[dobbins66Participant]

76ers trade Jerami Grant to Thunder for Ersan Ilyasova & a conditional draft pick.

[Hype Machine]

 Great trade by the Thunder. Cleared a boatload of capspace and picked up the best player in the trade- Grant.

76ers say they arent tanking, yet this trade suggests otherwise. I just dont see the value and their rotation is now even worse.

Plus they completely botched the Nerlens Noel situation as hes virtually worthless to the team at this point. Theyve turned a great trade chip into nothingness.

 

 

[esperanzafleet69Participant]

I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you that grant is better than ilyasova.. ilyasova is a ~40% 3pt shooter at the 4 position that draws charges like no other… excellent stretch 4.

 

 Hinkie died for your sins.

 

[Hype Machine]

 Yes but youre a troll wearing blackface head to toe.

[esperanzafleet69Participant]

 been here since 09, first time ive ever heard a single word about my profile pic or the word troll. 

watch zoolander.

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Slightly strange trade given the 76ers frontcourt depth or potential depth when everyone is sound. My thinking on the logic behind it is that the 76ers will be looking to use Simmons when he is sound as the point forward and he’ll see those minutes with Covington in the SF role as otherwise the frontcourt logjam gets stupid. Ersan gives them a shooter too in order to help spread play plus he is an expiring deal so will likely move on next summer or they might look to flip him come deadline time to a contender looking to add depth and thus they might net another late first rounder for him. Also Philly are well below cap so taking on Ersan helps get them towards minimum level.

Philly also get a conditioinal pick so it gives them an asset and Thunder make trade to free up minutes for Sabonis, Kanter, Adams etc and get a good young player in Grant and he has a bargain team option for next year. So they have moved Ersan’s contract and freed up $7.5 million cap space for the rest of this season.

 

[binetParticipant]

 Ever since Saric came to Philly, Brett Brown seemed to have said that he should be a starter or get starter minutes. With what Saric has shown last night and overall I think that they are willing to try Simmons on the wing and have all 3 rookie stars on the starting lineup. 

Ilyasova makes a lot of sense as a backup in that situation as he is a stretch 4 that can theoretically complement Simmons well when Simmons plays the wing. 

Grant seemed disposable from the beginning.

If Simmons ends up not being good at the 3 (or even at PG, like Brett Brown’s dream of him), Ilyasova will just be a replacement until Simmons come back plus time for the experiment. A better 4-man for the roster than Grant anyway, plus another veteran presence on a team that often looks lacking wisdom. He also is a scorer type of guy and a good shooter, what Philly desperately needs.

The draft pick(s) makes the salary dump fair and a very good operation for Philly.

Honestly, it seems like a win-win trade to me. Very coherent on both sides.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SubZeroParticipant]

At first I was a little confused because Ilyasova is a good shooter and we kind of lack that right now, but if Kanter, Sabonis, and Lauvergne can show that they can hit the outside shot consistently, then there’s really no need for him. And I can see Grant coming off the bench and being that guy that makes hustle plays to get the crowd going when the 2nd unit is on the floor. He makes some crazy athletic plays

[BeastMode716Participant]

 He’s a smaller version of Noel – Insanely over rated on Defense & literally throws the ball AT the backboard on Offense – Throws it – like he’s throwing a brick trying to break the glass.

To have Noel & Grant on the court at the same time made thousands of Sixers fans go Blind.

Ilyasova is a THOUSAND times better than Grant & will fit nicely w/ Embiid as a stretch 4 – a good veteran who can share time with Saric & Mentor him

 

 

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

With my boy Rachaun Holmes stepping up at PF/C I can see the 76ers letting Noel walk if they can’t get a deal done by the Deadline, let someone else over pay for a solid defender with hands of stone…

This move gives the 76ers a great shooter at the PF spot, Saric has struggled a little shooting the ball early in the season and I think Brent Brown wanted another shooter next to him and Embiid, I actually think we need to let Dario play some SF and bench Covington (he has a terribly low B Ball IQ)

Grant is a nice athlete and could be a versatile defender going forward, I’m curious to see how he develops in OKC, I think he’s a little like Al Faaroq Aminu before he got to Dallas/Portland, if he can just extend his range and slow down on Offense he can be a good starter at SF or PF…He’s terribly inefficient right now though, still want to see him out on the break with Westbrook and VO

As a Philly fan, I like this deal, we get a solid shooter/smart player with a defined skillset, and we’ll add another Draft Pick to the War Chest, I really want us to package some of those Picks and Noel or Okafor for a SG like KCP/Lavine/Hezonja/Murray (literally anyone with Range and Potential)

Trusting the process and waiting for the 2017 Draft will be hard, but Joel/Jahlil and Dario make it bearable…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[binetParticipant]

 Dario was very good last night and as a rookie from overseas needing to adapt to american culture and language as well as adapt to the NBA game like any rookie, I think that tells a lot about what he is going to deliver moving forward, adapting and proving more than just flashes. As good as he was, he clearly showed that he is far from being able to play the 3, he still has a lot of trouble with the pace of the game, and while he does not get sanctionned for it too much at the 4, he would at the 3, where he will get blown up by any guy with a decent first step. Alongside Ilyasova Philly’s defense, which was already atrocious in the second half last night would get even worse. I believe Saric can end up decent guarding the 4 once used to the pace though.

Rishaun was pretty much the reason why Orlando’s bigs and Vucevic had a great game. Noel would probably have made this game a W.

About the deal, I agree it’s a good to great one for Philly though.I just do not think that Rishaun over Noel or Dario at SF are good ideas.

Team was bad on the defensive glass also, and even if I am sure Ben Simmons is going to change that a bit, I think that’s one more reason to try to keep Noel around. I still think trading Jahlil is the best move, and I honestly think Rishaun is not a good enough backup so keeping Noel who has no trade value should be the line. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Andv1 WaitingParticipant]

Who do you think you can get for Noel? His value seems pretty low and I don’t know if people are going to offer much especially with him being a RFA and having just come off another surgery…

As for the Trading Jahlil two things: wouldn’t you want to try push his value up by having at least the you can get more for him 

and 

Would not having a walking double double come off the bench in a 6th man role on a cheap contract be smart?

As you may want to wait until Joel the process Bmbiid has at least finished this season before trading Jahlil..

As for the guards you have listed: Lavine not going anywhere he is part of the timberwolves core,KCP is RFA and wants the max-do really want the 76ers paying that guy the max?? Herzona is an interesting one as he is clearly being under utilized with the Magic(To be honest) and Murray is this Jamal Murray or the one on the spurs?

Personally I wouldn’t be surprised if (Mario or Jamal) could be had for a reasonable pick in next years draft but it means you are waiting at least to either the trade deadline or Next years draft once you know the order of the 76ers picks.

Both would Jamal Murray and Mario would be good pick ups for the 76ers though.

 

 

 

[binetParticipant]

 Prospects. These guys are unproven prospects. Most of what Philadelphia already has in its roster which currently relies on two rookies as their two best players (Embiid, Saric) and another rookie supposed to be the franchise player (Simmons). Philadelphia surely does not want more rookies on the team, they do not seem to find minutes for Luwawu who is intriguing and a 2 guard also because they need mentorship, guys who know how to win, who are already adjusted to the NBA pace etc… Apart from their rookies most of the team are from recent drafts and also looks like prospects (Okafor, Stauskas, Holmes,..). The Grant – Ilyasova trade is a lot because of that. A roster can’t have more than half rookies and prospects nor a starting five theoretically all rookies.

They will eventually get young prospects at the wing and possibly point but I doubt they will do that before the end of the season or if they do, it should be a trade involving another ‘prospect guy’ like Stauskas not their most proven Nerlens Noel in a minor trade. The right plan for them is to try to develop as well as possible this year’s crop of 3 talented rookies (+enigmatic Luwawu) and wait next year for new prospect possibly with Furkan Korkmaz and 3+ draft picks, which seems too many.

Logic is that the team should trade in order to get a seasoned player, whether Jah or Nerlens is traded. They can easily package them with a draft pick, rights on Furkan Korkmaz, or another young prospect in their team, maybe severals. 

That means waiting until a team gets in ‘rebuild’ mode also known as tanking and trade their franchise player or second best player in order to rebuild. Right now Washington is 0-3 with John Wall and Bradley Beal not getting along. Would they trade one of the two to rebuild around the other, a guy like Okafor, recent lottery Porter, Oubre plus at least two lottery picks in the upcoming draft (theirs and one of philly’s )? I would trade Beal today for Okafor plus best of SAC-LAL(top 3 protected)-PHI pick of the upcming draft. Mid season if Washington is something like  6-14 or worse I might end up thinking of trading John Wall (probably for a better package). The Suns are also unsuccessful, the Knight-Noel swap is not that unrealistic either.

 

 

 

 

[vulture711Participant]

OKC trying to shed salary and the 76ers trying to get to the floor.  OKC also picked up a trade exception and I think the 76ers are still 7-8 million under the floor.  EIs salary comes off the books this offseason 

On the court he is smart, can grab boards and space the floor which the 76ers need.  He’s also from Turkey which should help Saric’s transition 

Grant should be a good second unit guy trapping and filling the lane – he gets in trouble trying to do too much

 

 

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 I see Saric as much more a PF than a SF, I think they can put Simmons on SF on offence if he will be the point forward like The Greek Freak. On defence I’d say Simmons is quicker so he takes the SF as opposed to Saric. Plus the Oak and Noel will see time at PF if Embiid is on court.

[binetParticipant]

 Simmons as a SF makes the most sense right now. Saric is proving legitimate starter value, and as a rookie that’s significant enough for,Philadelphia to continue with him in this role.

Saric and Ilyasova are both stretch 4s which seem to be the perfect fit with Simmons on the wings slashing, getting to the post and playing point forward.

Defensively right now I can’t envision Saric gaurding a 3 man. Simmons is ,athletic enough to be a maybe there. He was never a terrific shot blocker nor help defender so maybe he is even better there.

I think that’s definitely the plan. That or making him a PG. Brett Brown insisted a lot about that so that is also a possibilty even if it seems very unrealistic.

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

Simmons can do point duties but like the Greek Freak, I think he does this from the SF role. The Bucks tried have use Giannis in the backcourt but he was a lot lighter then than Simmons would be and also the 76ers don’t have a minute logjam at SF.

They can still play a legit PG and Simmons in the same 5 and let Simmons develop as a ball handler. Sergio Rodriguez is a very experienced PG and can help Simmons develop and having an extra good ball handler on court spreads the play and gives Coach Brown options. Also even if Simmons does become their playmaker, they will need Rodriguez for when Simmons isn’t on court.

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