[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 This is a great discussion that been going on since Andrew Wiggins reclassified to the 2013 graduation class. This discussion had various topic questions in "Who is the best better prospect?" to "Who is the better player?". I believed Jabari Parker been the better player from high school, but I got why people that in the "Andrew Wiggins is better than Jabari Parker" camp when they talk about his potential being larger, so he is the better prospect. Now that they are both in the NBA, we can have a discussion about who is the better player as of now.

I firmly believe that Jabari Parker is the better player right now and will be better in the future. There’s various reasons why I believe Jabari Parker is better. I believe Jabari Parker is the more complete offensive player than Wiggins, while so far throughout both of their career both been trash on the defensive end of the court. Wiggins have a defensive real plus/minus of negative 3.1 this season, while Jabari have a negative 1.7. Both trash on the defensive end of the floor.

IMO, Jabari have the more complete offensive game than Wiggins have. He can shoot the three @ an more impressive clip, can play with his back to the basket, play in the high post, one of the better PnR handlers in the league, and is an phenomenal finisher. Looking at the shooting splits between the two Jabari Parker shoots better from 0-3 feet, 16 to the 3 point line, and at the 3 point line. Wiggins shoots better from the middle of that. 

In talking about advanced metrics, Jabari Parker is better than that as well. Jabari have a better total rebound percentage, better assist percentage, better turnover percentage, lesser usage percentage, more offensive win shares, more defensive win shares, more total win shares, better offensive and defensive real plus/minus, and better value over replacement. You can go to Basketball-Referense.com.

I know I might get negged for backing up my claims with actual facts. But, I watched both throughout both of their careers and I believe Jabari Parker is better than Wiggins, I had that same opinion when they were in high school and when they were in college. So, Jabari been just the better player so far to this point. I’m happy to open a discussion about why you believe Wiggins is better. But, I believe this is an air tight argument based on advanced statistics and basic eye test.

 

 

 

 

[A Lil EnglishParticipant]

No argument against anything you said. I’ve watched their teams plenty this season and the eye test tells me Parker is the better player and Wiggins being a good defender is yet to come to fruition.

I feel like Jabari has had the better coaching situation these past 2 years though, Tibs & the Wolves have only just got started in the last month or so.

[DukeDaSquadParticipant]

 Jabari could legit avg 25/5/5 this season if he played for a competent coach. Yea Kidd has been a big part of Jabari’s development as a player, but his offensive and defensive schemes are terrible. His substitutions and rotations are terrible too, though thats not all his fault, I still give him blame for that. The bucks as a whole would be a much better team if he was to just take on a developmental role with the team and have someone else coach them

[DukeDaSquadParticipant]

 His offense is based on players calling their own number. They hardly run plays for their players. And almost every out of bounds play out of a timeout results in a terrible shot that leaves you thinking " is that what they drew up? "…

I wish he would also give Thon alot more burn than he actually gets. I know hes frail, but so is Henson. The big differences are Henson can’t catch, Henson can’t shoot, and Henson can’t play defense. Not to mention Thon’s motor and hustle on the boards and in every aspect of the game, which every other big on the roster is severely lacking.

I can give him some break for his defensive schemes since he has guys like Bari,Telly,Beasley,Monroe and others in the rotation, but I swear his gameplan is to give up open 3s.

Im sorry, I kind of got carried away 😀

 

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 Exactly what I said in a previous post. Jason Kidd does not put Jabari in position to succeed more. I said Jason Kidd turned him into a spot up corner 3 point shooter and rim runner and that Jason Kidd should give him the ball in the high post, let him post up, and be a PnR handler more. I even gave facts to why Jabari should get the ball more, he was actually great at those 3 things, I got negged for it. LOL.

I believe Jabari could be averaging 25 points right now if he had a competent offensive coach.

 

[airenn34Participant]

If there is one thing Henson can do is play defense. I know you are a Duke fan so I can understand why you would bash him.

[airenn34Participant]

If there is one thing Henson can do is play defense. I know you are a Duke fan so I can understand why you would bash him.

[nill650Participant]

 has a pic of whiteside and thinks Parkers success equates to Wiggins not passing him by to win the race…we are only on the first leg of the trip folks and Wiggins ceiling is still higher. I had to remind the OP in another love for Parker post that despite all of Jabari’s achievements offensively on a team so long and athletic ( except for him) that demands playing big against it slows down the defensive presence against him on most nights. He has been in the perfect situation to thrive offensively as the 2nd option. He will soon be the 3rd option and come down to earth again with the return of Middleton.

Wiggins still averages more points per and is by far the better athlete.

the op doesn’t value that, only uses stats to justify what constitutes all that will ever be. this is ignorant. 

Parker is "playing better" but not much better, he still not the better longterm prospect because despite his accolades by the op he has already reached his ceiling and Wiggins has not.

talk to us in 3 yrs and we’ll see who was right.

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

1.) This is a pictire of Anthony Davis not Hassan Whiteside

2.) LOL. If you don’t believe Jabari Parker long and athletic.

3.) Stats suggest both are bad defensive players, don’t know why you single out Jabari defensive liability when all numbers suggest he’s the better defensive players.

4.) They still have a top 10 defense with him, TWolves can’t say that.

5.) Jabari Parker averages more points per minute, rebounds per minute, and assist per minute. He averages more points because he plays 37 minures a game when Jabari Parker plays 34 minutes a game.

6.) I clealy suggested eye test as well and used shooting splits. Every metric suggest that Jabari is playing much better than Wiggins.

7.) He’s not in a perfect situation with the Bucks, Jason Kidd is a trash offensive coach. It says something that Wiggins have all the oppotunity and he’s still producing less than Parker.

8.) Stop calling others ignorant when people have different opinions that you and bring facts to the table, when you only bring in opinions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[nill650Participant]

 Instead of being hometown biased which you clearly are ,I  know Jabari played at your highschool and won 4 state championships further inflating your infatuation. 

Who would you rather defend ? Who would you rather have guarding you? 

Stop playing the stats don’t lie game and deal with real facts…

What you do is not what you will do unless you never improve. You keep complaining that Wiggins hasn’t developed etc. Well neither has Parker using your scale of improving.

I am not a Canadian so don’t do it. 

Why do you have a pic of the brow wearing a heat jersey ?

I think jabari ceiling is achieved … I think Wiggins will exceed him. No statline can counter that opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I still think Wiggins upside is higher. Wings take a long long time to develop comoared to forwards and Wiggins is no where near reaching his potential. Funny thing is oredraft I said Jabari Parker would be better immediately and Wiggins would need time to develop and got bashed for it.

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 I believe they are set into this league and we should stop with all this "upside" talk and talk about who is the better player. This is there third year in the NBA and he didn’t face any injury that set him back or anything like that. We already have a sense of  what kind of player he is and what he’s going to be. Its time to let the word "upside" go when players in the league for 3+ years. That cannot be the primary excuse to why Wiggins is not developed to what the player he was projected to be. And we need to stop using upside to dismiss the argument like Jabari don’t gave upside as well/

[HitsterParticipant]

 The who was better debate has been raging forb probably 4 plus years now. I agree that Wiggins is the better athlete and has played over 60 games more than Parker.

Despite both guys being seen as franchise players and putting up good numbers in the NBA, we can argue that neither is the top man on their team and neither is certainly the main ball user for their team.

I’d say Wiggins has played/is playing under better coaches and may have more talent around him at the moment despite Jabari having Giannis as his main man.

Both guys also play different positions so to judge them is always subjective. I’d probably still say that Wiggins has a bit more upside but I can see both guys being top players over the next decade if they stay sound.

 

 

 

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