[EspressoParticipant]

Very early in the season in a thread about ‘Ben Simmons Comparison’, I stated, "Antetokoumpo?". Obviously it got negged, however, the comparason is being used by all sorts of sources.

So my questions are:

1- Do you think Ben would thrive in a role like the one Antetokoumpo took later on the season for the Bucks as a full time PG? Would he have further success in a role like the old Giannis at SF (my original comparison)? Or is he better off in a Blake Griffin role?

2- Who would you take going forward, Ben or Giannis?

 

 

[MopgrassParticipant]

 Alphabet is longer, faster, jumps higher, and had a better shot at the same age (though it hasn’t improved much). Still, I’m waiting for him to become a star, not just a tantalizing talent. I feel like Simmons is a lot more skilled, in control of his body, and predisposed to being the alpha. I fully expect him to become a star and fix his shot. 

[MopgrassParticipant]

 Alphabet is longer, faster, jumps higher, and had a better shot at the same age (though it hasn’t improved much). Still, I’m waiting for him to become a star, not just a tantalizing talent. I feel like Simmons is a lot more skilled, in control of his body, and predisposed to being the alpha. I fully expect him to become a star and fix his shot. 

[Hype Machine]

Both guys are a jump shot away from an MVP award so its a tough choice.

But it has to be Simmons.

 

[Hype Machine]

Both guys are a jump shot away from an MVP award so its a tough choice.

But it has to be Simmons.

 

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

i think he should be used how coach k used Jabari at duke. Just feature him in the high post where he can drive shoot or kick. 

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

i think he should be used how coach k used Jabari at duke. Just feature him in the high post where he can drive shoot or kick. 

[circumlocution75Participant]

 will really come to the fore……. In 5 years when Simmons hits his prime….. I think he has a chance to be a Super-Star…….. he reminds me of a more physical Magic Johnson……..

I also Luv Alpha-bet……. Milwaukee, Minnesota & even Philly have Exciting young core players who could really develop into Stars in 5 years….. just like Curry, Harden, Westbrook, Irving, Kawhi, Uni-Brow & others have as they grew into experienced Pro’s……

It remains to be seen if the Greek can be a Point-Forward….. So far it looks like there is Not much he can’t do….. but I Luv Both kids going forward…….

 

 

[circumlocution75Participant]

 will really come to the fore……. In 5 years when Simmons hits his prime….. I think he has a chance to be a Super-Star…….. he reminds me of a more physical Magic Johnson……..

I also Luv Alpha-bet……. Milwaukee, Minnesota & even Philly have Exciting young core players who could really develop into Stars in 5 years….. just like Curry, Harden, Westbrook, Irving, Kawhi, Uni-Brow & others have as they grew into experienced Pro’s……

It remains to be seen if the Greek can be a Point-Forward….. So far it looks like there is Not much he can’t do….. but I Luv Both kids going forward…….

 

 

[XavierAllTheWayParticipant]

 My opinion is Simmons reminds me of Blake griffin.  In college, both guys 1. Have no jump shot 2.  Great rebounder 3. Pretty good ball handler/facilitator 4. Good inside game.

i am really hoping Celtics land top overall pick to draft him.  Celtics need some lottery luck….its been long overdue

 

[XavierAllTheWayParticipant]

 My opinion is Simmons reminds me of Blake griffin.  In college, both guys 1. Have no jump shot 2.  Great rebounder 3. Pretty good ball handler/facilitator 4. Good inside game.

i am really hoping Celtics land top overall pick to draft him.  Celtics need some lottery luck….its been long overdue

 

[jefriederParticipant]

I think blake griffin is a better comparison of how Simmons will be used. I don’t think he will be bringing the ball up that often, but I do think on most plays ben will get the ball on the high post and then be relied as a playmaker from there. The way playmaking big guys such as Blake, Marc Gasol, and Jokim Noah are used should be where which ever team drafts Simmons should start. 

I think Simmons will avg around 5 assists a game, but mostly from the high post. Letting him bring the ball up will take away his best scoring options of cutting to the basket and posting up. He has the ball handling to drive the ball, but he can do that from the high post too. It’ll be interesting to see how he’s used next year. I cant wait.

Personally I’d take Giannis over Simmons just because how exciting he is. He can run the lenght of the court in 5 steps and he looks to dunk everything. The bucks are lucky to have such an exciting talent

 

  

 

[jefriederParticipant]

I think blake griffin is a better comparison of how Simmons will be used. I don’t think he will be bringing the ball up that often, but I do think on most plays ben will get the ball on the high post and then be relied as a playmaker from there. The way playmaking big guys such as Blake, Marc Gasol, and Jokim Noah are used should be where which ever team drafts Simmons should start. 

I think Simmons will avg around 5 assists a game, but mostly from the high post. Letting him bring the ball up will take away his best scoring options of cutting to the basket and posting up. He has the ball handling to drive the ball, but he can do that from the high post too. It’ll be interesting to see how he’s used next year. I cant wait.

Personally I’d take Giannis over Simmons just because how exciting he is. He can run the lenght of the court in 5 steps and he looks to dunk everything. The bucks are lucky to have such an exciting talent

 

  

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 GA’s court vision isn’t on Simmons level but he is longer and more athletic. His defensive potential definitely rates as higher than simmons. His jump shot was better than Simmons at the same age but he hasn’t shown a whole lot of improvement in that regard as of yet. I’ll hold off judgement as to which player  I’d prefer to have until I actually see Simmons play in the NBA and get a feel for how his game will translate.

Right now I see Simmons being more effective if used in a way similar to Blake Griffin or Lamar Odom on the Lakers. When he gets defensive rebounds he will be able to push the ball and lead the break but I don’t see him playing pg full-time. I think you put him at the elbow or mid-post region and allow him to facilitate or post him up if they go with a smaller defender (even though i believe his post game could still use some work) If he can beat his man or draw a double team he knows how to find the open man. I don’t like him isolating too high out on the floor because it allows the defense to just back way off and neutralizes his quickness advantage. 

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 GA’s court vision isn’t on Simmons level but he is longer and more athletic. His defensive potential definitely rates as higher than simmons. His jump shot was better than Simmons at the same age but he hasn’t shown a whole lot of improvement in that regard as of yet. I’ll hold off judgement as to which player  I’d prefer to have until I actually see Simmons play in the NBA and get a feel for how his game will translate.

Right now I see Simmons being more effective if used in a way similar to Blake Griffin or Lamar Odom on the Lakers. When he gets defensive rebounds he will be able to push the ball and lead the break but I don’t see him playing pg full-time. I think you put him at the elbow or mid-post region and allow him to facilitate or post him up if they go with a smaller defender (even though i believe his post game could still use some work) If he can beat his man or draw a double team he knows how to find the open man. I don’t like him isolating too high out on the floor because it allows the defense to just back way off and neutralizes his quickness advantage. 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 He is not the athlete that Blake Griffin is.  Don’t think he has the strength either.

Just use him like Boris Diaw.  

So, that would basically be a point-center.

Either at the 4 or the 5 he needs a big next to him who can SHOOT.

Use him either as a point forward or a point center.  

Then get guys around him that he can work with.

Or, use him like Draymond Green.  

A taller, slightly more athletic, better ball handling Draymond Green would be a BEAST!

Now, a Draymond Green-Boris Diaw hybrid would be a really, really awesome player.  Basically what LeBron is.  

Now, Green is basically a prototype 4.  BUT, he can play center.  And he can pass and you can run the offense through him.

Diaw isn’t really a 3, or a 4, or a 5 but he has played all those positions, especially the past few seasons on the Spurs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 He is not the athlete that Blake Griffin is.  Don’t think he has the strength either.

Just use him like Boris Diaw.  

So, that would basically be a point-center.

Either at the 4 or the 5 he needs a big next to him who can SHOOT.

Use him either as a point forward or a point center.  

Then get guys around him that he can work with.

Or, use him like Draymond Green.  

A taller, slightly more athletic, better ball handling Draymond Green would be a BEAST!

Now, a Draymond Green-Boris Diaw hybrid would be a really, really awesome player.  Basically what LeBron is.  

Now, Green is basically a prototype 4.  BUT, he can play center.  And he can pass and you can run the offense through him.

Diaw isn’t really a 3, or a 4, or a 5 but he has played all those positions, especially the past few seasons on the Spurs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[XavierAllTheWayParticipant]

 Wait, so pretty much people agreed with my posts comparing Simmons to griffin, but I get negative points…

[XavierAllTheWayParticipant]

 Wait, so pretty much people agreed with my posts comparing Simmons to griffin, but I get negative points…

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Reminds me of griffin in some ways. Definitely not as strong or athletic. Better court vision. I still think Lamar Odom is the best overall comp for Simmons.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Reminds me of griffin in some ways. Definitely not as strong or athletic. Better court vision. I still think Lamar Odom is the best overall comp for Simmons.

[McDunkin]

A mix of lamar and Diaw

[EspressoParticipant]

 You know, I also said in another thread that Diaw was a good comparison for him. Again, that was before anyone had said that in this Forum, and had never saw it elwhere, obviously i got negged

[EspressoParticipant]

 You know, I also said in another thread that Diaw was a good comparison for him. Again, that was before anyone had said that in this Forum, and had never saw it elwhere, obviously i got negged

[McDunkin]

A mix of lamar and Diaw

[Sam_HinkieParticipant]

 He actually does remind me of a young Boris Diaw. I think people forget how good Diaw was when he was young. He had similar athleticism — not suuupppper elite in terms of vertical, but really great body control, good speed, solid vert, greatch change of direction for his size, etc… Also more of a facilitator despite being 6’9 or 6’10. Also never really had a good jumper.

 

Obviously Odom is a pretty good comp too. He’s not the athlete that BG, isn’t as strong, but could play a similar roles in some way as a playmaker at high post. Think the other 2 are better comps tho

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch

 

 

 

 

[Sam_HinkieParticipant]

 He actually does remind me of a young Boris Diaw. I think people forget how good Diaw was when he was young. He had similar athleticism — not suuupppper elite in terms of vertical, but really great body control, good speed, solid vert, greatch change of direction for his size, etc… Also more of a facilitator despite being 6’9 or 6’10. Also never really had a good jumper.

 

Obviously Odom is a pretty good comp too. He’s not the athlete that BG, isn’t as strong, but could play a similar roles in some way as a playmaker at high post. Think the other 2 are better comps tho

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch

 

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

Very good question and I’ll admit that I’m a huge Giannis fan so I’ll try to stay neutral.

I’d say Simmons and Giannis when compared at respective draft times the edge clearly goes to Simmons. I know Giannis played in Europe so maybe didn’t have as much hype but many Euro guys have been drafted much higher than Giannis was.

At the moment Giannis is a proven and vastly improving NBA player whilst Smmons despite the hype has yet to be seen in the NBA so at the moment I’d say Giannis is better in that respect.

Going forward who will be the best in 5 or even more years time or who will contribute more to their team’s success becomes very hard to predict. Simmons may be a better scorer but I feel Giannis will have a better all round game. So I’ll stick with Giannis as being slightly better long term but both can hopefully be elite players.

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

Very good question and I’ll admit that I’m a huge Giannis fan so I’ll try to stay neutral.

I’d say Simmons and Giannis when compared at respective draft times the edge clearly goes to Simmons. I know Giannis played in Europe so maybe didn’t have as much hype but many Euro guys have been drafted much higher than Giannis was.

At the moment Giannis is a proven and vastly improving NBA player whilst Smmons despite the hype has yet to be seen in the NBA so at the moment I’d say Giannis is better in that respect.

Going forward who will be the best in 5 or even more years time or who will contribute more to their team’s success becomes very hard to predict. Simmons may be a better scorer but I feel Giannis will have a better all round game. So I’ll stick with Giannis as being slightly better long term but both can hopefully be elite players.

 

 

 

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