[negguaryParticipant]

 about to see what all the hypes about…25 minutes 

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 Same.. Him and Tone bout to Kill

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 The media will ride Simmons & talk him up as the greatest this & the greatest that….. & then after the ping pong balls drop….. In that 4 week window after the NBA Finals…… The pundits & talking heads….. in an effort to get ratings….. will capitalize on "Simmons Fatigue"….. & tear his game down…… Just like they did to Okafor last year…. But I can’t see any way he fails to go #1 overall…..

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 The media will ride Simmons & talk him up as the greatest this & the greatest that….. & then after the ping pong balls drop….. In that 4 week window after the NBA Finals…… The pundits & talking heads….. in an effort to get ratings….. will capitalize on "Simmons Fatigue"….. & tear his game down…… Just like they did to Okafor last year…. But I can’t see any way he fails to go #1 overall…..

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 Same.. Him and Tone bout to Kill

[negguaryParticipant]

 behind the back dribble pass like its a standard chest pass! 

[negguaryParticipant]

 behind the back dribble pass like its a standard chest pass! 

[negguaryParticipant]

 on one shot

[negguaryParticipant]

 on one shot

[holefillers1Participant]

 He is so much smarter than everyone on the court. Crazy to watch him out position guys for rebounds. It’s like if Lebron went to college.  Also Antonio Blakeney reminds me of James Harden.  Just something about the way he scores. 

[holefillers1Participant]

 He is so much smarter than everyone on the court. Crazy to watch him out position guys for rebounds. It’s like if Lebron went to college.  Also Antonio Blakeney reminds me of James Harden.  Just something about the way he scores. 

[JordanC20Participant]

 He just looks like a pro out there just like Jahlil Okafor did last year.

[JordanC20Participant]

 He just looks like a pro out there just like Jahlil Okafor did last year.

[circumlocution75Participant]

 The Top of the 2016 NBA Draft is going to be Loaded….

[circumlocution75Participant]

 The Top of the 2016 NBA Draft is going to be Loaded….

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The ESPN commentators were kissing major Simmons butt.

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The ESPN commentators were kissing major Simmons butt.

[bumbleb33Participant]

 yep the 2nd half of that game was unbearable to watch, especially cos Simmons was not even playing. They were just dick riding him for like 20 mins

[bumbleb33Participant]

 yep the 2nd half of that game was unbearable to watch, especially cos Simmons was not even playing. They were just dick riding him for like 20 mins

[markfitz14Participant]

 I would think that he would play more minutes. He should be playing at least 30 min being young and able to. He shouldn’t need to be saved for March. He’s 18 or 19 years old. I want to see monster games.

[markfitz14Participant]

 I would think that he would play more minutes. He should be playing at least 30 min being young and able to. He shouldn’t need to be saved for March. He’s 18 or 19 years old. I want to see monster games.

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 For what its worth, he was a non factor in the second half due to calf cramps.

First half was electric though.

 

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 For what its worth, he was a non factor in the second half due to calf cramps.

First half was electric though.

 

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

 He’s clearly talented but he doesn’t have blow by speed, not a great shooter, and is just taking advantage of his size. Yes he’s a really good passer especially for his size but I’m still not overly impressed. Top 3 pick yes, but don’t even think about putting him in the same breath as Lebron please. It was one game so I’m not going to make any overreaction statements and hope he is great. 

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

 He’s clearly talented but he doesn’t have blow by speed, not a great shooter, and is just taking advantage of his size. Yes he’s a really good passer especially for his size but I’m still not overly impressed. Top 3 pick yes, but don’t even think about putting him in the same breath as Lebron please. It was one game so I’m not going to make any overreaction statements and hope he is great. 

[bumbleb33Participant]

 He has a really quick first step for a 6’10 guy  and incredible top end speed as well. Go watch the nike hoop summit he was beating guards down the floor. I dont think there are many athletes at the NBA level that size with that kind of speed

[bumbleb33Participant]

 He has a really quick first step for a 6’10 guy  and incredible top end speed as well. Go watch the nike hoop summit he was beating guards down the floor. I dont think there are many athletes at the NBA level that size with that kind of speed

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 I respect your opinion…but I disagree with a couple of your points. And Ive watched a lot of Simmons. 

I’d say his blow by speed is way above average for 6’10, and his lateral movement enables him to defend Point Guards. If Lebron gets a 10 for athleticism and Melo gets an 8….Id give Simmons a 9.

He can’t ‘blow by’ PGs…..but he can go through and over them.

And he can easily ‘blow by’ any PFs and Cs. His dribbling ability is insane.

Sounds like you havent jumped on the hype train yet (Led by Bill Simmons).

I just read Bills tweet saying hes in Durant,Magic,Lebron class and comparisons to Odom are an insult. LO was great…but Magic is legendary and thats what I see.

I have to agree with him. When I watch Simmons all I see is someone who is playing on a whole other level. He will certainly win NPOY in my opinion.

Maybe others arent as quick to appoint the next GOAT as me…but I havent seen anyone like him since Magic. Truly a freak of nature and Id be shocked if he wasnt a future MVP.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I’d say Melo is a 7 and Simmons is an 8. Although I agree he has superstar potential and comparisons to Odom aren’t an insult but rather passive. 

[Memphisboy14Participant]

 Melo’s athleticism is weird. While I will agree he was never super fast or a high flyer. He had a great combination of power and quickness. His first step was great also.

[Memphisboy14Participant]

 Melo’s athleticism is weird. While I will agree he was never super fast or a high flyer. He had a great combination of power and quickness. His first step was great also.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I’d say Melo is a 7 and Simmons is an 8. Although I agree he has superstar potential and comparisons to Odom aren’t an insult but rather passive. 

[TripleDoubleScoutParticipant]

 Finally someone in the mainstream media who really knows basketball said it. I was negged all summer for saying the LO (a good player) comparisons were almost an insult. Iv’e been itching since for the LSU’s season to start so I can hear that cricket sound coming from his doubters on this site. Once again, Simmons is not only the best ball-handler on his team, he is one of the best ball-handlers in the country, as you will all see over the next several months. He will be a point forward in the NBA, and on the right team, he will be a PG on offense. He is a LOCK for the #1 pick.

[whiteflashParticipant]

 There is a zero percent chance he plays pg in the NBA. Literally none.

[whiteflashParticipant]

 There is a zero percent chance he plays pg in the NBA. Literally none.

[TripleDoubleScoutParticipant]

 Finally someone in the mainstream media who really knows basketball said it. I was negged all summer for saying the LO (a good player) comparisons were almost an insult. Iv’e been itching since for the LSU’s season to start so I can hear that cricket sound coming from his doubters on this site. Once again, Simmons is not only the best ball-handler on his team, he is one of the best ball-handlers in the country, as you will all see over the next several months. He will be a point forward in the NBA, and on the right team, he will be a PG on offense. He is a LOCK for the #1 pick.

[bumbleb33Participant]

 The thing is, even if he has Magic potential he needs to be drafted into a good organisation to reach his ceiling. He is not Kevin durant who is a scoring machine and can succeed anywhere.

[natevalParticipant]

 He’ll be the perfect fit for the Celtics. We have a PG of the future in Smart who can’t facilitate but plays incredible defense. Simmios would be in total control of the offense

[bumbleb33Participant]

 yeah celtics would be a good fit. they have a lot of decent players and a good coach, just no superstar yet. if he ends up at somewhere like the lakers under byron scott his career will be ruined like dangelo russell’s right now

[bumbleb33Participant]

 yeah celtics would be a good fit. they have a lot of decent players and a good coach, just no superstar yet. if he ends up at somewhere like the lakers under byron scott his career will be ruined like dangelo russell’s right now

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

on Marcus Smart.  I just see a guy that plays with energy but makes a lot of dumb plays and has some blatant weaknesses. Marcus Smart isn’t someone I’d say is  ‘piece’ for a championship.  He’s nothing special except for his defense.  He’s just a high energy defender.  If you’re gonna pencil him in as a starting "pg" for the Celtics…..the Celtics better have a lot more offense.  Isiah Thomas is far superior at the position right now.

I love the Celtics current situation with all the draft picks, I just think the guys they have right now are not strong enough to contend in four or five years when the other young teams join them. (Orlando, Milwaukee, Philly).

I think Boston would be best with Skal Labissiere.  Boston’s frontcourt is pretty weak.  They need some big men because guess what, Big Men gonna dominate the East soon.

 

  

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

on Marcus Smart.  I just see a guy that plays with energy but makes a lot of dumb plays and has some blatant weaknesses. Marcus Smart isn’t someone I’d say is  ‘piece’ for a championship.  He’s nothing special except for his defense.  He’s just a high energy defender.  If you’re gonna pencil him in as a starting "pg" for the Celtics…..the Celtics better have a lot more offense.  Isiah Thomas is far superior at the position right now.

I love the Celtics current situation with all the draft picks, I just think the guys they have right now are not strong enough to contend in four or five years when the other young teams join them. (Orlando, Milwaukee, Philly).

I think Boston would be best with Skal Labissiere.  Boston’s frontcourt is pretty weak.  They need some big men because guess what, Big Men gonna dominate the East soon.

 

  

[natevalParticipant]

 He’ll be the perfect fit for the Celtics. We have a PG of the future in Smart who can’t facilitate but plays incredible defense. Simmios would be in total control of the offense

[bumbleb33Participant]

 The thing is, even if he has Magic potential he needs to be drafted into a good organisation to reach his ceiling. He is not Kevin durant who is a scoring machine and can succeed anywhere.

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 I respect your opinion…but I disagree with a couple of your points. And Ive watched a lot of Simmons. 

I’d say his blow by speed is way above average for 6’10, and his lateral movement enables him to defend Point Guards. If Lebron gets a 10 for athleticism and Melo gets an 8….Id give Simmons a 9.

He can’t ‘blow by’ PGs…..but he can go through and over them.

And he can easily ‘blow by’ any PFs and Cs. His dribbling ability is insane.

Sounds like you havent jumped on the hype train yet (Led by Bill Simmons).

I just read Bills tweet saying hes in Durant,Magic,Lebron class and comparisons to Odom are an insult. LO was great…but Magic is legendary and thats what I see.

I have to agree with him. When I watch Simmons all I see is someone who is playing on a whole other level. He will certainly win NPOY in my opinion.

Maybe others arent as quick to appoint the next GOAT as me…but I havent seen anyone like him since Magic. Truly a freak of nature and Id be shocked if he wasnt a future MVP.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 I like how someone can say: I’m not impressed with him…top 3 pick yes…why is he a top-3 pick then? No I’m messin with ya 🙂 

I will say that because of the media driven ESPN First take world we live in…its about overreacting about everything. The kid can be magnificent one night and he’s the next Magic…have an off night and he’s a bust waiting to happen.

I have no idea how good he’ll be…but his skill set is rare. He’s 18 or 19 yrs old and he’s incredibly advanced. Like the Okafor treatment, a lot of people will assume that means he’s closer to his proerbial ceiling…which is idiotic because he can absolutely get better at things too. 

 

 

 

 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 I like how someone can say: I’m not impressed with him…top 3 pick yes…why is he a top-3 pick then? No I’m messin with ya 🙂 

I will say that because of the media driven ESPN First take world we live in…its about overreacting about everything. The kid can be magnificent one night and he’s the next Magic…have an off night and he’s a bust waiting to happen.

I have no idea how good he’ll be…but his skill set is rare. He’s 18 or 19 yrs old and he’s incredibly advanced. Like the Okafor treatment, a lot of people will assume that means he’s closer to his proerbial ceiling…which is idiotic because he can absolutely get better at things too. 

 

 

 

 

 

[negguaryParticipant]

being honest haven’t seen much of simmons, but from what I saw the other night the thing that separates him is the fact that he’s 6’10 with blow by speed. Mind you this is coming from a guy who is higher on Jaylen Brown and Brandon Ingram, but after the other night I have more evaluating to do.

[negguaryParticipant]

being honest haven’t seen much of simmons, but from what I saw the other night the thing that separates him is the fact that he’s 6’10 with blow by speed. Mind you this is coming from a guy who is higher on Jaylen Brown and Brandon Ingram, but after the other night I have more evaluating to do.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 He has amazing basketball IQ. Could become one of the smartest players in the NBA. Seems to always make the right play.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 He has amazing basketball IQ. Could become one of the smartest players in the NBA. Seems to always make the right play.

[tuck243Participant]

They played teams that wasn’t D1 college level talent.   I think Ben’s athleticism is better than people give him credit for, but what we’ve seen so far was versus inferior athletes.  

I personally think he’s a mixture of Grant Hill and LO (at 19).   He has Grant’s crossover and vision.   I think he has LO’s length and talent.  He’s might not be as explosive as Grant, but he’s not far off.   

The issue I have with him is that he can’t really shoot and has trouble finishing.   Grant was able to add a midrange shot to his game, but I don’t know if Ben is able to do that.  He’s lacking a lot offensively and I think the only reason he get’s Magic comparisons (outside of the vison) is because Magic wasn’t a great shooter either.   

Let’s wait until they play better teams.   

 

 

  

[tuck243Participant]

They played teams that wasn’t D1 college level talent.   I think Ben’s athleticism is better than people give him credit for, but what we’ve seen so far was versus inferior athletes.  

I personally think he’s a mixture of Grant Hill and LO (at 19).   He has Grant’s crossover and vision.   I think he has LO’s length and talent.  He’s might not be as explosive as Grant, but he’s not far off.   

The issue I have with him is that he can’t really shoot and has trouble finishing.   Grant was able to add a midrange shot to his game, but I don’t know if Ben is able to do that.  He’s lacking a lot offensively and I think the only reason he get’s Magic comparisons (outside of the vison) is because Magic wasn’t a great shooter either.   

Let’s wait until they play better teams.   

 

 

  

[FrankStallone]

 Blake Griffin.

But that doesn’t make him a lock for #1. Ingram is a better scorer and defender, with higher upside as a scorer and defender, being more than a year younger.

Ingram looks better than Wiggins ever did. And way way longer, with a better 3.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[FrankStallone]

 Blake Griffin.

But that doesn’t make him a lock for #1. Ingram is a better scorer and defender, with higher upside as a scorer and defender, being more than a year younger.

Ingram looks better than Wiggins ever did. And way way longer, with a better 3.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[King CaluchaParticipant]

I know all-time greats are usually untouchable in this site, but I strongly believe this guys is all-time top 10 material. He doesn’t need to become a great shooter. He just needs to be consistently good on defense. He could have an impact similar to Lebron’s.

[King CaluchaParticipant]

I know all-time greats are usually untouchable in this site, but I strongly believe this guys is all-time top 10 material. He doesn’t need to become a great shooter. He just needs to be consistently good on defense. He could have an impact similar to Lebron’s.

[bumbleb33Participant]

 ok now this one’s an exaggeration. He was always considered a POOR MAN’S Lebron. I don’t know what happened in the offseason that everyone (especially ESPN) is now saying he is a lebron/kd calibre player. He is an inferior player in almost every aspect. Athleticism is nowhere close, Lebron is probably the best athlete of all time. Ben is also a bit of a tweener with length that would struggle to defend post players/protect the rim. he is OK laterally for his size but he also lacks elite quickness in that regard to contain opposing wings. 

The opinion of him as a prospect is actually very split among scouts and NBA personnel from what I have read. There is a reason Scout.com and draftexpress both have Skal ahead 

 

 

[bumbleb33Participant]

 ok now this one’s an exaggeration. He was always considered a POOR MAN’S Lebron. I don’t know what happened in the offseason that everyone (especially ESPN) is now saying he is a lebron/kd calibre player. He is an inferior player in almost every aspect. Athleticism is nowhere close, Lebron is probably the best athlete of all time. Ben is also a bit of a tweener with length that would struggle to defend post players/protect the rim. he is OK laterally for his size but he also lacks elite quickness in that regard to contain opposing wings. 

The opinion of him as a prospect is actually very split among scouts and NBA personnel from what I have read. There is a reason Scout.com and draftexpress both have Skal ahead 

 

 

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 A top 10 all timer comes along around twice a decade.

Im going with Simmons so far as the best prospect in the 2010’s.

 

 

 

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 A top 10 all timer comes along around twice a decade.

Im going with Simmons so far as the best prospect in the 2010’s.

 

 

 

[bumbleb33Participant]

 I don’t think he will ever exceed Anthony Davis as a prospect. heck the guys at scout.com have AD,wiggins,jabari,KAT,okafor all as better prospects than Simmons

[bumbleb33Participant]

 I don’t think he will ever exceed Anthony Davis as a prospect. heck the guys at scout.com have AD,wiggins,jabari,KAT,okafor all as better prospects than Simmons

[King CaluchaParticipant]

This is an opinion not based on facts. It’s just a feeling…

So… no need to make it a discussion since nobody really knows at the moment. But maybe in 20 years I’ll look this thread up and say: I knew it! If it doesn’t happen it’s not a big deal lol

[King CaluchaParticipant]

This is an opinion not based on facts. It’s just a feeling…

So… no need to make it a discussion since nobody really knows at the moment. But maybe in 20 years I’ll look this thread up and say: I knew it! If it doesn’t happen it’s not a big deal lol

[FrankStallone]

 Simmons has all time top 10 potential, and so does Brandon Ingram at this point.

They both have physical tools, athleticism, and skill sets that give them unlimited potential.

Guys like Wiggins and Jabari "Stump" Parker never had these physical tools, and neither has a 3 point shot to make up for it. If Anthony Davis could play small forward he’d be in the conversation, but he’s a soft, weak power forward. Ingram already has more length, and similar athleticism as Davis, but he plays SF, has a great 3 point shot, and has more quickness than Davis for locking down small forwards.

Ingram actually has more potential than Simmons.

 

 

 

[FrankStallone]

 Simmons has all time top 10 potential, and so does Brandon Ingram at this point.

They both have physical tools, athleticism, and skill sets that give them unlimited potential.

Guys like Wiggins and Jabari "Stump" Parker never had these physical tools, and neither has a 3 point shot to make up for it. If Anthony Davis could play small forward he’d be in the conversation, but he’s a soft, weak power forward. Ingram already has more length, and similar athleticism as Davis, but he plays SF, has a great 3 point shot, and has more quickness than Davis for locking down small forwards.

Ingram actually has more potential than Simmons.

 

 

 

[bumbleb33Participant]

 What the heck are you on about? Neither of them have all time top 10 potential.

"Wiggins never had these physical tools?"

Wiggins was considered the most athletically gifted wing player since Lebron. 44 inch vertical, elite first step, explosive first jump AND second jump. He has way more athleticism than Ingram. Ingram dosent even possess elite lateral quickness, he wont be able to guard elite wings at the NBA level. If ingram was actually more athletic than wiggins he would be the no.1 pick easily.

Btw wiggins and jabari both shot the 3 at around 35-36% in college so stop spouting nonsense about them not having a 3pt shot, not everyone is steph curry. Wiggins is already serviceable from 3 in the NBA in his second year and jabari, we will wait and see. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[FrankStallone]

 Wiggins was only 6’8" with a 6’11-7" wingspan, and even skinnier than Ingram. Ingram is like 6’10 and still growing, and already up to 215 ish.

And we both know that Ingram is a better shooter than Wiggins is now, even though Ingram has played two college games and Wiggins played a year of college and is in his second NBA season.

It took Wiggins 3/4ths of a college season before he took over the occassional college game.

Here’s the thing about prospects: If you make up your mind by their Jr year of high school, you’re going to whiff on spotting the later blooming all time great prospects.

Jabari stopped growing when he was like 16, and his standing reach peaked at about 8’8", or roughly Ingram’s elbow.

 

 

 

[FrankStallone]

 Wiggins was only 6’8" with a 6’11-7" wingspan, and even skinnier than Ingram. Ingram is like 6’10 and still growing, and already up to 215 ish.

And we both know that Ingram is a better shooter than Wiggins is now, even though Ingram has played two college games and Wiggins played a year of college and is in his second NBA season.

It took Wiggins 3/4ths of a college season before he took over the occassional college game.

Here’s the thing about prospects: If you make up your mind by their Jr year of high school, you’re going to whiff on spotting the later blooming all time great prospects.

Jabari stopped growing when he was like 16, and his standing reach peaked at about 8’8", or roughly Ingram’s elbow.

 

 

 

[bumbleb33Participant]

 What the heck are you on about? Neither of them have all time top 10 potential.

"Wiggins never had these physical tools?"

Wiggins was considered the most athletically gifted wing player since Lebron. 44 inch vertical, elite first step, explosive first jump AND second jump. He has way more athleticism than Ingram. Ingram dosent even possess elite lateral quickness, he wont be able to guard elite wings at the NBA level. If ingram was actually more athletic than wiggins he would be the no.1 pick easily.

Btw wiggins and jabari both shot the 3 at around 35-36% in college so stop spouting nonsense about them not having a 3pt shot, not everyone is steph curry. Wiggins is already serviceable from 3 in the NBA in his second year and jabari, we will wait and see. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[r377Participant]

If Simmons is as good as advertised and the Pelicans win the draft a Davis / Simmons front court would be impressive…

[r377Participant]

If Simmons is as good as advertised and the Pelicans win the draft a Davis / Simmons front court would be impressive…

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