[WälseParticipant]

i would love to hear some of you fellas best comparisons for this years draft class to current NBA players. who do you think each draftee will end up playing like? i see griffin as a stoudemire/boozer mix. i think curry will be a steve kerr type. give me some of yours.

[flea61Participant]

…but Thabeet/Mutombo. I just don’t see how you can disagree with that.

Also I see Darren Collison as a Steve Blake-type of player, except faster. Good shooter (never shot this year but was close to 50% as a junior from 3 point range), extremely fast, good distributor. Like Blake, he’s a little small and will have problems guarding bigger point guards (nothing new here, if Collison were bigger he’d be a top 10 pick but he got eaten alive by Derrick Rose in the Final Four last year).

[WälseParticipant]

i think the Mutombo/ Thabeet is the best case scenario for him. i really think he is way too soft. he’s always on the ground, rolling around, getting knocked down. i think he will get bullied. i hope i’m wrong though because i like the guy. maybe in time he can be like Mutombo, but i dont remember ever seeing Dikembe getting pushed around. i can see the Collison/Blake comparison, but isnt Blake a good 3-4 inches taller. i think he even guards 2’s on occasion. Collison is, like you said, easily quicker.

[flea61Participant]

He also weighs only 176 pounds. Only time he guards 2s is when Bayless or Rodriguez are in the game with him.

Don’t forget, Collison is 6’1. He’s just pole-thin.

[Al-Farouq AminuParticipant]

Griffin Stoudamire
Rubio Calderon
Thabeet Dalembert
Harden Ginobli
Hill Gooden
Jennings Telfair
Clark Marvin Williams
Henderson Poor man’s Iguodala
Budinger Fernandez
Monroe Poor man’s Aldridge
Lawson Felton
Curry Poor man’s Mike Bibby
Evans Rodney Stuckey
Ellington McChants
Blair Milsap/ Maxiell
Teague Ellis/ Devin Harris
Flynn Aa. Brooks
J. Johnson Poor man’s Jeff Green
Maynor Steve Blake

[WälseParticipant]

i like those, especially the Rubio/Calderon, Harden/Ginobili, Evans/Stuckey, & Clark/Williams. how about Terrence Williams=Ronnie Brewer.

[Csharp3410Participant]

Griffin and Boozer are nothing alike….Griffin doesnt shoot a jumper ever.
Griffin to Stoudemire/Shawn Kemp.
Thabeet-Dalembert
Stephen Curry-Better Eddie House/Janerro Pargo
DeJuan Blair-Glen Davis/Tractor Trailor (Blair is nothing like Milsap, Milsap takes jump shots,Blair doesnt)
Craig Brackins-Troy Murphy
DaJuan Summers-Caron Butler/Tim Thomas
Danny Green-Raja Bell/Keith Bogans
Nick Calathes-Bigger Kirk Hinrich
Jodie Meeks- Von Wafer

[WälseParticipant]

disagree on Blair. he’s not athletic like those 2. i dont think Curry is near Bibby skill wise and i dont think McCants can touch Ellington as a shooter. & i disagree completely on Gerald Henderson. i dont think he does anything as well as iguodala. i could be wrong.

[WälseParticipant]

i agree, Csharp, but i dont think Boozer really developed that jumper until he was in the NBA. stoudemire too has a nice jumper now, that he didnt have when he entered the league. i think Griffin will develop one considering his form.

[WälseParticipant]

i like your curry, summers, and green choices.

[michaelds911Participant]

I don’t agree with the Thabeet-Dalembert because I think Dalembert is still more agressive than Thabeet and can rebound much better. But I do like the Ronnie Brewer-T.Will one though.

[PringlesParticipant]

Blake Griffin – Kenyon Martin
Ricky Rubio – Brandon Roy
Hasheem Thabeet – Dikembe Mutumbo (check the college stats)
Jordan Hill – Brian Grant
James Harden – Mitch Richmond
Greg Monroe – Amare Stoudemire
Brandon Jennings – Speedy Claxton

[TWolves88Participant]

Griffin/A’mare- Tyrus Thomas w/ bulk
Rubio/ Calderon- Sergio Rodriguez
Thabeet/ Mutombo-Sene
Harden/ Jerry Stackhouse in his prime-Wille Green + athleticism
Blair/ Poor mans Rodman-Michael Sweetney
Jennings/ Marbury in his Prime-Telfair
Hill/Chris Bosh-Miki Moore
DeRozen/ Vince- Gerald Green
Ty Lawson/ Nelson-Brevin Knight
Johnny Flynn/ Arenas- Eddie House
Earl Clark/ Jeff Green-Ryan Gomes
Wayne Ellington/ Jamal Crawford- Rashad McCants
Henderson/ Poor mans Wade- Raja Bell

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

Was Tractor Traylor an athlete?? Thats new to me.

[bron42Participant]

griffien doesn’t have a jumper but when boozer came into the league he didn’t have a jumper either and was a crappy athlete. I’d say more amare pre-injury. If rubio is calderon, no way you waste a #2 pick on him. Harden is more like granger.

Griffin -Stoudamire
Rubio – Caldero/carlos arroyo
Thabeet – Ratliff
Harden – Granger
Hill – Ty Thomas
Jennings – Randy Foye
Clark – Marvin Williams
Henderson – Dauntay Jones
Budinger – Fernandez
Monroe Poor man’s Aldridge
Lawson – Felton
Curry – Pargo/tall earl boykins (not kerr cuz kerr couldn’t create his own shot)
Evans Rodney Stuckey
Ellington – McChants
Blair – Milsap/ Maxiell (hes not the athlete either of them are though)
Teague – Ellis/ Devin Harris
Flynn Aa. Brooks
J. Johnson Poor man’s Jeff Green
Maynor – dooling

[edoom06Participant]

How do you watch Harden play and think of Danny Granger? Granger is a 6’8″ small forward/power forward who perfected his long range jumper this season but still gets alot of his points on post ups and Iso’s. Harden is a 6’4″ (ish) guard (2/1) who’s strength is creating off the dribble. Rubio-Calderon/Carlos Arroyo? Why……because none of them are american? Calderon and Arroyo are not even comparable, so how is Rubio comparable to BOTH of them. I like tonydaboss’s list the best except for the Griffin and Jennings comparison. Griffin will be a better player than Lee (even though I think Lee is the most underrated player in the NBA) and Jennings being compared to AI with Baron Davis’s passing ability is a bit LOFTY to say the least,

[Csharp3410Participant]

Tyreke Evans and Rodney Stuckey? I dont get that one…Tyreke is 6’5. I see more of Jamal Crawford/Larry Hughes (when he cared about basketball) lol. Personally i dont think Thabeet is any Mutombo either.

Flynn-Bigger and Better TJ Ford
Budinger-Brent Barry
Gerald Henderson-Micheal Finley/Dahntay Jones
Earl Clark-Jeff Green/Marvin Williams

[sheltwon3Participant]

Kxkx

I like your list I will offer a few change though

Griffin Stoudamire

Rubio Calderon

Thabeet Dalembert

Harden Ginobli

Hill Gooden

Jennings Telfair( a more athletic version I would have to say )

Clark Marvin Williams

Henderson Poor man’s Iguodala(Henderson reminds me more of JRICH than Iguodala)

Budinger Fernandez( I don’t see this one but other than brent barry I need some time to figure this one out)

Monroe Poor man’s Aldridge( I like this one)

Lawson Felton(crazy huh NC drafts similiar players a lot)

Curry Poor man’s Mike Bibby(Curry is too small to be on Bibby’s level and is a better shooter)

Evans Rodney Stuckey( that is not that far off but i would say Jamal Crawford though)

Ellington McChants(This is tough because Ellington has the size but McCants to me is the better player because he is just a more natural score who has not be allowed to really let it out yet)

Blair Milsap/ Maxiell(nope more like Craig Smith or early year Malik Rose)

Teague Ellis/ Devin Harris( I don’t much about Teague but from what I hear this is a legit comparison)

Flynn Aa. Brooks

J. Johnson Poor man’s Jeff Green( I would have went with Granger but they are along the same lines)

Maynor Steve Blake(IBlake is more defense and playmaker, Maynor is more of a scorer)

[sheltwon3Participant]

Griffin/A’mare- Tyrus Thomas w/ bulk
Rubio/ Calderon- Sergio Rodriguez
Thabeet/ Mutombo-Sene
Harden/ Jerry Stackhouse in his prime-Wille Green + athleticism
Blair/ Poor mans Rodman-Michael Sweetney
Jennings/ Marbury in his Prime-Telfair
Hill/Chris Bosh-Miki Moore
DeRozen/ Vince- Gerald Green
Ty Lawson/ Nelson-Brevin Knight
Johnny Flynn/ Arenas- Eddie House
Earl Clark/ Jeff Green-Ryan Gomes
Wayne Ellington/ Jamal Crawford- Rashad McCants
Henderson/ Poor mans Wade- Raja Bell

I love how some of these players will not be terrible now matter what which lets you know they are good.
Jeff Green and Ryan Gomes are different players with Gomes owning the now and Green the future.
Clark to me seem more like Odom lite or Marvin Williams.

[tuck243Participant]

Ellington-Jamal Crawford? Isn’t Crawford an excellant ball-handler like AND 1? And Wayne’s biggest weakness is that he’s not a good ball-handler? Not a great comparison…

Jennings- Marbury? Marbury is and was strong… Isn’t that Jennings biggest flaw?

And the whole Griffin/Boozer thing… Griffin is VERY, VERY athletic… Is it just me or is Carlos Boozer non-athletic? The comparison is cool as far as banging but Griffin plays above the rim… Boozer rarely dunks!!!

[WälseParticipant]

i’m gonna borrow some of yalls, use players from the past as well, and combine certain players to make a list.

Griffin=Stoudemire/Boozer(size mostly)
Rubio=Calderon
Thabeet=Mutombo/Shawn Bradley (lol) i just think he’s gonna get dunked on a lot
Harden=Mitch Richmond/Ginobili
Hill=Brian Grant/Drew Gooden
Jennings=Kenny Anderson/Starbury
Derozan=Stackhouse
Lawson=Nelson
Evans=Stuckey
Clark=Odom/Marvin Williams
Blair=Danny Fortson/Sweetney
Ellington=Anthony Peeler
Henderson-Dahntay Jones/J. Rich
Curry= Steve Kerr/J. Pargo
T. Williams=Ronnie Brewer
Summers=Butler/T. Thomas
Brackins=Charlie V
Maynor=Dooling
Flynn=Mo Williams
Teague=Ellis/Harris
Budinger=Brent Barry/Joe Alexander
J. Johnson=J. Green/Granger

[michaelds911Participant]

Where is this Mitch Richmond comparison coming from, Harden is nowhere as good as a shooter as Mitch.

[ch15r36isParticipant]

Blake Griffin appears to be breaking the mold. I don’t think he has quite the same (pre-surgery) quickness as Amare, but is otherwise more athletic than both Amare and Boozer and is bigger and just as strong as Boozer. It’s really probably not too far off base to compare him to a young Karl Malone before he developed a consistent jumper. I really think he can end up being that good if he continues to develop.
The Harden-Richmond comparison is a good one. Harden is just as good a shooter as young Mitch Richmond was (who was more of a scorer than a shooter.)
Everyone else is very hard to peg right now, because either they aren’t fully developed players or it is hard to know how their game will translate at the next level.

[Lodzio20Participant]

Summers is like Tim Thomas??haha

[BradfomsParticipant]

So far I’ve seen people compare Chase Budinger to Mike Miller, Rudy Fernandez, and Brent Barry, but nobody seems to think they are GREAT comparisons…but what I think is funny is that by habit, everyone looks to compare him to a white player because he is white…I admit I did the same, just thought that was funny…I’m now searching for a non-white player that might be a better comparison…no dice so far though haha

[sheltwon3Participant]

There are some good lists up here. I love alphamales. I agree with pretty much all of your picks. Also Chase is just easier to compare to a white player than some of the past quality white players even though he is athletic.

[DY_nastyParticipant]

Lawson is the next Brevin Knight? Really??

Lawson = Felton 2.0
Ellington = Cuttino Mobley
Stephon Curry = Delonte West OR the illegitimate point guard son of Reggie Miller – the guy is NOT a spot up shooter at heart and he tends to dominate the ball, wherever he lands he’s going to change his style accordingly
Blake = Chris Wilcox with hops(Yeah, I don’t think he’s THAT good)
Teague = Mike Bibby
Harden = Poor man’s Finley
Gerald Henderson = Dahntay Jones, love that comparison
Hansborough = David Lee/Udonis Haslem
Derozan = Stackhouse
Blair = Tractor Traylor

Flynn and Evans = Dajuan Wagner!

[Lodzio20Participant]

Teague is not like Mike Bibby and Chris Wilcox has hops!!and Flynn is not like Dajuan Wagner…he’s the best PG in the draft. Evans= Wagner??no…I agree with other comparisons

[ch15r36isParticipant]

Outside of the very top tier of players (Blake Griffin), I’d estimate about 5% of these comparisons actually mean anything/end up making any sense in any given year.

[Appleby_15Participant]

Rubio–calderon w/better defense
Griffin–stronger k-mart
Thabeet–somewhere between dalembert and johan petro
Hill–turiaf w/better offense
Harden–poor man’s b-roy
Jennings–telfair w/height
Clark–tim thomas
Henderson–poor man’s michael finley
Budinger–brent barry
Brackins–channing frye
Monroe–poor man’s pau gasol
Ellington–cuttino mobley
Lawson–tj ford
Flynn–rafer alston
Curry–mike bibby
Evans–larry hughes
Johnson–ruben patterson
Maynor–poor man’s sam cassell
Blair–ike diogu
Mullins–more athletic chris mihm
Young–joey graham
Teague–jerryd bayless
Mills–homeless man’s tony parker
James–poor man’s jeff green
Hansbrough–mark madson

[DY_nastyParticipant]

I really think Blake’s gonna fold… but thats just me. If he played in a better conference and put up those numbers than it’d be a different story. UNC handled him just fine, and they’ve got Charmin soft down in the lane.

Teague plays a lot like a young Bibby, before Stern rigged that LA/Sac series and took his manhood lol

and Flynn is maybe the 3rd best PG in this draft, he’s got a nice upside, but his floor is pretty low at the same time. I look at it like this, if you put Curry up in Syracuse this year – do you think he has a better season than Flynn?

[WälseParticipant]

i’m thinking of some non-white comparisons for Budinger. how about Budinger=Rasual Butler? i like the sam young=joey graham.

[WhyParticipant]

Amare Stoudamire has more athleticism than Karl Malone ever did… Amare pre surgery had elite athleticism. Grifin’s is close to that.

[WritingNBA.blogspot.comParticipant]

Blake Griffin: Amare Stoudemire

Tyreke Evans: Jamal Crawford

Austin Daye: Dirk Nowitzki

Johnny Flynn: Chris Paul

Craig Brackins: Tim Thomas

Earl Clark: poor mans’ Lebron James or more athletic Boris Diaw

Nick Calathes: Kirk Hinrich plus size

[WälseParticipant]

i dont think Evans will ever fill it up like Jamal Crawford can. i may be wrong there. but i think comparing Daye to Nowitzki is equivalent to comparing Hansbrough to Larry Bird. Never in Daye’s wildest dreams will he measure up to Dirk. Personally, i dont think he’ll even measure up to Tskitishvilli! (excuse my spelling) But once again, i could be wrong.

[michaelds911Participant]

Austin Daye – Dirk Nowitzki hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Doesn’t shoot anywhere as good, doesn’t rebound as good, not agressive, no mid range game, doesn’t have the same i.q., am I missing anything else? And how did Carolina handle Griffin? Do you guys even watch basketball?

[Gabereal33Participant]

I can only properly judge those players who i have seen extensively. That said Thabeet really is very similar to Dikembe. He is not as strong as Dikembe and his instincts arent as honed as Dikembes but his ability, size, and athleticism are on par with Dikembe.

Blake Griffin — Kenyon Martin/ Shawn Kemp

Willie Warren — Rodney Stucky

Hasheem Thabeet — Dikembe Mutombo

Stanley Robinson — Tyrus Thomas/ Sean Williams

Jeff Adrien — Paul Millsap

AJ Price — Earl Watson

Dajuan Blair — Craig Smith/ Reggie Evans

Stephen Curry — Salim Stoudemire/ Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf

James Harden– Ray Allen (same handle, passing ability, size, and speed but Ray Allen is a far better shooter)

[TONYDABOSS77Participant]

griffin: karl malone with lebron-esque athleticism
rubio: jose calderon
jennings: iverson of old (96-2003)
clark: stephen jackson minus the jumper
hill: wilcox
harden:brandon roy
thabeet:oden
t-will: a poor mans dwayne wade
brackins: villanueva
curry: aaron brooks/mike bibby
flynn: mo williams
teague: gilbert arenas/monta ellis
derozan: vince carter/iguodala
budinger:fernandez/poor man’s joe johnson/hedo turkoglu
evans: mcgrady
henderson: sprewell

[mamadouParticipant]

I understand the griffin comparison stat-boozer with athleticism, highlights, tall of stat, and the bulk, the power, the rebounding of boozer….
i add my touch, the final touch, STAT/boozer/scalabrine fort the red head and the overall level….
Not sure at all, the guy could become a 25-26/10/2, 56%FG, 82%FT like stat should have been if gentry taken the team last summer, without diaw and thornton’s fingers in the eyes too….not sure at all 4 C-booz too, without injury, in the final year of his contract he should have put 22-11,5-3(assists) this season…saw more a better version of wilcox.
My comparisons ellington/poor man’s mobley
T-will/tony allen pre knee injuries
blair/fortson
brackins/frye
monroe/taller boris diaw
lawson/terrell brandon’s poor man, not too much.

[cycloParticipant]

I don’t see a whole lot of difference between Ty Lawson and Chris Paul.

Paul is better, but their size and skills are virtually identical and Lawson has the potential to become an NBA all-star himself.

[cycloParticipant]

Ray Allen was a great athlete and an explosive leaper.

James Harden is not.

James Harden reminds me of a Trenton Hassell with better shooting/more scoring.

In the 80’s/early 90’s, Karl Malone was a better, more elite, more explosive athlete than Amare Stoudamire ever was.

In his youthful prime, Karl Malone was also a more elite athlete than Blake Griffin is today.

[Gabereal33Participant]

yea Ray allen was actually a great leaper. probably most underrated part of his game. but their games are very similar. and both can be very crafty at times but nothing extraordinary.

[BradfomsParticipant]

I don’t know if there will ever be another Mailman…thats a tough comparison

[WälseParticipant]

The Mailman was a specimen, but he was never an explosive leaper on the level of Griffin and Stoudemire. he was, however, much stronger and more physical than those two will ever be. & man could he run the court!

[cprizz15Participant]

i def dont see it..

[edoom06Participant]

Malone was crazy strong and very fast for his position but he wasnt anywhere close to the explosive leaper that Amare was before the micro or Shawn Kemp in his Rainman days. Griffin is an explosive athlete on that level. I was about to roast my man about the Stephan Curry/Abdul Rauf comparison because the Rauf I like to remember is the Chris Jackson one that played at LSU, that guy was quicker, faster and more explosive than any guard in college b-ball at the time. But once he got to the NBA he pretty much just became a dead-eye shooter who if he was hot could put up 30 in half a quarter, so that comparison is actually pretty accurate.

[Lodzio20Participant]

In my opinion Jonny Flynn is like Chris Paul, not Ty Lawson…he’s like Jameer Nelson

[WälseParticipant]

i agree that James Harden isnt the athlete that Ray Allen was at the same stage nor the shooter. i think Harden has much better passing& ball handling ability than Ray had, making him more of a playmaker than Ray ever was, while Ray was more of a gunner.

[WälseParticipant]

i agree that James Harden isnt the athlete that Ray Allen was at the same stage nor the shooter. i think Harden has much better passing& ball handling ability than Ray had, making him more of a playmaker than Ray ever was, while Ray was more of a gunner.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Thabeet–Keith Closs lol

[Cwat6363Participant]

i have to disagree, Brewer has a very ugly jumper and cannot be relied on shooting the basketball. Williams has a plus jumper. In terms of size, body type, and athleticism they are similar. but the comparison ends there.

[WälseParticipant]

the only knock you ever hear on T. Williams is that he has an unreliable jumper. i wont argue that his form is infinitely better, but as far as results, they’re probably pretty close. brewer’s mid-range jumper has gotten to be pretty consistent. he’s not a 3 point shooter, but neither is T. Will. i feel pretty good about this comparison, but i agree to disagree.

[WälseParticipant]

plus, they can both handle the ball, pass very well, get a lot of steals, and defend. so i think the comparison goes on and on.

[Dewy_SpainParticipant]

Ricky and Calderon? haha nooo guys, Calderon is better in 3points, but ricky is better in Defense.

Ricky seems Rajon Rondo or Jason Kidd

[blackflash234Participant]

Blake Griffin-Amare Stoudimire/Shawn Kemp
Ricky Rubio-Steve Nash/Pete Maravich
Hasheem Thabeet-Samuel Dalembert/Dikembe Mutombo
Jordan Hil-Jermaine O’neil(pre-injuries)/Antonio McDyess
James Harden-Paul Pierce/Brandon Roy
Brandon Jennings-Russell Westbrook
Demar Derozen-Vince Carter
Earl Clark-N/A
Gerald Henderson-N/A
Johnny Flynn-Deron Williams
Wayne Ellington-Daquean Cook
Chase Budinger-N/A
James Johnson-N/A
Eric Maynor-Mike James
Ty Lawson-Raymond Felton
Stephen Curry-Mike Bibby/Eddie House
Tyreke Evans-Jamal Crawford
Patrick Patterson-N/A
Jeff Teague-Monta Ellis/Kevin Johnson
BJ Mullens/Amir Johnson
DeJuan Blair/Paul Millsap
Patrick Mills/N/A
Gani Lawal/N/A
Sam Young-James Posey
Terrence Williams-Andre Iguodala
Omri Casspi-N/A
Damion James-Leon Powe
Tyler Hansberough-Luis Scola/Udonis Haslem
DaJuan Summers-N/A
Jeff Pendergraph-N/A

Continue This Thread at this link.. http://www.nbadraft.net/node/5374

[pig nobsParticipant]

Sam young is not like posey at all Yong doesn’t shoot a million threes every game, he likes to drive. He be more like a jeff green more than dajaun summers will.

[WälseParticipant]

i agree with some, but disagree on some too. here’s my thinking. i dont think Hill has the athleticism a young Oneal or McDyess. derozan is quite the athlete, but i dont think he’s vince carter athletic. you’re talking about possibly the most explosive athlete in NBA history. i think the Flynn to Williams is way off. i just dont see it. i also dont see any similarities between westbrook and jennings besides the position. westbrook is a converted 2 guard while i’ve always thought of jennings as a pure point. i dont think Evans is or ever will be the pure scorer that Crawford although i can see where you were going with that. not sure i can see the Mullens to Amir Johnson, although i havent seen a ton of Mullens. not really a fan of the Blair/Millsap, Williams/Iggy, Young/Posey, or Hansbrough comparisons. more of my thoughts are on the first page, not that you care anyway! lol

[sheltwon3Participant]

Rasual Butler plays great D and also He may not be as athletic as Chase. Maybe Morris Peterson is more on Chase level. Also I don’t the know this player that well but James Johnson is like a hybrid of Marquis Daniels and maybe Granger. He moves a little more smoother than Granger but not as explosive as Josh Howard. I can see him being a pretty good pro.

[WälseParticipant]

i agree with you, but someone was asking for a non-white Budinger comparison, so i did my best!

[SlickParticipant]

Blake Griffin – Kris Humphries
Ricky Rubio – A taller Brevin Knight
Hasheem Thabeet – Sene
Jordan Hil – Chris Wilcox
James Harden – Devin Brown
Brandon Jennings – Lou Williams
Demar Derozen – James White
Earl Clark – Amir Johnson
Gerald Henderson – Damien Wilkins
Johnny Flynn – Earl Boykins
Wayne Ellington – A taller Boobie Gibson
Chase Budinger – Rasual Butler
James Johnson – Ryan Gomes
Eric Maynor – Sean Livingston
Ty Lawson – Kyle Lowry
Stephen Curry – Eddie House
Tyreke Evans – Stephen Jackson
Patrick Patterson – Melvin Ely
Jeff Teague – Mike James
BJ Mullens – Jake Voshkul
DeJuan Blair – Sean May
Patrick Mills – Dee Brown
Gani Lawal – Chuck Hayes
Sam Young – Ima Udoka
Terrence Williams – LeBron James
Damion James – Dorell Wright
Tyler Hansberough – Ron Artest
DaJuan Summers – Luke Walton
Jeff Pendergraph – Hilton Armstrong

[KantParticipant]

I can’t really see how you compare Rubio to Calderon. Calde is a first pass PG, ok, but he plays zero D and he has developed a jumpshot over the years, becoming quite reliable. He’s slow and he has good court vision.

I’m not totally sold on Rubio (I’m spanish) but what I can tell you is that they are totally different. Rubio has great defensive awareness, plays much more loose basketball and one of his main strengths is defense and positioning. He puts under pressure the other PG with his body positioning reading where he will go and that allows him to create tons of turnovers and steals. Other than that, he is developing a jumpshot, he had only 10 days to work last summer with a shooting coach and he has improved remarkably, but he’s FAR from being reliable.

I’d say he is fast enough and very long and tall to avoid defensive problems on his 2nd year and so on, but he will have to learn a bit how the D-Will and CP3 of the league do their stuff. He’s a great creator, he’s superb at the pick&roll but he will struggle until he improves his shot.

You can expect him to be a future Calderon (in terms of improving every year, team oriented pass first PG) but playing good defense (which can be an All Star). Rubio’s main advantage is his quick improvement, he learns everything so easily that his second year will be years ahead of his first. So I can predict for him what Jose Calderon did: develop a good jumpshot and (what Calde never did) become a lock on D.

Another point worth mentioning is the discussion about the Euro statistics we see and why it look like every euro is sh*t, we should remark that in Europe assist don’t count the same way as the NBA. Only if the pass is straight and the player receiving makes no dribble at all (almost catch and shoot) it counts. Actually it’s not as easy as I say, but you get the point.

The NBA court is wider, Euro game is very crowded in the paint as it is smaller (remember NBA 3 point line is further than Euro line)

By the way, for those who believe BJennings is gonna be the next great thing…

Rubio Euroleague: ppg 2.4 | apg 2.8 | to 2.4 | rpg 2.4 | mpg : 13
Jennings Euroleague: ppg 7.6 | apg 1.6 | to 1.2 | rpg 1.6 | mpg: 20

And Jennings was schooled by Rubio when they played (which, by the way, means nothing)

Hope it helps.

[WälseParticipant]

thanks for that. that’s some pretty good insight. i appreciate you.

[quincey hodges]

how are the comparisions looking so far

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