[Willfb3Participant]

 Lets say for arguments sake that the Lakers pick falls out of the top 3, and the 76ers get. With their first pick, depending on the spot, they take Simmons, Ingram, or Brown. Now, with their next pick, assuming Brown is off the board, does Philly go with Jamal Murray or Kris Dunn? Personally I would take Murray but Dunn is having an amazing season and if he continues to dominate that may change my opinion. Thoughts?

[TeslaBallerParticipant]

I lean more towards Dunn over Murray. Dunn’s perimeter defense is stellar but Murray’s shot making ability is just as impressive. While Dunn looks more like the natural PG, I think Murray won’t have any problems finding or giving the ball up to his teammates. Tough choice and I might have just talked myself into Murray but first thought is Kris Dunn. 

If we land Simmons or Ingram with one of the top 2 picks, I wouldn’t rule out Bender at the 4th or 5th pick. Especially if Brown is gone, BPA strategy. You don’t pick a PG just because we have to throw McConnell out there every night, if you think Bender is going to be special in 3-4 years. 

 

[TeslaBallerParticipant]

I lean more towards Dunn over Murray. Dunn’s perimeter defense is stellar but Murray’s shot making ability is just as impressive. While Dunn looks more like the natural PG, I think Murray won’t have any problems finding or giving the ball up to his teammates. Tough choice and I might have just talked myself into Murray but first thought is Kris Dunn. 

If we land Simmons or Ingram with one of the top 2 picks, I wouldn’t rule out Bender at the 4th or 5th pick. Especially if Brown is gone, BPA strategy. You don’t pick a PG just because we have to throw McConnell out there every night, if you think Bender is going to be special in 3-4 years. 

 

[ScarTissue98Participant]

 …. So even though I like Dunn a lot – he’s just not an elite talent…. If he was, he would have been a lottery pick last year when he was going to enter the draft until his agent realized he would struggle to crack the top 20….. and that was a year younger….. 

It seems like Murray’s projections are no lower than #8 & most mocks have him about #5….. That means scouts pretty much agree that Murray has a chance to be an elite level talent….. When teams have a chance to draft in the top 5….. you just can’t play it safe….. Phila also has 2 more 1st round picks in the 20’s….. They could easily package those picks & move up to say #15 & Draft a player w/ Dunn’s skilll set & maybe get Dunn himself….

 B/c I think just like last year, we will see younger PG’s emerge & in the spring fly up the board & overtake Dunn…. This is exactly what happened last year & w/ Dunn a year older, I just can’t see him holding this spot in the mock drafts….. 

Web sites produce mock drafts & Dunn is a name now….. But he’s just not a high Lottery pick…. I luv Murray’s game…. He really stands out no matter who Kentucky is playing……. I’m starting to think Phila might be better off NOT getting that L.A. pick this year…..

 Even if the Lakers luck out & get Simmons, they are still 2 or 3 years away from competing….. I think even if Durant does want to go to L.A. he’ll take a one year deal to stay in OKC & then become a free agent after the 2017 season when the Salary Cap expands….. 

So even if L.A. has Simmons, Russell, Randle & Clarkson in 2016, they are still a low lottery team b/c those guys are young….. Phila will get a top 6 or 7 Lottery pick in 2017 for MCW who the Bucks seem to be souring on anyway….. So it was a great trade….. Phila also has 2 other 1st round picks in 2017 so the Lakers pick would make 3…… Next fall they have Embiid, Saric, their Lottery pick & 2 other 1st rounders….. It’s crazy how many prospects this team will gain over the next couple years…..

The Lakers, Sixers & Celtics could be juggernauts in the 2020’s – it’ll be like the 1980’s all over again….

 

 

 

 

[TeslaBallerParticipant]

 I agree with most of your thoughts on Dunn and Murray. As I was typing my original post I was wavering between the 2.

What I don’t understand is the idea that Philly would be better off not getting the Lakers pick this year. The sooner the better. The Lakers pick is top 3 protected again next year, then unprotected in 2018. Let’s not hope the Lakers stay as bad as they are right now, come next year and the year after. Right now we know as long as the Lakers don’t get a top 3 pick, their pick will be #4 or #5 at worse. I can’t imagine that pick getting better in time. 

[TeslaBallerParticipant]

 I agree with most of your thoughts on Dunn and Murray. As I was typing my original post I was wavering between the 2.

What I don’t understand is the idea that Philly would be better off not getting the Lakers pick this year. The sooner the better. The Lakers pick is top 3 protected again next year, then unprotected in 2018. Let’s not hope the Lakers stay as bad as they are right now, come next year and the year after. Right now we know as long as the Lakers don’t get a top 3 pick, their pick will be #4 or #5 at worse. I can’t imagine that pick getting better in time. 

[ScarTissue98Participant]

 …. So even though I like Dunn a lot – he’s just not an elite talent…. If he was, he would have been a lottery pick last year when he was going to enter the draft until his agent realized he would struggle to crack the top 20….. and that was a year younger….. 

It seems like Murray’s projections are no lower than #8 & most mocks have him about #5….. That means scouts pretty much agree that Murray has a chance to be an elite level talent….. When teams have a chance to draft in the top 5….. you just can’t play it safe….. Phila also has 2 more 1st round picks in the 20’s….. They could easily package those picks & move up to say #15 & Draft a player w/ Dunn’s skilll set & maybe get Dunn himself….

 B/c I think just like last year, we will see younger PG’s emerge & in the spring fly up the board & overtake Dunn…. This is exactly what happened last year & w/ Dunn a year older, I just can’t see him holding this spot in the mock drafts….. 

Web sites produce mock drafts & Dunn is a name now….. But he’s just not a high Lottery pick…. I luv Murray’s game…. He really stands out no matter who Kentucky is playing……. I’m starting to think Phila might be better off NOT getting that L.A. pick this year…..

 Even if the Lakers luck out & get Simmons, they are still 2 or 3 years away from competing….. I think even if Durant does want to go to L.A. he’ll take a one year deal to stay in OKC & then become a free agent after the 2017 season when the Salary Cap expands….. 

So even if L.A. has Simmons, Russell, Randle & Clarkson in 2016, they are still a low lottery team b/c those guys are young….. Phila will get a top 6 or 7 Lottery pick in 2017 for MCW who the Bucks seem to be souring on anyway….. So it was a great trade….. Phila also has 2 other 1st round picks in 2017 so the Lakers pick would make 3…… Next fall they have Embiid, Saric, their Lottery pick & 2 other 1st rounders….. It’s crazy how many prospects this team will gain over the next couple years…..

The Lakers, Sixers & Celtics could be juggernauts in the 2020’s – it’ll be like the 1980’s all over again….

 

 

 

 

[holefillers1Participant]

 So the question is Dunn/Murray. I take Dunn. He is the better all around player in my opinion. I like Jamal but his game seems like it will be on the perimeter in the NBA. I watched him against Ohio st, he shot the lights out, great catch and shoot guy. Never saw him attack the basket once off the dribble. Didn’t see him look to drive and kick either. If he cant do that in college it wont happen in pros. Like i said, no knock against Murray, just rather have Baby D Wade

[holefillers1Participant]

 So the question is Dunn/Murray. I take Dunn. He is the better all around player in my opinion. I like Jamal but his game seems like it will be on the perimeter in the NBA. I watched him against Ohio st, he shot the lights out, great catch and shoot guy. Never saw him attack the basket once off the dribble. Didn’t see him look to drive and kick either. If he cant do that in college it wont happen in pros. Like i said, no knock against Murray, just rather have Baby D Wade

[OhCanada-Participant]

 If the 76ers are serious about building around Okafor, Noel, Embiid, and Saric in some fashion then they need to provide those bigs with a knockdown shooter. Imagine all the free shits Murray would get. He would provide them alot of space to operate in the post and would be a great compliment to Dario.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 If the 76ers are serious about building around Okafor, Noel, Embiid, and Saric in some fashion then they need to provide those bigs with a knockdown shooter. Imagine all the free shits Murray would get. He would provide them alot of space to operate in the post and would be a great compliment to Dario.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Free shots****not sh!ts….access denied to edit.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Free shots****not sh!ts….access denied to edit.

[UncledrewParticipant]

Murray is a better than Kris Dunn. Dunn is more a pure point guard but he has 3 years on murray. It’s easy to compare their production now but it would be way more clear if we compared Dunn stats now to murray as a college junior but both will be in the nba in 2 years. Dunn is the next Reggie Jackson. Murray is the next Brandon knight/lillard. I’d rather have the murray he’s the best guard in the draft but both will be quality starters atleast.

[UncledrewParticipant]

Murray is a better than Kris Dunn. Dunn is more a pure point guard but he has 3 years on murray. It’s easy to compare their production now but it would be way more clear if we compared Dunn stats now to murray as a college junior but both will be in the nba in 2 years. Dunn is the next Reggie Jackson. Murray is the next Brandon knight/lillard. I’d rather have the murray he’s the best guard in the draft but both will be quality starters atleast.

[VCJR THE BEASTParticipant]

 The 76ers need a better shooter and Murray is the guy to do it. Kris Dunn is better all-around I just hope he doesn´t end like MCW

[VCJR THE BEASTParticipant]

 The 76ers need a better shooter and Murray is the guy to do it. Kris Dunn is better all-around I just hope he doesn´t end like MCW

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

and unlikely…unlikley the Lakers 2nd worst pick will fall to 4 as the Knicks did last year, while the Sixers get #1.

BUT…if that was the case….

If you have 1 and 4….you take Simmons with the first pick.  He is a primary ball handler with a very suspect shot.  Therefore, for spacing purposes, you need someone that can shoot.  If you watched last year’s hoop summit, both players have incredible IQ, meaning they know how to play without the ball in their hands.  Therefore, you must take Simmons and Murray.  They might take a step back on their defense, but thats why you have Embiid and Noel.

If you have 2 and 4, it chagnes things.  Now you probably take Ingram, who is an offensive player in his own right with less ball-handling/ball dominance abilities.  I still think Murray is the way to go since he has the higher IQ.  But Dunn here becomes intriguing.  Now iwth Dunn and Ingram, you have incredible length and perimeter defense, along with Dunn’s ability to slash, and Ingram’s shooting.

Of the 4, Simmons Ingram Dunn Murray, the only combo I think would be ugly team-ball would be Simmons-Dunn.  There simply isn’t enough shooting to make space for your big-men with those two.

 

I echo the point about Bender.  If they get 4 from the Lakers, and your team isn’t going to contend, why not sign a FA PG and then wait 3 years when you really have a shot at the chip and bring in the X-factor Dragan Bender.

 

Also, there are plenty of guard possibilities with the two later first round picks (Maimi and OKC).  Through FA and late 1st round guards plus Marshall McConnell and Wroten (who looks like trash right now), we may have enough guard play to justify Bender with the 4th pick if we get it (hopefully).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[SlickBouncePassParticipant]

and unlikely…unlikley the Lakers 2nd worst pick will fall to 4 as the Knicks did last year, while the Sixers get #1.

BUT…if that was the case….

If you have 1 and 4….you take Simmons with the first pick.  He is a primary ball handler with a very suspect shot.  Therefore, for spacing purposes, you need someone that can shoot.  If you watched last year’s hoop summit, both players have incredible IQ, meaning they know how to play without the ball in their hands.  Therefore, you must take Simmons and Murray.  They might take a step back on their defense, but thats why you have Embiid and Noel.

If you have 2 and 4, it chagnes things.  Now you probably take Ingram, who is an offensive player in his own right with less ball-handling/ball dominance abilities.  I still think Murray is the way to go since he has the higher IQ.  But Dunn here becomes intriguing.  Now iwth Dunn and Ingram, you have incredible length and perimeter defense, along with Dunn’s ability to slash, and Ingram’s shooting.

Of the 4, Simmons Ingram Dunn Murray, the only combo I think would be ugly team-ball would be Simmons-Dunn.  There simply isn’t enough shooting to make space for your big-men with those two.

 

I echo the point about Bender.  If they get 4 from the Lakers, and your team isn’t going to contend, why not sign a FA PG and then wait 3 years when you really have a shot at the chip and bring in the X-factor Dragan Bender.

 

Also, there are plenty of guard possibilities with the two later first round picks (Maimi and OKC).  Through FA and late 1st round guards plus Marshall McConnell and Wroten (who looks like trash right now), we may have enough guard play to justify Bender with the 4th pick if we get it (hopefully).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I would go with Buddy Hield with their second pick (if they end up with the Lakers pick).  Scorer.  Shooter.  That is what they need.  He is an upgade at the 2.

Robert Covington gives them that other wing shooter at the 3.  So, if they are picking first, then they definitely take Ben Simmons.  I would assume that they try him out at the 4.  

McConnell and Wroten aren’t GREAT point guard options, but they aren’t horrible.  

With Simmons and Hield you get two guys who can score, with Simmons also being a creator and a rebounder at either forward spot, and Hield being an outside shooter.  Those two guys can cover spots 2-4.

This might be the draft where they try to move Saric.

Even if he comes over and does well, how many guys can they sign?  

Move Saric for a pick in the 5-10 range.  Then add another asset.  That way they might be able to get Simmons, Hield, AND Kris Dunn (or Jamal Murray) in this draft.  

The Sixers quickly need to figure out what there identity is and who they have for a core.  I think Okafor fits in somewhere but they also have Nerlens Noel and Joel Embiid, and they might need to trade one of them.  If not, then they need to look at moving Saric.  Their perimeter is a MESS.  Covington is a decent asset, as is McConnell, and I think Tony Wroten is ok in a backup role, but they have no go-to guy.  

They basically need to figure out who they are before the start of the 2016-2017 season.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I would go with Buddy Hield with their second pick (if they end up with the Lakers pick).  Scorer.  Shooter.  That is what they need.  He is an upgade at the 2.

Robert Covington gives them that other wing shooter at the 3.  So, if they are picking first, then they definitely take Ben Simmons.  I would assume that they try him out at the 4.  

McConnell and Wroten aren’t GREAT point guard options, but they aren’t horrible.  

With Simmons and Hield you get two guys who can score, with Simmons also being a creator and a rebounder at either forward spot, and Hield being an outside shooter.  Those two guys can cover spots 2-4.

This might be the draft where they try to move Saric.

Even if he comes over and does well, how many guys can they sign?  

Move Saric for a pick in the 5-10 range.  Then add another asset.  That way they might be able to get Simmons, Hield, AND Kris Dunn (or Jamal Murray) in this draft.  

The Sixers quickly need to figure out what there identity is and who they have for a core.  I think Okafor fits in somewhere but they also have Nerlens Noel and Joel Embiid, and they might need to trade one of them.  If not, then they need to look at moving Saric.  Their perimeter is a MESS.  Covington is a decent asset, as is McConnell, and I think Tony Wroten is ok in a backup role, but they have no go-to guy.  

They basically need to figure out who they are before the start of the 2016-2017 season.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hype Machine]

I honestly feel like the chances of the lottery balls "randomly" giving Philly the Lakers pick are slim to none. I’m told it’s close to 50%…..but I’m going to go with my inner cynic on this one.

I think the Sixers will use their own pick on Jamal Murray. That’s definitely not a bad outcome as I see future All-Star in my crystal ball. 

They’re still going to be terrible the following season and get another high lottery pick, which they can use to add another guard or wing. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hype Machine]

I honestly feel like the chances of the lottery balls "randomly" giving Philly the Lakers pick are slim to none. I’m told it’s close to 50%…..but I’m going to go with my inner cynic on this one.

I think the Sixers will use their own pick on Jamal Murray. That’s definitely not a bad outcome as I see future All-Star in my crystal ball. 

They’re still going to be terrible the following season and get another high lottery pick, which they can use to add another guard or wing. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[bmac697Participant]

My perfect draft and next years draft. The sixers dont get the top pick, goes to lakers they draft Ben Simmons. Philly settles for Brown, which I have no problem with. They make a couple trades to move up to draft murray who falls out of the top 5. Next year the sixers are still in the bottom 5, they finally win the draft lottery and get Jackson who will be their go to star player. The 2017 Sixers starting Line up Murray Brown Jackson Saric Embiid.

[bmac697Participant]

My perfect draft and next years draft. The sixers dont get the top pick, goes to lakers they draft Ben Simmons. Philly settles for Brown, which I have no problem with. They make a couple trades to move up to draft murray who falls out of the top 5. Next year the sixers are still in the bottom 5, they finally win the draft lottery and get Jackson who will be their go to star player. The 2017 Sixers starting Line up Murray Brown Jackson Saric Embiid.

[MopgrassParticipant]

I’d take Murray over Dunn. However, I still think Murray is a 2. I’m not sure it’s s great year to get a top flight PG. There are a lot of other positions of strength in this draft, not PG. 

[MopgrassParticipant]

I’d take Murray over Dunn. However, I still think Murray is a 2. I’m not sure it’s s great year to get a top flight PG. There are a lot of other positions of strength in this draft, not PG. 

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 I would take Simmons at 1 and then Bacon at 4 or 5.. I think he is the perfect compliment to Simmons. Plus him and Ben are good friends.

[Taylor Gang MikeParticipant]

 I would take Simmons at 1 and then Bacon at 4 or 5.. I think he is the perfect compliment to Simmons. Plus him and Ben are good friends.

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 enough to get that Lakers pick this year then I think you go w/ Murray…… His skill set just jumps off the screen while he’s at Kentucky….. Dunn is older & he was going to be drafted last year at about #15 – 20 ish…. No way can you take a mid level 1st round pick w/ the #4 pick (other Lottery)

[NBAjunkie81Participant]

 enough to get that Lakers pick this year then I think you go w/ Murray…… His skill set just jumps off the screen while he’s at Kentucky….. Dunn is older & he was going to be drafted last year at about #15 – 20 ish…. No way can you take a mid level 1st round pick w/ the #4 pick (other Lottery)

[MatosParticipant]

Sixers Draft Order:

1. Simmons

2. Ingram

3. Murray

4. Bender

5. Dunn – Although they dont take him unless other pick’s a shooter

6. Furkan Korkmaz

7. Demetrius Jackson

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MatosParticipant]

Sixers Draft Order:

1. Simmons

2. Ingram

3. Murray

4. Bender

5. Dunn – Although they dont take him unless other pick’s a shooter

6. Furkan Korkmaz

7. Demetrius Jackson

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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