[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 If igoudala were to retire today has he already done enough to warrant consideration for the HOF? I believe so and I think his odds of getting in are very good. 

The case against igoudala will be that he was most valuable and will be best remembered as a role player. He was never really comfortable in a go to role. The sixers tried that early in his career and it didn’t really work, although he did put up some pretty impressive individual stats. Detractors will say he was a guy that had to latch onto superstar talent to win.

However, the difference between igoudala and guys like horry, Fisher, battier, etc. is that he far more accomplished individually. He has made an all-star team, an all-defensive team, an Olympic gold, and a finals mvp. How many players who have won a finals mvp aren’t in the hof or pretty much a lock to go? Cedric maxwell is about the only one I can think of. In his younger days, he was arguably one of the best overall wing players in the league. As he got older, he sacrificed stats for the chance to win and blended his game seemlessly to fit alongside more talented players. We always complain about guys who seem to value stats at the expense of winning but with iggy it’s clearly the other way around.

So what are your thoughts on igoudalas HOF chances and does he deserve to get in in your opinion?

 

 

 

 

[sweaterflexParticipant]

I believe Iggy should be in the Hall, but I don’t think he’ll make it. Here’s a quick look at how he ranks against other wings in the 3-point era (ignore Dr. J and Bernard King, this doesn’t cover the 70s).  

Iggy has outperformed some volume scorers from earlier eras who are in the Hall (Richmond, English,’Nique) and is dead even on a per minute basis with Vince Carter and Ray Allen. He was the 4th best perimeter defender of his era after Gerald Wallace, Shawn Marion, and Kawhi (LeBron comes and goes). He has three rings and one Finals MVP, and he played better in the playoffs by BPM. 

His case is right on the borderline, but he should add at least one more ring, and he was a clear difference maker in the Rockets series, where 2/3 of their wins came with him on the bench. It could also be that some players who got in in down years (sorry Alex English) wouldn’t get in the Hall now due to a strong crop of retiring players. I think he ends up in the Hall of Very Good.

 

 

[TRC1991Participant]

There’s no way he’s a hall-of-famer.

0 seasons with 20+ ppg

1 all-star appearance

0x all NBA 1st, 2nd, or 3rd team

Career average of: 12.6 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 4.4 apg

[whiteflashParticipant]

 Agreed. Love his game but he’s not even close to a HOF’er.

[Evan_MilbergParticipant]

The part that makes it hard is that he has a Finals MVP. Fun fact: every NBA Finals MVP from 1969-2002 except Cedric Maxwell and Tim Duncan is in the Hall. Timmy’s a lock when he’s eligible though, so really Maxwell is the lone exception. 

So the question, for me, is how much better is Iguodala’s career compared to Maxwell’s? On paper, it would seem like Iguodala accomplished more, as Maxwell never made an All-Star game or All-Defensive team. However, I would contend Maxwell’s career was more impressive because his prime years elevated the 80s Celtics, whereas Iggy posted mostly empty stats in his prime in Philly. So I think with that as a basis, Iggy doesn’t make it in. 

 

 

[CoachWyersParticipant]

 No way Iguodala is a Hall of Famer.  In my eyes you need to make an All NBA Team/All NBA Defensive Team/MVP/Most Improved/ROY/All Star Game/DPOY (basically some kind of recognition) in more than half your seasons in the league to be considered for the Hall of Fame.  

Hall of Fame should only be for players who were amongst the best of their era in the league or else it gets too watered down.

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 But there are plenty of players currently in the HOF who don’t fit that criteria. And if the precedent has already been set that you don’t have to be one of the best individual players of your era to make the HOF, is it really fair to raise the standards now. It’s not like you can kick anyone out.

[CoachWyersParticipant]

 That’s just my opinion on what you need to get in, there are tons of players in the HOF that I don’t think deserve to be in.

[whiteflashParticipant]

 That’s pretty much how I view it. If you weren’t one of the 3 or so best players at your position for an extended period then you’re not a HOF’er. Hell, Chris Webber was a perennial MVP candidate and might be one of the 10 best PF’s of all time and he isn’t in yet.

[RUDEBOY-Participant]

 I Believe some Voters have a vendetta against Webber. In his first year of Eligibility he didn’t receive a vote for Consideration. He didn’t make the final ballot until 2 years ago. 

[whiteflashParticipant]

 Unbelievable. 

[CoachWyersParticipant]

 To me Webber doesn’t deserve to get in.  He only made 5 All Star Games in a 15 year career (1/3 of his career), same with All NBA only 5 times and only once 1st team.  He was a very good player, but not a Hall of Famer.

[whiteflashParticipant]

 HOF isn’t just pro’s, but even if it were he deserves it. Kobe Bryant only has one MVP despite the fact he was the best player in the league for a decade. Webber making 5 AS teams shouldn’t be held against him.

[CoachWyersParticipant]

 Webber should make it as part of the "Fab Five".  That group deserves to be put in the HOF because they were iconic for college basketball and changed basketball culture into the hip hop culture it is still tied into today.

[RUDEBOY-Participant]

 C Webb ranks among the top 50 all time in several Categories.

[Evan_MilbergParticipant]

Honestly, the only reason Webber didn’t make more All-Star games is because he played in an era of basketball stacked with all-time greats at PF, not because he wasn’t good enough. In the 90s you had Malone, Barkley and Kemp, and in the ‘00s you had Duncan, Garnett and Nowitzki. Imagine year after year having to compete for votes with those guys. Someone’s always gonna get snubbed. 

[whiteflashParticipant]

 That and he was injured pretty often. If he had played more 70+ game seasons he’d have made 10 ASG’s. 

[XYRYXParticipant]

Well that’s true but he also had to deal with Timmy, KG and Dirk for his career and these guys were also locks for All Star and All NBA teams. This strengthens the case that you have to be top 3 at your position for many years to be considered a HOF but competition should also be taken into consideration. 

There aren’t many post players who I liked to watch more than Webber in his prime. His passing game for example was ahead of KGs and Timmy’s for example and he had so many nice moves. I can really see why some would argue he hasn’t the vita to be considered a HOF and I‘m the first to admit he could have a better career if you take his immense talent into account but his numbers still are impressive and he had a stellar career. 

If Webber is only a borderline HOFer then Iggy has no business beeing in the discussion. Remember when the Spurs almost won the finals and Danny Green almost won finals MVP? You need to draw a line at some point where you devide greatness from beeing a good player who had a great finals series and while Iggy for sure is very talented, does he belong into hr HOF? 

[OhCanada-Participant]

Chris Webber is easily one of the best PF’s of alltime and deserves to be in the hall of fame.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 Did he make any Defensive teams?

At this point he might need these accolades from here on out (at a minimum): All Defensive 2nd team, 6th man of the Year Award, two more championships.  Another Finals MVP Award would help, but I seriously doubt he will get one.

His best option now, is to have a bounce back year this year, get 6th man of the year and wind up on the All Defensive 2nd team, then hope the Warriors can get a 4peat.  Then his personal accolades PLUS his five titles (and a 4peat) would bolster his case.

 

 

 

 

[RUDEBOY-Participant]

 I was viewing Basketball Reference chance of HOF Chances . Iggy is 0.0610. Derrick Rose 0.1052. Isaiah Thomas 0.0705. John Wall 0.2936.  Kevin Love 0.6758. CP3 is rated a little higher than Curry.

[whiteflashParticipant]

 Paul being ranked ahead of Curry there is insane.

[RUDEBOY-Participant]

 Yeah Basketball Reference has Curry chance of making HOF at 97.7. CP3 was 100 so was Lebron,KD,Wade & Dirk. Melo was 94. Vince Carter & Tony Parker was 93. I don’t remember what % PG & Boogie was at , but it was low. But if they continues at their current pace they’ll make it.

[ThenilonatorParticipant]

 Boogie is on track to be hall of fame……. I’ve heard it all now!!!

[mowestenParticipant]

 Put everybody in. If you played three minutes of a D League game or once won a game of PIG in the driveway against your 74 year old grandpa, HOF. 

[cohenbc1Participant]

I’m an Iggy fan but he has no case whatsoever for the HOF. If his case is based on what he’s done with the Warriors, then guys like Kerr, Horry and Michael Cooper should also be in.

If it’s based on what he did before, with the 76ers and Nuggets, then any number of guys who posted nice stats and were a top-2 player on good but forgettable teams should be in (Luol Deng? Rashard Lewis? Deron Williams?)

Adding the two things together doesn’t make his case any better, it’s just saying here are two ways in which he is not close to a HOF player.

Cornbread Maxwell has a much stronger case. He was the 2nd best player on the Celtics for the first three years of the Bird era, and arguably one of the top 5 forwards during that span. His career was cut short by injuries though.

 

 

 

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Cedric maxwell never made an all-star team, all-nba or was recognized for any other individual award during his career besides finals mvp once. He had far fewer productive seasons than igoudala and has career averages of about 12 ppg 6 rpg. I have a hard time seeing how he has a stronger case than igoudala.

[cohenbc1Participant]

From 1980-82, Maxwell ranked 3rd, 7th and 18th in the NBA in win shares, per basketballreference.com. 

Iguodala’s best years by win shares were 21st in ’08, 23rd in ’09 and 21st in ’12. You’re right that Iggy had more productive seasons — for example, 9 seasons with six or more win shares, vs. 6 seasons for Cornbread.

Iggy has been steadier and sturdier, but his highs never came close to Maxwell’s, who for a couple years was the best forward in the game not named Bird, Dr. J or Marques Johnson.

I don’t really think either belong in the Hall of Fame.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Interesting one – I can see there being some case for it as he has had a consistent career and been on three title winning teams. Putting aside the Superstars on the successful teams I’d think Iggy sits a bit behind Tony Parker and Manu but ahead of MVP and Odom of supporting type players on powerhouse teams.

[vulture711Participant]

 He was and is a nice role player – and a good guy.  Hall of famer he is not

[beerandhiphopParticipant]

 Iggy a hofer? Smh. Might as well make the case for ron harper. Lmao or how about glen big dog robinson on that spurs team!?!loooool whats happening to this place….

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