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Who would’ve been the better prospect had they been in the same class?

[LA12Participant]

I think everyone could agree that both have similar potential levels, but Davis was more far along in his development in his freshman year in college. He just seemed more NBA ready than Embiid does, which is attributed to Embiid picking up the game at a late age. 

I think both are going to be the best players at their positions at some point in time (assuming Davis stays at the PF position and doesn’t slide along to the center position), but I would personally take David. Besides being more ready, he just has some skills that you can’t expect big men to learn which he learned during his time spent playing as a guard before his growth spurt. Things like his hands, passing, touch, and ball handling give him the edge to me. It’ll be interesting to see compare both players once they have five or more years in the league under their belts though.

 

[LA12Participant]

I think everyone could agree that both have similar potential levels, but Davis was more far along in his development in his freshman year in college. He just seemed more NBA ready than Embiid does, which is attributed to Embiid picking up the game at a late age. 

I think both are going to be the best players at their positions at some point in time (assuming Davis stays at the PF position and doesn’t slide along to the center position), but I would personally take David. Besides being more ready, he just has some skills that you can’t expect big men to learn which he learned during his time spent playing as a guard before his growth spurt. Things like his hands, passing, touch, and ball handling give him the edge to me. It’ll be interesting to see compare both players once they have five or more years in the league under their belts though.

 

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 Davis and we all have the ability to see what Davis is at the NBA level already so that helps. theres still the unknown factor with Embiid and whether or not he reaches his full potential.

[imAboutDatActionParticipant]

 Davis and we all have the ability to see what Davis is at the NBA level already so that helps. theres still the unknown factor with Embiid and whether or not he reaches his full potential.

[Pack AttackParticipant]

 Davis by a clear margin.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 This is false.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 This is false.

[Pack AttackParticipant]

 Davis by a clear margin.

[lalailaParticipant]

he still have some time, and Embiid is already talked about like future franchise center but remember..even on ESPN some experts said they would pick Davis over Griffin even w/o seeing him play in the NBA, I remember one even said he already thought AD was going to be top15 player of all-time 

[lalailaParticipant]

he still have some time, and Embiid is already talked about like future franchise center but remember..even on ESPN some experts said they would pick Davis over Griffin even w/o seeing him play in the NBA, I remember one even said he already thought AD was going to be top15 player of all-time 

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 Davis was a monster in college.  He was probably the best prospect to enter the draft since LeBron.  Elite physical tools, elite shooting touch and tremendous court sense.  He wasn’t/isn’t a traditional back-to-the-basket big man, but his ability to score down low was obvious.  He just had a perfect game for the NBA with elite two way potential.  Davis’ game was nit picked big time on this site and he still was the consensus 1st overall pick among posters on the site.  

Davis could be a top-3 player in the NBA within 2-3 years.  The two players he was compared to predraft, KG and Tim Duncan, were not this good this soon.  KG didn’t reach the level Anthony Davis is now until his fifth year in the league.  Tim Duncan was probably at this level in his third year in the league when he was 23. Duncan was more NBA-ready on defense at a young age, but Davis is just insane on offense.  Davis is a likely future superstar.

Embiid has a lot of potential, but he is a long way away from getting as good as Davis is right now.  While perhaps Davis getting so good so soon wasn’t exactly predicted by too many, Davis is still really far from his long-term potential.  He still is not too efficient as a post scorer and shooter, but is so dominant scoring off cuts, rim runs and offensive rebounds that he will be an efficient scorer in the interim before he sorts out his post game, which seems to be improving over the course of this season.

[Snatalini247Participant]

I completely agree with your post except for one thing, Duncan was a monster in the league his first year and won a championship his second year but otherwise Davis is honestly the best prospect since lebron, other than probably greg oden (another franchise center) funny how every time a franchise center comes along lately they turn out to be a bust 

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 Davis is putting up his numbers on a bad team, so maybe I exagerrated a little.  Duncan wasn’t as efficient an offensive player in his early years, but he was probably a better defender and Duncan obviously was extraordinarily productive right from the beginning.  Still, Davis is very comparable production-wise to a young Duncan and it is no small feat that he is pretty much equalling the offensive production and efficiency of a Duncan in his early NBA years, despite being younger and having a less defined niche.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 Davis is putting up his numbers on a bad team, so maybe I exagerrated a little.  Duncan wasn’t as efficient an offensive player in his early years, but he was probably a better defender and Duncan obviously was extraordinarily productive right from the beginning.  Still, Davis is very comparable production-wise to a young Duncan and it is no small feat that he is pretty much equalling the offensive production and efficiency of a Duncan in his early NBA years, despite being younger and having a less defined niche.

[Snatalini247Participant]

I completely agree with your post except for one thing, Duncan was a monster in the league his first year and won a championship his second year but otherwise Davis is honestly the best prospect since lebron, other than probably greg oden (another franchise center) funny how every time a franchise center comes along lately they turn out to be a bust 

[flopdownD]

davisDavis was not seen as that guy with “elite physical tools”, more like athletic tools. His biggest knock was his frame, the one who had elite physical tools was Grande Drummond

[flopdownD]

davisDavis was not seen as that guy with “elite physical tools”, more like athletic tools. His biggest knock was his frame, the one who had elite physical tools was Grande Drummond

[Mr. 19134Participant]

Anthony Davis did not have an elite shooting touch at Kentucky and most people on this site said that he could only score on lobs and cuts because Coach Cal didn’t let AD display even a portion of his offensive arsenal at Kentucky.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

Anthony Davis did not have an elite shooting touch at Kentucky and most people on this site said that he could only score on lobs and cuts because Coach Cal didn’t let AD display even a portion of his offensive arsenal at Kentucky.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 Davis was a monster in college.  He was probably the best prospect to enter the draft since LeBron.  Elite physical tools, elite shooting touch and tremendous court sense.  He wasn’t/isn’t a traditional back-to-the-basket big man, but his ability to score down low was obvious.  He just had a perfect game for the NBA with elite two way potential.  Davis’ game was nit picked big time on this site and he still was the consensus 1st overall pick among posters on the site.  

Davis could be a top-3 player in the NBA within 2-3 years.  The two players he was compared to predraft, KG and Tim Duncan, were not this good this soon.  KG didn’t reach the level Anthony Davis is now until his fifth year in the league.  Tim Duncan was probably at this level in his third year in the league when he was 23. Duncan was more NBA-ready on defense at a young age, but Davis is just insane on offense.  Davis is a likely future superstar.

Embiid has a lot of potential, but he is a long way away from getting as good as Davis is right now.  While perhaps Davis getting so good so soon wasn’t exactly predicted by too many, Davis is still really far from his long-term potential.  He still is not too efficient as a post scorer and shooter, but is so dominant scoring off cuts, rim runs and offensive rebounds that he will be an efficient scorer in the interim before he sorts out his post game, which seems to be improving over the course of this season.

[Captain LParticipant]

Davis would be my pick, his ability to use guard like skills acquired when he was playing pg really help him be almost unguardable, if he can gain strength he will be a top 3 player IMO. Embiid has the body to play the 5 more so than
Davis and he could end up the top center in the league in 5 or 6 yrs but I still like Davis and his versatility and skill set.

[Captain LParticipant]

Davis would be my pick, his ability to use guard like skills acquired when he was playing pg really help him be almost unguardable, if he can gain strength he will be a top 3 player IMO. Embiid has the body to play the 5 more so than
Davis and he could end up the top center in the league in 5 or 6 yrs but I still like Davis and his versatility and skill set.

[SamCarlsonParticipant]

 I love Davis and think he has the skill set to be the Durant of PFs. Too long and athletic and he can just shoot over people. It would be a travesty for them to move him to center long term. They need to get him a solid center so he can run the 4 and start to step out and expand his game even more. But embiid is close in my mind bc of the size and post moves. I don’t think anyone would argue that he is a true center and while he needs to get a little bigger and stronger he is a legit 7 footer with good post moves that some nba centers don’t have yet (Drummond, Jordan). You can’t teach that size and his ability to score down low with his back to the basket has potential to be elite and better than Davis 

[SamCarlsonParticipant]

 I love Davis and think he has the skill set to be the Durant of PFs. Too long and athletic and he can just shoot over people. It would be a travesty for them to move him to center long term. They need to get him a solid center so he can run the 4 and start to step out and expand his game even more. But embiid is close in my mind bc of the size and post moves. I don’t think anyone would argue that he is a true center and while he needs to get a little bigger and stronger he is a legit 7 footer with good post moves that some nba centers don’t have yet (Drummond, Jordan). You can’t teach that size and his ability to score down low with his back to the basket has potential to be elite and better than Davis 

[ngnqqParticipant]

 Davis, and it’s not even close in my mind. 

[ngnqqParticipant]

 Davis, and it’s not even close in my mind. 

[Big_C_KUParticipant]

Davis definitely although Embiid has a chance to be the top 2-way big man come tourney time.

I do feel they have similar level potentials though. Top 5-10 player and best player at their respective positions in their primes.

[Big_C_KUParticipant]

Davis definitely although Embiid has a chance to be the top 2-way big man come tourney time.

I do feel they have similar level potentials though. Top 5-10 player and best player at their respective positions in their primes.

[JNixonParticipant]

 Anthony Davis is better, he has Embiid in just about every aspect and shows more instincts and feel for the game to really reach his potential. Embiid has improved alot and is still growing as a player, but he is more methodical and less instinctive as a player.

[JNixonParticipant]

 Anthony Davis is better, he has Embiid in just about every aspect and shows more instincts and feel for the game to really reach his potential. Embiid has improved alot and is still growing as a player, but he is more methodical and less instinctive as a player.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

It’s funny how quickly people forget that a majority of people had no clue how much offensive potential Anthony Davis had while in college.  I got roasted on here for calling Anthony Davis the next Dream because I saw in him the ability to use that unique length and coordination to become a dominant offensive player while most people on here were saying that Davis couldn’t score the ball.  Most of the site said that Davis would probably never average more then 17 ppg because he had such a limited offensive game and could only score on dunks and couldn’t shoot.  I argued he can do these things he just hasn’t been allowed to showcase them while in college.

I am going to argue the same thing for Embiid.  Joel Embiid is going to become a dominant offensive weapon in the league for the same reasons that Davis is.  Only Embiid is bigger, stronger, and has an even better feel in the low post.  However Embiid’s perimeter game will never be as good as Davis so he does not possess’ the overall offensive potential that Davis has.

On defense they are also a similar story as Embiid will eventually become a dominant defensive center able to shut the whole painted area down for entire games.  However Embiid does not possess the alien like instincts that Davis has on defense.

Overall I would take Davis because of his super hero like defensive instincs and his overal offensive versatility.

 

 

 

 

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

No we don’t forget. We just remeber guys saying that Davis wasn’t going to be a scorer in the NBA and we remeber laughing at them and thinking they were idiots. Davis was clearly playing a disciplined offensive game as a 19 year old. He didn’t do those jumpers because it was not part of the team game plan. The potential was all there and it was clear.  He didn’t take low percentage jumpers. That was a good thing and part of the plan. But five more years of basketball practice was very likely to result in him having those shots. Add that to the dunks and finishing abilty and you have an offensive monster. Oh, and you get the nearly league leading blocked shots plus plenty of rebounds. Yes, please I will build a team around that. 

Embid can be considered good or even great. But lets see how he finishes the season against the tougher conference play. Also as amazing as Embid has been, look at Davis’s stats. Embid still fouls a bunch. Davis fouled almost never in college, while still getting more blocks. Embid turns the ball over, Davis, almost never turned the ball over, while still scoring nearly as much. 

Davis was a once every five years prospect. And he continues to seem to be in that level. He is arguably top 20 in the league already. And how old is he? 21? He has scary upside. Embid looks great as well. But we need to see more and even what we have seen isn’t at the same level as Davis. 

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

No we don’t forget. We just remeber guys saying that Davis wasn’t going to be a scorer in the NBA and we remeber laughing at them and thinking they were idiots. Davis was clearly playing a disciplined offensive game as a 19 year old. He didn’t do those jumpers because it was not part of the team game plan. The potential was all there and it was clear.  He didn’t take low percentage jumpers. That was a good thing and part of the plan. But five more years of basketball practice was very likely to result in him having those shots. Add that to the dunks and finishing abilty and you have an offensive monster. Oh, and you get the nearly league leading blocked shots plus plenty of rebounds. Yes, please I will build a team around that. 

Embid can be considered good or even great. But lets see how he finishes the season against the tougher conference play. Also as amazing as Embid has been, look at Davis’s stats. Embid still fouls a bunch. Davis fouled almost never in college, while still getting more blocks. Embid turns the ball over, Davis, almost never turned the ball over, while still scoring nearly as much. 

Davis was a once every five years prospect. And he continues to seem to be in that level. He is arguably top 20 in the league already. And how old is he? 21? He has scary upside. Embid looks great as well. But we need to see more and even what we have seen isn’t at the same level as Davis. 

[Mr. 19134Participant]

It’s funny how quickly people forget that a majority of people had no clue how much offensive potential Anthony Davis had while in college.  I got roasted on here for calling Anthony Davis the next Dream because I saw in him the ability to use that unique length and coordination to become a dominant offensive player while most people on here were saying that Davis couldn’t score the ball.  Most of the site said that Davis would probably never average more then 17 ppg because he had such a limited offensive game and could only score on dunks and couldn’t shoot.  I argued he can do these things he just hasn’t been allowed to showcase them while in college.

I am going to argue the same thing for Embiid.  Joel Embiid is going to become a dominant offensive weapon in the league for the same reasons that Davis is.  Only Embiid is bigger, stronger, and has an even better feel in the low post.  However Embiid’s perimeter game will never be as good as Davis so he does not possess’ the overall offensive potential that Davis has.

On defense they are also a similar story as Embiid will eventually become a dominant defensive center able to shut the whole painted area down for entire games.  However Embiid does not possess the alien like instincts that Davis has on defense.

Overall I would take Davis because of his super hero like defensive instincs and his overal offensive versatility.

 

 

 

 

[flopdownD]

Yea, people here is acting like itbwasnt until tourney time until Davis was finally the consensus #1 pick, but seriously, if you know what my other names were before I got banned numerous of times (for BS), you know I was always VERY high on Davis, and I hate to bring it up but I said he would be the number one pick quickly after his first couple games when people was going other ways, I was set with Davis at one and got PLENTY of negs for defending him (argue that I’m wrong and I’ll bring up the old threads)

[flopdownD]

Yea, people here is acting like itbwasnt until tourney time until Davis was finally the consensus #1 pick, but seriously, if you know what my other names were before I got banned numerous of times (for BS), you know I was always VERY high on Davis, and I hate to bring it up but I said he would be the number one pick quickly after his first couple games when people was going other ways, I was set with Davis at one and got PLENTY of negs for defending him (argue that I’m wrong and I’ll bring up the old threads)

[flopdownD]

Mr. 19134, I also know you very high on Davis, tbh at this point idk who the better prospect is, I have been completely blown away by Embiid, everything he does shines, and I agree with your post, I think Embiid will be a force on offense, which people said he wouldn’t be like a week ago. I think Embiid had potential to be real dominant low post scorer which I value a tad more than Davis ability to score from everywhere. Idk who the best prospect is at this point…

[flopdownD]

Mr. 19134, I also know you very high on Davis, tbh at this point idk who the better prospect is, I have been completely blown away by Embiid, everything he does shines, and I agree with your post, I think Embiid will be a force on offense, which people said he wouldn’t be like a week ago. I think Embiid had potential to be real dominant low post scorer which I value a tad more than Davis ability to score from everywhere. Idk who the best prospect is at this point…

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