[dborlackParticipant]

Stephan A Smith reported today that knicks and 76ers have a had conversations on a trade centered around Stoudemire and Shumpert for a possible low draft pick/non-guaranteed contract. Any thoughts to this move for the sixers?

[vulture711Participant]

 These rumors are all over the place with the Sixers – Lin, Amare.  As players why would I take on $25 Million is salary for two bozos ?  When we don’t want to win ?

Every team with a cap problem is mentioned as talking to Philly.  Here’s what I would do:

We’ll take those 2 off your hands if you include Tim Hardaway Jr and a future 1st.  We’ll start Hardaway and waive the other 2 – Thanks Sam Hinkie

                                                                                                              

[Clean187Participant]

Hardaway has to be the dangling carrot here, as I find it hard to believe they’d help the Knicks clear cap space just out of the goodness of their heart.

[Clean187Participant]

Hardaway has to be the dangling carrot here, as I find it hard to believe they’d help the Knicks clear cap space just out of the goodness of their heart.

[vulture711Participant]

 These rumors are all over the place with the Sixers – Lin, Amare.  As players why would I take on $25 Million is salary for two bozos ?  When we don’t want to win ?

Every team with a cap problem is mentioned as talking to Philly.  Here’s what I would do:

We’ll take those 2 off your hands if you include Tim Hardaway Jr and a future 1st.  We’ll start Hardaway and waive the other 2 – Thanks Sam Hinkie

                                                                                                              

[ZarathustraParticipant]

 Looks like a good move to do,NYK clearing cap space for a good free agent in order to seduce Melo.Stoudemire can teach a bit to the young Sixers,it could be great for Noel offensive game.Amare has 1 year remaining on his contract so not a bad move for the Sixers.

[vulture711Participant]

 All he’d do is take minutes from the young guys and Shumpert sucks.  Why is every team trying to make their problems our problems ?  In the past year the rumors had us taking Asik, Lin, Amare and 6 other guys to be a dumping ground for bad salaries. We don’t want any of these guys – but if you want to attach 1st round picks or young guys who can play – give us a call

[vulture711Participant]

 All he’d do is take minutes from the young guys and Shumpert sucks.  Why is every team trying to make their problems our problems ?  In the past year the rumors had us taking Asik, Lin, Amare and 6 other guys to be a dumping ground for bad salaries. We don’t want any of these guys – but if you want to attach 1st round picks or young guys who can play – give us a call

[ZarathustraParticipant]

 Looks like a good move to do,NYK clearing cap space for a good free agent in order to seduce Melo.Stoudemire can teach a bit to the young Sixers,it could be great for Noel offensive game.Amare has 1 year remaining on his contract so not a bad move for the Sixers.

[AwrightAwrightAwrightParticipant]

I wouldn’t do it at all. Sixers have nothing to gain in such a move.

[AwrightAwrightAwrightParticipant]

I wouldn’t do it at all. Sixers have nothing to gain in such a move.

[christebasParticipant]

 The only sure thing regarding the Sixers next year is Tank, Tank and Tank some more.  Another top 5 pick next year could put them in the playoffs in 2 years.  Embid will miss the entire year in 2014-15 as will Saric, however Embid should be back 100% and Saric has a buyout after just 1 year with his Turkish team if the Sixers feel he’s ready for 2015-2016.  So, after 1 last year of tanking the Sixer should could something like MCW, Saric, Noel, Embid and next year’s number 1.  

 

[christebasParticipant]

 The only sure thing regarding the Sixers next year is Tank, Tank and Tank some more.  Another top 5 pick next year could put them in the playoffs in 2 years.  Embid will miss the entire year in 2014-15 as will Saric, however Embid should be back 100% and Saric has a buyout after just 1 year with his Turkish team if the Sixers feel he’s ready for 2015-2016.  So, after 1 last year of tanking the Sixer should could something like MCW, Saric, Noel, Embid and next year’s number 1.  

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Next year’s draft is heavy on power forwards and centers.  The top guard I can think of is Mudiay who is probably projects as a point guard.

Wonder who would be the best fit for the Sixers next year…

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Next year’s draft is heavy on power forwards and centers.  The top guard I can think of is Mudiay who is probably projects as a point guard.

Wonder who would be the best fit for the Sixers next year…

[sweaterflexParticipant]

With only Richardson and Young making more than the rookie scale or veteran’s minimum, the 76ers have to spend money on someone to reach  the salary floor.  Neither Lin nor Stoudemire will greatly improve the team, and if they can get secondary assets they might as well.  Though it is early, the 2015 draft appears to be deepest in the frontcourt, which the Sixers don’t really need to invest more in.  Extracting Tim Hardaway Jr., Shumpert, or Terrence Jones wouldn’t be terrible hauls for carrying expiring contracts. 

[sweaterflexParticipant]

With only Richardson and Young making more than the rookie scale or veteran’s minimum, the 76ers have to spend money on someone to reach  the salary floor.  Neither Lin nor Stoudemire will greatly improve the team, and if they can get secondary assets they might as well.  Though it is early, the 2015 draft appears to be deepest in the frontcourt, which the Sixers don’t really need to invest more in.  Extracting Tim Hardaway Jr., Shumpert, or Terrence Jones wouldn’t be terrible hauls for carrying expiring contracts. 

[tuck243Participant]

What’s the point for Hinkie and the Sixers moving forward?  This is a one year deal and your recent draft selections showed you don’t care about this year coming up…  So taking on Amare’s contract and getting Shump, a player they were going to trade anyway does what for you?   Everyone love themselve’s some Hinkie, so anyone care to explain his end game with this?

[tuck243Participant]

What’s the point for Hinkie and the Sixers moving forward?  This is a one year deal and your recent draft selections showed you don’t care about this year coming up…  So taking on Amare’s contract and getting Shump, a player they were going to trade anyway does what for you?   Everyone love themselve’s some Hinkie, so anyone care to explain his end game with this?

[sweaterflexParticipant]

The end game is asset collection. Hinkie is a Daryl Morey acolyte who wants to gain as many potential valuable pieces and use them to acquire superior talent, as Morey once did Harden.  Taking on bad contracts is a means to "create something from nothing" for asset gathering teams.  Hinkie does not think Shump or Amare are going to add anything to the team. The Sixers are going to be patient and take advantage of desperate teams and make their play when the window is right.

[sweaterflexParticipant]

The end game is asset collection. Hinkie is a Daryl Morey acolyte who wants to gain as many potential valuable pieces and use them to acquire superior talent, as Morey once did Harden.  Taking on bad contracts is a means to "create something from nothing" for asset gathering teams.  Hinkie does not think Shump or Amare are going to add anything to the team. The Sixers are going to be patient and take advantage of desperate teams and make their play when the window is right.

[King CaluchaParticipant]

So… a guy who didn’t learn post moves even after having sessions with Olajuwon… is going to teach offense to Noel. I don’t think Hinkie is that dumb.

[King CaluchaParticipant]

So… a guy who didn’t learn post moves even after having sessions with Olajuwon… is going to teach offense to Noel. I don’t think Hinkie is that dumb.

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

 Amare is entering his final year of his contract and the Sixers are nowhere near the cap minimum so it makes sense especially if they can get some value attatched to it. Noone on their roster is making 8 digits.

[Chilbert arenasParticipant]

 Amare is entering his final year of his contract and the Sixers are nowhere near the cap minimum so it makes sense especially if they can get some value attatched to it. Noone on their roster is making 8 digits.

[DolanCareParticipant]

Exactamundo. The Sixers get to fill up their salary artificially for a year, and then be wide open for FAs in 2015. If everything goes to plan, with their young players showing promise and skill-devlopment, Philly could be a great FA destination. 

And as a Knick fan, you have to be happy to ditch the Amare salbatross. Wish it would have happened last year, but you do what you can. 

 

 

[DolanCareParticipant]

Exactamundo. The Sixers get to fill up their salary artificially for a year, and then be wide open for FAs in 2015. If everything goes to plan, with their young players showing promise and skill-devlopment, Philly could be a great FA destination. 

And as a Knick fan, you have to be happy to ditch the Amare salbatross. Wish it would have happened last year, but you do what you can. 

 

 

[arshavin123Participant]

 but only if Knicks or any other team include 1st rounders..there’s no such thing as an untradeable contract..remember Arenas/Johnson/Rashard Lewis..

[arshavin123Participant]

 but only if Knicks or any other team include 1st rounders..there’s no such thing as an untradeable contract..remember Arenas/Johnson/Rashard Lewis..

[Ebown5Participant]

As a Sixers fan I will say no way. We can trade our cap space to other teams this year for first round picks, and I would preserve it for that. The Knicks have nothing of value that would be worth taking on that kind of salary.

If Lebron decides to go back to Cleveland then the Sixers could make out quite well by facilitating that deal as well as the subsequent one with Bosh going to Houston.

 

  

[Ebown5Participant]

As a Sixers fan I will say no way. We can trade our cap space to other teams this year for first round picks, and I would preserve it for that. The Knicks have nothing of value that would be worth taking on that kind of salary.

If Lebron decides to go back to Cleveland then the Sixers could make out quite well by facilitating that deal as well as the subsequent one with Bosh going to Houston.

 

  

[ballislyfe25Participant]

This is definitely an interesting trade for both teams. Philadelphia could get Amare and Shumpert for essentially nothing, considering the amount of picks they have stashed.

They can cut Amare and afford to eat his contract without any reprecussions. At the same time, they can pick up an asset in the form of an actual player with Shumpert. He is still young and developing and lost a lot of time due to his knee injury. He would definitely be an attractive trade chip for a contender come February’s trade deadline next season, or the Sixers can hold on to him and have him be part of the rebuilding process.

To summarize, Philadelphia helps New York create cap space because they will pick up an extra asset. Seems like something Sam Hinicke would definitely consider, at the least.

[ballislyfe25Participant]

This is definitely an interesting trade for both teams. Philadelphia could get Amare and Shumpert for essentially nothing, considering the amount of picks they have stashed.

They can cut Amare and afford to eat his contract without any reprecussions. At the same time, they can pick up an asset in the form of an actual player with Shumpert. He is still young and developing and lost a lot of time due to his knee injury. He would definitely be an attractive trade chip for a contender come February’s trade deadline next season, or the Sixers can hold on to him and have him be part of the rebuilding process.

To summarize, Philadelphia helps New York create cap space because they will pick up an extra asset. Seems like something Sam Hinicke would definitely consider, at the least.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

It does not pass the sniff test for New York. If the Knicks keep Melo for a 5-year $129 million deal and the rumor propsed went through, they will not have much in the way of cap space. If they were to rid themselves of all their non-guaranteed deals (Odom, Tyler, and Brown), they would have nine players under contract along with empty roster spot cap holds and possibly some dead Metta money. If you assume there is no Metta money, they would only have around $4 million in cap space. If Dalembert is waived,  it only goes up by about $1 million ($1.8 million plus the empty roster spot hold as opposed to $3.867 million). If they keep Brown, Tyler, Odom, and Dalembert, they only have $1-2 million in cap space. If the cap is projected to rise to $66.5 million in 2015-16, and that really is the summer where they have flexibility, why deal Amare now? Depending on where their 2015 draft pick slots in, they could have $20 million plus in cap room available along with Melo, Calderon, Hardaway, and Larkin. Why press the issue now, and to accomplish what? If Melo leaves, they would have a good deal of cap room this summer, but holding a roster that explains why there is so much cap room.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

It does not pass the sniff test for New York. If the Knicks keep Melo for a 5-year $129 million deal and the rumor propsed went through, they will not have much in the way of cap space. If they were to rid themselves of all their non-guaranteed deals (Odom, Tyler, and Brown), they would have nine players under contract along with empty roster spot cap holds and possibly some dead Metta money. If you assume there is no Metta money, they would only have around $4 million in cap space. If Dalembert is waived,  it only goes up by about $1 million ($1.8 million plus the empty roster spot hold as opposed to $3.867 million). If they keep Brown, Tyler, Odom, and Dalembert, they only have $1-2 million in cap space. If the cap is projected to rise to $66.5 million in 2015-16, and that really is the summer where they have flexibility, why deal Amare now? Depending on where their 2015 draft pick slots in, they could have $20 million plus in cap room available along with Melo, Calderon, Hardaway, and Larkin. Why press the issue now, and to accomplish what? If Melo leaves, they would have a good deal of cap room this summer, but holding a roster that explains why there is so much cap room.

[burgessfourParticipant]

 since the options seem to be write a check to get to the cap floor or take a few contracts, I’ll take a few contracts. I just don’t see any value in Amare and Shumpert, Shumpert does nothing for me. Hardaway Jr. I could see being a strong rotation player for the Sixers, I would carry Amare to get him. As for Lin, Houston needs to throw a 1st into the deal. Lin’s a pretty good PG, the Sixers may be able to move him next trade deadline to a contender with an injured PG.

[burgessfourParticipant]

 since the options seem to be write a check to get to the cap floor or take a few contracts, I’ll take a few contracts. I just don’t see any value in Amare and Shumpert, Shumpert does nothing for me. Hardaway Jr. I could see being a strong rotation player for the Sixers, I would carry Amare to get him. As for Lin, Houston needs to throw a 1st into the deal. Lin’s a pretty good PG, the Sixers may be able to move him next trade deadline to a contender with an injured PG.

[NtsapParticipant]

Coming to nyc isn’t bad and Amare coming back to the 76ers isn’t terrible . I mean they do need some good vets, and Amare has somewhat of a fan base .13 million for Amare isn’t terrible. Plus won’t ruin the tank. Jr or Shump comes back .

 

 

[NtsapParticipant]

Coming to nyc isn’t bad and Amare coming back to the 76ers isn’t terrible . I mean they do need some good vets, and Amare has somewhat of a fan base .13 million for Amare isn’t terrible. Plus won’t ruin the tank. Jr or Shump comes back .

 

 

[machu46Participant]

Everyone seems to be operating under this assumption that the cap floor works like it does in other sports, where teams are heavily penalized if they don’t hit it.  In the NBA, if they don’t hit the cap floor, all of the other players simply get a raise for the year so that they hit the cap floor.  There is no real penalty for not reaching it, so therefore, Philly has no incentive to take on Amare’s massive contract simply to hit the cap floor.

Once you put that aside, basically paying $25 million for a blah SG prospect like Hardaway or Shumpert doesn’t really make any sense.  It would likely take a young prospect and 1 or 2 first round picks to get a team to take Amare on, and New York doesn’t really have any picks to offer.

The only way that I can see New York moving Amare is if it is for a package of smaller expiring contracts, so for example, Amare would be traded for 3 expiring contracts that are about the same as Amare’s one huge expiring contract.  This would allow New York to move those smaller contracts much easier than they currently can with Amare’s.

Otherwise, I’d just do the Bargnani & Hardaway trade that Phil Jackson reportedly turned down, try to free up any other cap space that they can, and go after a guy like Lance Stephenson to bring him home to New York.  Then, just let Amare’s contract expire and try to make a splash in 2015 if possible.

But yeah, this Amare & Shumpert to Philly deal doesn’t really make any sense for Philly at all.

 

 

 

 

 

[machu46Participant]

Everyone seems to be operating under this assumption that the cap floor works like it does in other sports, where teams are heavily penalized if they don’t hit it.  In the NBA, if they don’t hit the cap floor, all of the other players simply get a raise for the year so that they hit the cap floor.  There is no real penalty for not reaching it, so therefore, Philly has no incentive to take on Amare’s massive contract simply to hit the cap floor.

Once you put that aside, basically paying $25 million for a blah SG prospect like Hardaway or Shumpert doesn’t really make any sense.  It would likely take a young prospect and 1 or 2 first round picks to get a team to take Amare on, and New York doesn’t really have any picks to offer.

The only way that I can see New York moving Amare is if it is for a package of smaller expiring contracts, so for example, Amare would be traded for 3 expiring contracts that are about the same as Amare’s one huge expiring contract.  This would allow New York to move those smaller contracts much easier than they currently can with Amare’s.

Otherwise, I’d just do the Bargnani & Hardaway trade that Phil Jackson reportedly turned down, try to free up any other cap space that they can, and go after a guy like Lance Stephenson to bring him home to New York.  Then, just let Amare’s contract expire and try to make a splash in 2015 if possible.

But yeah, this Amare & Shumpert to Philly deal doesn’t really make any sense for Philly at all.

 

 

 

 

 

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