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    MattHoops
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     How good could he be?  Could he be a starter in this league?  An all-star?  Or a rotation guy?  What kind of stats can he achieve?  

    I do not think he will ever be an All-Star, but I do believe he could become a starter in this league..  

     

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  • #952866
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    I think he can be a boarderline All-Star type player. Maybe make 1 or 2 teams. To achieve his ceiling he’ll need to become a less one-dimensional and tighten some things up with his handle.

    I could see him having a shooter’s ceiling much like Kevin Martin did in his prime.

    20-23 ppg 4-5 rpg 2 apg on a 40% clip from downtown.

    He’s not as NBA ready as I thought he would be initially, but he’s still only 21. This will be a big year for him, especially with Stauskas nipping at his heels.

     

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  • #953005
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    I think he can be a boarderline All-Star type player. Maybe make 1 or 2 teams. To achieve his ceiling he’ll need to become a less one-dimensional and tighten some things up with his handle.

    I could see him having a shooter’s ceiling much like Kevin Martin did in his prime.

    20-23 ppg 4-5 rpg 2 apg on a 40% clip from downtown.

    He’s not as NBA ready as I thought he would be initially, but he’s still only 21. This will be a big year for him, especially with Stauskas nipping at his heels.

     

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  • #952876
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    TheArtistPaysthePrice
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     He has the assets, as in quickness and athleticism to be a great 3 and D player. I really don’t see him as a guy that’s has the mentality to score in volume enough to be an All Star. He may have one season at most over 20 points per game. I know I am in the minority here but I think he won’t get much better than Avery Bradley.   

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  • #953015
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    TheArtistPaysthePrice
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     He has the assets, as in quickness and athleticism to be a great 3 and D player. I really don’t see him as a guy that’s has the mentality to score in volume enough to be an All Star. He may have one season at most over 20 points per game. I know I am in the minority here but I think he won’t get much better than Avery Bradley.   

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  • #952892
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     I think he could become an extremely skilled player if developed correctly.

    Coming into the league I thought he would likely develop into a 20-ppg guy with a hefty contract nobody wants to play with. Volume shooter low effiency decent marketability through highlight reel plays. Or just another shouldve couldve woulda type of guy that never had the drive to play the right way and focus on the small things.

    Although by drafting Stauskas the Kings may have forced his hand to play his position the right way and become an all around player. That is some good competition in practice. Two similar players the same age going hard and competing with eachother everyday for the same position while learning and working together for the same team goal. Thats what its all about.

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  • #953031
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    OhCanada-
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     I think he could become an extremely skilled player if developed correctly.

    Coming into the league I thought he would likely develop into a 20-ppg guy with a hefty contract nobody wants to play with. Volume shooter low effiency decent marketability through highlight reel plays. Or just another shouldve couldve woulda type of guy that never had the drive to play the right way and focus on the small things.

    Although by drafting Stauskas the Kings may have forced his hand to play his position the right way and become an all around player. That is some good competition in practice. Two similar players the same age going hard and competing with eachother everyday for the same position while learning and working together for the same team goal. Thats what its all about.

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  • #952894
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    TheArtistPaysthePrice
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     Wouldn’t it be great McLemore played for the Spurs. With what they did with Leonard and Green, he would be dynamite with the Spurs. Plus his personality would fit in good to, a quiet, humble kid that will work hard. 

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    • #952918
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       Over half of the league would be able to develop into successful NBA players if they developed in the spurs system. That isn’t saying much. I am a timberwolves fan and most of our young guys would become successful NBA players if they were to spend their early years in San Antonio. Levine and muhammed both work hard, but we don’t have the developmental coaches or the winning culture to help them develop, and those two go a long way in players exceeding expectations on the spurs.

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      • #952928
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        TheArtistPaysthePrice
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         I agree that most people would develop better on a winning team especially the on the Spurs. I would argue though that Chicago is very similar. Rose, Gibson, Noah, Butler, Snell have all exceeded there initial potential. Indy has a similar case as well, with PG, Hibbert, Granger, 

        I see mixed revues from OKC. Maynor, Lamb, PJ3 have not seemed to make any leaps. KD wa going to be KD, Rus, Ibaka and Harden made leaps but Harden showed OKC was holding him back. Honestly on another team Ibaka could be as good as Aldridge.

         

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      • #953067
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        TheArtistPaysthePrice
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         I agree that most people would develop better on a winning team especially the on the Spurs. I would argue though that Chicago is very similar. Rose, Gibson, Noah, Butler, Snell have all exceeded there initial potential. Indy has a similar case as well, with PG, Hibbert, Granger, 

        I see mixed revues from OKC. Maynor, Lamb, PJ3 have not seemed to make any leaps. KD wa going to be KD, Rus, Ibaka and Harden made leaps but Harden showed OKC was holding him back. Honestly on another team Ibaka could be as good as Aldridge.

         

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    • #953057
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      phila9012
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       Over half of the league would be able to develop into successful NBA players if they developed in the spurs system. That isn’t saying much. I am a timberwolves fan and most of our young guys would become successful NBA players if they were to spend their early years in San Antonio. Levine and muhammed both work hard, but we don’t have the developmental coaches or the winning culture to help them develop, and those two go a long way in players exceeding expectations on the spurs.

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  • #953033
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    TheArtistPaysthePrice
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     Wouldn’t it be great McLemore played for the Spurs. With what they did with Leonard and Green, he would be dynamite with the Spurs. Plus his personality would fit in good to, a quiet, humble kid that will work hard. 

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  • #952898
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     I hope Ben McLemore does not catch Daequan Cook symptoms. 

    Cook was a big time disappointment for me. Here was a guy who possessed the abilities as a player to take you off the dribble and score in HS & college. Once he “established” himself, all he did was run to the corner and spot up.

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    • #952908
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      TheArtistPaysthePrice
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      He had point guard handles when he arrived at Ohio State. He could have been James Harden or Eric Gordon lite. Thad doesn’t develop guys period. Conley is the only prospect rated higher amoung his class when he got compared to how he ranked when he left.

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    • #953047
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      TheArtistPaysthePrice
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      He had point guard handles when he arrived at Ohio State. He could have been James Harden or Eric Gordon lite. Thad doesn’t develop guys period. Conley is the only prospect rated higher amoung his class when he got compared to how he ranked when he left.

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  • #953037
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     I hope Ben McLemore does not catch Daequan Cook symptoms. 

    Cook was a big time disappointment for me. Here was a guy who possessed the abilities as a player to take you off the dribble and score in HS & college. Once he “established” himself, all he did was run to the corner and spot up.

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  • #952910
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    Jdean24
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    His handles definitely need too tighten up as Joewolf stated. He needs at this stage all his shots created for him as was the case at Kansas for the most part. I think with Thomas gone from the Kings backcourt and Collison taking over as a batter passer Bens number will improve. I believe he could be a multiple time all star with most elite shooting guards starting too age so there is a changing of the guard at that position.  I’m thinking in a few years of averages of 22ppg 5rbs 3asts and 1stl I believe he could become a better passer as well because he was not a selfish player.

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  • #953049
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    His handles definitely need too tighten up as Joewolf stated. He needs at this stage all his shots created for him as was the case at Kansas for the most part. I think with Thomas gone from the Kings backcourt and Collison taking over as a batter passer Bens number will improve. I believe he could be a multiple time all star with most elite shooting guards starting too age so there is a changing of the guard at that position.  I’m thinking in a few years of averages of 22ppg 5rbs 3asts and 1stl I believe he could become a better passer as well because he was not a selfish player.

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  • #952914
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     His skillset reminds me of Jason Richardson, though I do not think he is as good as Jason was at the same age. However, I think if he gets given an oppurtunity his ceiling could be similiar to what Jason did in Golden State and Charlotte, something to the tune of 22 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists.

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  • #953053
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     His skillset reminds me of Jason Richardson, though I do not think he is as good as Jason was at the same age. However, I think if he gets given an oppurtunity his ceiling could be similiar to what Jason did in Golden State and Charlotte, something to the tune of 22 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists.

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  • #952926
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    TheLastWord
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     Maybe Aaron Affalo? He needs to show significant improvement this year or the bust vultures will be circling around him.

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  • #953065
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    TheLastWord
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     Maybe Aaron Affalo? He needs to show significant improvement this year or the bust vultures will be circling around him.

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  • #952930
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    TheArtistPaysthePrice
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     I don’t believe you can develop enough ball handling skills in your 20s to use them against NBA wing defenders, especially when most 2’s are 3 and or D guys checking 3 and or D guys. No matter how much he tries he will never be able to run a PnR as a ball handler and score .8 points per shot.  

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  • #953068
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    TheArtistPaysthePrice
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     I don’t believe you can develop enough ball handling skills in your 20s to use them against NBA wing defenders, especially when most 2’s are 3 and or D guys checking 3 and or D guys. No matter how much he tries he will never be able to run a PnR as a ball handler and score .8 points per shot.  

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  • #952932
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    Taylor Gang Mike
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     Hes still young, Ben needs to just keep his confidence high

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  • #953070
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    Taylor Gang Mike
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     Hes still young, Ben needs to just keep his confidence high

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  • #952942
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    CU.LIONS
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    Here’s a better question. Who has the higher ceiling, McLemore or Staukas?

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    • #953100
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      What more can Stauskas do, besides learn to play the point full time?

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    • #952962
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      What more can Stauskas do, besides learn to play the point full time?

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      • #953104
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        Well Stauskas has actually already proven to be a better decision maker, much more unselfish, a committed passer, more reliable and consistant shooter, much better handles,better court vision and basketball iq. The intrigue behind Ben is he combines a ton of these shooting skills with great athletic skills.

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      • #952966
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        Well Stauskas has actually already proven to be a better decision maker, much more unselfish, a committed passer, more reliable and consistant shooter, much better handles,better court vision and basketball iq. The intrigue behind Ben is he combines a ton of these shooting skills with great athletic skills.

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        • #953110
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          So, now I ask again, what more can Stauskas do to elevate his game if he’s already complete?

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        • #952972
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          So, now I ask again, what more can Stauskas do to elevate his game if he’s already complete?

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        • #953124
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          TallmanNYC
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          Lets not call him a great athelete. Because he isn’t. Let’s call him what he is, a great jumper. It is intriguing though to have shooting with great hops. But the guy doesn’t have speed. He is just a jumper.  

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        • #952986
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          Lets not call him a great athelete. Because he isn’t. Let’s call him what he is, a great jumper. It is intriguing though to have shooting with great hops. But the guy doesn’t have speed. He is just a jumper.  

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  • #953080
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    CU.LIONS
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    Here’s a better question. Who has the higher ceiling, McLemore or Staukas?

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  • #953090
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    TallmanNYC
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     Starter. That is my ceiling for him. Third or fourth option on offense, plus guy on defense because of height and hops. He doesn’t have the handles to do anything with the ball, nor is a he a threat to pass creatively. So he is basically a catch and shoot guy. But he should be a really good one of those because he has a nice stroke and his jump shot is released very high making it hard to contest. He should improve to the point where he doesn’t hurt you to have him on the court. And Ben is only somewhat underperforming his projected production. We have to remember that he is young. Also the smartmoney never thought he was good. From last year:

    MYTH NO. 4: BEN MCLEMORE IS A SURE THING
    First, there are no sure things in the NBA draft. Second, the highly respected friend-of-StR Kevin Pelton rated McLemore as the No. 18 prospect in the draft based on WARP, owing primarily to Mac’s low usage rate and low free throw rate. That’s a concern.

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  • #952952
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     Starter. That is my ceiling for him. Third or fourth option on offense, plus guy on defense because of height and hops. He doesn’t have the handles to do anything with the ball, nor is a he a threat to pass creatively. So he is basically a catch and shoot guy. But he should be a really good one of those because he has a nice stroke and his jump shot is released very high making it hard to contest. He should improve to the point where he doesn’t hurt you to have him on the court. And Ben is only somewhat underperforming his projected production. We have to remember that he is young. Also the smartmoney never thought he was good. From last year:

    MYTH NO. 4: BEN MCLEMORE IS A SURE THING
    First, there are no sure things in the NBA draft. Second, the highly respected friend-of-StR Kevin Pelton rated McLemore as the No. 18 prospect in the draft based on WARP, owing primarily to Mac’s low usage rate and low free throw rate. That’s a concern.

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  • #953106
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     On draft night the question was asked Staus or Ben in pick n roll who you got? I think the answer is already known in a PnR League. Ben needs a PG who makes it easy or else consistent play will suffer. Handle is the toughest thing to develop at the NBA level. You have it or you dont. Bradley handles it better than B Mac. B Mac can be very useful with a traditional PG around but thats not there though Collison is serviceable. 

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  • #952968
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     On draft night the question was asked Staus or Ben in pick n roll who you got? I think the answer is already known in a PnR League. Ben needs a PG who makes it easy or else consistent play will suffer. Handle is the toughest thing to develop at the NBA level. You have it or you dont. Bradley handles it better than B Mac. B Mac can be very useful with a traditional PG around but thats not there though Collison is serviceable. 

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  • #953126
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    Very Very Very high ceiling. First thing first is that he knows how to shoot the ball, hands down his jumper is smooth and his mechanics are top of the line. Second is he actually has a motor during the game, he loves to dunk and he gives Sacramento fans a break from watching Cousins and Gay play their usually sloppy offense……Lets not call him an all-star yet, but watch out, this could be his break out season

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  • #952988
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    Very Very Very high ceiling. First thing first is that he knows how to shoot the ball, hands down his jumper is smooth and his mechanics are top of the line. Second is he actually has a motor during the game, he loves to dunk and he gives Sacramento fans a break from watching Cousins and Gay play their usually sloppy offense……Lets not call him an all-star yet, but watch out, this could be his break out season

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    • #953141
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      rongata
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      I sure hope so because last year it looked like he had a blindfold on sometimes.

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    • #953002
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      rongata
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      I sure hope so because last year it looked like he had a blindfold on sometimes.

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  • #953139
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    rongata
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    I had such high hopes for this young man

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  • #953000
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    rongata
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    I had such high hopes for this young man

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