[RICO 1981Participant]

I was looking at the highschool rankings (based off NBA potential) and Drummond was ahead of Muhammed.  Now if this is based off NBA potential and most are saying that Drummond’s high side is like STAT or D.Howard while Muhammed’s like Kobe, wouldn’t most people pick Kobe over STAT or D.Howard? I mean if you could get Kobe in his prime and or D.Howard wouldn’t you pick Kobe? Just wanted to see what everybody thought about that. 

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

NBA is a game of size and even though Kobe may be the best player, finding a center who is athletic like Dwight and strong is harder to find IMO.

Thats why I believe Drummond is ahead of Muhammed. Shabazz may end up being better, who knows! But GMs drool over a once in a life time big man who they can build around and Andre Drummond looks like the next big thing in big men 

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

NBA is a game of size and even though Kobe may be the best player, finding a center who is athletic like Dwight and strong is harder to find IMO.

Thats why I believe Drummond is ahead of Muhammed. Shabazz may end up being better, who knows! But GMs drool over a once in a life time big man who they can build around and Andre Drummond looks like the next big thing in big men 

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

NBA is a game of size and even though Kobe may be the best player, finding a center who is athletic like Dwight and strong is harder to find IMO.

Thats why I believe Drummond is ahead of Muhammed. Shabazz may end up being better, who knows! But GMs drool over a once in a life time big man who they can build around and Andre Drummond looks like the next big thing in big men 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Does not mean you are going to BE that player. Shabazz is a fantastic player, he and Andre have clearly seemed to have separate themselves from the rest of the pack. But, just because Shabazz is being compared to Kobe Bryant does not necessarily make him Kobe Bryant. The same can be said for Drummond. These guys are still there own player, and while Shabazz is the better player at this current level, it is hard to overlook the insane combination of size and athleticism that Andre possesses. So, if you are asking whether you would take Kobe over Amare and Dwight, than yes, you would.

I think people tend to take these comparisons far to seriously, and I think that while Shabazz may indeed be an upper echelon SG, he more than likely will not be Kobe Bryant. Andre may not be STAT or DH, but I personally am still under the impression that he may indeed be the best NBA prospect in this class. Call me a dreamer, but we really do not know the future of either player. What I do know is that at the time that Kobe Bryant was drafted, had Dwight Howard or Amare Stoudemire been in the same draft, would he be such an obvious choice?

I mean, Marshon Brooks was compared to Kobe as well. Player comparisons are inevitable, but they sometimes inflate expectations completely. This, to me, could be a case of doing so. Shabazz vs. Andre will be an on going discussion, and if you think you are getting Kobe Bryant, of course you take Shabazz. It still does not mean that he will be. Same can be said about Andre, but I personally think he could be too much to pass up.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Does not mean you are going to BE that player. Shabazz is a fantastic player, he and Andre have clearly seemed to have separate themselves from the rest of the pack. But, just because Shabazz is being compared to Kobe Bryant does not necessarily make him Kobe Bryant. The same can be said for Drummond. These guys are still there own player, and while Shabazz is the better player at this current level, it is hard to overlook the insane combination of size and athleticism that Andre possesses. So, if you are asking whether you would take Kobe over Amare and Dwight, than yes, you would.

I think people tend to take these comparisons far to seriously, and I think that while Shabazz may indeed be an upper echelon SG, he more than likely will not be Kobe Bryant. Andre may not be STAT or DH, but I personally am still under the impression that he may indeed be the best NBA prospect in this class. Call me a dreamer, but we really do not know the future of either player. What I do know is that at the time that Kobe Bryant was drafted, had Dwight Howard or Amare Stoudemire been in the same draft, would he be such an obvious choice?

I mean, Marshon Brooks was compared to Kobe as well. Player comparisons are inevitable, but they sometimes inflate expectations completely. This, to me, could be a case of doing so. Shabazz vs. Andre will be an on going discussion, and if you think you are getting Kobe Bryant, of course you take Shabazz. It still does not mean that he will be. Same can be said about Andre, but I personally think he could be too much to pass up.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Does not mean you are going to BE that player. Shabazz is a fantastic player, he and Andre have clearly seemed to have separate themselves from the rest of the pack. But, just because Shabazz is being compared to Kobe Bryant does not necessarily make him Kobe Bryant. The same can be said for Drummond. These guys are still there own player, and while Shabazz is the better player at this current level, it is hard to overlook the insane combination of size and athleticism that Andre possesses. So, if you are asking whether you would take Kobe over Amare and Dwight, than yes, you would.

I think people tend to take these comparisons far to seriously, and I think that while Shabazz may indeed be an upper echelon SG, he more than likely will not be Kobe Bryant. Andre may not be STAT or DH, but I personally am still under the impression that he may indeed be the best NBA prospect in this class. Call me a dreamer, but we really do not know the future of either player. What I do know is that at the time that Kobe Bryant was drafted, had Dwight Howard or Amare Stoudemire been in the same draft, would he be such an obvious choice?

I mean, Marshon Brooks was compared to Kobe as well. Player comparisons are inevitable, but they sometimes inflate expectations completely. This, to me, could be a case of doing so. Shabazz vs. Andre will be an on going discussion, and if you think you are getting Kobe Bryant, of course you take Shabazz. It still does not mean that he will be. Same can be said about Andre, but I personally think he could be too much to pass up.

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[B-ball fanParticipant]

 A big man of the same level of a wing player can impact the game more than the wing because of the need for a big man to protect the basket.  Derrick Rose and Kevin Durant are incredible players, but they aren’t as valuable as Dwight Howard because Howard is a game changer on both ends of the floor.  Of course, if Drummond becomes an Amare-esque defender, then he could be less coveted since it is hard to make up for having weak interior defenders.  

Also, it is much harder to find two-way threats at the center position than the wing positions.  Centers are less replaceable than wings.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 A big man of the same level of a wing player can impact the game more than the wing because of the need for a big man to protect the basket.  Derrick Rose and Kevin Durant are incredible players, but they aren’t as valuable as Dwight Howard because Howard is a game changer on both ends of the floor.  Of course, if Drummond becomes an Amare-esque defender, then he could be less coveted since it is hard to make up for having weak interior defenders.  

Also, it is much harder to find two-way threats at the center position than the wing positions.  Centers are less replaceable than wings.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 A big man of the same level of a wing player can impact the game more than the wing because of the need for a big man to protect the basket.  Derrick Rose and Kevin Durant are incredible players, but they aren’t as valuable as Dwight Howard because Howard is a game changer on both ends of the floor.  Of course, if Drummond becomes an Amare-esque defender, then he could be less coveted since it is hard to make up for having weak interior defenders.  

Also, it is much harder to find two-way threats at the center position than the wing positions.  Centers are less replaceable than wings.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

Muhammad is nowhere near the athlete Kobe was, nor do I think he is nearly as skilled as Kobe coming out of high school.  In my opinion the Kobe comparison is way off, to me he’s like a slightly more athletic James Harden.

 

In terms of potential Drummond is head and shoulders above Muhammad.  Drummond is one of the best big men prospects that I can remember.  He ranks up there with Oden, Howard, and KG in terms of prospects coming out of high school.  If he reaches his full potential he will become a dominant superstar.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

Muhammad is nowhere near the athlete Kobe was, nor do I think he is nearly as skilled as Kobe coming out of high school.  In my opinion the Kobe comparison is way off, to me he’s like a slightly more athletic James Harden.

 

In terms of potential Drummond is head and shoulders above Muhammad.  Drummond is one of the best big men prospects that I can remember.  He ranks up there with Oden, Howard, and KG in terms of prospects coming out of high school.  If he reaches his full potential he will become a dominant superstar.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

Muhammad is nowhere near the athlete Kobe was, nor do I think he is nearly as skilled as Kobe coming out of high school.  In my opinion the Kobe comparison is way off, to me he’s like a slightly more athletic James Harden.

 

In terms of potential Drummond is head and shoulders above Muhammad.  Drummond is one of the best big men prospects that I can remember.  He ranks up there with Oden, Howard, and KG in terms of prospects coming out of high school.  If he reaches his full potential he will become a dominant superstar.

[8H0P4Participant]

… *wait for it*….. #Shabazz look both guys are good and this high school class of 2012 is gonna be a good one with these heading the class. But Drummond, as an elite big man, is more rare than Shabazz. Look at it like this. Drummond could go to damn near any school in the country and start, with the exception of maybe UNC because of there team chemistry, skill, and experience, and Duke, just because im trying hard not to be biased, but with the exceptions of those schools, Drummond could start. Its way more schools that Shabazz wouldnt start than that of Drummond, as Drummond is rare. The average college center is not as skilled, polished, and has as much upseide as Andre. Now I could name 10 wing players right now in the 2-3 wing player range with more upside than Shabazz. (not going to do so that unline button would begin to go H.A.M. like Jay-Z say) lol. I would love to see Shabazz at UCLA or Arizona and would like to see Drummond at UCONN, Syracuse, or Georgetown.  

 

[8H0P4Participant]

… *wait for it*….. #Shabazz look both guys are good and this high school class of 2012 is gonna be a good one with these heading the class. But Drummond, as an elite big man, is more rare than Shabazz. Look at it like this. Drummond could go to damn near any school in the country and start, with the exception of maybe UNC because of there team chemistry, skill, and experience, and Duke, just because im trying hard not to be biased, but with the exceptions of those schools, Drummond could start. Its way more schools that Shabazz wouldnt start than that of Drummond, as Drummond is rare. The average college center is not as skilled, polished, and has as much upseide as Andre. Now I could name 10 wing players right now in the 2-3 wing player range with more upside than Shabazz. (not going to do so that unline button would begin to go H.A.M. like Jay-Z say) lol. I would love to see Shabazz at UCLA or Arizona and would like to see Drummond at UCONN, Syracuse, or Georgetown.  

 

[8H0P4Participant]

… *wait for it*….. #Shabazz look both guys are good and this high school class of 2012 is gonna be a good one with these heading the class. But Drummond, as an elite big man, is more rare than Shabazz. Look at it like this. Drummond could go to damn near any school in the country and start, with the exception of maybe UNC because of there team chemistry, skill, and experience, and Duke, just because im trying hard not to be biased, but with the exceptions of those schools, Drummond could start. Its way more schools that Shabazz wouldnt start than that of Drummond, as Drummond is rare. The average college center is not as skilled, polished, and has as much upseide as Andre. Now I could name 10 wing players right now in the 2-3 wing player range with more upside than Shabazz. (not going to do so that unline button would begin to go H.A.M. like Jay-Z say) lol. I would love to see Shabazz at UCLA or Arizona and would like to see Drummond at UCONN, Syracuse, or Georgetown.  

 

[hiphopismylifeParticipant]

Yeah I don’t really see the Shabazz/Kobe comparison. He’s more of a raw athlete. Kobe was so skilled that people thought he might be a point guard in the NBA. Shabazz is good and fun to watch, but i’m not on the bandwagon as far as him being a surefire NBA star yet.

He’s not nearly good enough with the ball yet to warrant a Kobe comparison. At this point I still consider him a 3.

As far as debating him vs. Drummond, Muhammad’s drive, competitiveness, and continued development do make for an interesting debate. If Drummond is in fact staying for another year of high school because he’s scared that college will hurt his stock, that would raise a major question mark.

I would take Muhammad long term. I just don’t think you can go wrong if you consistently take guys like that who are committed to getting better and always play hard. I think playing hard is innate, and is the ultimate indicator of someone’s competitiveness. Banking on somebody growing out of a habit of coasting is a risk. It’s hard to find an NBA superstar who hasn’t always carried himself with atleast the desire to be great. I still question that about Drummond, as talented as he is. On the other hand, although I don’t consider Muhammad as elite a talent as so many make him out to be, I think he wants it and will ultimately reach his potential.

[hiphopismylifeParticipant]

Yeah I don’t really see the Shabazz/Kobe comparison. He’s more of a raw athlete. Kobe was so skilled that people thought he might be a point guard in the NBA. Shabazz is good and fun to watch, but i’m not on the bandwagon as far as him being a surefire NBA star yet.

He’s not nearly good enough with the ball yet to warrant a Kobe comparison. At this point I still consider him a 3.

As far as debating him vs. Drummond, Muhammad’s drive, competitiveness, and continued development do make for an interesting debate. If Drummond is in fact staying for another year of high school because he’s scared that college will hurt his stock, that would raise a major question mark.

I would take Muhammad long term. I just don’t think you can go wrong if you consistently take guys like that who are committed to getting better and always play hard. I think playing hard is innate, and is the ultimate indicator of someone’s competitiveness. Banking on somebody growing out of a habit of coasting is a risk. It’s hard to find an NBA superstar who hasn’t always carried himself with atleast the desire to be great. I still question that about Drummond, as talented as he is. On the other hand, although I don’t consider Muhammad as elite a talent as so many make him out to be, I think he wants it and will ultimately reach his potential.

[hiphopismylifeParticipant]

Yeah I don’t really see the Shabazz/Kobe comparison. He’s more of a raw athlete. Kobe was so skilled that people thought he might be a point guard in the NBA. Shabazz is good and fun to watch, but i’m not on the bandwagon as far as him being a surefire NBA star yet.

He’s not nearly good enough with the ball yet to warrant a Kobe comparison. At this point I still consider him a 3.

As far as debating him vs. Drummond, Muhammad’s drive, competitiveness, and continued development do make for an interesting debate. If Drummond is in fact staying for another year of high school because he’s scared that college will hurt his stock, that would raise a major question mark.

I would take Muhammad long term. I just don’t think you can go wrong if you consistently take guys like that who are committed to getting better and always play hard. I think playing hard is innate, and is the ultimate indicator of someone’s competitiveness. Banking on somebody growing out of a habit of coasting is a risk. It’s hard to find an NBA superstar who hasn’t always carried himself with atleast the desire to be great. I still question that about Drummond, as talented as he is. On the other hand, although I don’t consider Muhammad as elite a talent as so many make him out to be, I think he wants it and will ultimately reach his potential.

[HitsterParticipant]

Shabazz is an off the wall prospect and could well be the top pick in the 2013 draft and Andre is a monster whose size maybe comes along with that skillset once every 5 years at minimum. At one time Andre would have been the clear top prospect as "Size Mattered" but since 2008 backcourters seem to have been in vogue so Shabazz could be considered an equal prospect.

A few weeks ago Shabazz was being compared to D-Wade, this has now gone up to Kobe so he must be considered that good but I’d like to know which Kobe we are talking about? The guy picked 14th or the franchise Kobe of say 2002/03 onwards.

Personally I slightly prefer Andre as a prospect but it could all depend where they end up and any GM getting either would surely be very happy.

[HitsterParticipant]

Shabazz is an off the wall prospect and could well be the top pick in the 2013 draft and Andre is a monster whose size maybe comes along with that skillset once every 5 years at minimum. At one time Andre would have been the clear top prospect as "Size Mattered" but since 2008 backcourters seem to have been in vogue so Shabazz could be considered an equal prospect.

A few weeks ago Shabazz was being compared to D-Wade, this has now gone up to Kobe so he must be considered that good but I’d like to know which Kobe we are talking about? The guy picked 14th or the franchise Kobe of say 2002/03 onwards.

Personally I slightly prefer Andre as a prospect but it could all depend where they end up and any GM getting either would surely be very happy.

[HitsterParticipant]

Shabazz is an off the wall prospect and could well be the top pick in the 2013 draft and Andre is a monster whose size maybe comes along with that skillset once every 5 years at minimum. At one time Andre would have been the clear top prospect as "Size Mattered" but since 2008 backcourters seem to have been in vogue so Shabazz could be considered an equal prospect.

A few weeks ago Shabazz was being compared to D-Wade, this has now gone up to Kobe so he must be considered that good but I’d like to know which Kobe we are talking about? The guy picked 14th or the franchise Kobe of say 2002/03 onwards.

Personally I slightly prefer Andre as a prospect but it could all depend where they end up and any GM getting either would surely be very happy.

[RICO 1981Participant]

Just for the record I’m not saying Shabazz is Kobe or Andre is Superman, I was just saying if that ranking is going by highest ceiling i think Shabazz should be ranked higher due to Kobe being better that Dwight Howard

[RICO 1981Participant]

Just for the record I’m not saying Shabazz is Kobe or Andre is Superman, I was just saying if that ranking is going by highest ceiling i think Shabazz should be ranked higher due to Kobe being better that Dwight Howard

[RICO 1981Participant]

Just for the record I’m not saying Shabazz is Kobe or Andre is Superman, I was just saying if that ranking is going by highest ceiling i think Shabazz should be ranked higher due to Kobe being better that Dwight Howard

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