[D HampParticipant]

I want to hear from all of the people who said last week that Dwight Howard isn’t overated. What’s you’re excuse now?! HA HA HA.

He doesn’t own a single post move. He dunks. That’s all. And all of his blocked shots are on guards 5 feet 10 inches tall. And so much for being the defensive player of the year!! Boston scored all over him last night.

Until he comes up with ONE post up move Orlando will continue to lose to inferior teams (the Boston Celtics withough Kevin Garnett) and his teammates will never go to him in the clutch! He touched the ball 3 times in the fourth quarter. He’s overated. Get him out of here.

D Hamp….. The most intelligent basketball thinker in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[Csharp3410Participant]

If im playing the Orlando Magic, i dont mind them throwing the ball into him. Make him score 40 on me. As long as you keep him out of paint….his offensive game isnt good enough yet to hurt you.

[ch15r36isParticipant]

I didn’t watch the game at all, but I have to think it was a coaching mistake by Mr. Van Gundy not to throw the ball inside to Howard more than 3 times in the 4th quarter. Maybe if they had, they would not have blown a 14-point lead. If anything, that would seem to prove that Howard is more valuable than people realize.
Obviously, his offensive game still needs a lot of work, but it’s hard for some young players to learn the finer points of the game when they can get by on pure speed, strength and athleticism 90% of the time. He also needs to learn to keep his focus on the defensive end when things are not going well on offense. That being said, he’s only 23, and his game has already improved exponentially over the last 2-3 years.
Everyone knows his flaws pretty well, and he will still be the most dominant interior force in the game for the next several years, so with that in mind, I would say he is rated just fine at the moment.

[tac_blues]

is this a joke? the guy is basically a 20 and 15 machine. who cares if he blocks 5’10” guys. at least he is blocking them, not letting them score. get a grip man, the dude can play. best center in the league, easily.

[rtbtParticipant]

Yes it’s true that his post game is seriously lacking, but he is a fantastic rebounder and shot blocker. Every coach in the league would take him in a heart beat. Just ask any championship coach why his team won and almost every one would answer that question with the same two words, defense and rebounding.

As for this series with the Celtics, Glen Davis and K. Perkins aren’t playing defense, they’re using NFL style body blocks to keep Howard away from the basket. I’m amazed how the referees allow that to happen play after play. Of course if Howard had better moves, he could possible maneuver around those cross body blocks. However, this is basketball, it isn’t the NFL.

On a side note, Perkins and Davis use moving blocks virtually every time Boston is on offense. Both of them could make a fortune in the NFL as blocking backs. Watching them get away with that mayhem is a disgrace!

[D HampParticipant]

rtbt? Are you serious. You’re best explaination is Kendrick Perkins and Glen Davis cloging the lane. Dude. Reall? You making my exact point, if he can’t get past those two ——- then he’s overated.

D Hamp….. The most intelligent basketball thinker in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[rtbtParticipant]

REBOUNDING and DEFENSE wins games! Dwight Howard is outstanding in both of those areas. Therefore, in my opinion, he is not overrated. I think every coach in the NBA would agree and love to have Howard as their center.

D Hamp, I agree wholeheartedly that his interior game is lacking. However, that doesn’t mean the NBA should allow Perkins and Davis to use NFL tactics and body blocks on every possession. One has nothing to do with the other.

Even though Howard’s interior game needs lots of work, he is potent enough to go to the foul line more than anyone else in the league. Or at least he’s in the top three. And let’s not forget that he’s still only 24 years old and has lots of time to improve.

[thparadoxParticipant]

He’s a terrific player… great rebounder. Excellent shot blocker.

His problem seems to be a mental one.

He doesn’t have any go-to moves against good defenders… how hard would it be to develop a hook shot? a good drop step?

I think he’s got a ton of talent, he clearly is a great player if he lead the league in rebounds and blocks. Perhaps he’ll become a complete player with more experience.

Not going to howard in the clutch is likely a testament to his poor FT shooting.

[deshawynkeys91Participant]

D Hamp… the most intelligent basketball thinker compared to isiah thomas!! haha

i’m sorry but anyone that thinks d. howard is overrated doesn’t know too much about basketball. the first problem with the orlando magic (yes… that’s right the ORLANDO MAGIC not d. howard) is that they constantly pass up the entry pass for a long three and anyone that knows basketball or is the GREATEST BASKETBALL THINKER should know that u don’t win titles by settling for three pointers. the only reason that orlando is in the second round of the playoffs is the fact that d. howard cleans up so many of those terrible 3pts that his teammates take. D hamp u tell me what real contender would be giving the ball to h. turkogulu in the final minutes of a playoff game and that’s not on howard thats on the coach. i live in toronto and know to well about a jump shooting team but he don’t have a d. howard to clean up the mess and u know where the raptors are.

Deshawynkeys… the professor of those lacking basketball knowledge

[grandpiedParticipant]

How bout them winning that game against the 76ers with ease when Howard was out. He has all the potential in the world but they are messing up in Orlando not teaching him any moves. He won’t be able to rely on athelticism forever.

[D HampParticipant]

Well, D Howard may have room to grow, but until then, he’s overated. And yes he lead the NBA in rebounding. He should. he’s bigger and or stronger than everyone else. Where’s his jump shot? And yeah he blocks small guards from the weak side of the lane. But he hardly blocks shots man to man. And what about his foot work. Yeah, make sure you watch next game. All of this is why he is overated. Had he not let the league in rebounding and blocks with his NATURAL size and speed, he would be Emaka Okaford… decent, but far from dangerous.

D Hamp….. The most intelligent basketball thinker in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[zruc57Participant]

Dwight is a very good player and an all-star, but I agree that he is overatted in the sense that many people but him in the category of players that can be the best player on a championship team right now. (lebron, kobe, wade etc) Personally I’d rather have a chris paul, melo, pierce, or dirk for a playoff series, but I see that this matter is debatable. Two things to note: better D is played in the playoffs, and the dunks that howard relies on for points are more available in the reg season than the playoffs. 1 on 1 scoring is often the only option in late playoff game situations and howard cant do this unless he gets the ball 2 feet from the rim. Also, Dwight plays on a team with absolutely no big men (probably more so than any other league in the team, ur pf plays like a sg, and gortat has a vertical of 10) other than himself which contributes to why his rebound totals are so high. (not to say he isnt a monster rebounder, but it def contributes) Dwight has a ton of potential though and could end up being a champion type player. but hiis devel has been slow and he is at min 2 years away from becoming a dominate offensive player, if he ever does. i guess he wont lead his team to champions. sad tho that he blamed van gundy for game 5, when its him that hasnt developed an offense move in 5 years in the league.

and the whole defense wins championships thing sounds better in cliche than in reality. and for football. Defense is important and great teams always play great D. But D is so team-based that individuals cant have the same effect on defense as some players have do on offense. the top players who lead teams to championships are offensive players First (jordan,james, magic, bird,shaq, kobe). you will never hear someone say dikembe mutumbo or ben wallace or shane battier are taking over a playoff series.

[ch15r36isParticipant]

“Had he not let the league in rebounding and blocks with his NATURAL size and speed, he would be Emaka Okaford… decent, but far from dangerous.”
So, if he wasn’t a super athlete who had NATURAL size and speed, and he didn’t lead the league in rebounding and blocks, he would just be Emeka Okafor? I guess if Lebron didn’t have NATURAL size and speed and didn’t win the MVP, he would just be Joe Johnson?

Statistically, Dwight was the best C in the league this year, and he DID lead the league in rebounding and blocks. His team won 59 games. He’s not the best player in the league, but he’s top-5.
I just don’t get the claim that he is overrated. He is what he is. At 23, he’s the best interior player in the league with room for improvement. A top-10 player in the league who has yet to reach his peak. Not an all-time great just quite yet, but he’s a presence on both ends of the floor who will only get better.
And, just so I can stop hearing this made-up argument (maybe), I would argue that less than 1% of his blocks come on 5’10” guards.

[AllenParticipant]

Hes not overrated. What makes him great is his defense and rebounding. His limited offensive game has nothing to do with his defense and rebounding

[michaelds911Participant]

Like I said before, he is a taller Ben Wallace who can shoot a little better lol. Then what made it funny is that he was trying to blame his coach. He is definitely not top 5 nba talent, he barely makes it in my top 10.

[ch15r36isParticipant]

D-Howard is now officially underrated.
Although, I love the argument that he is only good because of his size, speed, athleticism, accomplishments and statistics. I suppose if you take all those away from him, he’s really not that good.

[Csharp3410Participant]

Dont worry…before the NBA season started everyone got together and said Give the Celtics every call they need. Moving screens, flopping…that team does it all. They really shouldnt even be in the second round right now. Its funny how not 1 of the Boston Celtics has even got a fine of some sort. But Kenyon Martin pushes Weak Stick Dirk down and gets 25G’s! League is a joke.

[D HampParticipant]

ch15r36is….. Here you go again calling me out. Howard isn’t that good. Face it. He teammates don’t even respect his cluth play. THREE touches in the FOURTH QURATER. Say all you want about coaching, he’s on the bench. Do you think that would have happened to Shaq? Nope, he would have demanded the ball. AND WHERE WAS IS DEFENSE LAST NIGHT??? they blew a 14 point fourth quarter lead.

D Hamp….. The most intelligent basketball thinker in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[delfamParticipant]

Blake Griffin = Dwight Howard, athletic big with no post moves

[Al-Farouq AminuParticipant]

Superman is at least Sir Patrick Ewing, if not Hakeem Olajuwon

[Al-Farouq AminuParticipant]

Superman is no Ben Wallace, that’s a bad insult…

[sheltwon3Participant]

It is crazy how Howard doesnt get the ball. People said the same thing about a young Shaq and not having moves but he was dominant because he got the ball. Shaq dominance help out his teammates. Dwight is right regardless if he scored or not he needs to get touches. They other teams need to have to respect him on offense or else they will just continue to go man to man and treat him like his a scrub player because right now Van Gundy is turning his dominant player into just any old big man. Even with limited post moves Howard is still dominant enough to shoot a good percentage inside. He will not make all of his shot. I mean who does. Basketball is all about tactics and forcing the defense to adjust and the Magics can not do that when they deny touches to their best inside player. Also they need to trade one of their small forwards for a big man to put beside Howard. Maybe trade Hedo to Sac for Jason Thompson who can shoot perimeter shots and rebound only if Sac gets Griffin. That would give both teams a good starting 5 and put Lewis back at the 3 where he should be more comfortable.

[ch15r36isParticipant]

Dwight had a better year statistically than Kobe did. His team also swept the Lakers 2-0 in the regular season. Kobe’s clutch play was not enough to overcome Dwight Howard.

Dwight was defensive player of the year, 4th in MVP voting, will be first team All-NBA for the 2nd straight year, and I am supposed to believe that he is not one of the top 5 players in the NBA?

Either everyone else in the world is wrong or some guy named D_Hamp who can’t spell Hubie Brown half the time, and thinks Eric Devendorf is the best player ever is wrong. That’s all this comes down to, my friend.

[bdoody42Participant]

He is not overrated in my mind because we all know he doesn’t have low posts moves, beside spinning off his man and catching lobs.

Look, he is a stellar defensive player, and great rebounder. he is just the 5th person eve to lead the NBA in blocks in rebounds in the same year. All the other players were mentioned among some the best ever. Just respect him for what he is at this point.

[zruc57Participant]

howard may be top 5 for an 82 game season. in a playoff series not even close. id rather have bron, wade, kobe, duncan, kg, paul, melo, dirk leading my team. probably pierce. maybe yao. maybe manu. maybe roy. do u think its accident that the magic have blown so many huge leads these playoffs late in games?

[D HampParticipant]

I could care less about Kobe! I only said IN ANOTHER POST that he deserved the MVP. And you didn’t answer my question, where was his defense last night. Nuff said. Read the posts. Many people agree with me.

And stop bringing up Devendorf. You’re only trying to deflect how overated Howard is.

D Hamp….. The most intelligent basketball thinker in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[Al-Farouq AminuParticipant]

The most overrated player in the past decade is Steve Nash.

No wayyy he deserves 2 MVPs.
He is gonna get dunked in the face hard when I play him

[llperez]

Howard is a little overrated. When you think of great low post scorers like McHale, Olajuwon, and even Gasol, they are all able to make 2 or 3 moves depending on how the defender reacts. Howard is stiff and seems to commit to what he is gonna do regardless of how the defense reacts. That is why he ends up taking contested jump-hooks from 10 feet out. He needs a lot of work on his low post game.

And to Al Farouq Aminu, I agree that Nash should’nt have won either of those MVP’s. The funny thing is I do think he should have won the year they gave it to Dirk, but there was no way Nash was gonna get 3 straight MVP’s. The way I see it, he should have one MVP, and it was’nt either of the two he actually won.

[ch15r36isParticipant]

1 game (12pts/17reb) doesn’t make a player overrated. Him dunking too much and being too strong and athletic doesn’t make him overrated either.

Come back when you have a legitimiate argument to show that his Defensive Player of the Year, All-NBA first team, top-5 MVP voting, top-5 PER, league-leading blocks and rebounding, 2 consecutive years with playoff series wins, and 59 regular season wins at age 23 are all flukes.

[sheltwon3Participant]

I agree with that about Nash and the MVP’s. he did deserve one but it was at a time when he didn’t get it. The NBA is about trends and they wanted people to crave playmaking guards over me first ones so they hype up Steve Nash over some pretty deserving people.

[llperez]

I’m not hating on Dwight. All his accomplishments and awards are well deserved. However, when you think of the best players and MVP’s in the history of this league, they are able to put a team on their back and take over in the playoffs. Right now, I’m not seeing that from Dwight. That is why stats can be misleading, there is no column in the box score for making critical plays when they are needed most.

[billykParticipant]

Maybe if Howard went to college he would have developed some post moves…. Aminu, PLEASE DO NOT COMPARE Howard to Ewing or The Dream. I agree with scout4real about Perkins and Davis they are just bodying up Howard and their physical defense is giving him fits. Howard isnt overrated, but I would take a healthy Yao over him…

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

I hope the Magic loose the series and he demands a trade. I would love to see him in Utah or Miami. He would slay in a pick and roll offence and he and D-Wade would be be great. Howard at the center with Haslem, Beasly, Wade, and Chalmers?? OR Howard at center with Okur ( or Milsap ), maybe AK-47 or Brewer, Korver, and D-Williams. Nasty anyone??

[llperez]

So you think they would trade DHoward to Miami without the Heat having to give up any starters?

[WälseParticipant]

i really hate the term overrated in this sense because its strictly a media thing. but thats what you get when you have a fun personality, win dunk contests, and play to the crowd. basketball insiders know exactly what he is. a super athlete with limited offensive skills. did he deserve DPOY? i think so. did he deserve all NBA? yes. so in that sense he is not overrated. i dont think anyone considers him an offensive force at this point (except maybe himself) so he’s not overrated at all. al-farouq aminu, please quit with The Dream comparison because its flat terrible. do us all a favor and dont ever repeat that. i will say that “The Master of Panic” is a joke as a coach. i cant help but laugh when he’s mic’ed up in timeouts and he says things like “Lets Go” and “Rebound”. Really Coach?!!! Ron Jeremy’s NBA coaching career ends after these playoffs.

DHamp…the guy who thinks Eric Devendorf is an NBA player.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Howard may not have polish post moves but you still have to give it to him to establish the inside outside game. I said it before what post moves where people saying shaq had coming out of LSU huh. Also Howard is still young and I have noticed improvements in his inside game but he rarely gets the ball. If he was getting the ball and shooting less than 50 percent on 20 shots then there would be a problem but he isnt. He may struggle to go against bigger players but it isnt like it has neutralized him. He can still get decent numbers and put pressure on Boston’s defense. Not passing the ball to Howard is working in Boston favor. Orlando needs to live and die by their star. I know they can win by doing this.

[Al-Farouq AminuParticipant]

Even if superman improves his offensive skills, they will not sure much in his game cuz he will still utilize his athleticism 90% of the time.

The only difference will be during clutch time in which Ron Jeremy could then tell superman to have the ball…

[Al-Farouq AminuParticipant]

Let’s imagine superman masters all that hook shot skills and all the post moves that Olajuwon possessed, superman will still prefer tryig to dunk on every possession and play like he is doing right now 90% of time…

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

Kendrick Perkins guards him the best in the league. I have noticed it since last season. He has a lot of problems with Perk. Perk is a good defender who has long arms and is as tough as anyone in the league. He is very strong. Dwight struggles against him, it happens. Big baby is heavy, and strong with a lower base therfore he is tough to move. They have guys who give him problems. Dwight is still a beast, just struggles with the Celtics do to those two players.

[WälseParticipant]

if he had The Dreams moves, which he wont because he cant, he would average 40ppg. he would try to dunk, and if he couldnt he would have a bottomless bag of post tricks that would make him unguardable. and then once you triple teamed him, which would be absolutely necessary, he would throw it out to shooters. so he would probably average 10+ assists. lol. in summation, Dwight Howard with Hakeem Olajuwons skills equals a walking triple double and the greatest player of all time. Let’s just give Shaq in his prime Larry Bird’s shot and really have some fun.

[michaelds911Participant]

That means he is a dummy. Amar’e has that athleticism but he still utilizes his other skills. If Dwight had anything that resembles a decent jump-shot he could have terrorized big baby and Perkins, because if they played up on him to stop it he could then use his athleticism to blow right past them.

[dsal]

D12, SUPERMAN or whatever you wanna call him is OVERATED beyond belief. It is unreal sure he averaged 20 a clip but that off cheapies like dunks and easy lay-ins. He dont got a post move he can put to memory. All Hype not much game!!!

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

The Lakers got Gasol without giving up anything.

[Al-Farouq AminuParticipant]

That’s cuz the Grizzilies wanted to relieve salary issue and made that dumb trade that even the owner regretted for getting Kawme Brown.
Also, superman is not white and unatheletic like Gasol.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

And hes not the second best player on the number one team in the league.

[mamadouParticipant]

overrated fo’so…when people speaks about “the dream”, guys are you 15 YO ?.
D-hamp i agree…. overrated, the guy have no hands, no touch, no moves, it’s simple in the last 3 games, he mades 3 or 4 FG on 18 attempts over perk’, airballs, TO, blocks he just tastes all….perk is at the defensive end what big AL is on the offensive end, best post player, he just can’t go through or over him…so his game is” ala noah”, putbacks, tips, open dunks, or baskets on scalabrine, house….what a beast.
On the defensive end i agree too, great athleticism, and plays along outside playaz, guys who takes 5 boards a game, who makes a block every ten games, he boost his stats, logic.
DPOY if u want, he’s not a half dikembe, big ben or ZO in that area when they were…D is not only numbers, come on, he lost his head regularly for a DPOY.
Superman ?, the original have a better season in his rookie year than him in his 5th season, pliz, in a century with big mens, legit size, real bigs, great bigs, skilled bigs ala pat-dream-the admiral-zo-dikembe and co… some true PF too, not combo’s like 2 day.
i don’t speak about the muscles, too strong 4 TV, but can only move perk by an inch…pistons were right last season that’s all.

[bluedevils12Participant]

since nobody has ur back plz believe i do. I been telling ppl that dwight is overrated for sum time now and nobody has seemed 2 listen. now i got friends tellin me dam u were right he is trash. there is no need 4 dwight 2 complain about gettin the ball when he aint doin s*** when he does have it. again dwight has no moves. he is the owner of droping his shoulder and tryin 2 throw up a weak hook or a dunk and that is it. yes he plays D and rebounds but dont hype him up 2 be the best big man in the game when he cant even hit a hook shot. throw him alleys all day but dont say he is the best big man bcuz he isnt. dwight has run into another center who is strong like him and cant do a thing. this jus shows the mediocrity of centers in the league 2day

[tuck243Participant]

And for anyone else who thinks Howard is Overrated then you are an idiot too… I wouldn’t say Howard has great post moves but EVERYONE I repeat EVERYONE knew that since his rookie year… And he’s not Dream but he has the same impact on the defensive end of the floor… He’s averaging 2.2 blocks a game this series and lord knows how many he altered, not to mention rebounding…

Now the Celtics, Im not the one to make excuses but the C’s play a style of defense that is outlawed (so I thought) from the NBA… Number 1.. Perk and Davis can’t put their fore arm on the back of a player to keep them from backing down… Number 2… Perk can’t use his off arm on a player then block their shot… Number 3… This team reach in too much not to be called for fouls… Eddie House is not a defensive player and by far not a smart defensive player and for him to reach in ALL the time and nothing gets called, its become a problem… Ref’s never call hand checking on the Celtics and they ALWAYS ride players… Not to mention the illegal screens (KG was the King of this) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbB731KpKuw
… If I see Perk get mad at a call again and not get a Tech for that sheesh, Ima go mad… And the Rondo foul on Miller will never die!!!!

But Dwight Howard isn’t Overrated, the Magic players have to go to him… He’s your best player REGARDLESS of his post game or lack there of, they still have to go to him… They can only go as far as he takes them… And for your best player to only get 10 shots is terrible…

D Hamp=== He was 5 for 10… Thats 50 percent… I’ll rather take 50 percent from a player shooting 3 feet away from the bucket than taking 30 percent from 25 feet… Its common basketball sense… Well I guess not for Hubie Brown… HA HA HA HA….

[D HampParticipant]

tuck243. Why the disrespect? Not that it matters! I’ll just kill you with kindness!

Anyway, I’ve said everything I have to say on this topic. If Orlando, with Howard as it’s leader, can’t beat the Celtics without Garnett then there’s no more to this debate. And if bloggers best argument is against me is that Kendrick Perkins and Glen Davis are cloging the lane, then I really feel the need to laugh! Howard is a bully with no skills. He not even close be being a top 10 player. Maybe top 15; he’s just bigger than everyone.

D Hamp… the most intelligent basketball thinker in the world…Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[ch15r36isParticipant]

The argument for Dwight Howard being overrated:
– He is too strong and athletic
– He might not win a 2nd round playoff series against the defending champs at age 23 with his PG out for the season

The facts (sorry, this is the best argument I can come up with):
– 21 & 14 with 3 blocks and 57% from the field.
– Defensive Player of the Year
– 2-Time All-NBA First Team
– 2 Straight Years top 5 in MVP voting.
– 52 and 59 regular season wins in 2008 and 2009 seasons
– 2 Straight years with a playoff series victory
– Starting C on the 2008 Gold-Medal US Olympic team.
– Chris Paul, Dwyane Wade, Tim Duncan, Amare Stoudemire, Steve Nash and Dirk Nowitzki are now all out of the playoffs before Dwight.

You can’t name 5 players in the NBA that you would trade straight up for Dwight Howard right now.
1. Lebron
2. Maybe D-Wade.
3. No one else.

But, since Dwight doesn’t have that killer drop-step, jump shot or sky hook that Shaq obviously had, none of the facts really matter, do they?

[D HampParticipant]

Everyone, feel free to catch me on my new topic: Crowning the Denver Nuggets Champs!

D Hamp… The greatest basketball thinker in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[D HampParticipant]

Everyone, feel free to catch me on my next topic: Crowning the Denver Nuggets Champs.

D Hamp… The greatest basketball thinker in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[Al-Farouq AminuParticipant]

This kid D Hamp is unfamiliar with the sport called basketball…

[rtbtParticipant]

D Hamp, you’re right. There are obviously a number of flaws in Howard’s game. In fact, I agree with most of your criticism above, however, I think you are underrating his other attributes. Doesn’t he lead the league in rebounding? Doesn’t he make players change the arc of their shots when driving to the hoop?

Once again, most people would agree that rebounding and defense wins games and those are his two strongest attributes. If he had the kind of offensive skills you are describing, he would be the best player in the league, but that’s not the case. However, he is the best rebounding and shot blocking center in the NBA, that in itself is a pretty nifty accomplishment at the age of 24.

[rtbtParticipant]

ch15r36is:

Thanks for posting such a great example of logical thinking. At an extremely young age, Dwight Howard is clearly the first or second best center in the NBA . Many people think Yao is number one and I wouldn’t argue against that.

I think we live in a time where people expect perfection, that’s certainly true in America. Dwight Howard is an incredible talent, but he’s far from perfect on the offensive end of the court. But who knows how good he will become 3-4 years from now.

As for the Celtics series, K. Perkins and G. Davis are playing like NFL Offensive Tackles. They’re not playing defense against Howard, they’re using NFL style blocking techniques to keep him away from the rim. Their blocking angles are so good, they would make any offensive tackle proud. However, this is basketball, not football, and the refs shouldn’t allow that kind of mayhem all night long.

[joecheck88Participant]

i hate to agree with d hamp because i disagree with him most other times but he is mostly right. first you cant over rate his defense. nobody on the team guards anybody, so he helps his team and blocks shots. his rebounding you cant over rate either. but his offense is so limited he cant be a superstar player. i have said it a few times that howard is like a young alonzo mourning from the hornets. until he gets 25 14 and 3 blocks with half the turnovers he wont win a championship. i think he is capable though and he will always be one of my favorite players.

[joecheck88Participant]

and d howard is the second best center in the league behind yao but only because the center position i very weak right now. ex. i think sam dalembert was second behind howard in east all star voting.

[ch15r36isParticipant]

From basketball-reference.com

1. Wilt Chamberlain, 1963 – 31.84
2. David Robinson, 1994 – 30.66
3. Shaquille O’neal, 2000 – 30.65
4. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, 1972 – 29.94
5. George Mikan, 1954 – 28.54
6. Hakeem Olajuwon, 1993 – 27.31
7. Artis Gilmore, 1972 – 26.56
8. Patrick Ewing, 1990 – 25.77
9. Alonzo Mourning, 2000 – 25.75
10. Dwight Howard, 2009 – 25.38

[WälseParticipant]

i agree with you 100% here. “He is who we thought he was!” To call him overrated is completely stupid. We know he has no post moves. who didnt already know that? the guy makes a huge impact nonetheless. just his presence in the lane is a huge contribution that no stat can measure. should the coach instruct him to lay off the point guards and only go after the shots of big guys? perhaps, he doesnt block the shot of his man much because his man is scared to shoot. i’ve never seen so many big men throwing up floaters and finesse lay-ups and flip shots than when facing Howard. i’ve watched Dwight and Amare go head to head and i swear Amare was scared to go strong. personally i dont like Dwight Howard at all. but the guy can play and if you think he’s ” overrated” you might need to re-examine the term.

DHAMP…the guy who thinks Eric Devendorf is an NBA player.

[joecheck88Participant]

great post chr15, way to go strong. but someone will think of a way to argue.

[michaelds911Participant]

I love ch15 and his efficiency stat, he thinks thats the stats to end all stats lol. And to answer your question about who I would trade “superman” for….

1) LeBron
2) D-wade
3) Kobe
4) Kevin Durant
5) Derrick Rose
6) Chris Paul
7) Deron Williams
8) Maybe Amar’e
9) Maybe Yao

And all of those guys that you have out of the playoffs are from the west except D-Wade. If Orlando was in the west, I don’t see them beating anybody.

[Al-Farouq AminuParticipant]

I do not see Bill Russell in your top 10

[ch15r36isParticipant]

It is the stat to end all stats. I place slightly higher value on PER than the old “# of post move” stat.
They would have a parade for you in Utah or Oklahoma City and physically run you out of Orlando when you traded Dwight for Deron Williams or Kevin Durant.

[michaelds911Participant]

They probably would have a parade because they OVERRATE him lol, and Orlando would be greatly happy because they see that he can’t lead them to a ring. I actually don’t care if he doesn’t have any post moves, I care that he doesn’t have any offensive weapons at all.

[WälseParticipant]

your list is crazy. outside of Lebron, will any of those guys realistically lead a team to a ring in the future? Amare? i like him much more than Howard, but Dwight is clearly better. that makes me think you lack objectivity in this case. i honestly like every guy on your list more than Howard, but to trade him for anyone on that list besides Lebron would be stupid at this point. no NBA GM would make those trades.

[tuck243Participant]

Amare doesn’t play a lick of D and he IS scared of Howard… Go watch the All-Star game again… Not to mention the real game in season… The funny thing is I thought I was the only one who noticed this… But I guess everyone but D Hamp watch basketball…

[MrWoLeeParticipant]

I hope you’re watching the game now, because Dwight Howard is basically sticking it to your whole “he’s overrated” thing. Defense wins championships, and he is the epitamy of defense. He’s the player you can build a team around.

He does need to work on freethrows though.

D Hamp… the most intelligent basketball thinker in the world…Next to Mike Dunleavy anyway.

[michaelds911Participant]

ch15 said who would you trade Dwight Howard for and I answered honestly, and they may or may not get a ring but they will certainly get closer than Howard ever will. He is struggling against KENDRICK PERKINS and BIG BABY DAVIS. And I don’t care if Amar’e “struggled” when he played him in the regular season. He gets the job done in the playoffs. Do you think Dwight could have dominated Timmy D like Amar’e did, and if i’m not mistaken that was only his 5th year. So I really don’t want to hear that “he is only 24” excuse anymore. He might as well become a defensive player who needs another star to get him over the hump, because he is never going to do it being the main man.

[michaelds911Participant]

As much as you don’t know about basketball D HAMP, I agree with you 100% on this one

D Hamp……The guy who doesn’t have any basketball knowledge other than Dwight Howard being overrated

[billykParticipant]

Dwight Howard: 21ppg 14reb. 3blks 57% fg percentage… How many centers in the league in the last 10 years produced that kind of stat line in a season except for Shaq, if he keeps this up he will be an overrated hall of famer…..

[nthegoodlifeParticipant]

The center is gone, we can collectively name two who are worth anything. Dwight is a guy who dominates due to no one else to play him. He’s a freak, I’ll give him that, but thats where it stops. No offensive moves what so ever!

[michaelds911Participant]

I don’t care about the regular season billy. It’s about what you do in the postseason, and he just doesn’t get the job done because teams don’t let him get those okie doke dunks and alley-oops and put-backs.

[michaelds911Participant]

Thank you zruc for joining the club lol.

[zruc57Participant]

Some things that should mentioned about Dwights rebounding. this is his dominant stat and is the reason why he gets dpoy and all-nba. there are seveal reasons why this stat is inflated. dwight plays with 4 guards so he will get alot more rebounds. its easy to see how this inflates his stats, and by simple logic it must happen. As a team the magic finished in 8th place in rebouding difference, good but not great. Shouldn’t the greatest rebounder in the league make his team dominate rebounding? you can blame these team rebounding differences on the team, but usually the best rebounder in the leagues team will also be a tremondous rebounding team. (ewing, wallace, olujuwon, and all dominate Cs had teams that dominated the boards.) the team argument holds somewhat, but it atleast points that a little bit to dwights overrated rebounding. take tonight for example where dwight had 22 boards. yet his team lost rebounding by a pretty big -6 margin.

there are no stats that measure post D accurately, blocks are worthless and this is one of dwights highest (especially because dwight always slaps the ball out of bounds, but regardless blocks mean nothing), but by watching the game howard certaintly doesn’t dominate the game on D. he often seems to be ben out of position and people still score in the post on gim. he is good but it wasnt like watching a duncan or kg or wallace. it was like they were scoring on D

he is good. athletic as hell. i think people dont understand what overatted means. it doesn’t mean you aren’t good it means people think you are better than you are. is howard really a top 5 player, all-nba voted. i cant see how.

[WälseParticipant]

you dont think Dwight Howard could dominate in the playoffs with Steve Nash as his point guard in that fast break offense being the fastest big man in the league? i dont know if you noticed michaelds911, but Rafer Alston is no Steve Nash. now you fellas are trying to explain away his rebounds and his blocks? zruc is trying his hardest to find flaws. he’s obviously biased. Dwight Howard changes more shots than Duncan, KG, or Wallace ever have. opponents are scared against him. he might not be as good on the ball, but does he really need to be given the quality of NBA bigs nowadays? its more important for him to be altering the shots of the leagues top scorers. the coaches, writers and players in the NBA dont consider him overrated. So why should we? everyone knows what he is. a great rebounder, shot blocker, and athlete who has no post moves and sucks at the free throw line.

DHAMP…the guy who thinks Eric Devendorf is an NBA player.

[michaelds911Participant]

I don’t think you noticed this…Amar’e was beating Timmy straight up 1 on 1, man to man. That has nothing to do with Steve Nash and fast breaks. I just find it kind of disturbing that a guy who has been in the league for 5 years has yet to have anything to show for on offense. And I am not taking anything away from him on defense, I think he is superb. I just twitch when people say he is top 5 talent in the NBA, because he is clearly not, and that is why he is overrated in my opinion.

[WälseParticipant]

Amare has to get the ball to beat anyone 1 on 1. Nash always gets the ball to guys in a position to succeed. Unless Amare was bringing the ball up the court Nash has a lot to do with it. Dwight averages 20 something. That’s something. Does he have to get it with fade aways and Dream shakes to impress you? How is he not a top 5 talent? He’s as gifted an athete as the NBA has. What is your definition of talent? Having a jumper and some spin moves?

[WälseParticipant]

i mean, i love Amare, but a hard core NBA fan like yourself surely realizes that D’Antoni’s offense tends to make guys look a little better than they really are. Case in point David Lee. Imagine what Dwight could do in D’Antoni’s offense with Nash getting him the ball…

DHAMP…the guy who thinks Eric Devendorf is an NBA player.

[michaelds911Participant]

Their were countless time where he got the ball on the elbow and just went to work. I really don’t care about athleticism, because I never seen athleticism win a championship. And if KG was playing he would probably be averaging 12 pts and 10 boards. That 20/20 junk just wouldn’t be happening. Hell, if he was playing against Bynum he wouldn’t be putting up those numbers. Anytime he plays against anybody decent in the paint, he gets outplayed. And that is not the mark of a top 5 player.

[michaelds911Participant]

His offense does make people look better but Amar’e would put up those numbers with any coach or PG because he is not dependent upon them.

[WälseParticipant]

not sure what you mean by athleticism doesnt win championships? the way i see it, athleticism wins every championship in every major sport. i’m not gonna bother looking it up, but i doubt you’re right about him being consistently outplayed. i guess i’ll have to take your word on that one. that said, Perkins is very good defensivey. and you’r crazy if you think Amare would put up those same numbers without Nash. pick and roll all day with the NBA’s best passer and you’d put up numbers too.

DHAMP….the guy who thinks Eric Devendorf is an NBA player.

[billykParticipant]

Dwight Howard in the postseason: 20ppg 16rebs and 2.5blks 54% fg percentage….. I think Howard is similar to Moses Malone the only problem with Howard is that he doesnt always play hard. Howard is what he is a defensive anchor and dominant rebounder. Orlando was one of the better defensive teams because of the shotblocking and intimidation of Howard. They have some terrible defenders (Hedo, Lewis, Reddick, Alston) and Howard is always cleaning up for them…

[zruc57Participant]

why is it biased to try to point out the flaws in a players game. I just pointed out that his rebound numbers are inflated, which is difficult to argue with. Concerning post defense, as I said earlier, it is too difficult to analyze. i think Duncan, kg, and wallace, are better positioned and think they alter shots more than howard. (in their primes of course) you basically said the opposite. neither of us have any real hard evidence as there are no stats.

Dwight scored 23 points and everyone acts like that really something spectacular. Lebron does that in a quarter. his team badly loses the rebounding differential yet dwight dominated the glass

for the record id rather have dwight than amare. but neither of them are top 5 guys. if ur looking to win 4 games to continue your season, i just cant imagine myself choosing dwight over 5 other guys. the guy can never score 30. An offensive explosion for him is 23 points.

and please don’t point to these playoffs as the success of the magic. The struggled against philly team that cant shoot and really just isnt that good. there in a battle with a team who doesnt have their best player, whos tired, and old. i think this team would be beat by teams like dallas utah and even phoenix

[michaelds911Participant]

I’m talking athleticism by itself. You have to have skills to be a true top player, and he just doesn’t have many. There’s a reason why he never gets the ball in close games, it’s not a coincidence. He just doesn’t get the job done, point blank. And I honestly don’t think it’s going to get any better, he has been playing 5 years with PATRICK EWING aiding him plus he has “amazing” ATHLETICISM, and the only thing he is doing is the same stuff he was doing 3-4 years ago is kind of sad. I really really like him, but please don’t mention him in the top 5.

[ch15r36isParticipant]

You guys are funny. These are some of the worst arguments I have ever heard.

The case has been made over and over again. Either the stats and everyone else in the world is wrong or some guy named michaelds911 is wrong.

“dwight plays with 4 guards so he will get alot more rebounds”
“Shouldn’t the greatest rebounder in the league make his team dominate rebounding?”
How would he dominate rebounding while playing with 4 guards…should he be able to make his teammates better rebounders?
He’s a top-5 NBA talent and will probably be for the next 10 years. Get used to it…it will make things easier on you.

[rtbtParticipant]

Anyone who watched game 6 last night in Orlando had all of the proof they needed. I said this earlier, every coach in the league, bar none, would take Dwight Howard as their center. Oooooooops, maybe Houston would have to think twice about that, but every other team would kill to have Dwight Howard.

[michaelds911Participant]

They would kill to have them as their center, I would kill to have him as my center, but they and I would definitely think twice or three times before making him the focal point of their team. And none of those were my arguments ch15. Everything I said sounded pretty logical to me. You didn’t say anything special, but throw your “PER” stat out there lol. PER doesn’t take into the fact that he crumbles during crunch time, when his team needs him the most.

[ch15r36isParticipant]

PER takes into account how he performs over the entire course of an entire season (including “crunch time” and all other times.) This statistic bears out that he is extremely valuable for an entire 82-game season, and he has been just as valuable over during this year’s playoffs. Being voted first-team All-NBA, and top-5 in MVP voting 2 years in a row would also seem to me to indicate his value as a top-5 NBA player.
No one in the world that knows anything about how the NBA works would think more than once about making a guy like Dwight Howard the focal point of their franchise. You have to give him special attention on both ends of the floor the entire time he is on the floor, with or without the ball in his hands. You can’t tell me that he “crumbles during crunch time.” That is nothing more than a unfounded opinion that means absolutely nothing. His team won 59 games this year, and he has dropped a double-double in every single game of a series against the defending champs.

“Everything I said sounded pretty logical to me.” That doesn’t mean it is logical, my friend.
You just continue to destroy any semblance of credibility you ever had. Trade him for CP, D-Will or Kevin Durant and your team would be sitting at home right now.
If you don’t like him, that’s fine, let it be, but quit bringing these weak nonsensical arguments.

[zruc57Participant]

chris you needs to take these stats together, not separately, those two things show dwight stats are inflated. you have two things to explain the rebounding differential. if you blame his teammates for the average rebounding differential, like what you said, then dwight gets more rebound since none of than can rebound. or you simply blame dwight, and then it is obvious. not to say he isn’t a great rebounder. i would call him a top 5 rebounder without a doubt. i would also say his rebounding number is more inflated than any other player in the league (who beneifts more from a team with 4 guards)

and i don’t know why you keep saying because dwight’s got alot of awards hes really good. this is just what were arguing against. if the magic played the nuggets or lakers theyd be home also so you can’t say thats why D12 is better than cp3.

i think dwight is a top 5 player for a season. hes durable, his D is consistent, and teams are playing a little more lax, and allow dwight to get his 20. but in a race up to 4 games i’d much rather have a bunch of others guys who can score in close games and take over offensively.

[WälseParticipant]

no one seems to care that the Magic are missing their all-star point guard. are you so sure Orlando would be struggling at all with Jameer Nelson on the court? Are you sure Denver would beat Orlando with a healthy Nelson? Would Howard’s offensive numbers not be better. and the inflated rebounding numbers argument is just unfair. there are way too many factors for you to say that. especially to say that they are more inflated than any player in the league unless you have watched every team in the league rebound. some teams send more guys to the glass because they must. others get out on the break because they have a dominant rebounder. there’s just a lot to consider.

DHAMP…the guy who thinks Eric Devendorf is an NBA player.

[michaelds911Participant]

How does PER rate 4th quarter play, is there some 4th quarter sub-category that i’m not seeing. And if you were the coach, would you feel confident throwing Dwight the ball down low in close games? If it wasn’t for Turkoglu hitting big shots, Dwight would be sitting right there with D-Will and CP3 who play in a much tougher conference. And of course he is going to be 1st team ALL-NBA, he and Yao are the only centers worth anything, but Yao has been hurt the past two seasons.

[michaelds911Participant]

And I would like to know why you would take “Superman” over CP3 or D-Will?

[ch15r36isParticipant]

Just based on the following, I would say he is a top-5 player in the league right now.
– Stats
– Individual awards
– Team success
– Overall potential

That’s my whole argument. If you’re not buying it now…you probably never will. Next topic.

[michaelds911Participant]

– He does have good stats, i’ll give him that, but stats don’t tell the whole story.

– He gets his individual awards by default, there is nobody else to give them to

-His team is only successful during the regular season

– I could care less about his potential because he has yet to tap into it, and I don’t see him doing so anytime soon.

I love messing with you man, it’s pretty fun…

[D HampParticipant]

Get Dwight Howard out of here. He almost single-handedly lost the game for Orlando last night. He missed most of his shots in the clutch! Didn’t he go 4-12 from the line, missing critical free throws. Key word FREE…… All the more reason to transform Howard into Emaka Okafor. HA HA HA. It reminds me of AK47 Kirelenko making the all star team a few years ago when Utah was decimated with injuries. He got accustomed to shooting the ball and he shouldn’t have. Well, we have the same situation with Howard. Just play defense and dunk ally-opps, like Tyson Chandler, Stick to playing defense and allow the team to go find an offensive player. It’s been five years and no moves. UM, OK. Time to find someone else who can make shots.

D Hamp… The greatest basketball thinker in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[billykParticipant]

DHamp you are mentioning Howard with Okafor, AK47, and Chandler I dont get it thats nonsense… D. Howard aka Mr Clean dunks (shoots a high percentage) and protects the rim, thats what he does and he does it very good… To people who wants Howard to develop post moves WHO CARES he gets the JOB DONE… Is it his fault that he plays with players who arent concern with rebounding, what should he do dont rebound the ball. Put Howard on any team that didnt make the playoffs and they are a playoff team he is a FRANCHISE player, how many FRANCHISE centers are running around. Its crazy how people are saying he doesnt do anything,Howard will put up 20+ and 10+ rebs. for the next decade and he will be a hall of fame player….

[ch15r36isParticipant]

Your poorly-worded, nonsensical, illogical arguments always entertain me as well, Mr. michaelds911. You too, D-Hamp!

[D HampParticipant]

Franchise player? That’s a joke. Seriously! Howard should stick to defense. Eventhough, I haven’t observed him playing much defense. The fact that Orlando and Boston is going seven games is a joke. Get Howard out of here. He can’t even get past Kendrick Perkins and Glen Davis. Thank goodness Orlando doesn’t have to play the Nuggets. Ha ha ha.

Howard is overated as I’ve said all along. And he plays defense? Where? I haven’t seen it when it counts.

D Hamp… The greatest basketball thinker in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[WälseParticipant]

how can the entire basketball world; writers, players, fans, etc. think Dwight Howard is a great defensive player, yet you think he doesnt play defense at all? thats when you have to take a step back and say “maybe i’m wrong on this one”. you’re entitled to your opinion but when NBA experts think one thing and you think another, chances are you may be mistaken. anyway, in my opinion striking fear into every player that comes into the paint constitutes defense, just as much as sliding your feet and staying in front of your man. it’s probably even more important since you’re in many ways guarding all 5 guys. how is protecting the rim not defense? making the opposition throw up circus shots to avoid getting the shot blocked is defense as well. and Kendrick Perkins is the best post defender left in the playoffs so getting past him isnt exactly a cake walk. where is this knowledge that you speak of? the more you post, the less knowledgable you seem. and overrate has 2 r’s. michaelds911, stop agreeing with this guy. even if you agree with him, dont admit it. he makes you look bad.

DHAMP…the guy who thinks Eric Devendorf is an NBA player.

[michaelds911Participant]

Im not agreeing with D Hamp totally. I never said his defense is overrated, he is probably one of the best defenders. I am simply stating that his overall game is overrated. Im just wondering how being a good defenive player makes you a top 5 player in the league. When you are top 5, you should have very few or no flaws at all in your game, and Dwight Howard has too many to be an elite player in my opinion.

[michaelds911Participant]

and I like how ch15 tries to insult people to try to make his points sound better. How is my statements poorly-worded and nonsensical? Everything I said was the truth. I didn’t say anything outrageous did I?

[edoom06Participant]

Are there any old heads in this forum debate? By old heads I mean anybody who was old enough to watch and UNDERSTAND basketball in the early to mid 80s. (youtube video and ESPN classic does not count) If so I am curious to know how you stand on this Howard debate. Is he one of the most dominant big men in the NBA period (like the stats say) or is he a product of the new Millennia where dominant big men are few and far between in the NBA nowadays.

In my opinion I say the latter…..but I still think he is a beast….and when or IF he ever becomes consistent enough on the offensive end to where his teammates will actually give him the ball more than 10 TIMES IN A PLAYOFF GAME then I dont think there will be any debate then.

[nthegoodlifeParticipant]

Possibly the most overrated stat ever. What can Howard do at the end of the game? Exactly, thanks for trying. He’s a modern Bill Russell, except this league can overcome a great shot blocker. Dwight Howard has no fundamentals, he has no moves, stays out of position, can’t defend, and just benefits from being guarded by guys like Okafor.

[D HampParticipant]

Howard is a top 15 player in the NBA.

Today, for one game only, I would take, Yao Ming, Chis Paul, Deron Williams, Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Chris Bosh, Dirk Nowitzki, Chauncey Billups, Tony Parker, Amar’e Stoudmire, all before Howard.

D Hamp is the greatest basketball thinker in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[joecheck88Participant]

I think that is a fair post D Hamp. But what about if you needed one guy for 6 years? How many would you take over Howard? Would you take one year rookie wonders that are unproven? Or would your list be down to CP3, D Will, LBJ, CB4, amare Stoudemire, and Tony Parker. That is a top 7 player. I see why you feel he is overrated, but can’t you see he is the dominant force in the NBA for the next 8 years. Even if center is falling off the map.

[D HampParticipant]

Naw, six years from now, Howard should be one of the three best players in the NBA, providing Lebron doesn’t fall off like Penny Hardaway. There’s bound to be someone in the top three that we haven’t even heard of yet.

D Hamp is the greatest basketball thinker in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[joecheck88Participant]

Ok so your argument is that right NOW, D Howard is overrated. I can role with that, he progressed nicely every year until this year. If he starts progressing again, he should be top 3. He needs to get his free throws to atleast 68-70% though.

[D HampParticipant]

That’s exactly what I’m saying trinjoe. He won’t be overrated a few years from now.

D Hamp is the greatest basketball thinker in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[WälseParticipant]

what the hell does that mean? you cant say he will or wont be overrated in a few years because thats totally perception based, which is why he’s not overrated in the first place. everyone perceives him as a defensive minded big man with exceptional athleticism and limited offensive game, which is exactly what he is.

[joecheck88Participant]

I know what your saying alphamale. I can’t speak for D Hamp, but I percieve Howard as the #1 option on that team. For him not to get 25ppg with his athleticism is unacceptable to me. So therefore I believe oward to be overrated offensively right now. I believe he will get better on the offensive end. I do think Howard is a great player, especially on the defensive end, I just wonder “what if” sometimes on the offensive end, what could he do? He has shown what he can be with the 45pts, 19 boards, and 8 blocks against Indiana this year. I just want his scoring and reliablilty to be improved.

[michaelds911Participant]

That’s what we are here to do alpha…Guess what we think is going to happen. And being a ” defensive minded big man with exceptional athleticism and limited offensive game” should not make you a top 5 talent in the NBA.

[WälseParticipant]

i’m not sure where the top 5 talent thing came from. if someone says he’s a no doubt top 5 player, then they are overrating him. for the record, he absolutely is a top 5 talent. a top 5 player he is not. also, how can you predict how someone will be perceived? that’s crazy! lol

[ch15r36isParticipant]

It’s scary that he hasn’t reached his full potential and he’s still a top-5 player, isn’t it?
21ppg on 57% fg…and that’s his limited offensive game…scary stuff.
1. Lebron
2. D-Wade
3. D-Howard
4. C-Paul

[ch15r36isParticipant]

http://www.hoopsdaily.com/vb-rankings-report
Good article…even D-Hamp will like it!

[BasketballGuru24Participant]

20-20 like 7 times is not overrated and is pure talent…..blocking 5 footers thats still talent why doesn’t yao do that ?? Yes he does not have a signature post move and needs to learn more about offence but him just grabbing offensive boards and slamming it right down proves him to be a hustler and a terrific rebounder

[michaelds911Participant]

I got the top 5 thing from ch15 and everybody else. Ch15, you’re the one losing all of you’re credibility by saying Dwight Howard is better than Kobe Bryant. If you think that, there is no reason to debate with you anyways.

[ch15r36isParticipant]

I just mentioned how they seem to be in the same position at the moment, yet somehow that makes Dwight overrated and Kobe the MVP. The Magic also swept the Lakers this year.
I think Dwight is a more valuable asset than Kobe right now, hands down…and I, personally, would take Dwight on my team any day.

[ch15r36isParticipant]

He is a top-5 player right now. I stand by that.

[ch15r36isParticipant]

From John Hollinger:
“Orlando’s defense in the second half of Game 6 was unbelievable. Nobody takes me seriously when I say the Magic were the league’s best defensive team in the regular season, because they don’t scowl, preen, start fights or get on all fours to menace Jerryd Bayless, but watch the tape from last night and pay attention.

Boston had 44 possessions in the second half and scored 29 points. I counted four open shots — four. During a stretch of nearly 18 minutes in the third and fourth quarters, they had one, a layup by Glen Davis.”

Although, I’m pretty sure this has more to do with Hedo Turkoglu than Dwight Howard.

[michaelds911Participant]

We will see today, when he once again crumbles when his team needs him the most. He’ll probably have 16 pts and 12 rebs…And he’ll only score like 2 in the fourth quarter.

[D HampParticipant]

He’s in the top 15 ch15r36is. I did look at the link. It proves my point and the still rate his high for some reason sheesh.

D Hamp… the greatest basketball thinker in the world. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.

[D HampParticipant]

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[D HampParticipant]

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