[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

 Being.a.college basketball coach is a 24 hour 7 day a week job.  Recruiting is.the most important.job.a.coach can have in my opinion.  He can have the perfect system, be great with x’s and o’s,and have the perfect facilities, but without.top talent year in and yeAr out, guys at big time programs like.Kansas, duke, and Carolina can’t compete for national championships.  I’ve been following recruiting.religiously.for.the.past 10 years or so.  For the past 5, cal has obviously been the.master at.bringing in top classes year in and year out.  Although, coach k has been pushing.recently bringing in jabari and the number one.ranked class this year.  I see players my team wants and needs.and also see Kentucky is.on their list as.well.  Rarely do guys go head to head with.Cal for a top ten guy and win.  All money jokes aside, what do you guys think is the best way for.a.coach going.toe to toe with Cal with a top 5 can’t miss possible number one.draft.pick in a year and jaw him away from Lexington and the ultimAte master salesman, John calipari.

[ph90702]

Dave Rice can compete against John Calipari.  He beat him for Anthony Bennett.

[ph90702]

Dave Rice can compete against John Calipari.  He beat him for Anthony Bennett.

[Big_C_KUParticipant]

Idk about how you go about it but Bill Self has probably had the most success in recruiting against Cal and that isn’t even that good. 

2009- Henry to KU but Cal beat Self for Henry first at Memphis and Cal beat Self our for Wall.

2010- Both recruited Knight but Knight went to UK. Selby was higher on KU’s board though.

2011- Self didn’t beat Cal for anyone.

2012- Perry Ellis was the only recruit Cal and Self both went after and Ellis went to KU. Ellis was a Kansas boy though so built in advantage.

2013- Self beat Cal out for Wiggins. Cal got Randle though over Self.

2014- Sefl beat Cal out for Oubre which was the only recruit they were both going after.

2015 is going to be a major year of Self and Cal going head to head. Both UK and KU are said to be near the top of the lists for Diallo, Jaylen Brown, Zimmerman, Newman, and Bragg. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Big_C_KUParticipant]

Idk about how you go about it but Bill Self has probably had the most success in recruiting against Cal and that isn’t even that good. 

2009- Henry to KU but Cal beat Self for Henry first at Memphis and Cal beat Self our for Wall.

2010- Both recruited Knight but Knight went to UK. Selby was higher on KU’s board though.

2011- Self didn’t beat Cal for anyone.

2012- Perry Ellis was the only recruit Cal and Self both went after and Ellis went to KU. Ellis was a Kansas boy though so built in advantage.

2013- Self beat Cal out for Wiggins. Cal got Randle though over Self.

2014- Sefl beat Cal out for Oubre which was the only recruit they were both going after.

2015 is going to be a major year of Self and Cal going head to head. Both UK and KU are said to be near the top of the lists for Diallo, Jaylen Brown, Zimmerman, Newman, and Bragg. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TenSecondTomParticipant]

I would say the only coach to potentially compete with Coach Cal long-term would be Sean Miller at Arizona. He has put together some impressive classes thus far and has fielded consistent enough teams to continue to lure big time players to Arizona. He’s young, a great coach too. This biggest thing Arizona needs is to get over the hump and win a championship or two; this might attract the biggest recruits to come in large numbers like Cal does at Kentucky. Another thug to keep an eye on is Sean Miller’s track record in NBA talent; this will be needed to compete with Cal in the recruiting game. 

[TenSecondTomParticipant]

I would say the only coach to potentially compete with Coach Cal long-term would be Sean Miller at Arizona. He has put together some impressive classes thus far and has fielded consistent enough teams to continue to lure big time players to Arizona. He’s young, a great coach too. This biggest thing Arizona needs is to get over the hump and win a championship or two; this might attract the biggest recruits to come in large numbers like Cal does at Kentucky. Another thug to keep an eye on is Sean Miller’s track record in NBA talent; this will be needed to compete with Cal in the recruiting game. 

[TopShottaParticipant]

 Any coach who takes the mindset of "beating cal" into a recruiting battle will lose 98% of the time. Cal/Uk has the reputation, facilities, tradittion, and track record of putting their players in the first round of the draft that can’t really be matched by anyone. A smart coach will just try to oversell a recruit on why their program/school fits that player best…

[TopShottaParticipant]

 Any coach who takes the mindset of "beating cal" into a recruiting battle will lose 98% of the time. Cal/Uk has the reputation, facilities, tradittion, and track record of putting their players in the first round of the draft that can’t really be matched by anyone. A smart coach will just try to oversell a recruit on why their program/school fits that player best…

[tomdukes69Participant]

People hate but he gets it done. And folks he isn’t cheating he doesn’t have to and NCAA is hawking him.

[tomdukes69Participant]

People hate but he gets it done. And folks he isn’t cheating he doesn’t have to and NCAA is hawking him.

[JoeWolf1]

"guys at big time programs like.Kansas, duke, and Carolina can’t compete for national championships."

Coach Cal has 1 national championship.

You mentioned that you’ve followed recruiting closely for the past 10 years, but lets look at the coaches’ Championships since 2004

Billy Donovan – 2, Roy Williams – 2, Jim Calhoun – 2,  Bill Self – 1, Coach K – 1, Kevin Ollie – 1, Rick Pitino – 1, John Calipari -1

Why do you think other programs can’t compete for National Championships? There is no definitive evidence that Coach Cal wins more titles than any other top program. 

 

[ncballer]

Not to mention this past season had it not been for a string of miraculous shots, a lot of Kentucky fans would be calling for his head right now.  

[ncballer]

Not to mention this past season had it not been for a string of miraculous shots, a lot of Kentucky fans would be calling for his head right now.  

[JoeWolf1]

"guys at big time programs like.Kansas, duke, and Carolina can’t compete for national championships."

Coach Cal has 1 national championship.

You mentioned that you’ve followed recruiting closely for the past 10 years, but lets look at the coaches’ Championships since 2004

Billy Donovan – 2, Roy Williams – 2, Jim Calhoun – 2,  Bill Self – 1, Coach K – 1, Kevin Ollie – 1, Rick Pitino – 1, John Calipari -1

Why do you think other programs can’t compete for National Championships? There is no definitive evidence that Coach Cal wins more titles than any other top program. 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 You can’t DOMINATE Cal and Kentucky in recruiting, but you can pick guys off here and there.

I think a biggie will be Skal Labissiere.  Both Kentucky and U of M are after him BIG TIME.  Skal is enrolled in school in Memphis and his "handler" lives in the area.  The guy will get pro money wherever he goes, so I think Memphis has a chance.  Josh Pastner can tell Skal that you will be playing with the Lawsons and some other really good guys.

A West Coast program like UCLA or even Arizona can get West Coast guys.  Lots of talent out West, with players you can win with. 

Kansas and Texas can get all the top guys in the southwest and they have both gotten some great talents recently.  

Duke can compete by marketing its great academics, tradition, and overall atmosphere.

Not sure where UNC fits in.  Kentucky has it beat as a Blue Chip Basketball Factory.  Duke has better academics and a more "upscale" niche.  Then other programs like Kansas and UCLA can also tout their visibility, basketball tradition, and everything else.  

UNC is almost in that Indiana area where two great, great basketball schools historically don’t exactly have a great niche.  UNC has Duke in its backyard with Indiana going up against schools like Ohio State, Michigan State, and Kentucky.  … Louisville could also fall into this zone once Rick Pitino leaves.

Duke is the best team to compete with Kentucky over talent.  It’s almost the Anti-Kentucky, at least perception-wise.

Kansas is part of the Big Three, too.  They can compete by saying, hey, you will be the FOCAL POINT of this team.  Why share shots with the guys at Kentucky and Duke.  At Kansas you can call your own number.

That’s the first tier.  You compete there just by showing up and not messing things up.

The "second tier" would be, in my opinion, Arizona and UCLA out West, UNC, Ohio State, Louisville, Florida, UConn, Syracuse, and Michigan State.  They can get pretty much any non-top 10 guy and even get their fair share of top ten guys.

"Third tier" let’s go with Michigan, Memphis, Texas, and Gonzaga.  Usually solid recruiting classes, with some really great classes (Memphis a few years ago even under Pastner), and some great "gets" for Texas like Kevin Durant and (hopefully) Myles Turner.  These are teams that get their share of lower tier McDonald’s All Americans, some leftovers from the Big Boys, but still their fair share of talent.  These schools, except maybe Gonzaga are on lots of guys Top Five lists.  The Zags are a new traditional power house and the best team in the Pacific Northwest.  

Ok, those are 16 teams right there.  So a Sweet Sixteen in the recruiting pecking order.  Teams not in the Top 16 have their work cut out for them.  They either need a good location (USC), or be a part of a prior winning tradition (Indiana, Georgetown) to do well.  Or, a team like Wisconsin that can hopefully build on its recent success.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 You can’t DOMINATE Cal and Kentucky in recruiting, but you can pick guys off here and there.

I think a biggie will be Skal Labissiere.  Both Kentucky and U of M are after him BIG TIME.  Skal is enrolled in school in Memphis and his "handler" lives in the area.  The guy will get pro money wherever he goes, so I think Memphis has a chance.  Josh Pastner can tell Skal that you will be playing with the Lawsons and some other really good guys.

A West Coast program like UCLA or even Arizona can get West Coast guys.  Lots of talent out West, with players you can win with. 

Kansas and Texas can get all the top guys in the southwest and they have both gotten some great talents recently.  

Duke can compete by marketing its great academics, tradition, and overall atmosphere.

Not sure where UNC fits in.  Kentucky has it beat as a Blue Chip Basketball Factory.  Duke has better academics and a more "upscale" niche.  Then other programs like Kansas and UCLA can also tout their visibility, basketball tradition, and everything else.  

UNC is almost in that Indiana area where two great, great basketball schools historically don’t exactly have a great niche.  UNC has Duke in its backyard with Indiana going up against schools like Ohio State, Michigan State, and Kentucky.  … Louisville could also fall into this zone once Rick Pitino leaves.

Duke is the best team to compete with Kentucky over talent.  It’s almost the Anti-Kentucky, at least perception-wise.

Kansas is part of the Big Three, too.  They can compete by saying, hey, you will be the FOCAL POINT of this team.  Why share shots with the guys at Kentucky and Duke.  At Kansas you can call your own number.

That’s the first tier.  You compete there just by showing up and not messing things up.

The "second tier" would be, in my opinion, Arizona and UCLA out West, UNC, Ohio State, Louisville, Florida, UConn, Syracuse, and Michigan State.  They can get pretty much any non-top 10 guy and even get their fair share of top ten guys.

"Third tier" let’s go with Michigan, Memphis, Texas, and Gonzaga.  Usually solid recruiting classes, with some really great classes (Memphis a few years ago even under Pastner), and some great "gets" for Texas like Kevin Durant and (hopefully) Myles Turner.  These are teams that get their share of lower tier McDonald’s All Americans, some leftovers from the Big Boys, but still their fair share of talent.  These schools, except maybe Gonzaga are on lots of guys Top Five lists.  The Zags are a new traditional power house and the best team in the Pacific Northwest.  

Ok, those are 16 teams right there.  So a Sweet Sixteen in the recruiting pecking order.  Teams not in the Top 16 have their work cut out for them.  They either need a good location (USC), or be a part of a prior winning tradition (Indiana, Georgetown) to do well.  Or, a team like Wisconsin that can hopefully build on its recent success.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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