[valentine]

 Which of the following is the best way for a prospect to improve his game….taking money out of the equation. Just in the interest of getting better.

A) Get drafted and rotate between the bench and D-league in rookie year (Eg Montrezl Harrell)

B) Return to school and be a star player (Eg Kris Dunn)

C) Get drafted and play big minutes, on a really bad team (Eg KJ McDaniels Rookie Year)

 

 

 

[ZouldiersParticipant]

 Option C is the best one since the best way to develop your game is to get huge minutes.It allows  the prospect to make mistakes and develop his game given those huge minutes. Look at Devin Booker and KAT right now. They are examples of getting big minutes on a bad teams and be productive. Porzingis and Okafor are examples of that as well. Option A may or may not work on some prospects. It does work but it may take longer to develop the prospect’s game since the level of competition in the D-League is not as challenging as the NBA. Option B is very risky since there is a huge chance your stock may drop a lot lower and the injuries may occur as well unless there is a need to go back for another year, I wouldn’t recommend Option B.

[ZouldiersParticipant]

 Option C is the best one since the best way to develop your game is to get huge minutes.It allows  the prospect to make mistakes and develop his game given those huge minutes. Look at Devin Booker and KAT right now. They are examples of getting big minutes on a bad teams and be productive. Porzingis and Okafor are examples of that as well. Option A may or may not work on some prospects. It does work but it may take longer to develop the prospect’s game since the level of competition in the D-League is not as challenging as the NBA. Option B is very risky since there is a huge chance your stock may drop a lot lower and the injuries may occur as well unless there is a need to go back for another year, I wouldn’t recommend Option B.

[sweaterflexParticipant]

Getting drafted and playing big minutes. The player gains experience both from being with the team, practicing and getting used to the lifestyle while also playing and learning proper rotations and using scouting provided by the coaching staff. Some players may take hits to their confidence, but if they’re that fragile there would have likely been issues down the road anyway. 

[sweaterflexParticipant]

Getting drafted and playing big minutes. The player gains experience both from being with the team, practicing and getting used to the lifestyle while also playing and learning proper rotations and using scouting provided by the coaching staff. Some players may take hits to their confidence, but if they’re that fragile there would have likely been issues down the road anyway. 

[ThenilonatorParticipant]

 Option D:

get drafted by a quality franchise and play back up minutes to quality players/leaders and take your chance when it comes (kawhi leonard)

[ThenilonatorParticipant]

 Option D:

get drafted by a quality franchise and play back up minutes to quality players/leaders and take your chance when it comes (kawhi leonard)

[markfitz14Participant]

 This, Being a role player. Allows to learn from other top notch starters. Players learn a lot by example. Seeing how the position should be played than adding in their own skill to hoepfully make it better than the guy before them.

[markfitz14Participant]

 This, Being a role player. Allows to learn from other top notch starters. Players learn a lot by example. Seeing how the position should be played than adding in their own skill to hoepfully make it better than the guy before them.

[r377Participant]

I was going to say this as option D. Ezeli – Had Bogut to mentor him and was brought along slowly. Can you imagine where Ezeli would be today if he went to Sac to play behind Cousins.

Andre Drummond – although he showed promise early, still came off the bench a lot. He was not thrusted into that starting role. It also give you confidence, if you come off the bench you generally go against other bench players and second units.

Get a great mentor – eg. Towns had Garnett, Wiggins has Prince. Ty Lawson in his prime was very good – he played behind Billups.

Justin Anderson is a good spot with Wes Matthews and Dirk. Cody Zeller has improved this season behing Al Jeff.

Josh Richardson and Winslow have Wade, Deng etc

Bledsoe and Reggie Jackson also were lucky enough to play behind a star PG

[r377Participant]

I was going to say this as option D. Ezeli – Had Bogut to mentor him and was brought along slowly. Can you imagine where Ezeli would be today if he went to Sac to play behind Cousins.

Andre Drummond – although he showed promise early, still came off the bench a lot. He was not thrusted into that starting role. It also give you confidence, if you come off the bench you generally go against other bench players and second units.

Get a great mentor – eg. Towns had Garnett, Wiggins has Prince. Ty Lawson in his prime was very good – he played behind Billups.

Justin Anderson is a good spot with Wes Matthews and Dirk. Cody Zeller has improved this season behing Al Jeff.

Josh Richardson and Winslow have Wade, Deng etc

Bledsoe and Reggie Jackson also were lucky enough to play behind a star PG

[OaktownWarriorsParticipant]

 Dont get drafted by the Lakers, Cavs, Clippers, or the Kings.  Check out the last 5-7 years, they dont develop their draft picks to well or not at all.

 

[OaktownWarriorsParticipant]

 Dont get drafted by the Lakers, Cavs, Clippers, or the Kings.  Check out the last 5-7 years, they dont develop their draft picks to well or not at all.

 

[Hype Machine]

 Interesting. I actually agree with the responses.

 

So why do so many people say these kids should stay in school to develop their game?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[CU.LIONSParticipant]

Most kids should stay in school because “most” kids WON”T get crazy playing like a Wiggins and or KAT. But I will add that everyone is different so no 1 answer is the best for everyone.

[CU.LIONSParticipant]

Most kids should stay in school because “most” kids WON”T get crazy playing like a Wiggins and or KAT. But I will add that everyone is different so no 1 answer is the best for everyone.

[Hype Machine]

 Interesting. I actually agree with the responses.

 

So why do so many people say these kids should stay in school to develop their game?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 C, and D.

I will have a shot with Option E.  Be drafted by a stable franchise.  The coach and management are smart and have been there for a while, there are some solid and polite veterans ready to set a good example on and off the floor and to protect the young player, there are regular and increasing minutes in a bench role, there are no other prospects for the same position and the team takes practice and summer league as serious as real games so the player is always learning and developing.

So not Sacramento.  It doesn’t have to be a champion team, but a professional and stable one.  

 

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 C, and D.

I will have a shot with Option E.  Be drafted by a stable franchise.  The coach and management are smart and have been there for a while, there are some solid and polite veterans ready to set a good example on and off the floor and to protect the young player, there are regular and increasing minutes in a bench role, there are no other prospects for the same position and the team takes practice and summer league as serious as real games so the player is always learning and developing.

So not Sacramento.  It doesn’t have to be a champion team, but a professional and stable one.  

 

 

[publius2481Participant]

 The numbers are clear that going back does not help your development more than being drafted (you go back to school to improve your draft stock). I always thought that made sense because in the NBA you have better coaches, better training staff, and they can spend more time working with you than their college equivilants can due to NCAA rules.

So the real debate is A or C. All things being equal I would say C is the best option, mostly because you get to make mistakes while playing against top competition. However, I think preferable if you are going to a franchise with a stable, strong coaching staff. Going to a dumpster fire like Sacramento is probably going to hurt your development because coaches and teamates will change constantly.

 

[publius2481Participant]

 The numbers are clear that going back does not help your development more than being drafted (you go back to school to improve your draft stock). I always thought that made sense because in the NBA you have better coaches, better training staff, and they can spend more time working with you than their college equivilants can due to NCAA rules.

So the real debate is A or C. All things being equal I would say C is the best option, mostly because you get to make mistakes while playing against top competition. However, I think preferable if you are going to a franchise with a stable, strong coaching staff. Going to a dumpster fire like Sacramento is probably going to hurt your development because coaches and teamates will change constantly.

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 Getting entitlement minutes on a bad team is a great way for a player to develop bad habits that they’ll eventually have to unlearn if/when their team turns the corner.  Just playing games is an AAU mentality.  I think fans tend to side with option C because they’d rather see player development happen in front of their eyes, when the reality is that the real development happens out of their view, where the players work on their individual skills, improve physically, go over film and game situations in real time.

   

[GBeeParticipant]

 Getting entitlement minutes on a bad team is a great way for a player to develop bad habits that they’ll eventually have to unlearn if/when their team turns the corner.  Just playing games is an AAU mentality.  I think fans tend to side with option C because they’d rather see player development happen in front of their eyes, when the reality is that the real development happens out of their view, where the players work on their individual skills, improve physically, go over film and game situations in real time.

   

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 If you want to develop young players just look at how the Lakers have done it this year, and do the complete opposite.

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 If you want to develop young players just look at how the Lakers have done it this year, and do the complete opposite.

[sheltwon3Participant]

 Clarkson developed pretty well and Randle is looking really good and ahead of schedule.  Even Russell is looking good.  The problem with Lakers is everybody but Kobe in the starting line up were young.  Also they had no chemistry because their vets weren’t those chemistry type people.  Nick Young is not going to help your chemistry.  Hibbert doesn’t have the personality for it.  Bass can only do what he can and when he got minute did exactly what you should expect.  If Kobe was more healthy this season Lakers still make the playoffs.  Kobe took a worst team to the playoffs that had Smush Parker at point guard.

[sheltwon3Participant]

 Clarkson developed pretty well and Randle is looking really good and ahead of schedule.  Even Russell is looking good.  The problem with Lakers is everybody but Kobe in the starting line up were young.  Also they had no chemistry because their vets weren’t those chemistry type people.  Nick Young is not going to help your chemistry.  Hibbert doesn’t have the personality for it.  Bass can only do what he can and when he got minute did exactly what you should expect.  If Kobe was more healthy this season Lakers still make the playoffs.  Kobe took a worst team to the playoffs that had Smush Parker at point guard.

[ncballer]

Great thread.  It really depends on the player’s personality and what motivates him to work harder.  One player might get down on himself if he is pulled for every mistake he makes.  Another might use that as fire to fix those mistakes.  One player might hate watching a guy less talented than him play longer, another will use that as fire.  

One player might just enjoy playing and use the d-league for confidence, or college for confidence.  

Ultimately though, it comes down IMHO to what is going to motivate a player to be calling the teams trainers or skill coaches 2 hours before practice and putting in the extra work to develop and making them stay after.  Development ultimately comes down to the guy who is spending the most time in the gym when he doesn’t have to.  

 

 

 

[ncballer]

Great thread.  It really depends on the player’s personality and what motivates him to work harder.  One player might get down on himself if he is pulled for every mistake he makes.  Another might use that as fire to fix those mistakes.  One player might hate watching a guy less talented than him play longer, another will use that as fire.  

One player might just enjoy playing and use the d-league for confidence, or college for confidence.  

Ultimately though, it comes down IMHO to what is going to motivate a player to be calling the teams trainers or skill coaches 2 hours before practice and putting in the extra work to develop and making them stay after.  Development ultimately comes down to the guy who is spending the most time in the gym when he doesn’t have to.  

 

 

 

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