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  • #53781
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    Of course, playing the comparison game is tough but I think it’s fun to predict how good a player can be and how bad they can end up.

    Let me know what comparisons I am way off on and which I’m fairly close with, criticism welcomed and encouraged.

    Feel free to post your comparisons as well.

    Note: all of these comparisons are in their prime, unless they’re young, then it’s for their current skill-level. (i.e. Markieff Morris and Derrick Williams)

    Aaron Gordon

    • Worst case: Derrick Williams
    • Best case: Antawn Jamison / Kenneth Faried
    • Most likely: Markieff Morris

    Noah Vonleh

    • Worst case: Ed Davis
    • Best case: Al Harrington / Serge Ibaka
    • Most likely: Tristan Thompson

    Marcus Smart

    • Worst case: Jarrett Jack
    • Best case: Deron Williams
    • Most likely: Chauncey Billups

    Dante Exum

    • Worst cause: Shaun Livingston
    • Best case: Penny Hardaway
    • Most likely: Evan Turner

    Julius Randle

    • Worst case: J.J. Hickson
    • Best case: Chris Webber
    • Most likely: Paul Millsap

    Jabari Parker

    • Worst case: Caron Butler
    • Best case: Paul Pierce
    • Most likely: prime Joe Johnson

    Andrew Wiggins

    • Worst case: Desmond Mason
    • Best case: Paul George
    • Most likely: Andre Iguodala

    Joel Embiid

    • Worst case: Michael Olowokandi
    • Best case: Hakeem Olajuwon
    • Most likely: Roy Hibbert / Andrew Bynum
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  • #869655
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    I like how you set this up (best case, worst case, most likely). Overall, great analysis, and I think i see where you were going with each prospect.

    I disagree with a few, and agree with a few:

    I really like the three you laid out for Aaron Gordon. I am not as high on him as most, and agree with your assessment. I just wonder about his ability to shoot the basketball. He is an excellent athlete, but he is going to need to get some sort of midrange/free-throw shooting ability. It will take a lot of work, and he has shown nothing that says he will pick that up. I can definitely see some sort of Faried Clone, flying around creating havoc.

    I disagreed with the Julius Randle assessment. I can’t see even in the ‘best’ case scenario he is in the ballpark of Chris Webber. Chris Webber was a cerebral passer and could dissect opponents from the high, mid, and low post. I just don’t think Randle is that type of player. I see him more in the Zach Randolph "brusier in the post mold."

    In regards to Jabari Parker, I really like the Butler/Pierce (best case/worst case) – however don’t really see the prime Joe Johnson. Are we talking Pheonix (more of an outside shooter) or Atlanta (Star on a middle of the road playoff team). I think with Parker’s side he is going to be an excellent rebounder, and I think that is one thing that really separates him from the pack. I just don’t think that was ever a part of Johnson’s game.

    And for Marcus Smart – my most likely is Emmitt Smith (dude does not look like a basketball player). He is a beast. He is a total question mark in my mind, haha.

    Like i said, great analysis – this is just my two cents.

     

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  • #869548
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    I like how you set this up (best case, worst case, most likely). Overall, great analysis, and I think i see where you were going with each prospect.

    I disagree with a few, and agree with a few:

    I really like the three you laid out for Aaron Gordon. I am not as high on him as most, and agree with your assessment. I just wonder about his ability to shoot the basketball. He is an excellent athlete, but he is going to need to get some sort of midrange/free-throw shooting ability. It will take a lot of work, and he has shown nothing that says he will pick that up. I can definitely see some sort of Faried Clone, flying around creating havoc.

    I disagreed with the Julius Randle assessment. I can’t see even in the ‘best’ case scenario he is in the ballpark of Chris Webber. Chris Webber was a cerebral passer and could dissect opponents from the high, mid, and low post. I just don’t think Randle is that type of player. I see him more in the Zach Randolph "brusier in the post mold."

    In regards to Jabari Parker, I really like the Butler/Pierce (best case/worst case) – however don’t really see the prime Joe Johnson. Are we talking Pheonix (more of an outside shooter) or Atlanta (Star on a middle of the road playoff team). I think with Parker’s side he is going to be an excellent rebounder, and I think that is one thing that really separates him from the pack. I just don’t think that was ever a part of Johnson’s game.

    And for Marcus Smart – my most likely is Emmitt Smith (dude does not look like a basketball player). He is a beast. He is a total question mark in my mind, haha.

    Like i said, great analysis – this is just my two cents.

     

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    • #869751
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      I swear if I see one more "Randle is a bruiser/Randolph post player" comment.  

      Watch the damn guy play!  

      He will be an inside/outside slasher in the league…nothing like Randolph.  I thought Blake Griffin was the best ball handling power forward I’ve seen til Randle and Randle’s handle is much better.  

      An accurate comparison is Michael Beasley/Terrence Jones but with 20+ and 10 potential.

       

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    • #869857
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      I swear if I see one more "Randle is a bruiser/Randolph post player" comment.  

      Watch the damn guy play!  

      He will be an inside/outside slasher in the league…nothing like Randolph.  I thought Blake Griffin was the best ball handling power forward I’ve seen til Randle and Randle’s handle is much better.  

      An accurate comparison is Michael Beasley/Terrence Jones but with 20+ and 10 potential.

       

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  • #869653
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     I don’t like the Gordon comparisons, none of them take into account his very good defense. I like Faried, but with great D.

    I like the Randle comps though, spot on.

      Mine go a lil summin like this:

    Aaron Gordon:

    Worst Case: Jan Vesely

    Best Case: Skinny Blake Griffin with defense?

    Most likely: Thomas Robinson with defense

     

     

     

    Noah Vonleh:

    Worst Case: Dante Cunningham

    Best Case: Athletic Kevin Love (!)

    Most Likely: Tristan Thompson, but more banging

     

     

     

    Andrew Wiggins:

    Worst Case: Nic Batum

    Best Case: Better Paul George

    Most Likely: Paul George

     

     

     

    Dante Exum:

    Worst Case: Big Johnny Flynn

    Best Case: Russell Westbrook

    Most Likely: Tyreke Evans

     

     

     

    Marcus Smart:

    Worst Case: Kyle Lowry

    Best Case: Gary Payton

    Most Likely: Kyle Lowry

     

     

     

    Joel Embiid:

    Worst Case: Derrick Favors

    Best Case: Hakeem

    Most Likely: Anthony Davis

     

     

     

    Jabari Parker:

    Worst Case: Jeff Green

    Best Case: Paul Pierce

    Most Likely: Rudy Gay (in a slightly down year)

     

    Didn’t bother doing Randle bc I thought you had it down pat.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #869546
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     I don’t like the Gordon comparisons, none of them take into account his very good defense. I like Faried, but with great D.

    I like the Randle comps though, spot on.

      Mine go a lil summin like this:

    Aaron Gordon:

    Worst Case: Jan Vesely

    Best Case: Skinny Blake Griffin with defense?

    Most likely: Thomas Robinson with defense

     

     

     

    Noah Vonleh:

    Worst Case: Dante Cunningham

    Best Case: Athletic Kevin Love (!)

    Most Likely: Tristan Thompson, but more banging

     

     

     

    Andrew Wiggins:

    Worst Case: Nic Batum

    Best Case: Better Paul George

    Most Likely: Paul George

     

     

     

    Dante Exum:

    Worst Case: Big Johnny Flynn

    Best Case: Russell Westbrook

    Most Likely: Tyreke Evans

     

     

     

    Marcus Smart:

    Worst Case: Kyle Lowry

    Best Case: Gary Payton

    Most Likely: Kyle Lowry

     

     

     

    Joel Embiid:

    Worst Case: Derrick Favors

    Best Case: Hakeem

    Most Likely: Anthony Davis

     

     

     

    Jabari Parker:

    Worst Case: Jeff Green

    Best Case: Paul Pierce

    Most Likely: Rudy Gay (in a slightly down year)

     

    Didn’t bother doing Randle bc I thought you had it down pat.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #869657
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     Because all the people you compare him too other than Kenneth faried are substantially better shooters than Aaron Gordon who is definitely in a slump right now, but brings very little offensively compared with the comparisons you have for him. 

    Also I get the Andrew wiggins with Andre iguodala  comparison but iguodala is a much better passer and ball handler than wiggins and is capable of being the floors general on teams that he plays on and I don’t see wiggins doing that in the future

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  • #869550
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     Because all the people you compare him too other than Kenneth faried are substantially better shooters than Aaron Gordon who is definitely in a slump right now, but brings very little offensively compared with the comparisons you have for him. 

    Also I get the Andrew wiggins with Andre iguodala  comparison but iguodala is a much better passer and ball handler than wiggins and is capable of being the floors general on teams that he plays on and I don’t see wiggins doing that in the future

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  • #869663
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    Lotto Stud
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     Throw Andrew Wiggins/Gerald Green somewhere in the mix.

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    Lotto Stud
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     Throw Andrew Wiggins/Gerald Green somewhere in the mix.

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  • #869716
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    I’ll try to put comps for the ones im more familiar with since i havent been able to catch all the games i would have wanted this season.i’ll put a middle ground over a most likely because there are some i believe that may even surpass their best case

     1. Aaron Gordon:

    • Worst Case: Stromile Swift
    • Best Case: Kenyon Martin
    • Middle Ground: Tyrus Thomas(late bull/early bobcat)

    2. Marcus Smart

    • Worst Case: Dajuan Wagner
    • Best Case: Deron Williams
    • Middle Ground: Rodney Stuckey

    3. Dante Exum

    • Worst Case: Shandon Anderson
    • Best Case: Gary Payton
    • Middle Ground: Tyreke Evans

    4. Julius Randle:

    • Worst Case: Kenneth Faried
    • Best Case: Amare Stoudamire(phoenix days)
    • Middle Ground: Paul Milsap

    5. Jabari Parker:

    • Worst Case: Glen Robinson
    • Best Case: Grant Hill(detroit days)
    • Middle Ground: Antawn Jamison(early gsw days)

    6. Andrew Wiggins:

    • Worst Case: Trevor Arriza
    • Best Case: George Gervin
    • Middle Ground: Shawn Marion

    7. Joel Embiid:

    • Worst Case: Darko Milicic
    • Best Case: Hakeem Olajuwan
    • Middle Ground: Tyson Chandler

     

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  • #869610
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    benny15
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    I’ll try to put comps for the ones im more familiar with since i havent been able to catch all the games i would have wanted this season.i’ll put a middle ground over a most likely because there are some i believe that may even surpass their best case

     1. Aaron Gordon:

    • Worst Case: Stromile Swift
    • Best Case: Kenyon Martin
    • Middle Ground: Tyrus Thomas(late bull/early bobcat)

    2. Marcus Smart

    • Worst Case: Dajuan Wagner
    • Best Case: Deron Williams
    • Middle Ground: Rodney Stuckey

    3. Dante Exum

    • Worst Case: Shandon Anderson
    • Best Case: Gary Payton
    • Middle Ground: Tyreke Evans

    4. Julius Randle:

    • Worst Case: Kenneth Faried
    • Best Case: Amare Stoudamire(phoenix days)
    • Middle Ground: Paul Milsap

    5. Jabari Parker:

    • Worst Case: Glen Robinson
    • Best Case: Grant Hill(detroit days)
    • Middle Ground: Antawn Jamison(early gsw days)

    6. Andrew Wiggins:

    • Worst Case: Trevor Arriza
    • Best Case: George Gervin
    • Middle Ground: Shawn Marion

    7. Joel Embiid:

    • Worst Case: Darko Milicic
    • Best Case: Hakeem Olajuwan
    • Middle Ground: Tyson Chandler

     

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    • #869670
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      King Calucha
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       I love what you did here. Jabari Parker as Antawn Jamison from early GSW days… just wow! All of them are down-to-earth comparisons. 

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    • #869776
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      King Calucha
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       I love what you did here. Jabari Parker as Antawn Jamison from early GSW days… just wow! All of them are down-to-earth comparisons. 

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    • #869955
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      Jr. ROXAS
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       Those were pretty accurate comparisons of Aaron Gordon. Also love the worst case comparison of Darko and the Big Dog one for Parker. Nice.

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    • #870060
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      Jr. ROXAS
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       Those were pretty accurate comparisons of Aaron Gordon. Also love the worst case comparison of Darko and the Big Dog one for Parker. Nice.

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  • #869722
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    Memphisboy14
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    I don’t think that Andrew Wiggins will be a bad player by anymeans even if he hasn’t exactly set the world on fire in this year. I think that the Tracy McGrady and LeBron James comparisons were waaaay too much to give him so soon. I do think that best case scenario he could be Tracy McGrady and this is absolute best case scenario. I think that the player that Wiggins will most likely become is Andre Igoudola. Nothing wrong with being a very good player but right now I think it’s too soon to say he will be a superstar. 

     

     

     

     

      

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  • #869616
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    I don’t think that Andrew Wiggins will be a bad player by anymeans even if he hasn’t exactly set the world on fire in this year. I think that the Tracy McGrady and LeBron James comparisons were waaaay too much to give him so soon. I do think that best case scenario he could be Tracy McGrady and this is absolute best case scenario. I think that the player that Wiggins will most likely become is Andre Igoudola. Nothing wrong with being a very good player but right now I think it’s too soon to say he will be a superstar. 

     

     

     

     

      

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  • #869644
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    kazam
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    I dont know if anyone will agree with me, but I feel as though Julius Randle is almost a Terrance Jones clone. To me, they both use their bodies to bully opponents. Yes Randle isnt nearly as passive as Jones was during his time at Kentucky but I do see some similarities. 

     

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    • #869656
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      lalaila
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      yes I see it too.. and T-Jones looks like one of the biggest steals of that draft so far..he is around 15/8 since he is getting big minutes and that’s on a team who might be called contenders..

      plus Julius still is more athletic more agressive, and looks to be stronger in the future

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    • #869762
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      yes I see it too.. and T-Jones looks like one of the biggest steals of that draft so far..he is around 15/8 since he is getting big minutes and that’s on a team who might be called contenders..

      plus Julius still is more athletic more agressive, and looks to be stronger in the future

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  • #869750
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    kazam
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    I dont know if anyone will agree with me, but I feel as though Julius Randle is almost a Terrance Jones clone. To me, they both use their bodies to bully opponents. Yes Randle isnt nearly as passive as Jones was during his time at Kentucky but I do see some similarities. 

     

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  • #869719
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    I truly appreciate the feedback everyone!

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  • #869825
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    I truly appreciate the feedback everyone!

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  • #869729
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     Aaron Gordon

    • Worst case: James Johnson
    • Best case: Kwahi Leonard
    • Middle ground: Marvin Williams

    Noah Vonleh

    • Worst case: Ed Davis
    • Best case: LaMarcus Aldridge
    • Middle ground: Antonio Davis

    Marcus Smart

    • Worst case: Bob Sura
    • Best case: Andre Miller
    • Middle ground: Alvin Robertson

    Julius Randle

    • Worst case: Thomas Robinson
    • Best case: Larry Johnson
    • Middle ground: Tyrone Hill

    Jabari Parker

    • Worst case: Bonzi Wells
    • Best case: Carmelo Anthony
    • Middle ground: Jamal Mashburn

    Andrew Wiggins

    • Worst case: Alec Burks
    • Best case: Paul George
    • Middle ground: Eddie Jones

    Joel Embiid

    • Worst case: Larry Sanders
    • Best case: Hakeem Olajuwon
    • Middle ground: Robert Parish

    I’ve never seen Exum play a full game, so I replaced him with…

    Gary Harris

    • Worst case: James Anderson
    • Best Case: Mitch Richmond
    • Most likely: Kerry Kittles (pre-injury)

     

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    • #870474
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      joecheck88
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       May be going back a little too far for some of the people on here. Lol. 

      Wiggins needs to work on his ball handling to compare to those guys I think. 

      Randle  would have to seriously get a lot better on defense to be Tyrone Hill. 

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    • #870368
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       May be going back a little too far for some of the people on here. Lol. 

      Wiggins needs to work on his ball handling to compare to those guys I think. 

      Randle  would have to seriously get a lot better on defense to be Tyrone Hill. 

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      • #870500
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        JoeWolf1

        Wiggins will work on his ball handling, he’s freaking 19, lol 

        You’re right, Hill was probably a better defender than Randle ever will be, but I was trying to go for a power forward who cleaned up on the glass.

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      • #870394
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        Wiggins will work on his ball handling, he’s freaking 19, lol 

        You’re right, Hill was probably a better defender than Randle ever will be, but I was trying to go for a power forward who cleaned up on the glass.

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        • #870459
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          joecheck88
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           Lol. I was probably nitpicking. Nothing wrong with your comparisons. I get the Wiggins comparisons you made. Same with Randle. He has the ability to become a good defender. They’re hard to compare to anyone as their skills are so diverse. It’s all just if because they have a long way to go. 

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        • #870564
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          joecheck88
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           Lol. I was probably nitpicking. Nothing wrong with your comparisons. I get the Wiggins comparisons you made. Same with Randle. He has the ability to become a good defender. They’re hard to compare to anyone as their skills are so diverse. It’s all just if because they have a long way to go. 

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      Tdvols123
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       Agree pretty much with everything, except I fully question how you think Smart’s best case scenario is Andre Miller. I see one similarity off the top of my head and they are both strong.

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    • #870525
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       Agree pretty much with everything, except I fully question how you think Smart’s best case scenario is Andre Miller. I see one similarity off the top of my head and they are both strong.

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    JoeWolf1

     Aaron Gordon

    • Worst case: James Johnson
    • Best case: Kwahi Leonard
    • Middle ground: Marvin Williams

    Noah Vonleh

    • Worst case: Ed Davis
    • Best case: LaMarcus Aldridge
    • Middle ground: Antonio Davis

    Marcus Smart

    • Worst case: Bob Sura
    • Best case: Andre Miller
    • Middle ground: Alvin Robertson

    Julius Randle

    • Worst case: Thomas Robinson
    • Best case: Larry Johnson
    • Middle ground: Tyrone Hill

    Jabari Parker

    • Worst case: Bonzi Wells
    • Best case: Carmelo Anthony
    • Middle ground: Jamal Mashburn

    Andrew Wiggins

    • Worst case: Alec Burks
    • Best case: Paul George
    • Middle ground: Eddie Jones

    Joel Embiid

    • Worst case: Larry Sanders
    • Best case: Hakeem Olajuwon
    • Middle ground: Robert Parish

    I’ve never seen Exum play a full game, so I replaced him with…

    Gary Harris

    • Worst case: James Anderson
    • Best Case: Mitch Richmond
    • Most likely: Kerry Kittles (pre-injury)

     

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    The Scare Crow Rises
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    David West F Xavier….

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    The Scare Crow Rises
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    David West F Xavier….

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  • #870000
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     I like quite a few of these but for me:

    Wiggins: 

    Best – Dominique Wilinks

    Worst – Gerald Green

    Likely – Rudy Gay with a conscience/shot selection

     

    Also I’ve no idea how you see any Evan Turner in Exum, completely different body type and Exum’s first step is elite, whee as it’s a significant weakness of ET’s. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    • #870472
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      joecheck88
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       Think these are perfect other than I am not sure his floor is Gerald Green. Think at worst he is better than Green even through the resurgence as Wiggins will srive from time to time and has a nice spin move. Not sure who though so it works. You have to compare Wiggins to a guy like Wilkins. Scorer rebounder and defender. 

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    • #870366
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      joecheck88
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       Think these are perfect other than I am not sure his floor is Gerald Green. Think at worst he is better than Green even through the resurgence as Wiggins will srive from time to time and has a nice spin move. Not sure who though so it works. You have to compare Wiggins to a guy like Wilkins. Scorer rebounder and defender. 

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  • #870107
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     I like quite a few of these but for me:

    Wiggins: 

    Best – Dominique Wilinks

    Worst – Gerald Green

    Likely – Rudy Gay with a conscience/shot selection

     

    Also I’ve no idea how you see any Evan Turner in Exum, completely different body type and Exum’s first step is elite, whee as it’s a significant weakness of ET’s. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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