[CDPHParticipant]

I see a lot of trade proposals on this (and other) forum(s) that suggest the 76ers should include the Lakers pick in a deal to get the #2 pick, or whatever.  

I say absolutely no way.  The team is in an enviable position right now with all these future picks coming and are set up for success like few other teams in the NBA.  Assuming the Lakers add a free agent and improve, but miss the playoffs, the pick will likely fall in the 5-9 range.  

Despite the addition of a lot of talent, the 76ers own pick will certainly be in the top 9 as well.  That means the team will add two of the following next year:  

Harry Giles, Josh Jackson, Jayson Tatum, Markelle Fultz, De’Aaron Fox, Dennis Smith, Jonathan Isaac, Frank Ntilikina, Isaiah Hartenstein, Malik Monk, Lonzo Ball, etc…

There’s a lot of guys next year who project to be outstanding.  If I’m trading Okafor to Boston, I want the Nets 17′ pick.  Even if it means giving up a little bit more.  Otherwise I politely say no thank you.  

  

[burgessfourParticipant]

 Basically the only deal I would do is Okafor for #2. If other small pieces need to be added on both sides I could probably live with that as well. Small pieces. My thinking is if anyone needs to add anything substantial to the deal it is the Lakers because we know Okafor is an NBA player with a special talent for scoring. There is no way we should be giving the Lakers their 2017 pick back along with Okafor in a trade for the #2 pick. 

[burgessfourParticipant]

 Basically the only deal I would do is Okafor for #2. If other small pieces need to be added on both sides I could probably live with that as well. Small pieces. My thinking is if anyone needs to add anything substantial to the deal it is the Lakers because we know Okafor is an NBA player with a special talent for scoring. There is no way we should be giving the Lakers their 2017 pick back along with Okafor in a trade for the #2 pick. 

[markfitz14Participant]

 I was one that suggested it is a possibility. I would rather it Okafor go to the Celtics. But the 76ers could get the scoring wing they need right now. Instead of possibiliy getting it next year. Who knows what could happen to prospects stock between now and then. They could get the guy the need right now. I also think the Lakers have the upper hand in that the 76ers would want Ingram more than the Lakers would want Okafor. So the 76ers would need to add something good. They could give the lakers pick back protected 4-7 next year then unprotected in 2018 or something like that. 

[markfitz14Participant]

 I was one that suggested it is a possibility. I would rather it Okafor go to the Celtics. But the 76ers could get the scoring wing they need right now. Instead of possibiliy getting it next year. Who knows what could happen to prospects stock between now and then. They could get the guy the need right now. I also think the Lakers have the upper hand in that the 76ers would want Ingram more than the Lakers would want Okafor. So the 76ers would need to add something good. They could give the lakers pick back protected 4-7 next year then unprotected in 2018 or something like that. 

[HitsterParticipant]

The 76ers have options with this pick but a lot would depend what they could get in response to putting this into play. Unlike the Nets pick due to Boston this year, the Lakers pick could be variable and might not even come over until 2019.

The 76ers are not in a position yet where they are looking to push on a try to compete, they are a still in rebuild and can try for experienced players via FA if needed. The flip is if they trade it as a likely top 5 pick and get that sort of value in return and the Lakers improve next year after maybe getting a good FA in then Philly are winners but if they sit on it and the value declines then they are losers.

My personal opinion is to keep hold for now but with deals floating around possibly Boston’s way then keep a close eye on that and jump in if they can.

[HitsterParticipant]

The 76ers have options with this pick but a lot would depend what they could get in response to putting this into play. Unlike the Nets pick due to Boston this year, the Lakers pick could be variable and might not even come over until 2019.

The 76ers are not in a position yet where they are looking to push on a try to compete, they are a still in rebuild and can try for experienced players via FA if needed. The flip is if they trade it as a likely top 5 pick and get that sort of value in return and the Lakers improve next year after maybe getting a good FA in then Philly are winners but if they sit on it and the value declines then they are losers.

My personal opinion is to keep hold for now but with deals floating around possibly Boston’s way then keep a close eye on that and jump in if they can.

[burgessfourParticipant]

 owed to the Sixers is top 3 protected for 2017 and unprotected for 2018, so it will be conveyed no later than 2018, not 2019. The Lakers will need to double their win total to have lower than a top 10 pick in either of 2017 or 2018. They may or may not be able to attract a difference-making F/A this summer or next. Keep in mind the Lakers tried to get better via free agency last summer and came up empty. And don’t forget, Kobe is retiring and was still a pretty good player. My guess is if the Lakers don’t keep the pick in 2017 it will be top 5-7 for the Sixers, and if not conveyed in 2017 will be a top 10 pick in 2018. 2017 is considered a very deep draft. Sorry to be long-winded but I believe based on all that the pick should be treated as pretty valuable and not just as an adder in a big trade. 

[burgessfourParticipant]

 owed to the Sixers is top 3 protected for 2017 and unprotected for 2018, so it will be conveyed no later than 2018, not 2019. The Lakers will need to double their win total to have lower than a top 10 pick in either of 2017 or 2018. They may or may not be able to attract a difference-making F/A this summer or next. Keep in mind the Lakers tried to get better via free agency last summer and came up empty. And don’t forget, Kobe is retiring and was still a pretty good player. My guess is if the Lakers don’t keep the pick in 2017 it will be top 5-7 for the Sixers, and if not conveyed in 2017 will be a top 10 pick in 2018. 2017 is considered a very deep draft. Sorry to be long-winded but I believe based on all that the pick should be treated as pretty valuable and not just as an adder in a big trade. 

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 lets be Honest, the Lakers ar going to be horrible next year, even if they make moves that head them in the right direction, what I find amussing is that the Lakers fans, are ok with the countiued losing 

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 lets be Honest, the Lakers ar going to be horrible next year, even if they make moves that head them in the right direction, what I find amussing is that the Lakers fans, are ok with the countiued losing 

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 this draft is very weak, it is better fo the 76ers to get this pick next year

(Simmons excluded)

 

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 this draft is very weak, it is better fo the 76ers to get this pick next year

(Simmons excluded)

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 How many times are we going to see this Okafor for the number 2 pick.  Keep dreaming.  Ingram is a significantly better prospect than Okafor.  Give it a rest already.

[negguaryParticipant]

What is that statement based on? Okafor had better scoring numbers at DUKE and proved he can score in the NBA, something Ingram has yet to do. He could possibly be a better player but prospect no, you have nothing to stand that statement on.

[negguaryParticipant]

What is that statement based on? Okafor had better scoring numbers at DUKE and proved he can score in the NBA, something Ingram has yet to do. He could possibly be a better player but prospect no, you have nothing to stand that statement on.

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 If you had concrete "things" to stand statements on there would never be mistakes made in the draft would there?  Incredibly stupid statement.

It’s called an opinion.  And the opinion above I happened to form with my eyes.  An opinion can be, but is not always fact.  Do I need to preface my statements with "in my opinion?".  If it helps you comprehend things I can do that for you.

In my opinion Ingram is a better prospect than Okafor and a better fit on the Lakers.  Thus I believe there is little to no chance they trade the pick.  I know you have been on a pud slapping marathon dreaming about acquiring more picks, but in my honest and quite humble opinion it won’t be from the Lakers.

 

 

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 If you had concrete "things" to stand statements on there would never be mistakes made in the draft would there?  Incredibly stupid statement.

It’s called an opinion.  And the opinion above I happened to form with my eyes.  An opinion can be, but is not always fact.  Do I need to preface my statements with "in my opinion?".  If it helps you comprehend things I can do that for you.

In my opinion Ingram is a better prospect than Okafor and a better fit on the Lakers.  Thus I believe there is little to no chance they trade the pick.  I know you have been on a pud slapping marathon dreaming about acquiring more picks, but in my honest and quite humble opinion it won’t be from the Lakers.

 

 

 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

why would the Lakers pass up on Okafor to take Russell, and then pass up on a far better talent in Ingram to take Okafor again?

Well, that doesn’t take anything away from Okafor.  He’s a more than solid NBA player he’s just slightly more dynamic Al Jefferson.  

The potential of Ingram is too much to pass up though, being that you already passed up on him once before for a guy with legs of lindsay lohan in mean girls.  

 

  

[negguaryParticipant]

I never said that the lakers would or should do  that, refer to my post, I was arguing the fact that his opinion has no merit because he can’t back it with facts period! 

[negguaryParticipant]

I never said that the lakers would or should do  that, refer to my post, I was arguing the fact that his opinion has no merit because he can’t back it with facts period! 

[bigjah8Participant]

 hes way better than al jefferson. And in his rookie year he put up better numbers than Drummond and Cousins with an awful team. I just dont like the al comparison bc it is lazy and jahlil projects to be way better than him

[bigjah8Participant]

 hes way better than al jefferson. And in his rookie year he put up better numbers than Drummond and Cousins with an awful team. I just dont like the al comparison bc it is lazy and jahlil projects to be way better than him

[Hype Machine]

Al Jefferson was probably the best post player in the NBA for a decade. And that was really his only standout skill. Same as Okafor. I don’t see how the comparison is lazy at all. Just because it’s easy, doesn’t make it lazy. 

Neither can pass, play a lick of defense, or run the floor. 

Same size, same athleticism, same skill-set. 

Al Jeff was decent. I’d take him #3 in plenty of re-drafts. 

 

 

[Hype Machine]

Al Jefferson was probably the best post player in the NBA for a decade. And that was really his only standout skill. Same as Okafor. I don’t see how the comparison is lazy at all. Just because it’s easy, doesn’t make it lazy. 

Neither can pass, play a lick of defense, or run the floor. 

Same size, same athleticism, same skill-set. 

Al Jeff was decent. I’d take him #3 in plenty of re-drafts. 

 

 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

why would the Lakers pass up on Okafor to take Russell, and then pass up on a far better talent in Ingram to take Okafor again?

Well, that doesn’t take anything away from Okafor.  He’s a more than solid NBA player he’s just slightly more dynamic Al Jefferson.  

The potential of Ingram is too much to pass up though, being that you already passed up on him once before for a guy with legs of lindsay lohan in mean girls.  

 

  

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 How many times are we going to see this Okafor for the number 2 pick.  Keep dreaming.  Ingram is a significantly better prospect than Okafor.  Give it a rest already.

[circumlocution75Participant]

 b/c I believe Jamal Murray is a Much better version (matuarity, Leadership, Agility & ability to get to the Rim) of D’Aneglo Russell – who thye who they supposedly wanted last season…….

but I agree that the Sixers would be Insane to give up that Lakers pick……. which will most likely transmit in 2017……… 2017 looks like a Crazy deep draft & the Sixers also have swap rights to the King’s pick…………….. Loaded w/ Elite Wings & Guards…. Sixers should just Continue building IMHO…….. they are teeming w/ 1st round picks in 2017, 18 & 19

  but Bryan Colangelo is Not a wait for the future guy……. I think it’s Incredibly foolish to trade a 19 y/o 6’11” Center w/ the touch, footwork & scoring ability of Okafor……… Who’s Rookie stats are much better than Andre Drummon & Boogie Cousins to name a few……..

 

 

[circumlocution75Participant]

 b/c I believe Jamal Murray is a Much better version (matuarity, Leadership, Agility & ability to get to the Rim) of D’Aneglo Russell – who thye who they supposedly wanted last season…….

but I agree that the Sixers would be Insane to give up that Lakers pick……. which will most likely transmit in 2017……… 2017 looks like a Crazy deep draft & the Sixers also have swap rights to the King’s pick…………….. Loaded w/ Elite Wings & Guards…. Sixers should just Continue building IMHO…….. they are teeming w/ 1st round picks in 2017, 18 & 19

  but Bryan Colangelo is Not a wait for the future guy……. I think it’s Incredibly foolish to trade a 19 y/o 6’11” Center w/ the touch, footwork & scoring ability of Okafor……… Who’s Rookie stats are much better than Andre Drummon & Boogie Cousins to name a few……..

 

 

[BeastMode716Participant]

I listen to one so called NBA expert after another like the Ultimate "Beta Male" El Hassan on espn claim that Ingram is a an Absolute Lock 20+ ppg scorer in the NBA……

Ingram is Not KD…… & If Bender wows Lakers execs in private work outs like Porzingus did last year I hope the Lakers have the guts to Draft him (if he knocks their socks off)……

I heard the same nonsense last year that D’Angelo Russell is a can’t miss All Star in the "New NBA"….. Well Russell missed…… & Every time I see Porzingus it KILLS me (& b/c I live in NEw York I see him a lot)……

I would take Okafor is a heartbeat for Ingram……. but I wouldn’t do the #2 pick trade until After the private workouts……. B/c Bender might be Porzingus 2.0……..

One thing I am Sure of though is that Brandon Ingram is Not Kevin Durant 2.0…… Not even Close…….

 

 

 

 

[BeastMode716Participant]

I listen to one so called NBA expert after another like the Ultimate "Beta Male" El Hassan on espn claim that Ingram is a an Absolute Lock 20+ ppg scorer in the NBA……

Ingram is Not KD…… & If Bender wows Lakers execs in private work outs like Porzingus did last year I hope the Lakers have the guts to Draft him (if he knocks their socks off)……

I heard the same nonsense last year that D’Angelo Russell is a can’t miss All Star in the "New NBA"….. Well Russell missed…… & Every time I see Porzingus it KILLS me (& b/c I live in NEw York I see him a lot)……

I would take Okafor is a heartbeat for Ingram……. but I wouldn’t do the #2 pick trade until After the private workouts……. B/c Bender might be Porzingus 2.0……..

One thing I am Sure of though is that Brandon Ingram is Not Kevin Durant 2.0…… Not even Close…….

 

 

 

 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

Libertyballers has a great article on Ingram and his defensive prowess along with his shooting stats.  He is the best wing to come out of the draft including Wiggins from a statistical perspective,  I think he’s deceptively strong and oh yeah he’s 18.  He has the frame of a guy that is going to develop into a man, and you just cna’t teach that shot.

Dirk, Steph, KD all have buttery shots.  So does Ingram.  I rest my case.  

  

[BeastMode716Participant]

 "You just can’t teach that shot…"….. Ingram is a 46% shooter against college kids…… That’s a about average for an outside shooter in the NBA (45% is average)…….

All the comparisons to KD are based on people believing that he can Penetrate like KD…… B/c KD’s elite quickness & explosiveness sets up All other parts of his game……

Ingram does Not have KD’s elite level 1st step Or his Explosiveness……. Ingram actually has Below average quickness & almost no 1st step Explosion……

Look at his tapes going back to High School against 5’10” white kids…… Ingram uses a combination of pump fakes & spin moves to penetrate…… Those moves do Not work in the NBA……. Ingram also makes up for this lack of quickness by muscling his way inside & he won’t be able to do that either in the NBA……..

These type of moves work for Steph Curry b/c Curry shoots 46% for THREE point range & 50+% overall & his range goes out to a Crazy 30’…… Ingram is just Not that kind of shooter……. & b/c NBA defenders won’t need to get up on Ingram like they do w/ Curry………. He will Not be able to penetrate….. b/c he just does Not have that elite 1st step……

Ingram will be reduced to an outside jump shooter……….. KD was an Elite scorer in college – 25 ppg & 50% shooter even in college……. Trust me I wish I was wrong b/c we got the #2 pick but this kid is Not KD…….

 

 

 

 

 

[BeastMode716Participant]

 "You just can’t teach that shot…"….. Ingram is a 46% shooter against college kids…… That’s a about average for an outside shooter in the NBA (45% is average)…….

All the comparisons to KD are based on people believing that he can Penetrate like KD…… B/c KD’s elite quickness & explosiveness sets up All other parts of his game……

Ingram does Not have KD’s elite level 1st step Or his Explosiveness……. Ingram actually has Below average quickness & almost no 1st step Explosion……

Look at his tapes going back to High School against 5’10” white kids…… Ingram uses a combination of pump fakes & spin moves to penetrate…… Those moves do Not work in the NBA……. Ingram also makes up for this lack of quickness by muscling his way inside & he won’t be able to do that either in the NBA……..

These type of moves work for Steph Curry b/c Curry shoots 46% for THREE point range & 50+% overall & his range goes out to a Crazy 30’…… Ingram is just Not that kind of shooter……. & b/c NBA defenders won’t need to get up on Ingram like they do w/ Curry………. He will Not be able to penetrate….. b/c he just does Not have that elite 1st step……

Ingram will be reduced to an outside jump shooter……….. KD was an Elite scorer in college – 25 ppg & 50% shooter even in college……. Trust me I wish I was wrong b/c we got the #2 pick but this kid is Not KD…….

 

 

 

 

 

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

Libertyballers has a great article on Ingram and his defensive prowess along with his shooting stats.  He is the best wing to come out of the draft including Wiggins from a statistical perspective,  I think he’s deceptively strong and oh yeah he’s 18.  He has the frame of a guy that is going to develop into a man, and you just cna’t teach that shot.

Dirk, Steph, KD all have buttery shots.  So does Ingram.  I rest my case.  

  

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