[LitteringAnd…Participant]

 I did one of these for teams which have tried to rebuild to quickly (Cavs, Detroit) and now I’d like to see what people would do were they given a train wreck. I’m talking a team with money tied up, 3 players putting up above the league average PERs, and no chance of currently competing – The Knicks.  Let’s say you get the call tomorrow to be their new GM, your predecessor has signed Melo and Amare to big contracts, paid significant money for Chadler and JR Smith given their abilities and somehow conspired to trade a first-rounder in 2016 and second-rounders in ’14 and ’17 for Andrea Bargnani. Needless to say you have your work cut out for you:

Pros: Amare will have a ridiculous 22M+ expiring next year, some good(ish) young pieces in Hardaway and Shump, ‘Melo can certainly score, the FA lure of NY. 

Cons: Bargnani, current cap inflexibility, Amare is done and Chandler is getting old, you can’t win with this roster, you have a genuine star who wants to be there but needs to be winning and contending. 

Do you try and re-tool somehow or blow it up to some degree? Can you convince ‘Melo to stay for a year of utter mediocrity while you amass assets and cap space for your status as a prime free agent location?

 

 

 

 

[HaleParticipant]

I’d probably hang up.

I guess you would try your best to find out if Melo is staying. If he is try to rework the team around him and start beginning working on a contender. If he’s not, blow it up and get as many picks as possible.

  

[HaleParticipant]

I’d probably hang up.

I guess you would try your best to find out if Melo is staying. If he is try to rework the team around him and start beginning working on a contender. If he’s not, blow it up and get as many picks as possible.

  

[rileymcshea3Participant]

 First thing first you need to figure out if Melo is the starting power forward or small forward. Some people think they play better with Melo at the 4, but can you really win a championship with him playing downlow? Probably not, but in today’s small ball type of basketball you never know. 

Secondly I don’t like Woodson. He isn’t much better then Dantoni was, actually probably even worst. This team lacks toughness and are prone for settling for bad shots. Lionel Hollins should be able to fix that right away. I can’t believe this guy isn’t a head coach right now, they should fire Woodson right now and get Hollins. Highly unlikely so they will probably have to wait for the offseason.

And the last thing I will say is they need to figure out what is going on at the shooting guard position. Obviously JR Smith didn’t workout and his distractions are starting to out weight his inconsistent talent. Then you got Shumpert who can’t seem to find his role in the NBA and is starting to look injury prone. After that you got the rookie who is starting to look like the bright thing going forward on the Knicks and that his Tim Hardaway. Lights out shooter who fits in perfectly next to Melo. Even saw the guys on ESPN do a redraft(Bill Simmons,Jalen Rose, and Avery Johnson) all had him in the top 7, Avery had him at number 2 only behind MCW.

[rileymcshea3Participant]

 First thing first you need to figure out if Melo is the starting power forward or small forward. Some people think they play better with Melo at the 4, but can you really win a championship with him playing downlow? Probably not, but in today’s small ball type of basketball you never know. 

Secondly I don’t like Woodson. He isn’t much better then Dantoni was, actually probably even worst. This team lacks toughness and are prone for settling for bad shots. Lionel Hollins should be able to fix that right away. I can’t believe this guy isn’t a head coach right now, they should fire Woodson right now and get Hollins. Highly unlikely so they will probably have to wait for the offseason.

And the last thing I will say is they need to figure out what is going on at the shooting guard position. Obviously JR Smith didn’t workout and his distractions are starting to out weight his inconsistent talent. Then you got Shumpert who can’t seem to find his role in the NBA and is starting to look injury prone. After that you got the rookie who is starting to look like the bright thing going forward on the Knicks and that his Tim Hardaway. Lights out shooter who fits in perfectly next to Melo. Even saw the guys on ESPN do a redraft(Bill Simmons,Jalen Rose, and Avery Johnson) all had him in the top 7, Avery had him at number 2 only behind MCW.

[runBruceParticipant]

 Even if they convince Melo to stay….the salary cap is going to eat them alive.  It’s somethin like 90mil+ without the entire roster even filled out. They are in cap hell until 2015/16 unless somesort of Fight Club like scenario unfolds and all contracts and salary cap levels are reset to zero. 

[runBruceParticipant]

 Even if they convince Melo to stay….the salary cap is going to eat them alive.  It’s somethin like 90mil+ without the entire roster even filled out. They are in cap hell until 2015/16 unless somesort of Fight Club like scenario unfolds and all contracts and salary cap levels are reset to zero. 

[The QParticipant]

 You see if OKC will still be interested in Shumpert since he doesn’t fit into your future vision. 

You dangle Hardaway (who while young and promising still projects as a role player) to get someone to take one of those bad contracts, I’m thinking Philly. They’ll have tons and tons of cap room and have a hole long term on the wing right now. 

I think you have to ride out Chandler, Bargs and Amare for next year. Then your books are starting to look pretty good. The only guys set up to be around in 2015 are Prigs, Smith and Felton (and Melo if you resign him). You could still probably move Felton as his contract isn’t ghastly horrific, he can be a backup PG. Prigs is a guy who you could probalby move this summer just because of the rebuilding your facing. 

If Dolan doens’t understand that this is at least a 3 year plan, then I wouldn’t take the job. 

But I do agree you need to decide what you want Melo to be. Because if Melo’s your 3 then you go for cap space and go hard for Kevin Love. Melo and Love isn’t ideal defensively, but it’s still a really good starting block. 

The Knicks need to start thinking outside the box, like bringing Hassan Whiteside back stateside. Grabbing some of those D-League dominators to fill out a cheapish bench (becasue you’re in cap hell and can’t give out big FA contracts anyway), and see what gems you can uncover. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[The QParticipant]

 You see if OKC will still be interested in Shumpert since he doesn’t fit into your future vision. 

You dangle Hardaway (who while young and promising still projects as a role player) to get someone to take one of those bad contracts, I’m thinking Philly. They’ll have tons and tons of cap room and have a hole long term on the wing right now. 

I think you have to ride out Chandler, Bargs and Amare for next year. Then your books are starting to look pretty good. The only guys set up to be around in 2015 are Prigs, Smith and Felton (and Melo if you resign him). You could still probably move Felton as his contract isn’t ghastly horrific, he can be a backup PG. Prigs is a guy who you could probalby move this summer just because of the rebuilding your facing. 

If Dolan doens’t understand that this is at least a 3 year plan, then I wouldn’t take the job. 

But I do agree you need to decide what you want Melo to be. Because if Melo’s your 3 then you go for cap space and go hard for Kevin Love. Melo and Love isn’t ideal defensively, but it’s still a really good starting block. 

The Knicks need to start thinking outside the box, like bringing Hassan Whiteside back stateside. Grabbing some of those D-League dominators to fill out a cheapish bench (becasue you’re in cap hell and can’t give out big FA contracts anyway), and see what gems you can uncover. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[joecheck88Participant]

 I’m not saying it would be possible but I would have a fire sale. You have to resign Melo. He’s the best piece on the team. Think you can get value for Chandler and Shumpert. If I have a good deal for Melo I take it. You really have to be patient for a year but I’d do a complete rebuild. Just hold Melo until you get something decent. 

[joecheck88Participant]

 I’m not saying it would be possible but I would have a fire sale. You have to resign Melo. He’s the best piece on the team. Think you can get value for Chandler and Shumpert. If I have a good deal for Melo I take it. You really have to be patient for a year but I’d do a complete rebuild. Just hold Melo until you get something decent. 

[The QParticipant]

 Yeah there will be a conteder who is interested in Chandler. No question. But it probably has to be a summer deal for cap reasons. 

[The QParticipant]

 Yeah there will be a conteder who is interested in Chandler. No question. But it probably has to be a summer deal for cap reasons. 

[Jester87Participant]

Just be patient. Next year Chandler, Amare and Bargnani’s deals are coming off the books. They have a window to rebuild the team. Just wait, this team has some potential, but is too expensive. Do not deal one of those expirings for long deals on talented players who hardly fit just because they are big names. Stop stockpiling talent without any logic and just having big names coming to feed the media. Choose the coach for the future and stick with him giving him an opportunity to have players he likes and not having to work with dysfunctional teams without any chemistry just to fire him when things aren’t working out. But that’s never going to happen in NYC

[Jester87Participant]

Just be patient. Next year Chandler, Amare and Bargnani’s deals are coming off the books. They have a window to rebuild the team. Just wait, this team has some potential, but is too expensive. Do not deal one of those expirings for long deals on talented players who hardly fit just because they are big names. Stop stockpiling talent without any logic and just having big names coming to feed the media. Choose the coach for the future and stick with him giving him an opportunity to have players he likes and not having to work with dysfunctional teams without any chemistry just to fire him when things aren’t working out. But that’s never going to happen in NYC

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

A rebuild with the Knicks is too difficult right now because they were idiotic with their draft picks.

I’d try to get Lionel Hollins

I like the idea of trying to trade Shumpert to a team that would be willing to take back an expiring deal like Bargs or Stoudemire.

I also think once those guys do become expiring you could probably trade them to bad teams looking to unload vet players. A team like Philly, Milwaukee or Boston may be rebuilding and looking to shed longer term deals.

You could try to deal JR Smith but you wont get anything for him because he’s a cancer and not worth the problem, so you need to hope a tough coach would get the most out of him.

The biggest thing they need is a PG. Obviously they are interested in every PG in the league but they need somebody who can create besides Melo. Unfortunately they have no money to go sign a guy like Lowry, and have no assets to deal for a good either.

Would Detroit be willing to trade Jennings and Smith just to get rid of them? Because I could see those two teams working out something like a Hardaway/Stoudamire/Felton for Jennings and Smith being decent. Detroit gets rid of Smith and Jennings, gets a home town guy in Hardaway plus a vet PG in Felton to "mentor" a young PG assuming they draft one. Might be addition by subtraction.

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

A rebuild with the Knicks is too difficult right now because they were idiotic with their draft picks.

I’d try to get Lionel Hollins

I like the idea of trying to trade Shumpert to a team that would be willing to take back an expiring deal like Bargs or Stoudemire.

I also think once those guys do become expiring you could probably trade them to bad teams looking to unload vet players. A team like Philly, Milwaukee or Boston may be rebuilding and looking to shed longer term deals.

You could try to deal JR Smith but you wont get anything for him because he’s a cancer and not worth the problem, so you need to hope a tough coach would get the most out of him.

The biggest thing they need is a PG. Obviously they are interested in every PG in the league but they need somebody who can create besides Melo. Unfortunately they have no money to go sign a guy like Lowry, and have no assets to deal for a good either.

Would Detroit be willing to trade Jennings and Smith just to get rid of them? Because I could see those two teams working out something like a Hardaway/Stoudamire/Felton for Jennings and Smith being decent. Detroit gets rid of Smith and Jennings, gets a home town guy in Hardaway plus a vet PG in Felton to "mentor" a young PG assuming they draft one. Might be addition by subtraction.

[adumParticipant]

 I would trade Melo for picks and a young point guard or foward.

The catch would be that wherever Melo goes Andrea follows.

This would be tough considering their contracts but this is the only way.

A team like Detroit could work with them packaging Monroe Stuckey and picks.

Tyson although getting old still has value and can provide value on the trade market.

 

 

[adumParticipant]

 I would trade Melo for picks and a young point guard or foward.

The catch would be that wherever Melo goes Andrea follows.

This would be tough considering their contracts but this is the only way.

A team like Detroit could work with them packaging Monroe Stuckey and picks.

Tyson although getting old still has value and can provide value on the trade market.

 

 

[r377Participant]

Have you got a link to the pistons thread ?

[r377Participant]

Have you got a link to the pistons thread ?

[theprophetParticipant]

you have to get something for him. if i’m the knicks i am knocking on the door of a team like possibly portland, clippers, boston, indiana, miami, or maybe chicago if i’m looking to win a chip within the next 3-4 years.

portland is right there. they have the youth and talent and can offer a package of young players and picks to accommodate the now factor for the championship soon and not lose much mojo in the process. only question here is will he go to a small market if he can win?

clippers could package blake griffin or something. the downer here is California tax.

boston could be a good fit, if the knicks would bite on jeff green and youth and still keep rondo to pair up with rondo, it can work. this works if the knicks say eff it and completely clean house. with this team though, however, you can go in reverse to. try keeping melo and getting rondo. that is wishful thinking but you never know, rondo has been subject of trade rumors.

indiana is kind of in the same boat as portland, but less youthful and less of a need for melo position by position, but to get past lebron, you never know. would the knicks give Indiana a deal is another question, considering that rivalry.

miami could work only if bosh is in the deal, and the knicks are cleaning house. this would of course put melon with the king and it would be the case of the old can’t beat em’ join em’ scenario. doubt this happens, but if you put the rivalry aside and ego, it might not be a terrible choice.

chicago could be a great place to land, especially if rose is healthy-duh.

if i’m gm, i’m knocking on portland’s door first. if it doesn’t work then clippers i try to get rondo.

chandler and jr smith need to go. get rid of them each for a descent pick and some expiring scrub contract

woodson sucks, but so do the knicks right now. they already signed the option for next season to keep him, i roll with him til it expires and find someone else that fits the city of ny. no sense wasting money on another coach when you suck this bad with this lineup at this record right now. if you get future picks for melo, whoever the new coach will be i’m sure would want some say in the draft. i like biggysmalls idea of lionel hollins. i would want that caliber coach, but i wouldn’t jump the gun if it’s a buy out for woodson to do it.

[theprophetParticipant]

you have to get something for him. if i’m the knicks i am knocking on the door of a team like possibly portland, clippers, boston, indiana, miami, or maybe chicago if i’m looking to win a chip within the next 3-4 years.

portland is right there. they have the youth and talent and can offer a package of young players and picks to accommodate the now factor for the championship soon and not lose much mojo in the process. only question here is will he go to a small market if he can win?

clippers could package blake griffin or something. the downer here is California tax.

boston could be a good fit, if the knicks would bite on jeff green and youth and still keep rondo to pair up with rondo, it can work. this works if the knicks say eff it and completely clean house. with this team though, however, you can go in reverse to. try keeping melo and getting rondo. that is wishful thinking but you never know, rondo has been subject of trade rumors.

indiana is kind of in the same boat as portland, but less youthful and less of a need for melo position by position, but to get past lebron, you never know. would the knicks give Indiana a deal is another question, considering that rivalry.

miami could work only if bosh is in the deal, and the knicks are cleaning house. this would of course put melon with the king and it would be the case of the old can’t beat em’ join em’ scenario. doubt this happens, but if you put the rivalry aside and ego, it might not be a terrible choice.

chicago could be a great place to land, especially if rose is healthy-duh.

if i’m gm, i’m knocking on portland’s door first. if it doesn’t work then clippers i try to get rondo.

chandler and jr smith need to go. get rid of them each for a descent pick and some expiring scrub contract

woodson sucks, but so do the knicks right now. they already signed the option for next season to keep him, i roll with him til it expires and find someone else that fits the city of ny. no sense wasting money on another coach when you suck this bad with this lineup at this record right now. if you get future picks for melo, whoever the new coach will be i’m sure would want some say in the draft. i like biggysmalls idea of lionel hollins. i would want that caliber coach, but i wouldn’t jump the gun if it’s a buy out for woodson to do it.

[theprophetParticipant]

you know, i would also hit up gs if i’m parting with melo to for the same reasons as portland.

[theprophetParticipant]

you know, i would also hit up gs if i’m parting with melo to for the same reasons as portland.

[eric2013Participant]

 1st of all get rid of Woodson.

Then hire the coach you want for the next 3 years (and stick with him), and work with him when doing all the trades.

Resign Melo… he is not only your best player by far, but also is the face of the franchise, the one who sells the tickets. Trade JR to a contender desperate to get a SG (this year Clippers or Bulls), and if you can trade Bargnani for a good asset you do it.

After that you sit tight for the 2015 draft and you covet some players to come play for you based on Melo, your coach and the city.

If all the pieces fall into place you look at an scenario with the biggest market, one of the top 10 players in the league and a big chunk of cap space… If not, I’d love to be the 2016 Nugget’s GM and plan which player would I select with NY’s pick (Swap)!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[eric2013Participant]

 1st of all get rid of Woodson.

Then hire the coach you want for the next 3 years (and stick with him), and work with him when doing all the trades.

Resign Melo… he is not only your best player by far, but also is the face of the franchise, the one who sells the tickets. Trade JR to a contender desperate to get a SG (this year Clippers or Bulls), and if you can trade Bargnani for a good asset you do it.

After that you sit tight for the 2015 draft and you covet some players to come play for you based on Melo, your coach and the city.

If all the pieces fall into place you look at an scenario with the biggest market, one of the top 10 players in the league and a big chunk of cap space… If not, I’d love to be the 2016 Nugget’s GM and plan which player would I select with NY’s pick (Swap)!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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