a terrible LSU squad? Come on, I’m not buying the Odom comparison.

I just feel that if he’s gonna post up 11-14ppg, 5-7rpg and 1-2bpg per game, he’s a good 14th overall pick. People are overrating his talents because they overrated him in the past and he failed to live up to thier expectations.

 

By the way: Anthony Randolph’s 3 games in the preseason:

16-4, 14-3 and 9-5. He’s a 6th man people.

Amar’e Stoudemire on the other hand. Look at this

32-6, 11-2 and 30-5. He’s looking impressive.

 

I do agree, NY needs a rebounder. Maybe trade for one? I dunno.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

My question: Why Lamar Odom? Because Randolph had somewhat of a handle? Even though he never had a 5 assist game on a terrible LSU squad? Come on, I’m not buying the Odom comparison.

I just feel that if he’s gonna post up 11-14ppg, 5-7rpg and 1-2bpg per game, he’s a good 14th overall pick. People are overrating his talents because they overrated him in the past and he failed to live up to thier expectations.

 

By the way: Anthony Randolph’s 3 games in the preseason:

16-4, 14-3 and 9-5. He’s a 6th man people.

Amar’e Stoudemire on the other hand. Look at this

32-6, 11-2 and 30-5. He’s looking impressive.

 

I do agree, NY needs a rebounder. Maybe trade for one? I dunno.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

You are acting like the Lamar Odom comparison is a bad thing.  

The Odom comparison is because of their similar body build, and the fact that coming out of college Don Nelson had Randolph playing point forward.  He can play 4 position just like Odom and for that matter Josh Smith.  But Randolph blocks more shots and is more of a freak along the lines of Josh Smith athletically. 

I think Amare can average 30 this year and I wanna see it happen.  Everybody thought he was too high on Eddie Johnsons list will understand halfway thru the season when Amare is putting up 31 and 8.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

You are acting like the Lamar Odom comparison is a bad thing.  

The Odom comparison is because of their similar body build, and the fact that coming out of college Don Nelson had Randolph playing point forward.  He can play 4 position just like Odom and for that matter Josh Smith.  But Randolph blocks more shots and is more of a freak along the lines of Josh Smith athletically. 

I think Amare can average 30 this year and I wanna see it happen.  Everybody thought he was too high on Eddie Johnsons list will understand halfway thru the season when Amare is putting up 31 and 8.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Never said it was a bad comparison but it was did not match his college stuff. He never had a 5 assist game…how did we know he’d be a LO type passer?

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Never said it was a bad comparison but it was did not match his college stuff. He never had a 5 assist game…how did we know he’d be a LO type passer?

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 He’s not an LO type passer…he don’t have Odom’s court vision…but Randolph has nice passing ability.  He showed it in high school every now and then.  In college he was forced to play in the post a lot without the ball in his hands but in workouts leading up to the draft he was showing off his total package.  And the following summer league he showed off his point forward ability.

A lot of the Odom comparisons was based on Randolph having a similar physique, being a smooth mobile athlete. Left handed.  And his versatility being able to guard multiple positions.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 He’s not an LO type passer…he don’t have Odom’s court vision…but Randolph has nice passing ability.  He showed it in high school every now and then.  In college he was forced to play in the post a lot without the ball in his hands but in workouts leading up to the draft he was showing off his total package.  And the following summer league he showed off his point forward ability.

A lot of the Odom comparisons was based on Randolph having a similar physique, being a smooth mobile athlete. Left handed.  And his versatility being able to guard multiple positions.

[nateoak10Participant]

 If you combined Josh Smith and Lamar Odom you get Randolph

[nateoak10Participant]

 If you combined Josh Smith and Lamar Odom you get Randolph

[stanford hoops]

Knicks latching onto tortured souls

What does chemistry have to do with not blocking shots and taking bad shots

Hoopsworld has a couple quotes from d’antoni saying Randolph needs to work harder has alot of potential and needs to know what a bad and good shot is

That’s not chemistry problem because he did the same thing in golden at

[stanford hoops]

Knicks latching onto tortured souls

What does chemistry have to do with not blocking shots and taking bad shots

Hoopsworld has a couple quotes from d’antoni saying Randolph needs to work harder has alot of potential and needs to know what a bad and good shot is

That’s not chemistry problem because he did the same thing in golden at

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

So the Lakers never latched onto a tortued soul?

When I said Chemistry, I meant the team chemistry for thier defense. I do agree they need another rebounder.

That’s great for Hoopsworld. We already knew Randolph was taking bad shots. He did do the same in GS but he forced shots due to being played like 10 mintues a game. I feel he will be more effective knowing he will have a role.

Honestly, I’m pretty sure I said he was a bench player….That’s you guys thinking he’s a star or starter.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

So the Lakers never latched onto a tortued soul?

When I said Chemistry, I meant the team chemistry for thier defense. I do agree they need another rebounder.

That’s great for Hoopsworld. We already knew Randolph was taking bad shots. He did do the same in GS but he forced shots due to being played like 10 mintues a game. I feel he will be more effective knowing he will have a role.

Honestly, I’m pretty sure I said he was a bench player….That’s you guys thinking he’s a star or starter.

[stanford hoops]

Yea they have. Just funny he only mentioned the successes

[stanford hoops]

Yea they have. Just funny he only mentioned the successes

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

So you would mention negatives to justify something in a article? I don’t think so.

 

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

So you would mention negatives to justify something in a article? I don’t think so.

 

[stanford hoops]

Of course he won’t which is why I did

[stanford hoops]

Of course he won’t which is why I did

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

But you didn’t name anyone who fits Simmons’ description. Rudy and McGrady played like 29 games for NY and neither were bad people in the eyes of the media. Darko doesn’t even count, he got traded midseason and he wasn’t even in games. He discussed redeeming careers. Niether of the 3 played more then 35 games for NY.

Besides another rebounder, I think NY is alright this season. You may disagree, which I don’t have a problem with but that’s a season tickets list I believe. As a Knicks fan, I would love to get some tickets right now because there’s alot of hype going into the season.

 

Another thing- As someone who I believed was knowledgeable, you going off preseason stats made me sad. You never look into those things unless it’s alarming. Randolph averging 0 blocks? Not a big deal in 3 games. Knicks not having rebounding? That’s somewhat a big deal, they can probably find one in FA (Earl Barron maybe) and/or trade for one.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

But you didn’t name anyone who fits Simmons’ description. Rudy and McGrady played like 29 games for NY and neither were bad people in the eyes of the media. Darko doesn’t even count, he got traded midseason and he wasn’t even in games. He discussed redeeming careers. Niether of the 3 played more then 35 games for NY.

Besides another rebounder, I think NY is alright this season. You may disagree, which I don’t have a problem with but that’s a season tickets list I believe. As a Knicks fan, I would love to get some tickets right now because there’s alot of hype going into the season.

 

Another thing- As someone who I believed was knowledgeable, you going off preseason stats made me sad. You never look into those things unless it’s alarming. Randolph averging 0 blocks? Not a big deal in 3 games. Knicks not having rebounding? That’s somewhat a big deal, they can probably find one in FA (Earl Barron maybe) and/or trade for one.

[esperanzafleet69Participant]

i really gotta say perez… how many minutes will timmy d play this year?… at most pop said 25 per….. but then again, how many will blake play? its all gotta do with if he stays healthy… cause if he is, hes instantly a top 3 power forward in the league..

[esperanzafleet69Participant]

i really gotta say perez… how many minutes will timmy d play this year?… at most pop said 25 per….. but then again, how many will blake play? its all gotta do with if he stays healthy… cause if he is, hes instantly a top 3 power forward in the league..

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 New York would be really dangerous if they had Sammy D type center who I think would thrive in the Knicks offense especially playing alongside Amare they would have two pogo sticks downlow.

But if the Knicks were to get an aggressive shot blocker/rim protecter and rebounder down low.

Plus a legit starting shooting guard that can play defense.  I thought Roger Mason was their best option to start at shooting guard before he got off to a bad start in the preseason.  Bill Wallker I still think is going to be an impact player in this league and its him more then anybody that I think will benefit most from D’Antoni.  

If I had to pick one player to keep out of Walker and Randolph I would pick Walker because despite being injury prone he’s an extremely hard worker who knows how to play the game.  He’s a truly underrated talent.

And am I the only one convinced that Gallo is an Italian Peja?

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 New York would be really dangerous if they had Sammy D type center who I think would thrive in the Knicks offense especially playing alongside Amare they would have two pogo sticks downlow.

But if the Knicks were to get an aggressive shot blocker/rim protecter and rebounder down low.

Plus a legit starting shooting guard that can play defense.  I thought Roger Mason was their best option to start at shooting guard before he got off to a bad start in the preseason.  Bill Wallker I still think is going to be an impact player in this league and its him more then anybody that I think will benefit most from D’Antoni.  

If I had to pick one player to keep out of Walker and Randolph I would pick Walker because despite being injury prone he’s an extremely hard worker who knows how to play the game.  He’s a truly underrated talent.

And am I the only one convinced that Gallo is an Italian Peja?

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Gallo is a Italian Hedo without the passing ability. He could score like Peja tho

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Gallo is a Italian Hedo without the passing ability. He could score like Peja tho

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Simmons recently said that Evan Turner is a bigger BUST than Adam Morrison…..lol

Turner might be struggling,but he’s still stuffing the stat sheet..When he does put it all together he’s going to be an amazing player…

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Simmons recently said that Evan Turner is a bigger BUST than Adam Morrison…..lol

Turner might be struggling,but he’s still stuffing the stat sheet..When he does put it all together he’s going to be an amazing player…

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I feel you. Sometimes, Simmons overracted too quickly but when he hits, he hits.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I feel you. Sometimes, Simmons overracted too quickly but when he hits, he hits.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

Gallo is a way better shooter then Hedo is tho.  But you’re right that Gallo is more well rounded on offense then Peja was.  But his scoring and shooting are similar to Peja.

And Evan Turner is top 5 in all rookie stats.  He’s 3rd in steals, 3rd in rebounds, 4th in assists, and 5th in scoring.  He is shooting bad from the field right now but almost every rookie is.  And one spot that Turner is not shooting bad at is the foul line he’s shooting 87% from the charity stripe.  That’s incredible for a rookie and shows that he’s been working on his shot and got good shooting ability he just got to get adjusted to doing it in game speed.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

Gallo is a way better shooter then Hedo is tho.  But you’re right that Gallo is more well rounded on offense then Peja was.  But his scoring and shooting are similar to Peja.

And Evan Turner is top 5 in all rookie stats.  He’s 3rd in steals, 3rd in rebounds, 4th in assists, and 5th in scoring.  He is shooting bad from the field right now but almost every rookie is.  And one spot that Turner is not shooting bad at is the foul line he’s shooting 87% from the charity stripe.  That’s incredible for a rookie and shows that he’s been working on his shot and got good shooting ability he just got to get adjusted to doing it in game speed.

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

The Knicks will live and die with Amare and he’ll get hurt…Randolph will never be more than a decent bench guy…I’d say he’s a Bust…He was seen to be a Bosh/Odom type of player…Ray Felton will be exposed under those bright lights…Gallo will never be more than check and shoot threat and Chandler is not that good as a Starter…Bad Teams always score…so what..lets see them beat a Good Team during the second…Mosgov will not be in the NBA in a year…Turiaf is trash…Walker is one injury away from early retirement

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

The Knicks will live and die with Amare and he’ll get hurt…Randolph will never be more than a decent bench guy…I’d say he’s a Bust…He was seen to be a Bosh/Odom type of player…Ray Felton will be exposed under those bright lights…Gallo will never be more than check and shoot threat and Chandler is not that good as a Starter…Bad Teams always score…so what..lets see them beat a Good Team during the second…Mosgov will not be in the NBA in a year…Turiaf is trash…Walker is one injury away from early retirement

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Sigh, if that’s how you feel man.

I always said Randolph would be a bench player

Raymond Felton got embrassed in his 1st playoff series by a PG who played in 5 series…Should I post all the people who had terrible 1st playoff series?

Gallinari is a Hedo type player minus the passing.

Chandler is alright, he hasn’t done terrible at all. He’s solid.

Mozgov is a big body….he will be in the NBA.

I don’t really care about Turiaf or Walker (when everyone liked him) so that doesn’t matter to me.

 

I never said NY would win 50 games nor would they be anything higher then a 7th seed. So you my brother….can fall back.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Sigh, if that’s how you feel man.

I always said Randolph would be a bench player

Raymond Felton got embrassed in his 1st playoff series by a PG who played in 5 series…Should I post all the people who had terrible 1st playoff series?

Gallinari is a Hedo type player minus the passing.

Chandler is alright, he hasn’t done terrible at all. He’s solid.

Mozgov is a big body….he will be in the NBA.

I don’t really care about Turiaf or Walker (when everyone liked him) so that doesn’t matter to me.

 

I never said NY would win 50 games nor would they be anything higher then a 7th seed. So you my brother….can fall back.

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

Basketball…Blake isn’t better than Duncan now and he won’t be for a long time…Blake would not be a top 5 power forward if he didn’t break his knee cap…Do people really think coming off all that before he even played a real game a rookie could be a top 3 Power Forward already….

 

I like Blake a lot…but he’s not a top 20 Power Foward yet…and he still has to prove he can survive an 82 game season,win and look could doing it before we can even begin to Think he’s better than anyone Named Tim Duncan…

That statement by Simmons is why I hate ESPN…does anyone else think that If Dnyce said that…he’d have another – 100 point thread…

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

Basketball…Blake isn’t better than Duncan now and he won’t be for a long time…Blake would not be a top 5 power forward if he didn’t break his knee cap…Do people really think coming off all that before he even played a real game a rookie could be a top 3 Power Forward already….

 

I like Blake a lot…but he’s not a top 20 Power Foward yet…and he still has to prove he can survive an 82 game season,win and look could doing it before we can even begin to Think he’s better than anyone Named Tim Duncan…

That statement by Simmons is why I hate ESPN…does anyone else think that If Dnyce said that…he’d have another – 100 point thread…

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Bill Simmons is not a idiot. He’s a top 5 basketball guy.

You may not like him but most people can agree he’s one of the greatest basketball minds out there. I also said in the previous posts that he does jump to conclusion too quickly.

 

Also on the Griffin better then Duncan stuff. Let’s not forget, Griffin has looked impressive this preseason. The last rookie to come in and be a top 5 guy was Tim Duncan, I doubt Griffin does that but I wouldn’t be shocked if he posted 17-9 this season.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Bill Simmons is not a idiot. He’s a top 5 basketball guy.

You may not like him but most people can agree he’s one of the greatest basketball minds out there. I also said in the previous posts that he does jump to conclusion too quickly.

 

Also on the Griffin better then Duncan stuff. Let’s not forget, Griffin has looked impressive this preseason. The last rookie to come in and be a top 5 guy was Tim Duncan, I doubt Griffin does that but I wouldn’t be shocked if he posted 17-9 this season.

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

So what…you guys have to prove that you even deserve any hype…

You failed in Free Agency…Amare for the Max is a fail….

Traded your best player for Randolph( who you just said is a bench guy) Turiaf who you just said is trash and Mosgov is out playing and an Injured bench player in Kelena Azibuke…I spelled that wrong too…

Got a front row seat to Lebron’s kiss my ass show…Infact it was almost as big a diss to NY as it was the Cavs

Your biggest summer move was getting Timofey Mosgov( seriously you guys are super high on him for what )

And on top …2 of the 3 guys you traded Lee for have been very average in summer league and preseason.

That’s your 2011 NY Knicks…If and when Amare goes with an Injury…Your a lottery team…and then the Rockets will just take your pick…hahahahahahahahaha….enjoy the season….

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

So what…you guys have to prove that you even deserve any hype…

You failed in Free Agency…Amare for the Max is a fail….

Traded your best player for Randolph( who you just said is a bench guy) Turiaf who you just said is trash and Mosgov is out playing and an Injured bench player in Kelena Azibuke…I spelled that wrong too…

Got a front row seat to Lebron’s kiss my ass show…Infact it was almost as big a diss to NY as it was the Cavs

Your biggest summer move was getting Timofey Mosgov( seriously you guys are super high on him for what )

And on top …2 of the 3 guys you traded Lee for have been very average in summer league and preseason.

That’s your 2011 NY Knicks…If and when Amare goes with an Injury…Your a lottery team…and then the Rockets will just take your pick…hahahahahahahahaha….enjoy the season….

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 If Blakes stays healthy he is rookie of the year and a top tier Power Forward right away.  I’m not gonna put a number on him or put him above proven champions but Blake is def going to be a problem.

And I love Bill Walker always have…

Hahaha yeah if one of us said the Blake Griffin was better then Tim Duncan in a thread OMG people would flip…

I don’t think Chandler is a starting shooting guard but depending on the situation he can be a nice starting small forward but he is in no way a starting shooting guard.

And you can’t blame Ray Felton for lil Meer Meer taking it to him.  Meer Meer will get the best of them.

But Felton might very well be exposed.   There will be not in between.  He will either thrive and die in New York

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 If Blakes stays healthy he is rookie of the year and a top tier Power Forward right away.  I’m not gonna put a number on him or put him above proven champions but Blake is def going to be a problem.

And I love Bill Walker always have…

Hahaha yeah if one of us said the Blake Griffin was better then Tim Duncan in a thread OMG people would flip…

I don’t think Chandler is a starting shooting guard but depending on the situation he can be a nice starting small forward but he is in no way a starting shooting guard.

And you can’t blame Ray Felton for lil Meer Meer taking it to him.  Meer Meer will get the best of them.

But Felton might very well be exposed.   There will be not in between.  He will either thrive and die in New York

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Your’e Opinion chief. I have no problem at all here.

Eddy Curry off the books next season= another max player?

Raymond Felton and Ronny Turiaf  off the books in 2 seasons (combined 15 mil)= another good player?

I said pre draft, the Knicks won’t go from outhouse to penthouse unless they got LeBron. You get Amar’e Stoudemire, who everyone can agree is a top 15 player in the NBA.

Landry Fields is looking like a nice steal in round 2. Randolph is a bench guy, but he has potential to be a little better. Like I said, if he’s a 12-8-2 guy ( which is possible) I won’t be mad. Randolph just needs the LOVE. Your also forgetting, NY will still has a 1st round pick in 2011 draft. 

Let’s not forget Carmelo likes NY and NY is still looking at Rudy Fernandez. This is not a finished project.

 

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Your’e Opinion chief. I have no problem at all here.

Eddy Curry off the books next season= another max player?

Raymond Felton and Ronny Turiaf  off the books in 2 seasons (combined 15 mil)= another good player?

I said pre draft, the Knicks won’t go from outhouse to penthouse unless they got LeBron. You get Amar’e Stoudemire, who everyone can agree is a top 15 player in the NBA.

Landry Fields is looking like a nice steal in round 2. Randolph is a bench guy, but he has potential to be a little better. Like I said, if he’s a 12-8-2 guy ( which is possible) I won’t be mad. Randolph just needs the LOVE. Your also forgetting, NY will still has a 1st round pick in 2011 draft. 

Let’s not forget Carmelo likes NY and NY is still looking at Rudy Fernandez. This is not a finished project.

 

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

Where’s Dr.Jack Ramsey…Hubbie Brown…Dean Smith….Larry Brown….Phil Jackson…Dick Vitale…sike…

Simmons is a fan that gets to write his views and have it spread across the world…He’s not a great basketball mind at all…

Any one with half a mind for this game would never say a guy like Griffin is better than a top 10 all time player in Duncan before he’s played 1 regular season game…

Griffin is a stud Forward who’ll be a tough nosed defender,rebounder and low post option…He can become a 20/10 guy if he really’s work on the mid range jump shot and real post moves…Right now he’s a dunker/rebounder who can post up young/bad defenders…he’s Kenyon Martin in his first year…High Lights and High Expectations…

Has far as the Knicks…I wouldn’t be suprised if he was told to write about/hype up the NY fan base…

Because they’re 4 to 5 teams not Named The Heat/Celtics and Magic that are better than the Knicks…I think they need the hype to get into the playoff picture…

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

Where’s Dr.Jack Ramsey…Hubbie Brown…Dean Smith….Larry Brown….Phil Jackson…Dick Vitale…sike…

Simmons is a fan that gets to write his views and have it spread across the world…He’s not a great basketball mind at all…

Any one with half a mind for this game would never say a guy like Griffin is better than a top 10 all time player in Duncan before he’s played 1 regular season game…

Griffin is a stud Forward who’ll be a tough nosed defender,rebounder and low post option…He can become a 20/10 guy if he really’s work on the mid range jump shot and real post moves…Right now he’s a dunker/rebounder who can post up young/bad defenders…he’s Kenyon Martin in his first year…High Lights and High Expectations…

Has far as the Knicks…I wouldn’t be suprised if he was told to write about/hype up the NY fan base…

Because they’re 4 to 5 teams not Named The Heat/Celtics and Magic that are better than the Knicks…I think they need the hype to get into the playoff picture…

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Those guys you named are coaches and such so I don’t count them. There’s in a different bracket.

Blake Griffin=Kenyon Martin? I’m not even gonna attack that. If that’s what you think, all I can say is LOL

 

True, there are teams who will be fighting for those last 2 playoff spots: When did I ever deny that?

Also, if Bill Simmons asked me to hype up the Knicks….you really think I’d start here?

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Those guys you named are coaches and such so I don’t count them. There’s in a different bracket.

Blake Griffin=Kenyon Martin? I’m not even gonna attack that. If that’s what you think, all I can say is LOL

 

True, there are teams who will be fighting for those last 2 playoff spots: When did I ever deny that?

Also, if Bill Simmons asked me to hype up the Knicks….you really think I’d start here?

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 I want the Knicks to get Fernandez he would look great in their system.  And Why is Bill Walker not the starting shooting guard.  He is shooting lights out in the preseason.

Anthony Randolph really looks like he don’t care enough.  I was a big fan of him in the draft and watched horrifically as the Warriors drafted him 14 despite having Wright when the Sixers had the 16th pick.

I think Randolph could get your team 14 ppg, 8.5 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 1.4 steals, and 2 blocks in 30 minutes a night off the bench or starting dont matter.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 I want the Knicks to get Fernandez he would look great in their system.  And Why is Bill Walker not the starting shooting guard.  He is shooting lights out in the preseason.

Anthony Randolph really looks like he don’t care enough.  I was a big fan of him in the draft and watched horrifically as the Warriors drafted him 14 despite having Wright when the Sixers had the 16th pick.

I think Randolph could get your team 14 ppg, 8.5 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 1.4 steals, and 2 blocks in 30 minutes a night off the bench or starting dont matter.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

The issue with Randolph: He’s nervous and he’s thinking too much. He wants to make the smart play too much. He needs to be that raw athlete who attacks and plays hard.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

The issue with Randolph: He’s nervous and he’s thinking too much. He wants to make the smart play too much. He needs to be that raw athlete who attacks and plays hard.

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

What did all that money get NY last summer…Amare for the Max and Ray Felton for 2 years…I know the plan is

2010. Get Amare and a bench…check

2011. Get Carmelo and the pick…but you have to wait another year of sub par play only with a "Star" now…

2012. Get Chris Paul….Copy cat a big 3 with Cp3/Melo and Stat…Gallo,Randolph,Chandler and the (who you may not be able resign)

2011…Eddie Curry = another Max Guy…who besides Carmelo next summer is worth the Max??? You may have to Max JR Smith haha…sike naw…who’s out there though…you haven’t learned from last year…about all your eggs being placed in one basket…It ay very well happen…at what cost though…

2012…You better pray nobody else gets some Money to challenge you in Free Agency for not only Paul but the glut of your roster in 2012…their may be a lock out in that time…and the salary cap could prevent how much any one can spend… It’s good to think ahead…but be for real…New York can’t/won’t be good unless they get Melo and Paul in the next years…Amare can be very much deminished in that time( why do you think The Suns wouldn’t give him the Max???) They wanted new legs….

 

 

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

What did all that money get NY last summer…Amare for the Max and Ray Felton for 2 years…I know the plan is

2010. Get Amare and a bench…check

2011. Get Carmelo and the pick…but you have to wait another year of sub par play only with a "Star" now…

2012. Get Chris Paul….Copy cat a big 3 with Cp3/Melo and Stat…Gallo,Randolph,Chandler and the (who you may not be able resign)

2011…Eddie Curry = another Max Guy…who besides Carmelo next summer is worth the Max??? You may have to Max JR Smith haha…sike naw…who’s out there though…you haven’t learned from last year…about all your eggs being placed in one basket…It ay very well happen…at what cost though…

2012…You better pray nobody else gets some Money to challenge you in Free Agency for not only Paul but the glut of your roster in 2012…their may be a lock out in that time…and the salary cap could prevent how much any one can spend… It’s good to think ahead…but be for real…New York can’t/won’t be good unless they get Melo and Paul in the next years…Amare can be very much deminished in that time( why do you think The Suns wouldn’t give him the Max???) They wanted new legs….

 

 

[knicksfreakParticipant]

Scarecrow: name the 4 teams that are better than the Knicks excluding Miami, Boston, Orlando, and Chicago.

Remember that the Knicks ALWAYS somehow beat Atlanta.

The Knicks have the best PF in the league, one of the best shooters in the league, size at every position on the floor, and one of the deepest rosters in the NBA.

The D’Antoni system wins regular system games. The playoffs may be another story but the Knicks will win enough games to make the playoffs.

[knicksfreakParticipant]

Scarecrow: name the 4 teams that are better than the Knicks excluding Miami, Boston, Orlando, and Chicago.

Remember that the Knicks ALWAYS somehow beat Atlanta.

The Knicks have the best PF in the league, one of the best shooters in the league, size at every position on the floor, and one of the deepest rosters in the NBA.

The D’Antoni system wins regular system games. The playoffs may be another story but the Knicks will win enough games to make the playoffs.

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

Randolph is not better than Speights…They are the same guy up stairs but the only difference is M16 has 20 + point a game potential and Randolph might top off at 15-20( this is if both were given starting spots on Bad Teams)

The Pacers are a Team that could use a Starting PF like Speights or even Randolph

Speights is poor mans Amare/Lamarcus Aldridge…

Randolph was supposed to be a poor man’s Bosh now’s he falling to a poor man’s Lamar Odom

both have the same amount of potential in my eyes…But Speights has lit up Howard and Gasol…The same with Hawes…he had good games against the Lakers and Magic too…I haven’t seen Randolph light up a big team yet…

We were lucky that we got Speights Mr 19134…Randolph is already on team 2 and might take a team 3 to really be a good player…Speights should start over Brand but EB has to earn that money and he’s a veteran…I still think they should start Speights and Hawes and bring in Brand as the 6th Man with Turner the Best 7th man in the League…

We have to see what we have in Thad/Speights and Hawes…why not start all 3 together with Jrue and Iguadola

Maybe they get a swagger as starters and fulfill their potential has 20 point players(Thad,Speights and Hawes can all get 20 on any night right now as role players…imagine they start for 82 games)

At the very worst..they get the chance to grow and we get a shot at Barnes/Jones/Kanter/Sullinger/Irving or Knight…We need a shot blocker but I’d draft BPA over a role player…you can get a Center in Free Agency…

Dalembert is ironicly a Free Agent…also Tyson Chandler is out there too…And lets not forgot about This Guy named Greg Oden…I would do what I could to get Oden…I think the Blazers are given him up this year and if the Sixers have 7 to 10 million they should get that Man to defend the Rim…I’d want Sullinger at that point in the Draft…

A line up Of

Holiday/Lou Williams( I feel we could/should trade Lou Will for a Veteran Pg or Pick )

Iggy/Turner ( 6th man canidate next year) /Meeks

Thad/Nocioni/ FA( I would Mbah Moute from The Bucks…)

Sullinger( top 10 pick ) / Brand / Speights( who may become trade bait for a good back SF)

Oden(with the 7 to 10 in Cap…I dont the Blazers match that offer with Camby and Joel)/Hawes

That’s a very solid team…Oden if healthy would make us a force and even with that youth in Philly it’d be fun to watch…

Say it with me " It’s Holiday Season"

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

Randolph is not better than Speights…They are the same guy up stairs but the only difference is M16 has 20 + point a game potential and Randolph might top off at 15-20( this is if both were given starting spots on Bad Teams)

The Pacers are a Team that could use a Starting PF like Speights or even Randolph

Speights is poor mans Amare/Lamarcus Aldridge…

Randolph was supposed to be a poor man’s Bosh now’s he falling to a poor man’s Lamar Odom

both have the same amount of potential in my eyes…But Speights has lit up Howard and Gasol…The same with Hawes…he had good games against the Lakers and Magic too…I haven’t seen Randolph light up a big team yet…

We were lucky that we got Speights Mr 19134…Randolph is already on team 2 and might take a team 3 to really be a good player…Speights should start over Brand but EB has to earn that money and he’s a veteran…I still think they should start Speights and Hawes and bring in Brand as the 6th Man with Turner the Best 7th man in the League…

We have to see what we have in Thad/Speights and Hawes…why not start all 3 together with Jrue and Iguadola

Maybe they get a swagger as starters and fulfill their potential has 20 point players(Thad,Speights and Hawes can all get 20 on any night right now as role players…imagine they start for 82 games)

At the very worst..they get the chance to grow and we get a shot at Barnes/Jones/Kanter/Sullinger/Irving or Knight…We need a shot blocker but I’d draft BPA over a role player…you can get a Center in Free Agency…

Dalembert is ironicly a Free Agent…also Tyson Chandler is out there too…And lets not forgot about This Guy named Greg Oden…I would do what I could to get Oden…I think the Blazers are given him up this year and if the Sixers have 7 to 10 million they should get that Man to defend the Rim…I’d want Sullinger at that point in the Draft…

A line up Of

Holiday/Lou Williams( I feel we could/should trade Lou Will for a Veteran Pg or Pick )

Iggy/Turner ( 6th man canidate next year) /Meeks

Thad/Nocioni/ FA( I would Mbah Moute from The Bucks…)

Sullinger( top 10 pick ) / Brand / Speights( who may become trade bait for a good back SF)

Oden(with the 7 to 10 in Cap…I dont the Blazers match that offer with Camby and Joel)/Hawes

That’s a very solid team…Oden if healthy would make us a force and even with that youth in Philly it’d be fun to watch…

Say it with me " It’s Holiday Season"

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

The Bulls…The Hawks…The Bucks…The Sixers….The Bobcats…and potentially the Piston’s with McGrady and Monroe

The Pistons are a sleeper team in the East…Stuckey/Rip/Prince/TMac/Big Ben Gordon/Monroe/Charlie V/Bynum/Maxiel/Daye/Wilcox and Ben Wallace( I think )

The Knicks are not the deepest team in The East and their not even close to the Pistons depth chart…who are my 9 th team in the East…Hype and a Monster season from Amare/Gallo and Randolph are the only thing that can get the Knicks into playoffs…The Knicks are the 10th best team in the East IMO

The Hawks may have lost to the Knicks during the regular season but they’ve at least consitantly made the Playoffs…

How are the Knicks better than them…???

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

The Bulls…The Hawks…The Bucks…The Sixers….The Bobcats…and potentially the Piston’s with McGrady and Monroe

The Pistons are a sleeper team in the East…Stuckey/Rip/Prince/TMac/Big Ben Gordon/Monroe/Charlie V/Bynum/Maxiel/Daye/Wilcox and Ben Wallace( I think )

The Knicks are not the deepest team in The East and their not even close to the Pistons depth chart…who are my 9 th team in the East…Hype and a Monster season from Amare/Gallo and Randolph are the only thing that can get the Knicks into playoffs…The Knicks are the 10th best team in the East IMO

The Hawks may have lost to the Knicks during the regular season but they’ve at least consitantly made the Playoffs…

How are the Knicks better than them…???

[knicksfreakParticipant]

I’d say the Knicks are on the same level as the Bucks as long as Bogut stays healthy. The Knicks are better than the sixers, Bobcats and Pistons

[knicksfreakParticipant]

I’d say the Knicks are on the same level as the Bucks as long as Bogut stays healthy. The Knicks are better than the sixers, Bobcats and Pistons

[HaleParticipant]

You really think the Knicks are as good as the Bucks? What other than PF can they compare to Milwaukee with? PG, SG,SF, C and bench all go the Bucks and it’s not close.

[HaleParticipant]

You really think the Knicks are as good as the Bucks? What other than PF can they compare to Milwaukee with? PG, SG,SF, C and bench all go the Bucks and it’s not close.

[billykParticipant]

Lol hype up the Sixer and trash the Knicks… I guess perception is reality…. Sixers are gonna be trash next year, theeir best player is a 3rd option.. Spieghts is overrated and has a low BBALL IQ (he wishes hes a poor mans STAT)….  Hawes is a 7 footer that plays like hes 6 feet… Turner aint gonna be NO 6 th man of the year candidate (thats a joke)…

The Sixer will win about 30-35 games next year, atleast the Knicks have a chance to make the playoffs (6,7,8th seed).. SIXERS HAVE NO CHANCE…

[andxxxParticipant]

I could argue the Wizards have more overall talent than the knicks

[billykParticipant]

Lol hype up the Sixer and trash the Knicks… I guess perception is reality…. Sixers are gonna be trash next year, theeir best player is a 3rd option.. Spieghts is overrated and has a low BBALL IQ (he wishes hes a poor mans STAT)….  Hawes is a 7 footer that plays like hes 6 feet… Turner aint gonna be NO 6 th man of the year candidate (thats a joke)…

The Sixer will win about 30-35 games next year, atleast the Knicks have a chance to make the playoffs (6,7,8th seed).. SIXERS HAVE NO CHANCE…

[andxxxParticipant]

I could argue the Wizards have more overall talent than the knicks

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

I’ll break it down for you position by position…

PG…Holiday and Lou Williams Vs. Felton and Tony Douglas…Sixers by a mile…Holiday will have a huge year and Lou Will Is a 6th man type of guy…Felton was exposed in the Playoffs and Douglas is a shooter/career 10th man…

SG…Why should I even Say this…Iggy and Evan Turner Vs. R.Mason,Chandler,Azibuke and Walker…Are 2 are better than your 4 shooting guards and by a mile…

SF…Young and Nocioni( and Iggy at times) Vs. Gallo/Randolph and Fields…to this point Thad has been better than Gallo and Randolph combined and Nocioni is a proven veteran that defends and hits big 3’s off the bench…Thta’s another win for the Sixers…

PF…I know you’ve been waiting for this One…Brand,Speights and Brackins Vs. Amare and who’s their backup 4…Brand rebounds better Amare has a 32 year veteran and Speights can score with the best of them too…Brackins can also score and rebound better than the back up bigs on the Knicks Roster…Amare is a Top 20 player but that won’t equal wins…I believe Philly’s depth and talent at the position gives them another win IMO…

C…Hawes and Battie Vs. Eddie Curry,Ronny Turiaf and wait for it ……Timofeyyyyyyyy Mosgovvvvvvvvv…now Hawes is better than Turiaf and Mosgov( Curry won’t see time and isn’t even an NBA caliber player in everyone’s eyes…why he still exist is a mystery)  Battie is a proven veteran and solid defender that basicly does everything Turiaf does..Hawes can be a Brad Miller type center and with the starting spot in Philly he’ll produce more than Mosgov and Turiaf combined

I’d like to hear why you think the Knicks are better than the Sixers…other than having Amare…and praying for Carmelo everyday…

FYI…The Nuggets would rather trade him to The Sixers…The Knicks have garbage to offer in a trade…Melo is just to blind to see their team is Garbage too…minus Amare and maybe Felton and Gallo ( who are average starters at best people)

I will not even tell you how high you sound saying The Knicks are on par with Bucks…they have a Real Pg and C and entire team of perfect role players…They are 10 games better than the Knicks IMO…

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

I’ll break it down for you position by position…

PG…Holiday and Lou Williams Vs. Felton and Tony Douglas…Sixers by a mile…Holiday will have a huge year and Lou Will Is a 6th man type of guy…Felton was exposed in the Playoffs and Douglas is a shooter/career 10th man…

SG…Why should I even Say this…Iggy and Evan Turner Vs. R.Mason,Chandler,Azibuke and Walker…Are 2 are better than your 4 shooting guards and by a mile…

SF…Young and Nocioni( and Iggy at times) Vs. Gallo/Randolph and Fields…to this point Thad has been better than Gallo and Randolph combined and Nocioni is a proven veteran that defends and hits big 3’s off the bench…Thta’s another win for the Sixers…

PF…I know you’ve been waiting for this One…Brand,Speights and Brackins Vs. Amare and who’s their backup 4…Brand rebounds better Amare has a 32 year veteran and Speights can score with the best of them too…Brackins can also score and rebound better than the back up bigs on the Knicks Roster…Amare is a Top 20 player but that won’t equal wins…I believe Philly’s depth and talent at the position gives them another win IMO…

C…Hawes and Battie Vs. Eddie Curry,Ronny Turiaf and wait for it ……Timofeyyyyyyyy Mosgovvvvvvvvv…now Hawes is better than Turiaf and Mosgov( Curry won’t see time and isn’t even an NBA caliber player in everyone’s eyes…why he still exist is a mystery)  Battie is a proven veteran and solid defender that basicly does everything Turiaf does..Hawes can be a Brad Miller type center and with the starting spot in Philly he’ll produce more than Mosgov and Turiaf combined

I’d like to hear why you think the Knicks are better than the Sixers…other than having Amare…and praying for Carmelo everyday…

FYI…The Nuggets would rather trade him to The Sixers…The Knicks have garbage to offer in a trade…Melo is just to blind to see their team is Garbage too…minus Amare and maybe Felton and Gallo ( who are average starters at best people)

I will not even tell you how high you sound saying The Knicks are on par with Bucks…they have a Real Pg and C and entire team of perfect role players…They are 10 games better than the Knicks IMO…

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

FYI…The Nuggets would rather trade him to The Sixers…The Knicks have garbage to offer in a trade…Melo is just to blind to see their team is Garbage too…minus Amare and maybe Felton and Gallo ( who are average starters at best people)

 

LMFAO…..You got that from me because I made a post about it.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

FYI…The Nuggets would rather trade him to The Sixers…The Knicks have garbage to offer in a trade…Melo is just to blind to see their team is Garbage too…minus Amare and maybe Felton and Gallo ( who are average starters at best people)

 

LMFAO…..You got that from me because I made a post about it.

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

They have Arenas acting a little enigmatic and that can hurt them through the season…I think they have  arough year, get another high lottery pick and bounce back and become a playoff team next year…If Gilbert wasn’t a headcase they’d be a sleeper team to make the Playoffs too…

Now As far as Hyping up the Sixers and Trashing the Knicks…This thread about Bill Simmons was Hyping the Knicks up and thought it was a good time to talk about something a lot better…The Sixers…

Now Speights is not Amare but he can score and rebound at will on most nights and if was giving the starting spot would have huge games against good to great competition…He’s put up big numbers against Howard and Gasol in his young career…

My point is he’s better than Randolph all day, every day…Randolph is a al hype and potential…at least Speights as found a role and has actually looked good when put in big games…

Turner will not become a 6th man canidate this year stupid( I said next year he’d easily become a 6th man…He can get 15-5-5 off the bench next season…he’s going to get around 12-4 and 4 this year off the bench…

The Sixers have the talent to be a Playoff team easily, but with their youth and inexperience in certain spots they may just fall short…I love the idea of having a real bad season this and I’m a huge fan and competitor…i just want that 1 player we might need to get wayyyyy over the top…Perry Jones,Jared Sullinger and Enes Kanter could be those type of players that could help do it…

But we will be in the Mix and are better than the Knicks…I just left a detailed reason why…

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

They have Arenas acting a little enigmatic and that can hurt them through the season…I think they have  arough year, get another high lottery pick and bounce back and become a playoff team next year…If Gilbert wasn’t a headcase they’d be a sleeper team to make the Playoffs too…

Now As far as Hyping up the Sixers and Trashing the Knicks…This thread about Bill Simmons was Hyping the Knicks up and thought it was a good time to talk about something a lot better…The Sixers…

Now Speights is not Amare but he can score and rebound at will on most nights and if was giving the starting spot would have huge games against good to great competition…He’s put up big numbers against Howard and Gasol in his young career…

My point is he’s better than Randolph all day, every day…Randolph is a al hype and potential…at least Speights as found a role and has actually looked good when put in big games…

Turner will not become a 6th man canidate this year stupid( I said next year he’d easily become a 6th man…He can get 15-5-5 off the bench next season…he’s going to get around 12-4 and 4 this year off the bench…

The Sixers have the talent to be a Playoff team easily, but with their youth and inexperience in certain spots they may just fall short…I love the idea of having a real bad season this and I’m a huge fan and competitor…i just want that 1 player we might need to get wayyyyy over the top…Perry Jones,Jared Sullinger and Enes Kanter could be those type of players that could help do it…

But we will be in the Mix and are better than the Knicks…I just left a detailed reason why…

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

" FYI…The Nuggets would rather trade him to The Sixers…The Knicks have garbage to offer in a trade…Melo is just to blind to see their team is Garbage too…minus Amare and maybe Felton and Gallo ( who are average starters at best people) LMFAO….."

"You got that from me because I made a post about it."

What the hell are you talking about…I think you just confirmed what I been saying…New York has garbage to offer teams in a trade…and their roster isn’t good at all…Amare is the only player people respect and he could get injured at any point of the season…why didn’t The Suns offer him a Max Deal??? because they had first hand information that said he’s on the way to a bad injury and it wasn’t worth it to give a walking Injury a 6 year/100 million Dollar Deal…Good Move New york…You got the Knees no Team wanted to trade for…

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

" FYI…The Nuggets would rather trade him to The Sixers…The Knicks have garbage to offer in a trade…Melo is just to blind to see their team is Garbage too…minus Amare and maybe Felton and Gallo ( who are average starters at best people) LMFAO….."

"You got that from me because I made a post about it."

What the hell are you talking about…I think you just confirmed what I been saying…New York has garbage to offer teams in a trade…and their roster isn’t good at all…Amare is the only player people respect and he could get injured at any point of the season…why didn’t The Suns offer him a Max Deal??? because they had first hand information that said he’s on the way to a bad injury and it wasn’t worth it to give a walking Injury a 6 year/100 million Dollar Deal…Good Move New york…You got the Knees no Team wanted to trade for…

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

Scare Crow 1….NY Fans 0

You guys suck and can’t argue with me about basketball…Your Team has the highest Fan base ever…Mosgov is your savior…Go pray for Melo and CP3…Maybe GOD is a Knicks Fan too…

I’m still waiting for a Rebuttal…even if It was Biased and full of Shyt….at least you fought back…

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

Scare Crow 1….NY Fans 0

You guys suck and can’t argue with me about basketball…Your Team has the highest Fan base ever…Mosgov is your savior…Go pray for Melo and CP3…Maybe GOD is a Knicks Fan too…

I’m still waiting for a Rebuttal…even if It was Biased and full of Shyt….at least you fought back…

[McWinningParticipant]

The Bulls, Heat, Celtics, Bucks Hawks, And magic are clearly better than the Knicks.

Simmons was quick to mention the bright spots, but left out the negatives, their the worst rebounding team in the league, they play pretty bad defense, and they dont have a legit second guy, If you guys cant keep Luke Harngody off the boards have fun with Dwight Howard, if that ends up as a 2 v 7 matchup they would get swept easily.

[McWinningParticipant]

The Bulls, Heat, Celtics, Bucks Hawks, And magic are clearly better than the Knicks.

Simmons was quick to mention the bright spots, but left out the negatives, their the worst rebounding team in the league, they play pretty bad defense, and they dont have a legit second guy, If you guys cant keep Luke Harngody off the boards have fun with Dwight Howard, if that ends up as a 2 v 7 matchup they would get swept easily.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 The Sixers best lineup thus far has actually been Thad at 4 and Brand at 5 with M16 providing that scoring punch off the bench.

I hate when people say Brand cant play center because he actually does very well at Center.  Brand got a 7’6 wingspan and a 9’2 standing reach giving him more then enough length to play with any big.  

Speights needs more minutes tho the dude is a scoring machine what Eddie Jordan was thinking last year nobody knows but how he handled Speights was a disgrace and one of the more obvious reasons he lost his job.

Speights should of been a 12 and 7 guy last year at the least but didn’t get any playing time.  Per 40 minutes he was a 21 and 10 guy.  Speights got gobs of potential as a scorer.  Him and Hawes are the reason the Sixers really need a defensive big just like Sammy D but then again most teams need another Defensive big.

Trade Idea:  Reunite Iggy with Durant in OKC.  They played great together in the Olympics and Iggy provides that elite defense they need on the wing to compete in the West.  Him and Thabo make OKC one of the scariest perimeter defense teams in the league.

OKC gets Iggy

Sixers get  Serge Ibaka and Mo Petes expiring contract, and a first round pick.

OKC steals Iggy off us for a pick and Ibaka pretty much.  The Thunder have the cap room to eat the difference in contracts too so it gives the Sixers cap relief.  And also a rim protector who could develop into an elite defensive big man.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 The Sixers best lineup thus far has actually been Thad at 4 and Brand at 5 with M16 providing that scoring punch off the bench.

I hate when people say Brand cant play center because he actually does very well at Center.  Brand got a 7’6 wingspan and a 9’2 standing reach giving him more then enough length to play with any big.  

Speights needs more minutes tho the dude is a scoring machine what Eddie Jordan was thinking last year nobody knows but how he handled Speights was a disgrace and one of the more obvious reasons he lost his job.

Speights should of been a 12 and 7 guy last year at the least but didn’t get any playing time.  Per 40 minutes he was a 21 and 10 guy.  Speights got gobs of potential as a scorer.  Him and Hawes are the reason the Sixers really need a defensive big just like Sammy D but then again most teams need another Defensive big.

Trade Idea:  Reunite Iggy with Durant in OKC.  They played great together in the Olympics and Iggy provides that elite defense they need on the wing to compete in the West.  Him and Thabo make OKC one of the scariest perimeter defense teams in the league.

OKC gets Iggy

Sixers get  Serge Ibaka and Mo Petes expiring contract, and a first round pick.

OKC steals Iggy off us for a pick and Ibaka pretty much.  The Thunder have the cap room to eat the difference in contracts too so it gives the Sixers cap relief.  And also a rim protector who could develop into an elite defensive big man.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

What the hell are you talking about…I think you just confirmed what I been saying…New York has garbage to offer teams in a trade…and their roster isn’t good at all…Amare is the only player people respect and he could get injured at any point of the season…why didn’t The Suns offer him a Max Deal??? because they had first hand information that said he’s on the way to a bad injury and it wasn’t worth it to give a walking Injury a 6 year/100 million Dollar Deal…Good Move New york…You got the Knees no Team wanted to trade for…

I made a post about Melo to the Sixers like 3 weeks ago.
 

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

What the hell are you talking about…I think you just confirmed what I been saying…New York has garbage to offer teams in a trade…and their roster isn’t good at all…Amare is the only player people respect and he could get injured at any point of the season…why didn’t The Suns offer him a Max Deal??? because they had first hand information that said he’s on the way to a bad injury and it wasn’t worth it to give a walking Injury a 6 year/100 million Dollar Deal…Good Move New york…You got the Knees no Team wanted to trade for…

I made a post about Melo to the Sixers like 3 weeks ago.
 

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 The Heat, Celtics, Magic, Bulls, Hawks, Bucks, Bobcats are clearly better then the Knicks.  The Sixers, Nets, Wizards, and the Pacers are all arguably better.  But thats why we play the season nobody knows till the end of the show. 

The Knicks play no defense that is going to kill them this year.  They will be exciting and fun to watch, score a lot of points, but won’t win any close games before they can’t clamp down when need be.  Nobody they acquired in the offseason is a great defender with the exception of Ronny "Number One Towel Waver" Turiaf.  

They can’t beat the Bobcats cuz LB will slow the ball down and make each possession more valuable and with the way the Knicks take bad shots that will kill them in a slowed down game pace.

The Knick actually match up well with Hawks tho. 

The Bucks are another team that play a slowed down pace a long with Brandon "I Can’t Believe You Drafted Jordan Hill Over Me" Jennings coming to reap his revenge on NYC.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 The Heat, Celtics, Magic, Bulls, Hawks, Bucks, Bobcats are clearly better then the Knicks.  The Sixers, Nets, Wizards, and the Pacers are all arguably better.  But thats why we play the season nobody knows till the end of the show. 

The Knicks play no defense that is going to kill them this year.  They will be exciting and fun to watch, score a lot of points, but won’t win any close games before they can’t clamp down when need be.  Nobody they acquired in the offseason is a great defender with the exception of Ronny "Number One Towel Waver" Turiaf.  

They can’t beat the Bobcats cuz LB will slow the ball down and make each possession more valuable and with the way the Knicks take bad shots that will kill them in a slowed down game pace.

The Knick actually match up well with Hawks tho. 

The Bucks are another team that play a slowed down pace a long with Brandon "I Can’t Believe You Drafted Jordan Hill Over Me" Jennings coming to reap his revenge on NYC.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

No seriously tho on paper the Knicks arent very good at all.  They got Amare and nothing else besides Gallo and possibly Felton who so far looks clueless in D’Antonis offense.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

No seriously tho on paper the Knicks arent very good at all.  They got Amare and nothing else besides Gallo and possibly Felton who so far looks clueless in D’Antonis offense.

[knicksfreakParticipant]

Gallinari is much better than Thad.

Chandler is a good comparison to Thad but Chandler is better too.

The sixers have been more effective without Brand anyways.

Amare is head and shoulders above anyone on the sixers team.

If you think that Holiday and Lou are clearly better than Felton, Douglas than you’re insane.

Holiday isnt any more proven than Douglas and Williams is nothing but a poor man’s Nate with less athleticism.

The Knicks and Knicks fans will get the last laugh when we look at their records after this season.

[knicksfreakParticipant]

Gallinari is much better than Thad.

Chandler is a good comparison to Thad but Chandler is better too.

The sixers have been more effective without Brand anyways.

Amare is head and shoulders above anyone on the sixers team.

If you think that Holiday and Lou are clearly better than Felton, Douglas than you’re insane.

Holiday isnt any more proven than Douglas and Williams is nothing but a poor man’s Nate with less athleticism.

The Knicks and Knicks fans will get the last laugh when we look at their records after this season.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 What dude Chandler is better then Thad Young really?  By what comparison?  Thad is younger, more athletic, bigger, has more potential, and heres the kicker, has better numbers…So what do you mean?  And Gallo don’t play enough defense to be considered better then Thad plus Thad is a more efficient scorer.

Jrue Holiday has already proven himself to be one of the best on ball defenders in the league.  And Ray Felton is averaging 8 points a game in the preseason shooting 33%.   Spoiler Alert:  Jrue Holiday had a triple double the other night and has way better numbers thus far.

Felton 8 ppg, 2.8 rebounds, 5.8 assists, 1.2 steals

Holiday 11 ppg, 7 rebounds, 5.2 assists, 1.8 steals.

And Lou Williams was averaging 17 points a game shooting 50% in 20 plus games last year before he broke his jaw and the Sixers signed back A.I.

He still ended the season averaging 14 points shooting 47%.  And is waaaaaaaaay better then Toney Dougles.  And here’s the kicker…They’re the same age.

Williams is averaging 12 points in the preseason shooting over 50%

Toney Dougless is averaging 6 ppg shooting 36%

 

Let’s stop speaking from your heart because you’re just embarrassing yourself and other respectable Knick fans by saying stupid things.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 What dude Chandler is better then Thad Young really?  By what comparison?  Thad is younger, more athletic, bigger, has more potential, and heres the kicker, has better numbers…So what do you mean?  And Gallo don’t play enough defense to be considered better then Thad plus Thad is a more efficient scorer.

Jrue Holiday has already proven himself to be one of the best on ball defenders in the league.  And Ray Felton is averaging 8 points a game in the preseason shooting 33%.   Spoiler Alert:  Jrue Holiday had a triple double the other night and has way better numbers thus far.

Felton 8 ppg, 2.8 rebounds, 5.8 assists, 1.2 steals

Holiday 11 ppg, 7 rebounds, 5.2 assists, 1.8 steals.

And Lou Williams was averaging 17 points a game shooting 50% in 20 plus games last year before he broke his jaw and the Sixers signed back A.I.

He still ended the season averaging 14 points shooting 47%.  And is waaaaaaaaay better then Toney Dougles.  And here’s the kicker…They’re the same age.

Williams is averaging 12 points in the preseason shooting over 50%

Toney Dougless is averaging 6 ppg shooting 36%

 

Let’s stop speaking from your heart because you’re just embarrassing yourself and other respectable Knick fans by saying stupid things.

[stanford hoops]

What are u smoking to say the knicks are on the same level as the bucks?  That’s laughable

I actually think the sixers have a better tram then the knicks because they rebound and play defense. Two things the knicks have shown in the preseason that they are bad at

The knicks will have trouble making that 8th seed. I thought they had a better chance before seeing how bad they are at rebounding and defense and that has nothing to do with chemistry 

Miami,hawks,bos,bucks,   Bulls, magic are locks. Bobcats were there last season and have two allstar talents so they have a much better chance then the other teams so that leaves sixers,knicks,wiz. If Gilbert is healthy they are better than the knicks. They rebound and play better defense. I think the knicks with Larry brown or Scott skiles are the 8th seed. But with the offensive minded d’antoni  on top of what ive seen I have big doubts 

It’s only preseason but that excuse doesn’t apply if you’re defense is bad/bad rebounding. Thoses are the things you do on a old team,new team with new teammates or in the preseason because it’s alot harder to rebound and play defense in the regular season. Only exceptions are teams that are proven or that are old(Boston)  or key players hurt (miami)who only use the regular season to keep in shape

I have to laugh at the person who said the pistons are better than the knicks because of tmac and Greg Monroe. That was funny

I hope some fans aren’t putting all there eggs in the mello basket because we have seen how rumors can change in the nba(lebron to the knicks)

Teams aren’t just gonna sit back and not go for mello. I’m baffled at why the knicks aren’t doing everything possible to get mello( everyone not named  Amare should be avalible) because if the knicks get mello I’m willing to bet they will get another star(cp3,dwill,) within the next year

[stanford hoops]

What are u smoking to say the knicks are on the same level as the bucks?  That’s laughable

I actually think the sixers have a better tram then the knicks because they rebound and play defense. Two things the knicks have shown in the preseason that they are bad at

The knicks will have trouble making that 8th seed. I thought they had a better chance before seeing how bad they are at rebounding and defense and that has nothing to do with chemistry 

Miami,hawks,bos,bucks,   Bulls, magic are locks. Bobcats were there last season and have two allstar talents so they have a much better chance then the other teams so that leaves sixers,knicks,wiz. If Gilbert is healthy they are better than the knicks. They rebound and play better defense. I think the knicks with Larry brown or Scott skiles are the 8th seed. But with the offensive minded d’antoni  on top of what ive seen I have big doubts 

It’s only preseason but that excuse doesn’t apply if you’re defense is bad/bad rebounding. Thoses are the things you do on a old team,new team with new teammates or in the preseason because it’s alot harder to rebound and play defense in the regular season. Only exceptions are teams that are proven or that are old(Boston)  or key players hurt (miami)who only use the regular season to keep in shape

I have to laugh at the person who said the pistons are better than the knicks because of tmac and Greg Monroe. That was funny

I hope some fans aren’t putting all there eggs in the mello basket because we have seen how rumors can change in the nba(lebron to the knicks)

Teams aren’t just gonna sit back and not go for mello. I’m baffled at why the knicks aren’t doing everything possible to get mello( everyone not named  Amare should be avalible) because if the knicks get mello I’m willing to bet they will get another star(cp3,dwill,) within the next year

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 I thought the Knicks would be better too going into the preseason but besides they’re lack of rebounding and defense what is most striking is the fact that they’re new PG Ray Felton seems lost in the sauce.  So far he don’t look comfortable at all running D’Antoni’s offense.  Hopefully that changes cuz i kinda wanted to see Felton do good but so far he looks extremely average.  

 

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 I thought the Knicks would be better too going into the preseason but besides they’re lack of rebounding and defense what is most striking is the fact that they’re new PG Ray Felton seems lost in the sauce.  So far he don’t look comfortable at all running D’Antoni’s offense.  Hopefully that changes cuz i kinda wanted to see Felton do good but so far he looks extremely average.  

 

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

RIGHT NOW, Jrue Holiday is not better then Raymond Felton.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

RIGHT NOW, Jrue Holiday is not better then Raymond Felton.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 I thought the same thing going into the preseason

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 I thought the same thing going into the preseason

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

Amare STATamire…The Knicks would trade Felton and Chandler for Holiday RIGHT NOW…That’s how I know your a homer…Holiday’s best is ahead of him and this may be Felton’s last shot to prove he’s a starter…

Thad  is better than Gallo

Speights is better than Randolph

Iguadola is Better Than Amare ( Ask The Suns ) He’s a way better defender/passer/slasher/team mate…All Amare can do Is put the ball in the hoop…He’s such a Stat whore it’s his nickname…

Holiday is again better than Felton

Williams is better Douglas…

Turner is better than Chandler

Meeks is better Walker…

Hawes and Battie are better than Mosgov and Turiaf

Brand is better than Curry( Both Big have contracts but Brand is at least a Warrior who’ll play out his deal un like Curry…Curry is actually the best Thing you guys have because he expires….We’ll have to wait Brand’s deal out…)

 

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

Amare STATamire…The Knicks would trade Felton and Chandler for Holiday RIGHT NOW…That’s how I know your a homer…Holiday’s best is ahead of him and this may be Felton’s last shot to prove he’s a starter…

Thad  is better than Gallo

Speights is better than Randolph

Iguadola is Better Than Amare ( Ask The Suns ) He’s a way better defender/passer/slasher/team mate…All Amare can do Is put the ball in the hoop…He’s such a Stat whore it’s his nickname…

Holiday is again better than Felton

Williams is better Douglas…

Turner is better than Chandler

Meeks is better Walker…

Hawes and Battie are better than Mosgov and Turiaf

Brand is better than Curry( Both Big have contracts but Brand is at least a Warrior who’ll play out his deal un like Curry…Curry is actually the best Thing you guys have because he expires….We’ll have to wait Brand’s deal out…)

 

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

Amare STATamire…The Knicks would trade Felton and Chandler for Holiday RIGHT NOW…That’s how I know your a homer…Holiday’s best is ahead of him and this may be Felton’s last shot to prove he’s a starter…

Thad  is better than Gallo

Speights is better than Randolph

Iguadola is Better Than Amare ( Ask The Suns ) He’s a way better defender/passer/slasher/team mate…All Amare can do Is put the ball in the hoop…He’s such a Stat whore it’s his nickname…

Holiday is again better than Felton

Williams is better Douglas…

Turner is better than Chandler

Meeks is better Walker…

Hawes and Battie are better than Mosgov and Turiaf

Brand is better than Curry( Both Big have contracts but Brand is at least a Warrior who’ll play out his deal un like Curry…Curry is actually the best Thing you guys have because he expires….We’ll have to wait Brand’s deal out…)

 

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

Amare STATamire…The Knicks would trade Felton and Chandler for Holiday RIGHT NOW…That’s how I know your a homer…Holiday’s best is ahead of him and this may be Felton’s last shot to prove he’s a starter…

Thad  is better than Gallo

Speights is better than Randolph

Iguadola is Better Than Amare ( Ask The Suns ) He’s a way better defender/passer/slasher/team mate…All Amare can do Is put the ball in the hoop…He’s such a Stat whore it’s his nickname…

Holiday is again better than Felton

Williams is better Douglas…

Turner is better than Chandler

Meeks is better Walker…

Hawes and Battie are better than Mosgov and Turiaf

Brand is better than Curry( Both Big have contracts but Brand is at least a Warrior who’ll play out his deal un like Curry…Curry is actually the best Thing you guys have because he expires….We’ll have to wait Brand’s deal out…)

 

[HaleParticipant]

Iguodala is not better than Amare, and it’s not close. I agree Speights is better then Randolph, but don’t go overboard with it. I think the 76ers are they better team by far, but Amare is easily the best player on the two teams.

[HaleParticipant]

Iguodala is not better than Amare, and it’s not close. I agree Speights is better then Randolph, but don’t go overboard with it. I think the 76ers are they better team by far, but Amare is easily the best player on the two teams.

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

Think a every thing Iggy does…he stuffs the Stat sheet…he’s one of the few 20/5/5 guys out there…he can also be called one of the best defenders in the NBA…He’s an overall better player than Amare who alone helps his team by scoring…if you take away his scoring, what else does he do for a winning Team???

Most coaches and GM’s would want Iguadola…The Suns were claming to make a deal last year for Iggy and Amare…The Sixers Said NO!!! Get your facts straight…The guy who said Gallo is way better than Thad is high as Shyt…Thad has already proven he can get 15 ppg as a 4th or 5th option starter/6th man…He’s wayyyyy better than Gallo…who just began to prove he’s not the Italian Mr. Glass

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

Think a every thing Iggy does…he stuffs the Stat sheet…he’s one of the few 20/5/5 guys out there…he can also be called one of the best defenders in the NBA…He’s an overall better player than Amare who alone helps his team by scoring…if you take away his scoring, what else does he do for a winning Team???

Most coaches and GM’s would want Iguadola…The Suns were claming to make a deal last year for Iggy and Amare…The Sixers Said NO!!! Get your facts straight…The guy who said Gallo is way better than Thad is high as Shyt…Thad has already proven he can get 15 ppg as a 4th or 5th option starter/6th man…He’s wayyyyy better than Gallo…who just began to prove he’s not the Italian Mr. Glass

[stanford hoops]

You have lost alot of cred and have proved that you are a homer. Turner better than Chandler?  Holiday better than Felton? Meeks better than walker 

I’m in the market of someone proving they are better then someone before saying they are better. Other than you’re homer opinion what regular season proof do u have of this?  You obviously don’t know how to seperate you’re love for  a team as far as judging players

[stanford hoops]

You have lost alot of cred and have proved that you are a homer. Turner better than Chandler?  Holiday better than Felton? Meeks better than walker 

I’m in the market of someone proving they are better then someone before saying they are better. Other than you’re homer opinion what regular season proof do u have of this?  You obviously don’t know how to seperate you’re love for  a team as far as judging players

[HaleParticipant]

The scoring difference between Amare and Iggy could be as high as 10 ppg, so that scoring accounts for a lot. He still gets 8-9 boards a night, and showed in the playoffs he can play defense when he has too. Iggy is a good passer, solid scorer, very good defender. I would rather have a 25 9 than a 20 5 5 because 20 5 5 are easier to get. Get my facts straight? Ask anyone here, ask any gm or coach who is better Amare or Iggy and they will all say Amare. C’mon man, stop with that nonsense. It’s honestly not close at all.

[HaleParticipant]

The scoring difference between Amare and Iggy could be as high as 10 ppg, so that scoring accounts for a lot. He still gets 8-9 boards a night, and showed in the playoffs he can play defense when he has too. Iggy is a good passer, solid scorer, very good defender. I would rather have a 25 9 than a 20 5 5 because 20 5 5 are easier to get. Get my facts straight? Ask anyone here, ask any gm or coach who is better Amare or Iggy and they will all say Amare. C’mon man, stop with that nonsense. It’s honestly not close at all.

[stanford hoops]

I rather have Amare but is 20-5-5 easier to get then 25-9?

[stanford hoops]

I rather have Amare but is 20-5-5 easier to get then 25-9?

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

Holiday is bigger,faster,stronger than Felton…He’s far younger and has far more offensive versatility…

Yes he’s going into his 2nd full season but already he has shown that he’s top tier prospect and will out play Felton every game this season…We can bet on that…

Amare is a Scorer…Iguadola is a coaches Dream…The Lakers would love to put Iguadola next to Kobe…The Top 4 Teams in the East and West(minus Miami) would love to trade for Iguadola

The Celtics… yes they’d love love Iggy,Allen is aging and they could use another gold medalist…

The Magic…Huh Carter or Iggy ??? They’d pick Iggy…Carter is aging and has proved he’s un clutch in the post season

The Bucks…Maggette/Redd or Iguadola…Skiles would die if they got Iggy…

The Hawks…Huh Marvin Williams and Mo Evan or Andre " I play 4 quarters" Iguadola…they’d want Iggy too…

Lakers…Iggy in the triangle with Kobe/Gasol and Odom…that’s another three peat waiting to happen…

Thunder…you’ve already seen Wesbrook/Iggy/KD is gold…why wouldn’t they want him in OKC…

Jazz..Sloane would have the best athlete he’s ever had next to fellow Illinos guy Deron "Get me a Star or I’m out"  Williams…That would be match made in heaven…

Spurs…The Spurs would to put Iggy in RJ’s spot and become another Solid Championship Contender for the rest of Duncan’s Career…

 

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

Holiday is bigger,faster,stronger than Felton…He’s far younger and has far more offensive versatility…

Yes he’s going into his 2nd full season but already he has shown that he’s top tier prospect and will out play Felton every game this season…We can bet on that…

Amare is a Scorer…Iguadola is a coaches Dream…The Lakers would love to put Iguadola next to Kobe…The Top 4 Teams in the East and West(minus Miami) would love to trade for Iguadola

The Celtics… yes they’d love love Iggy,Allen is aging and they could use another gold medalist…

The Magic…Huh Carter or Iggy ??? They’d pick Iggy…Carter is aging and has proved he’s un clutch in the post season

The Bucks…Maggette/Redd or Iguadola…Skiles would die if they got Iggy…

The Hawks…Huh Marvin Williams and Mo Evan or Andre " I play 4 quarters" Iguadola…they’d want Iggy too…

Lakers…Iggy in the triangle with Kobe/Gasol and Odom…that’s another three peat waiting to happen…

Thunder…you’ve already seen Wesbrook/Iggy/KD is gold…why wouldn’t they want him in OKC…

Jazz..Sloane would have the best athlete he’s ever had next to fellow Illinos guy Deron "Get me a Star or I’m out"  Williams…That would be match made in heaven…

Spurs…The Spurs would to put Iggy in RJ’s spot and become another Solid Championship Contender for the rest of Duncan’s Career…

 

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 I would rather have Holiday then Felton

Turner over Chandler

And Young over Gallo

The only one I would think is close is Young and Gallo but Gallo don’t play enough defense and Young has winning intangibles.  

 

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 I would rather have Holiday then Felton

Turner over Chandler

And Young over Gallo

The only one I would think is close is Young and Gallo but Gallo don’t play enough defense and Young has winning intangibles.  

 

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

and guess what …Most that could sign him past…Like The Thunder who had plenty of money to sign Amare and choose to keep their cash and start Jeff Greene and trade for Aldrich…That’s the Facts… NY over paid for a pure scorer…He did come up big in the playoffs but that confirms he can coast through the regular season …he can’t do that and expect the Knicks to get into the playoffs…They need him to be an absolute monster for 82 games to have a shot at proving that again…Remember guys he had Nash breaking down defenses and passing in perfect stride for Amare all those playoff games…

I put money any GM that say’s Amare over Iguadola is doing it from a Money Stand point…although I doubt either his as regonizable as they’d like to think…

 

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

and guess what …Most that could sign him past…Like The Thunder who had plenty of money to sign Amare and choose to keep their cash and start Jeff Greene and trade for Aldrich…That’s the Facts… NY over paid for a pure scorer…He did come up big in the playoffs but that confirms he can coast through the regular season …he can’t do that and expect the Knicks to get into the playoffs…They need him to be an absolute monster for 82 games to have a shot at proving that again…Remember guys he had Nash breaking down defenses and passing in perfect stride for Amare all those playoff games…

I put money any GM that say’s Amare over Iguadola is doing it from a Money Stand point…although I doubt either his as regonizable as they’d like to think…

 

[HaleParticipant]

@scarecrow

Amare is better than Iggy period. Like I can’t see a debate in that even.

@stanford

Yes, 25 and 9 is harder, because no one in the NBA did it last year. LeBron, Evans, Kobe got 20 5 5 off the top of my head.

[HaleParticipant]

@scarecrow

Amare is better than Iggy period. Like I can’t see a debate in that even.

@stanford

Yes, 25 and 9 is harder, because no one in the NBA did it last year. LeBron, Evans, Kobe got 20 5 5 off the top of my head.

[McWinningParticipant]

Yeah Bosh was closest in the league to getting that, 24.something if i remember correctly.

[McWinningParticipant]

Yeah Bosh was closest in the league to getting that, 24.something if i remember correctly.

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

Would you be up for this Trade Idea…Trading Iggy for a shot at Carmelo…Screw The Knicks…Thorn can get it done…

Andre Iguadola  for Andre Kirilenko/Kosta Koufas/And 2011 1st rounder…The thinking behind the deal for both Teams being this…

Jazz Thinking…Of course dump AK’s contract and save money by getting another stud Illinios Area Sg/Sf…They save money this year and basicly get the perfect Sloane guy and # 3 for Deron Williams and Al Jefferson…They also stay in the mix for a top 4 playoff spot and actually match up better with Iggy on Kobe in the Playoffs…They win as far as talent goes this year and next…They’ll still need a Good scorer at the Sg/Sf spot…Hayward better pan out or they are going to be sick they didn’t draft Xavier Henry…They only lose AK’s huge expiring contract and 1st Rounder…With Okur and Fes with Al playing some C too, they don’t at all need a young Big Man like Koufas…But who would the Jazz sign that would be better Than Iggy and they’ll be too good for a top pick with AK this year…

Sixers…They do lose a elite level athlete and all around player but they rent AK for the year and cash in that huge expiring Contract and sell Philadalphia to the Biggest Free Agent this summer…Carmelo would have to look at Philly after The Knicks struggle and their overall lack of talent shines through…Philly would be forfeiting a good possibility as the trade would open up For The Young Guys…AK is a very good player and could be a great role player going forward, but It’s clear you go after Melo with the over 20 million in cash he and Kapono would represent…The team would be in place for a high lottery pick and the Jazz’s mid to late 1st rounder…

Holiday/Turner/Thad/Brand/Hawes/AK/Speights/Lou/Nocioni/Meeks/Battie/Kapono…we lose Ak and Kapono next year and Add a top 5 Pick…Sullinger would be great if we get the 5th pick…either he or Kanter will be the 5th guy off the board…We could also get another wing man like Tyler Honeycutt with the Jazz’s pick…Then we go hard after Melo and Greg Oden…the Blazers will be capped out and with his history I feel they’ll let him walk…We could take the risk and watch it pay off big time…

Next year’s Roster…

Holiday / Lou Williams

Turner/ Ty Honeycutt/ Meeks

Carmelo/ Thad/ Nocioni (Best SF line up in the NBA)

Sullinger/ Speights and Brand (3 headed Monster)

Oden / Hawes/Koufas (Offense and Defense)

Is that not a nasty ass Line Up…and they can do it by trading Iggy for AK…getting a top 5 pick and drafting Jared Sullinger( very likely with a young line up of Holiday/Turner/Thad/AK and Brand…Lou/M16 and Hawes off the bench and Nocioni/Koufas and Meeks playing spot minutes…Sullinger would become the future PF…Oden would become the Center we alway wanted Sammy to be barring another major injury…Then signing Carmelo to lead the Team in Scoring and becoming the face of a very young and talented Franchise…This make the Sixers a top 3 Team in the East and If Holiday and Turner continue to grow at the rate they are know watch out…That Team is a Championship contender…

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

Would you be up for this Trade Idea…Trading Iggy for a shot at Carmelo…Screw The Knicks…Thorn can get it done…

Andre Iguadola  for Andre Kirilenko/Kosta Koufas/And 2011 1st rounder…The thinking behind the deal for both Teams being this…

Jazz Thinking…Of course dump AK’s contract and save money by getting another stud Illinios Area Sg/Sf…They save money this year and basicly get the perfect Sloane guy and # 3 for Deron Williams and Al Jefferson…They also stay in the mix for a top 4 playoff spot and actually match up better with Iggy on Kobe in the Playoffs…They win as far as talent goes this year and next…They’ll still need a Good scorer at the Sg/Sf spot…Hayward better pan out or they are going to be sick they didn’t draft Xavier Henry…They only lose AK’s huge expiring contract and 1st Rounder…With Okur and Fes with Al playing some C too, they don’t at all need a young Big Man like Koufas…But who would the Jazz sign that would be better Than Iggy and they’ll be too good for a top pick with AK this year…

Sixers…They do lose a elite level athlete and all around player but they rent AK for the year and cash in that huge expiring Contract and sell Philadalphia to the Biggest Free Agent this summer…Carmelo would have to look at Philly after The Knicks struggle and their overall lack of talent shines through…Philly would be forfeiting a good possibility as the trade would open up For The Young Guys…AK is a very good player and could be a great role player going forward, but It’s clear you go after Melo with the over 20 million in cash he and Kapono would represent…The team would be in place for a high lottery pick and the Jazz’s mid to late 1st rounder…

Holiday/Turner/Thad/Brand/Hawes/AK/Speights/Lou/Nocioni/Meeks/Battie/Kapono…we lose Ak and Kapono next year and Add a top 5 Pick…Sullinger would be great if we get the 5th pick…either he or Kanter will be the 5th guy off the board…We could also get another wing man like Tyler Honeycutt with the Jazz’s pick…Then we go hard after Melo and Greg Oden…the Blazers will be capped out and with his history I feel they’ll let him walk…We could take the risk and watch it pay off big time…

Next year’s Roster…

Holiday / Lou Williams

Turner/ Ty Honeycutt/ Meeks

Carmelo/ Thad/ Nocioni (Best SF line up in the NBA)

Sullinger/ Speights and Brand (3 headed Monster)

Oden / Hawes/Koufas (Offense and Defense)

Is that not a nasty ass Line Up…and they can do it by trading Iggy for AK…getting a top 5 pick and drafting Jared Sullinger( very likely with a young line up of Holiday/Turner/Thad/AK and Brand…Lou/M16 and Hawes off the bench and Nocioni/Koufas and Meeks playing spot minutes…Sullinger would become the future PF…Oden would become the Center we alway wanted Sammy to be barring another major injury…Then signing Carmelo to lead the Team in Scoring and becoming the face of a very young and talented Franchise…This make the Sixers a top 3 Team in the East and If Holiday and Turner continue to grow at the rate they are know watch out…That Team is a Championship contender…

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Iggy plays 82 games and great defense…plus he is a great teammate who always knows when to score or facilitate those type of intangibles are invaluable to a championship team….However the Sixers are not a championship caliber teams so I’m all for trading Iggy to OKC for Harden and Ibaka

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Iggy plays 82 games and great defense…plus he is a great teammate who always knows when to score or facilitate those type of intangibles are invaluable to a championship team….However the Sixers are not a championship caliber teams so I’m all for trading Iggy to OKC for Harden and Ibaka

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

It’s an interesting way to Trade Iguadola…AK and Koufas plus 2011 1st rounder isn’t Harden and Ibaka…But Ibaka isn’t a 7’0 starting Center… and Harden and Turner may cancel each other out…The trade is basicly trade Iggy for Ak’s expiring deal…Start the young trio of Holiday,Turner and Thad and lose another season for growth…get A top 5 pick and draft Jared Sullinger…Use the Jazz pick for UCLA all around player Tyler Honeycutt…Sign Carmelo for the Max, get Oden for 5 to 10 million…Next Years Line Up..

Holiday in year 3…The Break Out…I see him having a Chancey Billups role on this Team…Williams will be the instant scorer off the bench and give the Sixers a good 1/2 punch at Pg…

Turner in year 2…ET phones home…I see ET becoming a solid Sg and playing in the Rip Hamilton role,he’ll become a great mid range player and could be Brandon Roy lite…Tyler Honetcutt would be a very good defender and role player with the Jazz’s Pick…UCLA guys don’t let you down…

Carmelo…can just be the Elite Scorer that he is…He’ll be the biggest star on a deep and talented team that has tons of youth to boot…Thad Young would become either the best 6th man in the League back up Turner/Melo and the Pf ‘s…He’d be an X factor every game…He’d be perfect playing in a Tayshaun Prince role off the bench…

Brand / Sullinger and Speights will share time and give the Sixers the Deepest frontcront in The NBA…Sullinger and Speights are in the plans for Sixers…count on that in the Draft…They’d be a great combo at PF…Brand will be the tough vet grooming the Sully/Speights duo…

Oden and Hawes would be the ying and yang at Center…Hawes can score and Oden can lock down the paint…Having another big in Koufas who would make the 4 th Ohio State player on the Team ain’t bad either…

 

Tell me what you think…

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

It’s an interesting way to Trade Iguadola…AK and Koufas plus 2011 1st rounder isn’t Harden and Ibaka…But Ibaka isn’t a 7’0 starting Center… and Harden and Turner may cancel each other out…The trade is basicly trade Iggy for Ak’s expiring deal…Start the young trio of Holiday,Turner and Thad and lose another season for growth…get A top 5 pick and draft Jared Sullinger…Use the Jazz pick for UCLA all around player Tyler Honeycutt…Sign Carmelo for the Max, get Oden for 5 to 10 million…Next Years Line Up..

Holiday in year 3…The Break Out…I see him having a Chancey Billups role on this Team…Williams will be the instant scorer off the bench and give the Sixers a good 1/2 punch at Pg…

Turner in year 2…ET phones home…I see ET becoming a solid Sg and playing in the Rip Hamilton role,he’ll become a great mid range player and could be Brandon Roy lite…Tyler Honetcutt would be a very good defender and role player with the Jazz’s Pick…UCLA guys don’t let you down…

Carmelo…can just be the Elite Scorer that he is…He’ll be the biggest star on a deep and talented team that has tons of youth to boot…Thad Young would become either the best 6th man in the League back up Turner/Melo and the Pf ‘s…He’d be an X factor every game…He’d be perfect playing in a Tayshaun Prince role off the bench…

Brand / Sullinger and Speights will share time and give the Sixers the Deepest frontcront in The NBA…Sullinger and Speights are in the plans for Sixers…count on that in the Draft…They’d be a great combo at PF…Brand will be the tough vet grooming the Sully/Speights duo…

Oden and Hawes would be the ying and yang at Center…Hawes can score and Oden can lock down the paint…Having another big in Koufas who would make the 4 th Ohio State player on the Team ain’t bad either…

 

Tell me what you think…

[Mr. 19134Participant]

Yeah my bad I never notice the subject line you’re like the only person who writes stuff in it…

But I do like that scenario the only scary part is that its up to Rod Thorn to piece all that together after the trade and so much could go wrong.

Oden is exactly what we need….Melo would fit perfectly in Philly…Look at the Eagles game today and Ryan Howard being there then later in the night on Fox we had the Phils beating up on the Giants….Philly is the spot to be for an athlete right now…Melo should seriously consider this instead of playing in a city that has so many sports teams nobody cares when they do good…In New York playing well is expected and not praised…In Philly we don’t take any success for granted…

I love Sullinger I think he can be a 20 year old Elton Brand.  But I also like Kanter and Jones a lot…Either way another top 5 pick would be just what the Dr. ordered as long as we dont screw it up like we did by drafting Turner over Cousins….

I would want CJ Miles in any trade involving Utah too and I don’t think Kosta is better then Spencer.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

Yeah my bad I never notice the subject line you’re like the only person who writes stuff in it…

But I do like that scenario the only scary part is that its up to Rod Thorn to piece all that together after the trade and so much could go wrong.

Oden is exactly what we need….Melo would fit perfectly in Philly…Look at the Eagles game today and Ryan Howard being there then later in the night on Fox we had the Phils beating up on the Giants….Philly is the spot to be for an athlete right now…Melo should seriously consider this instead of playing in a city that has so many sports teams nobody cares when they do good…In New York playing well is expected and not praised…In Philly we don’t take any success for granted…

I love Sullinger I think he can be a 20 year old Elton Brand.  But I also like Kanter and Jones a lot…Either way another top 5 pick would be just what the Dr. ordered as long as we dont screw it up like we did by drafting Turner over Cousins….

I would want CJ Miles in any trade involving Utah too and I don’t think Kosta is better then Spencer.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 That is some ambitious thinking and people thinking its too far fetched forget what Washingtons roster looked like before the start of last year..

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 That is some ambitious thinking and people thinking its too far fetched forget what Washingtons roster looked like before the start of last year..

[McWinningParticipant]

Oden would be a beast for Philly.

[McWinningParticipant]

Oden would be a beast for Philly.

[stanford hoops]

You’re saying what jru will do. He hasn’t done it yet therefore there’s no proof that he’s better than Felton. Like I said untill proven (proven being the key word) then the players you named ate not better

[stanford hoops]

You’re saying what jru will do. He hasn’t done it yet therefore there’s no proof that he’s better than Felton. Like I said untill proven (proven being the key word) then the players you named ate not better

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 So Stanford Hoops who would you rather have Jrue Holiday or Ray Felton?

And let’s talk about proving themselves this season.  Holiday is putting up 11 points 7 rebounds, 5 assists, and 2 steals in the preseason… Felton is avering 8 points 3 rebounds, 6 assists, and 1 steal.  And Holiday is shooting a higher % plus plays hands down better on ball defense…

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 So Stanford Hoops who would you rather have Jrue Holiday or Ray Felton?

And let’s talk about proving themselves this season.  Holiday is putting up 11 points 7 rebounds, 5 assists, and 2 steals in the preseason… Felton is avering 8 points 3 rebounds, 6 assists, and 1 steal.  And Holiday is shooting a higher % plus plays hands down better on ball defense…

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

What has Gallo done that makes hime better than Thad…What has Chandler done to be better than Turner…what has Felton done up until this point that makes him better than Jrue…Randolph has done nothing to prove to people he’s better than Speights….stanford hoops you should be able to see that those guys are better then the Knicks right now…

now Oden would be Real Center…Sullinger would be the young PF that we need to take over for Brand…He and Speights would be a nice Duo for the future,,,..Carmelo would make this team official…hell even with Oden and Sullinger e’d be tough ass hell…I don’t know how any sports star would pick the Knicks over Sixers…A hundred million dollars here is just as good as getting it in New York…and it can happen…how many people saw the Heat getting LBJ and Bosh…

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

What has Gallo done that makes hime better than Thad…What has Chandler done to be better than Turner…what has Felton done up until this point that makes him better than Jrue…Randolph has done nothing to prove to people he’s better than Speights….stanford hoops you should be able to see that those guys are better then the Knicks right now…

now Oden would be Real Center…Sullinger would be the young PF that we need to take over for Brand…He and Speights would be a nice Duo for the future,,,..Carmelo would make this team official…hell even with Oden and Sullinger e’d be tough ass hell…I don’t know how any sports star would pick the Knicks over Sixers…A hundred million dollars here is just as good as getting it in New York…and it can happen…how many people saw the Heat getting LBJ and Bosh…

[NarcParticipant]

I’m glad you asked those two questions because I’m here to answer them. First off you ask What has Gallo done to make him better than Thad, as if Young has been a 3 time all star or something to that degree. Young is a good player, he doesn’t impress me but I wouldn’t just say he is better than Gallo. Gallo has a very high basketball IQ and is a decebt bal handler for a person that is 6’10. My only gripe with Gallo is, he shoots way too many 3’s. If he would put the ball on the floor it would open his game up so much because he has shown he can shoot off the dribble. My only gripe with Young is, he doesn’t have range. Young and Chandler remind me a lot of each other, except the fact that Chandler is the better mid range shooter of the two.

 

I can even tell you what Chandler has done to be better than Turner, play in an NBA game. Turner has looked good in a couple of games, but still remains inconsistent and confidence is a main issue. At times he looks hesistent on offense. In fact, I didn’t like the Turner draft pick as he and Iggy are essentially the same damn player. Both are very versitile, but aren’t the type of player that puts a team over the hump as a #1 option.

 

And you can not be serious in saying how any team can pick the Knicks over the Sixers. You’re joking right? First off the roster is better. The Knicks front court is better than the 76ers by leaps and bounds. I would rather have STAT, Gallo and Mozgov over Speights, Brand, and Young. And the Knicks have a way better bench than the 76ers.

And I’m even mad you tried to slip in that Jodie Meeks is better than Bill Walker. Absolutely not. Walker is 10x the athlete and has even shown in a short time that he is just as good a long range shooter. Meeks shot 38% in his 1st season with the 76ers, Walker shot 42% in his season with the Knicks, and Walker played more games than Meeks.

[NarcParticipant]

I’m glad you asked those two questions because I’m here to answer them. First off you ask What has Gallo done to make him better than Thad, as if Young has been a 3 time all star or something to that degree. Young is a good player, he doesn’t impress me but I wouldn’t just say he is better than Gallo. Gallo has a very high basketball IQ and is a decebt bal handler for a person that is 6’10. My only gripe with Gallo is, he shoots way too many 3’s. If he would put the ball on the floor it would open his game up so much because he has shown he can shoot off the dribble. My only gripe with Young is, he doesn’t have range. Young and Chandler remind me a lot of each other, except the fact that Chandler is the better mid range shooter of the two.

 

I can even tell you what Chandler has done to be better than Turner, play in an NBA game. Turner has looked good in a couple of games, but still remains inconsistent and confidence is a main issue. At times he looks hesistent on offense. In fact, I didn’t like the Turner draft pick as he and Iggy are essentially the same damn player. Both are very versitile, but aren’t the type of player that puts a team over the hump as a #1 option.

 

And you can not be serious in saying how any team can pick the Knicks over the Sixers. You’re joking right? First off the roster is better. The Knicks front court is better than the 76ers by leaps and bounds. I would rather have STAT, Gallo and Mozgov over Speights, Brand, and Young. And the Knicks have a way better bench than the 76ers.

And I’m even mad you tried to slip in that Jodie Meeks is better than Bill Walker. Absolutely not. Walker is 10x the athlete and has even shown in a short time that he is just as good a long range shooter. Meeks shot 38% in his 1st season with the 76ers, Walker shot 42% in his season with the Knicks, and Walker played more games than Meeks.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Narc, let it go. I feel you man about NY but it’s pointless.

 

He comes on, argues and leaves for 2 weeks.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Narc, let it go. I feel you man about NY but it’s pointless.

 

He comes on, argues and leaves for 2 weeks.

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