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- Posted on: Fri, 02/05/2016 - 4:49pm #62684
ZachAttackParticipantSo this has been a really hot topic lately on what the limits of eligibility should be for the NBA Draft, so this kinda fits in well with what we’ve been talking about recently…
5-Star Recruit Jon Isaac to Try Declaring for 2016 NBA Draft out of High School
Link is above…
I want to know what you guys think about this… Also what you think the NBA will do about it.
I personally don’t see what the problem is with the NBA preventing High School students from joining the NBA straight from there. What’s the problem with it?
However, I’m certain the NBA will decline this attempt. There is no way that the NBA would back down from there rules so far… At least I’d think so
Also, from what I’ve seen of Johnathan Isaac he has really impressed me. Although, he isn’t the best in the 2017 class, I think he could gain some weight in the offseason and play pretty well in the NBA. He’s deemed as the next Kevin Durant, but then again, who isn’t?
Anyways, what do you guys think of this?
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/05/2016 - 5:09pm #1040992
JordanC20ParticipantHe’s not special he won’t get a free pass…he’ll have to play overseas or in the D-League like everyone else that doesn’t want to go to college.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/05/2016 - 5:09pm #1041128
JordanC20ParticipantHe’s not special he won’t get a free pass…he’ll have to play overseas or in the D-League like everyone else that doesn’t want to go to college.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/05/2016 - 5:29pm #1040996
Dev44ParticipantThis could work, remember you have to be 1 year removed from your original graduating class and in his case, this makes him a 5th year senior which allows him to be eligible for the draft. With the new rule in place that allows him to test the draft waters and still be able to go to school with no issues if he doesn’t get the feed back he thinks he should get. I think this is a great opportunity and a win win situation. The ultimate goal for these kids are to make pro, if he could be taking in the 1st round and have a guaranteed contract for the next 3 years, why not? Worst case, he’s 22 and ends up overseas making top dollar! I say do it!!!! And much luck to him.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/05/2016 - 5:29pm #1041132
Dev44ParticipantThis could work, remember you have to be 1 year removed from your original graduating class and in his case, this makes him a 5th year senior which allows him to be eligible for the draft. With the new rule in place that allows him to test the draft waters and still be able to go to school with no issues if he doesn’t get the feed back he thinks he should get. I think this is a great opportunity and a win win situation. The ultimate goal for these kids are to make pro, if he could be taking in the 1st round and have a guaranteed contract for the next 3 years, why not? Worst case, he’s 22 and ends up overseas making top dollar! I say do it!!!! And much luck to him.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/05/2016 - 5:55pm #1041000
JudgeMeNotParticipantWhat a fool, bide your time like everyone else, you are nothing different, basketball is a privilege
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/05/2016 - 5:55pm #1041136
JudgeMeNotParticipantWhat a fool, bide your time like everyone else, you are nothing different, basketball is a privilege
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/05/2016 - 8:27pm #1041160
raybeasParticipantA: He dum. B: He’s not eligible for the draft.
One year removed from graduating HS and 19yrs old is the NBA rule.
Is IMG Academy an academic institution? Or a place where pro prospects go to develop skills? I thought it was the latter, with no academic standing.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 02/05/2016 - 8:27pm #1041023
raybeasParticipantA: He dum. B: He’s not eligible for the draft.
One year removed from graduating HS and 19yrs old is the NBA rule.
Is IMG Academy an academic institution? Or a place where pro prospects go to develop skills? I thought it was the latter, with no academic standing.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 3:11am #1041196
DukeDaSquadParticipantDidn’t Satnam Singh Bhamara (not sure if i spelled it correct) do the same thing last year? and he attended IMG academy also i believe
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 3:11am #1041059
DukeDaSquadParticipantDidn’t Satnam Singh Bhamara (not sure if i spelled it correct) do the same thing last year? and he attended IMG academy also i believe
0- Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 3:13am #1041198
DukeDaSquadParticipantPlus Isaac wouldn’t even be 19 by time the draft comes around. He turns 19 in October
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 3:13am #1041061
DukeDaSquadParticipantPlus Isaac wouldn’t even be 19 by time the draft comes around. He turns 19 in October
0- Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 12:00pm #1041282
rhbispParticipantDevin Booker just turned 19 this past October. I think the rule is that you have to be at least 19 during the calendar year of that draft
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 12:00pm #1041145
rhbispParticipantDevin Booker just turned 19 this past October. I think the rule is that you have to be at least 19 during the calendar year of that draft
0- Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 6:28pm #1041205
DukeDaSquadParticipantI forgot, I was trying to look up a rule before commenting but i knew you guys would correct me if i was wrong
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 6:28pm #1041342
DukeDaSquadParticipantI forgot, I was trying to look up a rule before commenting but i knew you guys would correct me if i was wrong
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- Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 3:35am #1041202
TarHeelRavenParticipantThis guy would get eaten alive in the league. He should be glad there is a 19 year old draft rule now. Should keep him from making the biggest mistake of his life.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 3:35am #1041065
TarHeelRavenParticipantThis guy would get eaten alive in the league. He should be glad there is a 19 year old draft rule now. Should keep him from making the biggest mistake of his life.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 6:43am #1041222
rtbtParticipantThe one and done rule is idiotic. We have a small number of high school basketball players who have zero interest in college so why force them into that academic charade where they PRETENFCD to be a student for 6 months?
And the last time I checked this was America where FREEDOM is supposed to be at the top of our list. If a high school kid wants to apply for the NBA draft, he should be free to make that choice.
If you’re a computer wizard your senior year of high school and IBM or Google offer you a job for several hundred thousand dollars a year, you are free to make that choice. You don’t have to go to college for one year. Why should basketball be any different?
Note: I’m not saying it’s smart for high school kids to declare for the draft because it isn’t. I’m saying this is America and if that’s what they want, let them go for it.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 6:43am #1041085
rtbtParticipantThe one and done rule is idiotic. We have a small number of high school basketball players who have zero interest in college so why force them into that academic charade where they PRETENFCD to be a student for 6 months?
And the last time I checked this was America where FREEDOM is supposed to be at the top of our list. If a high school kid wants to apply for the NBA draft, he should be free to make that choice.
If you’re a computer wizard your senior year of high school and IBM or Google offer you a job for several hundred thousand dollars a year, you are free to make that choice. You don’t have to go to college for one year. Why should basketball be any different?
Note: I’m not saying it’s smart for high school kids to declare for the draft because it isn’t. I’m saying this is America and if that’s what they want, let them go for it.
0- Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 8:09am #1041228
GBeeParticipantYou sound young and naive as hell. That’s not how freedom works. The NBA is a private entity. They can set whatever job qualifications they want within the bounds of legality. It is not a right for prospects to play in their league, just like it was not my right to be a partner for PwC straight out of college. They could just as easily close the borders any year and say "nope, not hiring" and all these kids would just have to hold that.
As for Isaac, techically he has not graduated by definition. He can challenge that and he might slip through the cracks, but all it would do is expedite the "2 and through" policy and/or higher age limit. The NBA doesn’t want this sht.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 8:09am #1041091
GBeeParticipantYou sound young and naive as hell. That’s not how freedom works. The NBA is a private entity. They can set whatever job qualifications they want within the bounds of legality. It is not a right for prospects to play in their league, just like it was not my right to be a partner for PwC straight out of college. They could just as easily close the borders any year and say "nope, not hiring" and all these kids would just have to hold that.
As for Isaac, techically he has not graduated by definition. He can challenge that and he might slip through the cracks, but all it would do is expedite the "2 and through" policy and/or higher age limit. The NBA doesn’t want this sht.
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- Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 9:02am #1041240
McDunkin“Sources” also said Andre Drummmond and Mitch McGary were doing the same thing.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 9:02am #1041103
McDunkin“Sources” also said Andre Drummmond and Mitch McGary were doing the same thing.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 12:22pm #1041284
TarHeelRavenParticipantPeople are acting like playing in the league is a right. It’s not. Being in the NBA is a privilege. Guys are acting too entitled.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 12:22pm #1041147
TarHeelRavenParticipantPeople are acting like playing in the league is a right. It’s not. Being in the NBA is a privilege. Guys are acting too entitled.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 1:11pm #1041157
rtbtParticipantGbee, I’m probably a lot older than you. Next, this issue hasn’t been decided by the Supreme Court, but one lower court ruled in football that the age eligibility rules violate Anti-Trust laws. Many legal experts (not all) think the league could lose if it went to the Supreme Court.
But let’s put aside the legal argument until it’s decided in the courts. I wasn’t making a legal argument but a moral and an ethical one. If a high school graduate wants to pursue his dream in the NBA, he should be free to do such. He shouldn’t be forced to pretend he’s a student for 6 months taking phys ed courses to stay eligible.
As a little aside, did you know that first year college students only have to be academically eligible at the time of the NCAA tournament? In other words, as soon as the team finishes their run in the tournament, the kid can drop out of school and wait for the NBA Draft. He doesn’t even have to finish his 2nd semester. How stupid is that?
0- Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 4:31pm #1041193
GBeeParticipantYou could be older than me but you sure don’t sound like it bringing up American freedom fries bullsht in the face of private entities. This is not a matter of “ethics or morals” either. The NBA is not preventing these kids from earning a living. They are not any more obligated to allow kids who don’t meet their requirements than top F500 companies are obligated to hire prodigies with no work experience, who have shown no sustained level of expertise in their prospective field. They are not forcing these kids to go to school either. There are other avenues to get to the NBA. They could go to college, go to the D-League, go overseas…hell, they can sit on their ass for a year and collect agent advances (at their own peril, but it is an option nonetheless).
The association and the individual teams don’t owe these kids anything and they are not ethically obligated to serve them. Among the teams and the NBPA, these kids have no advocates. They are however obligated to serve their investors and the people involved in their organization. One way to serve their investors is by making sound investments. How does one make sound investments? By making more informed decisions on said investments. Fortunately for the league, they have the means to collectively bargain the mechanism that allows them to make more informed decisions. Kids have a right to chase their dreams, but the league has the right to set requirements for entry just like any other private entity, so the kids are just gonna have to wait their turn just like anyone else looking to join a field that has requirements. It is NOT their right to join a PRIVATE league. 1 year to evaluate at a higher level of competition above HS and 19 y/o is completely reasonable. The way the commissioner has been talking, I expect the age limit to go up, not down…and it’d still be reasonable.
Also, with the cap exploding, token role players commanding 8 figure annual salaries while rookie contracts remaining constant, getting early return on rookie contracts is paramount more than ever.
0- Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 6:26am #1041253
rtbtParticipantI’m going to upload three posts. Even though I’m not making this a legal argument, I’ll start by reviewing the law. This is actually one area where I agree with Gbee.
In 1971, Spencer Hayward challenged the NBA minimum age law and won. The Court ruled that in the absence of an antitrust exemption for basketball, a unilateral minimum age requirement enforced by the league, would violate the Sherman Act.
This next point is where I agree with Gbee, the NBA got around that ruling via the CBA which gives them legal standing as long standing Case Law has repeatedly supported this type of agreement. The NBA can have a minimum age requirement and avoid antitrust scrutiny, but that kind of rule must be a part of a CBA.
0- Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 6:31am #1041255
rtbtParticipantIn this post I’ll explain there is one other area where Gbee and I agree. The one area where we agree is this rule is for the benefit of the NBA, not the athlete. The minimum age rule, which often translates into a one and done player, brings enormous benefits to every team in the NBA. Instead of signing raw talents straight out of high school, the league benefits in the following ways.
1. The player usually receive elite coaching during their freshman season.
2. The player gain invaluable experience competing at a high level.
3. NBA teams have an entire year to scout the players against top competition as opposed to very weak high school teams.
It’s no wonder the NBA wants to bump up the minimum age another year. They’ll double the benefits listed above from one to two years. Let me point out that even though I’m opposed to the rule, I think the age minimum is essentially good for the young men. But let’s not kid ourselves, the NBA is doing this solely for their own benefit.
0- Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 6:49am #1041257
rtbtParticipantBefore I explain why I completely disagree with Gbee’s flawed logic, let me start with some indisputable logic.
1. The career of a professional athlete is very short.
2. Even that limited period of time can be permanently ended or severely limited as a result of a serious injury.
3. Therefore, athletes must take advantage of every opportunity they have in their brief career to maximize income. Losing even one year could possibly have a devastating financial impact.
Gbee said, “The association and the individual teams don’t owe these kids”. I disagree, they owe them the opportunity to compete just like everyone else.
Gbee said, “They could go to the D-League” How stupid is that point? It’s OK for an 18-year-old to play professional ball in something called the D-League but he’s not allowed to play in the NBA? I’m LOL!
Gbee also said, “They could go overseas”. Really? You can’t play basketball professionally in America but you can go to a foreign country? That isn’t how we do things in America. This is not BS, it’s Gbee who’s offering BS. The NBA, along with the NFL, are prime examples of pure competition in America. That’s what makes us a great country. Any citizen who wants to compete should have the opportunity to succeed or fail.
0- Posted on: Mon, 02/08/2016 - 12:38pm #1041484
GBeeParticipantFunny you bring up the Haywood case bc that involved an NBA team acquiring an established pro. Haywood had proven himself, not just above prep level in college, but internationally and against other grown men as well. The courts were in his favor and rightfully so. A proven pro should be allowed to join another professional league. But times have changed since and there are other avenues for income from a prospective basketball pro outside of the NBA. The NBA is the big dog, but players can get million dollar contracts plus endorsements elsewhere as we saw with Jennings and Mudiay. The NBA would not be denying a player from earning a living (a great amount of income at that) before the player meets the NBA’s requirements.
I don’t get it. So you agree that the league benefits from having requirements above preps to pros, yet you’re arguing against it? Aren’t you a fan of the NBA? If you’re a fan of the NBA you are a consumer of the NBA and as such you should demand a better quality product. If you think drafting kids who are more mature physically, mentally and in terms of basketball/life skills, who have proven themselves vs competition above HS would improve the quality of the product you consume, then why are you against it? Unless you’re some sort of fake SJW concerned about unproven kids having the opportunity to trick teams into giving them millions, while sounding the “freedom” horn, why would you care about these kids? Do you stand to benefit? Are you an agent or a prospect’s relative? I doubt it. Why should the NBA care? These kids are not in the league yet. Why should the players’ association care? These kids are looking to take some of the existing members’ jobs. They do not care and they are not obligated to.
Think of it from the perspective of a fan of a franchise too. Say your team was bottom of the barrel, top 5 in the lotto. Depending on the FA market, esp for a bad team, is such a risky, expensive (have to overpay) and often times unfruitful proposition. Top FAs do not want to go to young, bad teams so the direction of the franchise is solely dependent on the draft. If you’re a fan of a bad team would you really want your team to risk its future on unproven prep “studs” like Chris Walker, James McAdoo, Perry Jones, Josh Selby, Shabazz Muhammad, Austin Rivers, Skal, etc?
As for your last post: 1. So what? 2. So what? Maximizing earning potential is not a right. 3. Thems the breaks. A kid could get permanently injured in HS jeopardizing his pro potential. Do you want protection for them too?
No, the NBA doesn’t owe them sht. Talk about flawed logic, unless you’re a freaking commie. The NBA is a business. Their obligation is first and foremost to their investors, employees and indirectly to the consumers (bc happy consumers will consume more), but primarily the investors. They have to make decisions, including their barriers to entry, based on what they think would benefit their investors, not the country…and not humanity. The NBA is not a state run social service and they are not a charity.
Yes, they could play in the D-League bc they can earn money unlike in college while the NBA gets an opportunity to evaluate their talent vs players above the high school level. Same goes for playing overseas where they could make even more money. Again, these kids are not prevented from earning money while they wait 1 year.
Private companies having requirements for entry IS how they do things in America. I would’ve loved to have a 6 figure job straight out of college, but no, I had to show expertise in my field, prove myself and gain experience just like everyone else who has similar aspirations. Did I complain about companies “suppressing my freedom”, earning potential, ability to compete? Hell no, because I understood corporate America, the rights of private companies and the purpose of barriers to entry. The NBA has far less barriers to entry in terms of experience, but they exist for a reason. Refer to paragraph 2.
0- Posted on: Tue, 02/09/2016 - 8:06am #1041798
rtbtParticipantReading Gbee’s posts is the process of listening to an arrogant, self-righteous individual who sounds smart at times but then proves he never learned how to think logically.
He says the NBA is a business and of course it is. But we all know in America that means free market competition. If an 18-year-old thinks he can compete, let him try. Why is Gbee afraid of allowing 18 year olds to compete where they can fail or succeed like LeBron, Kobe, and Garnett? I have to LOL when Gbee calls me a commie when I’m the one standing up for individual freedom.
The NBA is essentially a monopoly in America. They can make any rules they want but when it comes to the freedom for everyone to compete, they shouldn’t be allowed to do that. I don’t want the government telling citizens what they can or cannot do and I certainly would never tolerate corporations taking on that role. That’s more important to me than maximizing NBA profits.
Next, he says 18 years olds can play pro ball in Europe but if they stay home they can’t and he’s OK with that. Are you kidding? Then Gbee says it’s OK for 18 year olds to play professional basketball in something called the “D” league but if you change the initials to “NBA”, they aren’t allowed to play. How dumb is that?
Gbee mentions that other private companies have rules but fails to mention they are not monopolies who control the entire market. If Google doesn’t want to hire a high school graduate who’s a computer genius, then he or she can go to IBM or any other high tech company. But the NBA won’t allow 18 year olds to compete fairly.
Gbee doesn’t understand that I like the NBA, I want them to succeed, but I draw the line at infringing upon am American’s right to compete freely. He even thinks I might be an agent. Believe me, I would never sink that low for my livelihood.
Finally, Gbee analyzes this issue solely from the perspective of the NBA and how it benefits them. But the NBA doesn’t operate in a vacuum. Their dumb rule impacts college basketball big time and that is the main reason I oppose this rule. I will address that in my next post.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 02/09/2016 - 8:06am #1041661
rtbtParticipantReading Gbee’s posts is the process of listening to an arrogant, self-righteous individual who sounds smart at times but then proves he never learned how to think logically.
He says the NBA is a business and of course it is. But we all know in America that means free market competition. If an 18-year-old thinks he can compete, let him try. Why is Gbee afraid of allowing 18 year olds to compete where they can fail or succeed like LeBron, Kobe, and Garnett? I have to LOL when Gbee calls me a commie when I’m the one standing up for individual freedom.
The NBA is essentially a monopoly in America. They can make any rules they want but when it comes to the freedom for everyone to compete, they shouldn’t be allowed to do that. I don’t want the government telling citizens what they can or cannot do and I certainly would never tolerate corporations taking on that role. That’s more important to me than maximizing NBA profits.
Next, he says 18 years olds can play pro ball in Europe but if they stay home they can’t and he’s OK with that. Are you kidding? Then Gbee says it’s OK for 18 year olds to play professional basketball in something called the “D” league but if you change the initials to “NBA”, they aren’t allowed to play. How dumb is that?
Gbee mentions that other private companies have rules but fails to mention they are not monopolies who control the entire market. If Google doesn’t want to hire a high school graduate who’s a computer genius, then he or she can go to IBM or any other high tech company. But the NBA won’t allow 18 year olds to compete fairly.
Gbee doesn’t understand that I like the NBA, I want them to succeed, but I draw the line at infringing upon am American’s right to compete freely. He even thinks I might be an agent. Believe me, I would never sink that low for my livelihood.
Finally, Gbee analyzes this issue solely from the perspective of the NBA and how it benefits them. But the NBA doesn’t operate in a vacuum. Their dumb rule impacts college basketball big time and that is the main reason I oppose this rule. I will address that in my next post.
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- Posted on: Mon, 02/08/2016 - 12:38pm #1041620
GBeeParticipantFunny you bring up the Haywood case bc that involved an NBA team acquiring an established pro. Haywood had proven himself, not just above prep level in college, but internationally and against other grown men as well. The courts were in his favor and rightfully so. A proven pro should be allowed to join another professional league. But times have changed since and there are other avenues for income from a prospective basketball pro outside of the NBA. The NBA is the big dog, but players can get million dollar contracts plus endorsements elsewhere as we saw with Jennings and Mudiay. The NBA would not be denying a player from earning a living (a great amount of income at that) before the player meets the NBA’s requirements.
I don’t get it. So you agree that the league benefits from having requirements above preps to pros, yet you’re arguing against it? Aren’t you a fan of the NBA? If you’re a fan of the NBA you are a consumer of the NBA and as such you should demand a better quality product. If you think drafting kids who are more mature physically, mentally and in terms of basketball/life skills, who have proven themselves vs competition above HS would improve the quality of the product you consume, then why are you against it? Unless you’re some sort of fake SJW concerned about unproven kids having the opportunity to trick teams into giving them millions, while sounding the “freedom” horn, why would you care about these kids? Do you stand to benefit? Are you an agent or a prospect’s relative? I doubt it. Why should the NBA care? These kids are not in the league yet. Why should the players’ association care? These kids are looking to take some of the existing members’ jobs. They do not care and they are not obligated to.
Think of it from the perspective of a fan of a franchise too. Say your team was bottom of the barrel, top 5 in the lotto. Depending on the FA market, esp for a bad team, is such a risky, expensive (have to overpay) and often times unfruitful proposition. Top FAs do not want to go to young, bad teams so the direction of the franchise is solely dependent on the draft. If you’re a fan of a bad team would you really want your team to risk its future on unproven prep “studs” like Chris Walker, James McAdoo, Perry Jones, Josh Selby, Shabazz Muhammad, Austin Rivers, Skal, etc?
As for your last post: 1. So what? 2. So what? Maximizing earning potential is not a right. 3. Thems the breaks. A kid could get permanently injured in HS jeopardizing his pro potential. Do you want protection for them too?
No, the NBA doesn’t owe them sht. Talk about flawed logic, unless you’re a freaking commie. The NBA is a business. Their obligation is first and foremost to their investors, employees and indirectly to the consumers (bc happy consumers will consume more), but primarily the investors. They have to make decisions, including their barriers to entry, based on what they think would benefit their investors, not the country…and not humanity. The NBA is not a state run social service and they are not a charity.
Yes, they could play in the D-League bc they can earn money unlike in college while the NBA gets an opportunity to evaluate their talent vs players above the high school level. Same goes for playing overseas where they could make even more money. Again, these kids are not prevented from earning money while they wait 1 year.
Private companies having requirements for entry IS how they do things in America. I would’ve loved to have a 6 figure job straight out of college, but no, I had to show expertise in my field, prove myself and gain experience just like everyone else who has similar aspirations. Did I complain about companies “suppressing my freedom”, earning potential, ability to compete? Hell no, because I understood corporate America, the rights of private companies and the purpose of barriers to entry. The NBA has far less barriers to entry in terms of experience, but they exist for a reason. Refer to paragraph 2.
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- Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 6:49am #1041394
rtbtParticipantBefore I explain why I completely disagree with Gbee’s flawed logic, let me start with some indisputable logic.
1. The career of a professional athlete is very short.
2. Even that limited period of time can be permanently ended or severely limited as a result of a serious injury.
3. Therefore, athletes must take advantage of every opportunity they have in their brief career to maximize income. Losing even one year could possibly have a devastating financial impact.
Gbee said, “The association and the individual teams don’t owe these kids”. I disagree, they owe them the opportunity to compete just like everyone else.
Gbee said, “They could go to the D-League” How stupid is that point? It’s OK for an 18-year-old to play professional ball in something called the D-League but he’s not allowed to play in the NBA? I’m LOL!
Gbee also said, “They could go overseas”. Really? You can’t play basketball professionally in America but you can go to a foreign country? That isn’t how we do things in America. This is not BS, it’s Gbee who’s offering BS. The NBA, along with the NFL, are prime examples of pure competition in America. That’s what makes us a great country. Any citizen who wants to compete should have the opportunity to succeed or fail.
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- Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 6:31am #1041392
rtbtParticipantIn this post I’ll explain there is one other area where Gbee and I agree. The one area where we agree is this rule is for the benefit of the NBA, not the athlete. The minimum age rule, which often translates into a one and done player, brings enormous benefits to every team in the NBA. Instead of signing raw talents straight out of high school, the league benefits in the following ways.
1. The player usually receive elite coaching during their freshman season.
2. The player gain invaluable experience competing at a high level.
3. NBA teams have an entire year to scout the players against top competition as opposed to very weak high school teams.
It’s no wonder the NBA wants to bump up the minimum age another year. They’ll double the benefits listed above from one to two years. Let me point out that even though I’m opposed to the rule, I think the age minimum is essentially good for the young men. But let’s not kid ourselves, the NBA is doing this solely for their own benefit.
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- Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 6:26am #1041390
rtbtParticipantI’m going to upload three posts. Even though I’m not making this a legal argument, I’ll start by reviewing the law. This is actually one area where I agree with Gbee.
In 1971, Spencer Hayward challenged the NBA minimum age law and won. The Court ruled that in the absence of an antitrust exemption for basketball, a unilateral minimum age requirement enforced by the league, would violate the Sherman Act.
This next point is where I agree with Gbee, the NBA got around that ruling via the CBA which gives them legal standing as long standing Case Law has repeatedly supported this type of agreement. The NBA can have a minimum age requirement and avoid antitrust scrutiny, but that kind of rule must be a part of a CBA.
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- Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 4:31pm #1041330
GBeeParticipantYou could be older than me but you sure don’t sound like it bringing up American freedom fries bullsht in the face of private entities. This is not a matter of “ethics or morals” either. The NBA is not preventing these kids from earning a living. They are not any more obligated to allow kids who don’t meet their requirements than top F500 companies are obligated to hire prodigies with no work experience, who have shown no sustained level of expertise in their prospective field. They are not forcing these kids to go to school either. There are other avenues to get to the NBA. They could go to college, go to the D-League, go overseas…hell, they can sit on their ass for a year and collect agent advances (at their own peril, but it is an option nonetheless).
The association and the individual teams don’t owe these kids anything and they are not ethically obligated to serve them. Among the teams and the NBPA, these kids have no advocates. They are however obligated to serve their investors and the people involved in their organization. One way to serve their investors is by making sound investments. How does one make sound investments? By making more informed decisions on said investments. Fortunately for the league, they have the means to collectively bargain the mechanism that allows them to make more informed decisions. Kids have a right to chase their dreams, but the league has the right to set requirements for entry just like any other private entity, so the kids are just gonna have to wait their turn just like anyone else looking to join a field that has requirements. It is NOT their right to join a PRIVATE league. 1 year to evaluate at a higher level of competition above HS and 19 y/o is completely reasonable. The way the commissioner has been talking, I expect the age limit to go up, not down…and it’d still be reasonable.
Also, with the cap exploding, token role players commanding 8 figure annual salaries while rookie contracts remaining constant, getting early return on rookie contracts is paramount more than ever.
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- Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 1:11pm #1041294
rtbtParticipantGbee, I’m probably a lot older than you. Next, this issue hasn’t been decided by the Supreme Court, but one lower court ruled in football that the age eligibility rules violate Anti-Trust laws. Many legal experts (not all) think the league could lose if it went to the Supreme Court.
But let’s put aside the legal argument until it’s decided in the courts. I wasn’t making a legal argument but a moral and an ethical one. If a high school graduate wants to pursue his dream in the NBA, he should be free to do such. He shouldn’t be forced to pretend he’s a student for 6 months taking phys ed courses to stay eligible.
As a little aside, did you know that first year college students only have to be academically eligible at the time of the NCAA tournament? In other words, as soon as the team finishes their run in the tournament, the kid can drop out of school and wait for the NBA Draft. He doesn’t even have to finish his 2nd semester. How stupid is that?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 11:33pm #1041223
MopgrassParticipantThe NBA is pushing in the opposite direction. They’re planning on requiring 2 years of college. I’m a little surprised because I’d think they want all the best players possible and as soon as possible. Perhaps the argument is that NBA teams are tired of filling their rosters with promising young players and having it clog their rosters, when they could be using those spots for veterans who have already developed all of their skills. Maybe they’d just rather have players who can hit the ground running.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/06/2016 - 11:33pm #1041360
MopgrassParticipantThe NBA is pushing in the opposite direction. They’re planning on requiring 2 years of college. I’m a little surprised because I’d think they want all the best players possible and as soon as possible. Perhaps the argument is that NBA teams are tired of filling their rosters with promising young players and having it clog their rosters, when they could be using those spots for veterans who have already developed all of their skills. Maybe they’d just rather have players who can hit the ground running.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 5:11am #1041237
OhCanada-ParticipantIf am an owner within an extremely lucritive sports association like the NBA I would prefer extremely mature employees within my organization. We’re talking about giving a kid out of high school half a million to 5 million dollars here and expecting him to act like a responsible adult. Most adults couldn’t do that I’m sure I would struggle.
The fact remains that the league tried allowing kids enter the league and what it did for the most part was ruined a lot of careers and helped bred a culture throughout the NBA of whiny crybabies and premadonna athletes (see the whole NBA today). Sure those kids got paid but the NBA did not benefit from creating this culture. The NBA is a business not a charity don’t forget this.
Jon Isaac seems like a smart kid but why would he assume his body is ready for the NBA. C’mon man! He looks like he’s 6’10 185! Gonna need 30-50 pounds of meat on those chicken bones son!
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 5:11am #1041374
OhCanada-ParticipantIf am an owner within an extremely lucritive sports association like the NBA I would prefer extremely mature employees within my organization. We’re talking about giving a kid out of high school half a million to 5 million dollars here and expecting him to act like a responsible adult. Most adults couldn’t do that I’m sure I would struggle.
The fact remains that the league tried allowing kids enter the league and what it did for the most part was ruined a lot of careers and helped bred a culture throughout the NBA of whiny crybabies and premadonna athletes (see the whole NBA today). Sure those kids got paid but the NBA did not benefit from creating this culture. The NBA is a business not a charity don’t forget this.
Jon Isaac seems like a smart kid but why would he assume his body is ready for the NBA. C’mon man! He looks like he’s 6’10 185! Gonna need 30-50 pounds of meat on those chicken bones son!
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 10:23am #1041442
HitsterParticipantDraft age rules are there, if the NBA’s got challenged then how long before the NHL, NFL’s etc were.
The idea of a player entering the combine and getting feedback on their draft status and still being college eligible is certainly interesting as a lot of guys who may be in two minds whether to declare could benefit from this.
0 - Posted on: Sun, 02/07/2016 - 10:23am #1041305
HitsterParticipantDraft age rules are there, if the NBA’s got challenged then how long before the NHL, NFL’s etc were.
The idea of a player entering the combine and getting feedback on their draft status and still being college eligible is certainly interesting as a lot of guys who may be in two minds whether to declare could benefit from this.
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