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- Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 8:57am #22521

JNixonParticipantIllinois:Demetri McCamey- 6’3 PG with the ability to score and pass…Master pick and roll player…Has excellent strength…Decent shooter with improving range…Can drive to the rim and finish through contact….Needs to improve 3-point shot…Mediocre on D…A bit ball-dominant…Lacks some athleticism and quickness…He should be a 1st rounder next year….Reminds me of Andre MillerJereme Richmond- Super athletic 6’8 perimeter player..Long and wiry at 190…Looks really good on the break…Uses quickness to get in the lane…High defensive potential…Versatile…Possibly will be able to defend all 5 positions next year effectively on switches…Needs to work on his handle…Not a shooter yet…Not great feel for the game…Has big potential, but he’s a 2012 prospectMike Tisdale- A 7’1 face up big…Has a decent jump shot…Narrow build…Lacks strength and has too high a center of gravity to function down low…No post game…Is a decent shot-blocker…Below average rebounder…Not quick or athleticMike Davis- Mismatch 6’9 combo forward with good talent…Long and wiry…Can face-up bigger matchups and post smaller ones…Soft touch…Has a nice shot with 18-20 ft range…Uses jump hooks and turnaround jumpers down low…Looks good passing the ball…Can put it on the floor…Lacks strength…Very narrow frame at 210 lbs…Shies from contact…Not a defensive player….Still, he has late 1st-early 2nd round 2011 potential…D.J. Richardson- 6’4 SG with decent strength and length…Fundamentally sound player who possesses solid shooting skills…Takes smart shots…Can score from mid-range…Plays a mature game…Not very athletic or quick…Plays functional DBrandon Paul- 6’3 guard with an aggressive approach to scoring…Likes to slash the lane and will also try and shoot the ball from deep too…Good quickness and athleticism…Great 1st step…Shot selection isn’t very good…Had a long slump in the conference slate…Was extremely inefficient largely due to that slump…Played an instant offensive type role for Illinois, and might play the same role next yearMeyers Leonard- A 7 foot Euro-style big…Great shooter…Floor spacer…Good athlete…Can run the floor and block shots a little…Not a very good rebounder…Lacks strength (only 220 lbs)…Not a low post guy really…Long term prospectIndiana:Maurice Creek- He’s good…6’4 wing plays a seasoned game for a 19 year old…Looks good shooting the ball coming off of screens…Also a great slasher and finisher…Good mid-range game…Average athlete and ball-handler…OK on D…1st round 2011 or 2012 prospect…Has a developed offensive game on the wing…Think James HardenChristian Watford- A long 6’8 combo forward with a versatile skill set…Good athleticism…Displays a bunch of offensive skills that are raw, but look promising…Could be a good one if he polishes those skills more…Has a decent looking shot…Can be a mismatch for PF offensively…Lacks strength and is limited as a finisher, rebounder, and defender because of it..Long term prospectMichigan:Darius Morris- The guy has long-term potential….Good athlete…Great on D…Can handle the ball well as a 6’4 SG…Not a big scorer or shooter yet, but he has the potential to be an NBA player…SLEEPER prospect down the line…Should emerge next year for the Wolverines with Harris and Sims goneMichigan State:Kalin Lucas- The best PG in the NCAA…Excellent leader…Can play equally in half-court and transition…Nice quickness…Decent slasher…Strong mid-range game…Decent 3-point shot…Not all that great a pure playmaker at 6’0…Can play without the ball…Solid on-ball defender…Somewhat limited prospect due to average physical and subpar athletic ability…Still, late 1st round 2011 guy…Perfect backup PGDurrell Summers- 6’4 wing player with good talent and upside….Nice shot…Can score in transition…Very good athlete…Likes to shoot from mid-range…Can hit shots off the bounce or off screens well…Not a shot-creator or ball-handler…Not very strong…Pretty low basketball IQ…Disappears for not only halves of games, but for stretches of a season…Always in Izzo’s doghouse…Makes quite a few defensive mistakes…2nd round prospect for next yearDraymond Green- How can you not like him? Seriously lol….Looks more like an Eating contest champ than a ball-player…Wide body at 6’6 255…Surprisingly light feet for his size…GREAT passing and rebounding skills…Can face-up and score a little..Also can post…Lacks athleticism…Limited on D because of his lack of height and length for a PF…Has a bad body…Adreian Payne- 6’9 215 Payne is an athletic guy with lots of length….He has the frame to add weight and the potential to be a very good player at Michigan State in the long term…Right now, he’s raw and not strong enough to really be considered a game-changer…Does shows flashes of being able to beat slow bigs off the bounce…Looks like a shot-blocking presence too…He needs to find a skill and hang his hat on it (likely a face-up game though, to make him a triple threat with his athleticism)…Upside is there for him to be a good player…Will get time, but likely not extendedKeith Appling- 6’2 FR combo guard with alot of speed…A slasher who is aggressive and excels in transition…Willing defender…Long-term prospect, but he’s not all that great a prospect…Not a good shooter really or playmaker…Minnesota:Rodney Williams- Athletic freak with a huge wingspan…High defensive potential…Great dunker and transition guy…Bad handles…Not a very good shooter…Shouldn’t be a guy you run offense through…He’s a 2012-2013 guyRalph Sampson III- 6’11 C with a wide body…Can establish, seal, and score down low…Has a drop step and jump hook in his arsenal…Alright rebounder…Good one on one post defender…Not very quick or athletic…A 2012 prospectAl Nolen- 6’ PG with very good quickness and athleticism…One of the best perimeter defenders in the nation IMO…Apply supreme pressure on the ball…Long arms…Is a decent playmaker for others…Not great decision-making ability all the time…Not a good shooter…Should clean up his handles…Not likely to score much…Lacks strength…Missed last year due to bad gradesBlake Hoffarber- Not sure I should’ve included him…6’4 SG is an OUTSTANDING shooter…Can change his form and shoot in different ways, in order to get his shots off…Smart passer…Is a dangerous guy to sag off of in dribble drive penetration…Lacks athleticism…Or the ability to do anything past shoot the ballNorthwestern:John Shurna- Can shoot the ball very well….Combo forward…Floor spacer…Great passing skills for a combo forward…Also can post a little…Makes effort…Not much defensive or rebounding ability or potentialOhio State:Jared Sullinger- 6’8 250 Fr. PF…Knows how to play…Can pass, post up up, and has a dependable 15 footer…Long arms…Can put it on the floor…Tough…Great on the glass…Ambidextrous…Doesn’t seem to have high upside…Not real athletic…Still, he’s extremely good right now…Similar to a pre-injury Elton BrandWill Buford- 6’6 wing shooter with good athleticism…Great in transition…Can come off of screens and score…OK on D…Not a good ball-handler…Can’t create for himself…Not all that aggressive…2011 late 1st round prospectDavid Lighty Jr.- A winner…Can shoot the ball from the wing…Tough on D…Strong body and a decent athlete…Unselfish…Not a talented scorer…Still, I’d take him in the 2nd round…Perfect glue guy for a contenderDallas Lauderdale- Ugly, ugly human being…Consummate role player on a team with good offensive players…Defensive stalwart at this level…Has really long arms at 6’7 and is a great shot-blocker…Terrible offensive player, who scores exclusively off offensive rebounds, and open dump offs and loose balls at the rim…Below average rebounder, which is a little troubling for a guy who responsible for doing the dirty work…Lacks athleticism and quickness…StrongJon Diebler- A 6’6 jump shooting specialist…Phenomenal off screens or spotting up…Rarely misses when open…Not much is good about him besides his shotPenn State:Talor Battle- Quick and talented 6’0 PG…Can score well and pass the ball…Nice off the bounce…Good in the pick and roll for the most part, but can be trapped, wedged and is turnover prone in those situations…Lacks athleticism…Pretty weak…Leader who steps up in the clutch…Might be a little too smallPurdue:JaJuan Johnson- 6’10 PF who can face up and post a little….Nice pick and pop guy…Quick for his size…Active…Good offensive rebounder…Narrow frame will make it super hard for him to put on much weight or be a factor in one on one post situations…Not a likely scorer in the NBA…Questionable transition to the NBA for him IMO…Reminds me of Ed Davis…Still a late 1st-early 2nd round guyE’Twaun Moore- 6’3 SG….Can score the ball…Strong jump shot especially from mid-range…Steady ball-handler…Plays good on-ball D…Fundamentally sound player…Lacks athleticism and quickness…Not a PG…Robbie Hummell- 6’8 SF with some nice skills….Can shoot and handle the ball well…Fluid in his movements…Moves well without the ball…Not very gifted athletically of physically…Limited defensive potential….Similar player to Gordon Hayward…Injury prone, and will miss the 2010-2011 seasonWisconsin:Jon Leuer- A 6’8 floor spacing PF…Good shooter…Below average rebounder…Not good on D…Bad athlete…Weak and skinny…Similar to Matt Bonner0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 9:07am #418513

RUDEBOY_ParticipantLMAO@ Dallas Lauderdale ugly ugly human being…hahahahahahahahahahaahaha
Daaam J-Nix.. Talkin bout dude like dat..
I thought u were a choirboy..lol..
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 9:07am #418520

RUDEBOY_ParticipantLMAO@ Dallas Lauderdale ugly ugly human being…hahahahahahahahahahaahaha
Daaam J-Nix.. Talkin bout dude like dat..
I thought u were a choirboy..lol..
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 9:10am #418517

lalailaParticipantone question:
what means Sullinger doesn’t have upside..it’s because he is good already or do you think he couldn’t a star even if he would reach his ceiling?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 9:10am #418524

lalailaParticipantone question:
what means Sullinger doesn’t have upside..it’s because he is good already or do you think he couldn’t a star even if he would reach his ceiling?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 9:17am #418523

JNixonParticipantHe’ll be very good off the bat for Ohio State, and he’ll probably go on to have a few All-Star years in the NBA, but he does have the ability to get better. I said he doesn’t have a high upside, not that he doesn’t have upside at all. But he will improve on some things obviously and have a good career, but it’s not like he’s some guy who lacks polish and needs time to fit into a role
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 9:17am #418530

JNixonParticipantHe’ll be very good off the bat for Ohio State, and he’ll probably go on to have a few All-Star years in the NBA, but he does have the ability to get better. I said he doesn’t have a high upside, not that he doesn’t have upside at all. But he will improve on some things obviously and have a good career, but it’s not like he’s some guy who lacks polish and needs time to fit into a role
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 9:27am #418535

McDunkinLOL Nixon i dont think i have ever seen you write about Dallas and not mention his boyish looks.
I know Blake Hoffarber is barely a NBADL 2nd round pic , but he has some of the best clutch shots of all time
To this day my cousin(a Ohio State fan in all sports) kills me for how much i hyped Jon Diebler to him. I swear after seeing one high school game of his and his stats (As a senior he averaged 41.2 ppg, 12.3 rpg, and 6apg and broke Lebrons scoring record) I thought he would be their version of JJ Redick
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 9:27am #418542

McDunkinLOL Nixon i dont think i have ever seen you write about Dallas and not mention his boyish looks.
I know Blake Hoffarber is barely a NBADL 2nd round pic , but he has some of the best clutch shots of all time
To this day my cousin(a Ohio State fan in all sports) kills me for how much i hyped Jon Diebler to him. I swear after seeing one high school game of his and his stats (As a senior he averaged 41.2 ppg, 12.3 rpg, and 6apg and broke Lebrons scoring record) I thought he would be their version of JJ Redick
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 9:35am #418543

JNixonParticipantI remember when they talked about Diebler’s HS stats. Then I thought he sucked, because he was horrible as a Freshman. I was like "THIS guy averaged 42 ppg?"
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 9:35am #418550

JNixonParticipantI remember when they talked about Diebler’s HS stats. Then I thought he sucked, because he was horrible as a Freshman. I was like "THIS guy averaged 42 ppg?"
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 9:38am #418549

McDunkinSame thing i said. It was like it took him two years to be able to hit two 3s in a row
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 9:38am #418556

McDunkinSame thing i said. It was like it took him two years to be able to hit two 3s in a row
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 9:40am #418560

lalailaParticipantOK then i agree with you absolutely..
Because he really should be a very good one in pros and he can get better, even loosing 20pounds would make him much better i think
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 9:40am #418553

lalailaParticipantOK then i agree with you absolutely..
Because he really should be a very good one in pros and he can get better, even loosing 20pounds would make him much better i think
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 10:05am #418563

651TwolvesParticipantI think leuer and lucas will both have very successful nba careers. both are average athletes with good skill sets. without their hard work efforts and drive, those kind of players usually don’t find much success in the nba, however, as long as they keep working as hard as they do, they will be very good backups in the nba and valuable assests to their teams.
i also hope rodney williams lives up to his full potential
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 10:05am #418570

651TwolvesParticipantI think leuer and lucas will both have very successful nba careers. both are average athletes with good skill sets. without their hard work efforts and drive, those kind of players usually don’t find much success in the nba, however, as long as they keep working as hard as they do, they will be very good backups in the nba and valuable assests to their teams.
i also hope rodney williams lives up to his full potential
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 11:48am #418627

ChewyParticipantIm gunna try and add to the comparisons:
McCamey= Andre Miller
Davis= Hakim Warrick
Tisdale= Nick Fazecus
Jermey Richmond= Julian Wright
Meyers Leonard= Keith Benson (still at Oakland U)
Brandon Paul= Luther Head
Will Buford= POOR MANS Ray Allen
David Lighty= Quincy Pondexter (with weaker D)
Jujuan Johnson= Taj Gibson
Etwan Moore= OJ Mayo (same skill set- not talent wise)
Robbie Hummel= James Posey
Kalien Lucas= TJ Ford
Durrel Summers= Rodney Stuckey?
Which ones do you agree or disagree with?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 11:48am #418634

ChewyParticipantIm gunna try and add to the comparisons:
McCamey= Andre Miller
Davis= Hakim Warrick
Tisdale= Nick Fazecus
Jermey Richmond= Julian Wright
Meyers Leonard= Keith Benson (still at Oakland U)
Brandon Paul= Luther Head
Will Buford= POOR MANS Ray Allen
David Lighty= Quincy Pondexter (with weaker D)
Jujuan Johnson= Taj Gibson
Etwan Moore= OJ Mayo (same skill set- not talent wise)
Robbie Hummel= James Posey
Kalien Lucas= TJ Ford
Durrel Summers= Rodney Stuckey?
Which ones do you agree or disagree with?
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 1:35pm #418675
stanford hoopsIf j Richmond is checking another teams pf or c then that’s a very big problem for Illinois. Way too light in the azz
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 1:35pm #418682
stanford hoopsIf j Richmond is checking another teams pf or c then that’s a very big problem for Illinois. Way too light in the azz
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 2:49pm #418705

JNixonParticipant"Possibly will be able to defend all 5 positions next year effectively on switches"
Switches=pick and roll defense. I did not necessarily mean a matchup against PF’s and C’s, as in head to head for the course of a game.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 2:49pm #418712

JNixonParticipant"Possibly will be able to defend all 5 positions next year effectively on switches"
Switches=pick and roll defense. I did not necessarily mean a matchup against PF’s and C’s, as in head to head for the course of a game.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 3:16pm #418715

JNixonParticipantMcCamey- Andre Miller
Davis- Hakim Warrick
Tisdale- Brian Butch
Jermey Richmond-
Meyers Leonard- Yi Jianlian
Brandon Paul- Luther Head
Will Buford- Daequan Cook
David Lighty- Arron Afflalo
Jujuan Johnson- Ed Davis
Etwan Moore- Willie Green
Robbie Hummel- Gordon Hayward
Kalien Lucas- Eric Maynor
Durrel Summers- Poor mans Nick Young
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 3:16pm #418722

JNixonParticipantMcCamey- Andre Miller
Davis- Hakim Warrick
Tisdale- Brian Butch
Jermey Richmond-
Meyers Leonard- Yi Jianlian
Brandon Paul- Luther Head
Will Buford- Daequan Cook
David Lighty- Arron Afflalo
Jujuan Johnson- Ed Davis
Etwan Moore- Willie Green
Robbie Hummel- Gordon Hayward
Kalien Lucas- Eric Maynor
Durrel Summers- Poor mans Nick Young
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 3:22pm #418723

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantDid this dude Stanford say "Light in the azz?"
Come on now.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 3:22pm #418730

Mr.Knick 32ParticipantDid this dude Stanford say "Light in the azz?"
Come on now.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 3:42pm #418743

Demarcus OnealParticipantGooc comparisons Iggy but Hakim Warrick is much more atheletic then Mike Davis dont really see that one. Also Affaflo is a much better shooter and player IMO then David Lighty is and will be.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 3:42pm #418750

Demarcus OnealParticipantGooc comparisons Iggy but Hakim Warrick is much more atheletic then Mike Davis dont really see that one. Also Affaflo is a much better shooter and player IMO then David Lighty is and will be.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 4:04pm #418761
stanford hoopsU never gears that term. Very old term. First heard it when Jordan said it to kj when hhe switched on him and Jordan over powered him. Even on a switch it’s a very bad idea. I’m sure they would try to switch back asap like with most sf getting switched onto a pf or c
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 4:04pm #418768
stanford hoopsU never gears that term. Very old term. First heard it when Jordan said it to kj when hhe switched on him and Jordan over powered him. Even on a switch it’s a very bad idea. I’m sure they would try to switch back asap like with most sf getting switched onto a pf or c
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 4:13pm #418767

JNixonParticipantIt’s not that bad an idea when you take into account most of the PF’s and C in the Big 10 are stretch frontcourt guys who like to face up and shoot or attack from the triple threat. In the picking game most teams like to pick and pop instead give and go in most cases in Big 10 action. Think about the bigs the teams in the Big 10 have, and think about how they operate, and tell me Jereme Richmond wouldn’t be a weapon defending them. You aren’t talking about a bunch of traditional bigs who bang in most cases.
Arron Afflalo isn’t that much better a shooter than David Lighty Jr really though. He’s a better player right now, due to Lighty still being in college and Afflalo being in the NBA for like 4 years, but he is a similar player to him IMO and would probably have to play a similar role
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 4:13pm #418774

JNixonParticipantIt’s not that bad an idea when you take into account most of the PF’s and C in the Big 10 are stretch frontcourt guys who like to face up and shoot or attack from the triple threat. In the picking game most teams like to pick and pop instead give and go in most cases in Big 10 action. Think about the bigs the teams in the Big 10 have, and think about how they operate, and tell me Jereme Richmond wouldn’t be a weapon defending them. You aren’t talking about a bunch of traditional bigs who bang in most cases.
Arron Afflalo isn’t that much better a shooter than David Lighty Jr really though. He’s a better player right now, due to Lighty still being in college and Afflalo being in the NBA for like 4 years, but he is a similar player to him IMO and would probably have to play a similar role
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 4:25pm #418777
stanford hoopsIn that case yea but that can be said for most tall small forwards
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 4:25pm #418784
stanford hoopsIn that case yea but that can be said for most tall small forwards
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 4:37pm #418785

McDunkinIts like having Ghandi and Martin Luther King in the same thread. You two are greatness
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 4:37pm #418792

McDunkinIts like having Ghandi and Martin Luther King in the same thread. You two are greatness
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 4:43pm #418791

JNixonParticipantI mean I was only talking NBA prospects lol, I know I could say it for a bunch of tall forwards.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 4:43pm #418799

JNixonParticipantI mean I was only talking NBA prospects lol, I know I could say it for a bunch of tall forwards.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 5:22pm #418819

ChewyParticipantBut it would be nice if people commented on which of my comparisons they liked and didnt like. Im not stupid enough to assume that everyone is going to agree with me and I was interested on who you guys would compare these guys to as well.
I would actually prefer a "chewy your an idiot. This guy is nothing like that guy because of this reason" then just a -1 w/ no comment.
Changing subjects….
I think Leonard is a mobile 7 footer but not as quick or agile as Yi. Hummel plays like Hayward but doesnt have his athleticism, expecially with his 2 recent knee injuries.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 10/25/2010 - 5:22pm #418810

ChewyParticipantBut it would be nice if people commented on which of my comparisons they liked and didnt like. Im not stupid enough to assume that everyone is going to agree with me and I was interested on who you guys would compare these guys to as well.
I would actually prefer a "chewy your an idiot. This guy is nothing like that guy because of this reason" then just a -1 w/ no comment.
Changing subjects….
I think Leonard is a mobile 7 footer but not as quick or agile as Yi. Hummel plays like Hayward but doesnt have his athleticism, expecially with his 2 recent knee injuries.
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