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- Posted on: Tue, 04/26/2011 - 4:49am #28330

mikeyvthedonParticipantAs recruiting classes for the 2011 HS Class have pretty much come to a close, I wanted to hear peoples thoughts about the class of 2012. It is looking like this may indeed be one of the deepest classes as far as post players is concerned in a LONG time. Right now, Scout has 7 of their top 25 players listed as Centers, which is unlike any class they have in their ranking archives. This is a nice change from 2011, which only had 1 in Rakim Christmas (though maybe a few others listed as PF’s who could be college C’s, such as Johnny O’Bryant).
To me, this class is an incredibly exciting one for multiple reasons. Not only does it have some incredibly intriguing post prospects, but it really has some great players across the board. Its talent may indeed lie at the top of its positional ladder in the form of Rodney Purvis (top rated PG, moved up from class of 2013), Ricardo Ledo (top SG), Shabazz Muhammad (top SF) and the battle for top PF between Brandon Ashley and Grant Jerrett. Still, the most exciting factor of this class is their depth in the post.
Andre Drummond, while scrutinized heavily by members of this board, is an incredibly rare prospect due to his combination of size, athleticism and skill set. While it is commonly remarked that he at times drifts off and does not always assert his dominance, it seems as if he is really coming into his own. Listed at 6’11 and anywhere from 250-270 pounds, Drummond appears incredibly agile for his size and his movement is what appears to make him stand out amongst his peers. He seems to be learning to take full advantage of his size, and proved so by leading St. Thomas More to the National Prep Championship and taking MVP honors. UCONN appears to be the school to beat for Drummond, and it appears that whoever lands his services will be getting a potential program changing post.
With Drummond, their are three other centers who all look like sure college contributors. DaJuan Coleman, at 6’10 and 280 pounds, with soft hands and a strong skill set, seems like maybe the best all-around player at this current time. Conditioning will of course be a focus, but as of right now, stopping DaJuan is easier said than done, and he should come out of the gates as a constant double double threat. His college choices appear to be numerous, though I would think his New York ties may lead him to Syracuse, and of course their are rumors that Kentucky is also in the mix. Either way, DaJuan is probably in the fight for being the top player in the class, and has tools to be a monster on the low block at any level as long as he keeps working.
The other two who should contribute out the gates both have verballed to Texas colleges, Isaiah Austin (Baylor) and Cameron Ridley (Texas). Isaiah is the nephew of former NBA big man Ike Austin, yet unlike his uncle, he is skinny as a rail. Nonetheless, he is a legit 7 foot lefty with a sweet mid range stroke. Drawing comparisons to Texas product Chris Bosh, Austin is nonetheless a strong defensive post presence, though building strength will have to be addressed. On the other hand, Ridley is a rugged low post guy, with some meat on his frame. He has a great low post touch and a nice back to the basket game. Conditioning may be an issue as well for Cameron, but he has a nice frame to start off with and should do more pushing around than being pushed even as a true freshman. He is probably the best Center prospect Rick Barnes has ever signed as far as being able to play in the post right off the bat.
As impressive as the top may be, the depth is what could make this class special at the post. Rounding out the 5 star prospects are Kaleb Tarczewski, a 7 footer with offers all over the board, Daniel Ochefu, a commit to Villanova and another promising big from Texas in Shaquille Cleare. From what has been reported, Cleare may indeed be the most developed of these players and could have a big impact as well. Tarczewski and Ochefu are both more projects that may be in school for a while, but could pay huge dividends down the road.
Still, their is even more depth here, as some 4-star guys may indeed move up the rankings of this class when all is said and done. Tony Parker, a 6’8 and 260 pound post not to be confused with the Spurs PG of the same name, is another player who could possibly contribute early in college. He has played for Team USA’s U-16 and U-17 teams, not to mention had a fantastic year in HS this past year. Steven Adams is a 7 foot prospect from New Zealand who has promised his services to Pittsburgh for over a year now, and showed a lot of promise at Adidas Nations. Mitch McGary is another prospect who was recently highlighted on the board, and he looks like another possible winner as a post prospect. The list even goes on to AJ Hammons and Landen Lucas, both of whom play at respective powers Oak Hill Academy and Findlay Prep, both of whom have been legitimate prospects even before than.
Huge posts seem to be another theme of this class, as their are some really big guys who use not only their height, but their size to their advantage. The biggest easily being Sim Bhullar, the Canadian import for Huntington Prep in West Virginia. Bhullar’s measurements are reportedly around 7’5 and 340 pounds, and while he is incredibly raw, he is also a terror to stop once he has the ball in the paint. Athleticism will be an issue, as will speed, but in limited minutes, he is nearly guranteed a couple close baskets and definitely provides a cog in the middle of a zone defense. Also, Joell James, a prospect from Florida listed at 6’10/280, is coming into his own. Zach Banner, who is a top rated OT in football, is another player to consider, as he wants to play basketball as well. With quick feet and a soft touch, Banner is a legit 6’9 and probably over 300 pounds.
This is just a small sampling, leaving out three major African projects, one of whom, Peter Jurkin (which is somehow his name) is committed to Indiana, talented skinny pivot Willie Cauley and a couple players rounding out the top 10 of scout in Robert Carter and Jarnell Stokes. What I wanted to pose as a final statement, is that this class could lead to one of the more exciting drafts we have had in a long time come 2013. The 2012 draft may be deeper, with arguably 3 of the top 4 of the top prospects from the class of 2010, not to mention probably most of the top talent in 2011, but the 2012 HS class might provide more depth in the long run than either of these classes. It is definitely becoming more of a guards league, and a bevy of the NBA’s top players are wings, but games are still won with rebounding and defense, in which post players play an invaluable role. This is why I think 2012 will more than likely be the best HS class since 2007, and neither 2013 or 2014, though both young classes, do not seem to have its depth. I know talented players come out of every class, and that each class tends to be known for something, but this classes big guys truly stand out after a fairly long drought of talent at the position, which gives something to look forward to for those wanting to see a resurgence in the field of post play.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/26/2011 - 5:52am #525278
SwatLakeCityParticipantI haven’t heard much about the 2012 class but it looks like it just as talented as the 2011 class maybe even more so. Don’t know who to really say that I am excited about. I’ll have to keep my ears open and see who I like the most.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/26/2011 - 6:10am #525286
Stevendrummond=awful. promise you that
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/26/2011 - 6:18am #525290

mikeyvthedonParticipantAbout the dangers of people here looking too much into highlight video’s, but here are a few that display what some of these guys can do.
Andre Drummond:
DaJuan Coleman:
Isaiah Austin (who is not a lefty, I apologize):
I saw Cameron Ridley this summer at Nations and came away very impressed, though he only has game tapes you can find on youtube. For good scout sites, there are scout.com, rivals.com and maxpreps.com. ESPN insider also has some decent info, though it is usually few and pretty far between.
One last video I will show is of another load in the paint, Shaquille Cleare:
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/26/2011 - 8:15am #525308

kngojcParticipantFrom that video of Andre Drummond, he kind of reminds me of Shawn Marion with his shot and his athletic ability. Time will tell if he can develop into something better than just Shawn Marion and turn into something more of an Amare Stoudemire type player.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/26/2011 - 8:43am #525313

mikeyvthedonParticipantOf looking too much into a highlight video. You may think their forms are similar (after all, Andre does have a fairly low release point, much like Marion’s), but as players, they are not at all in the long term. Andre may have great athleticism, but it is nowhere as freakish as Shawn’s, not to mention a clear difference in speed. However, Andre is 6’11 and around 260, which gives him 4 inches and about 20-30 pounds on Marion. I think it is definitely his focus to develop into being a player more along the lines of Stoudemire playing in the post.
You can not judge prospects on highlights alone though. It is after all, a HIGHLIGHT film. While it shows you how the guy runs, jumps and a few nice moves, plus maybe shows you their form and their instincts on blocking shots, it only focuses on plays they did well on. If you get actual game film or watch the game, than you can comment on how a guy plays, but highlights just showcase some nice plays, they tell you very little about a player and usually are not a good way to get a grip on how they play.
I notice this happening constantly, and I think it is something people need to really think about. It is easy to see a player do amazing things on tape without seeing them make any real mistakes, but it is not a good way of distinguishing them from others. Clearly, Andre has amazing athleticism for a player his size, but we learn very little about him as a player in that highlight besides that. These were just highlights from a tournament where he did well, but their is a lot that is not shown, which leads to reasons people think he may be overrated. I want to make a post about this and give a video example, but guys, remember, highlights are just that, plays in which the guy has done well. Their are clips that undoubtedly show mistakes at times, but most of the things you find on youtube are not exactly great scouting tools unless they have actual game footage where you see the player in situations outside of them dunking on someone or blocking a shot.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/26/2011 - 10:57am #525340

ZaratukParticipantGreat post mikey! I really enjoyed your post. Tha 2012 hs class could very well change the game in a few years.
For those who wanted to see Andre Drummond in an actual game, I found a clip where he’s facing Khem Birch arguably the best low post defender in the 2011 class.
Enjoy!
<embed>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFNJA8SH_pg&feature=channel_video_title<embed>
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/26/2011 - 11:29am #525358
SwatLakeCityParticipantJust a question that I’ve always had about this class: Is Dajuan Coleman related to Derrick Coleman the bruising PF of the Nets in the 90’s? I don’t mean for this to become the Colton Iverson so sorry if I am wrong. I would just like to know and I haven’t found anything on the internet to tell me if he his or is not. So is he?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/26/2011 - 11:43am #525369
SwatLakeCityParticipantThe 2012 class has got to be the biggest class I have ever seen. You want your future Center? Come and get him in the 2013 draft! You got Andre Drummond, Isaiah Austin, Cameron Ridley, Dajuan Coleman, Sim Bhullar, Zach Banner, and there are probably more too!!
Of course some of these players may end up being PF’s in the end but still to have 3 or 4 centers this mobile is unheard of. Can’t wait to see these guys in college!
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/26/2011 - 12:59pm #525385

delfamParticipantyou guys are sleeping on Kaleb Tarczewski, his the most skilled big man in the class and probably one of the most skilled big man of seen come out of high school in awhile. He has Pau Gasol esque post moves.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/26/2011 - 3:33pm #525469
scoutguruParticipantI’ll check back with you next year around this time after the all star circuit and there’s more write ups on them. Don’t know much about them besides their names. So we’ll see.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/26/2011 - 3:39pm #525475

mikeyvthedonParticipantAs too wardb, no, they are not related, their was a post about this recently where a person said he was DC’s son, and that was squashed. I would not be saying Kaleb is Pau Gasol just yet, I have seen him and it seems like he still needs some seasoning. I do not believe I am sleeping on him, but I think it will take time for him to develop and feel like he is not as immediate impact as some of the other big guys in this class.
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/dajuan-coleman-did-anyone-know-he-derrick-colemans-son
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/26/2011 - 3:48pm #525491

WizardofOzParticipantShaquille Cleare is a BEAST! He’s likely coming to Maryland too! He’s the next Shaq! j/k, but he’ll be a load in the paint for Maryland.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 04/26/2011 - 5:10pm #525520
cward23ParticipantVery good big man class but some are NBA pf. Coleman is only 6’9 max( might be 6’8) Austin is a sf/pf..spends 80 percent of his time on the wing which isnt a bad thing because he is a good ball handler and good jump shooter.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 05/04/2011 - 6:26am #528242

mikeyvthedonParticipanthttp://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=45&yr=2012
Mitch McGary moved up to a 5 star, as did Robert Upshaw, a close to 7 footer out of Cali. 16 of the top 25 players are listed as being either a PF/C. Andre Drummond holds onto the #1 spot, followed by Isaiah Austin. Shabazz Muhammad stays at the top of the wings.
Here is their top 25, just as a keepsake to see how things change as the summer and HS year progresses:
1. Andre Drummond, C
2. Isaiah Austin, C: Baylor
3. Shabazz Muhammad, SG/SF (What I see him as)
4. DaJuan Coleman, C
5. Kaleb Tarczewski, C
6. Cameron Ridley, C: Texas
7. Ricardo Ledo, SG
8. Rodney Purvis, PG/SG
9. Brandon Ashley, PF
10. Archie Goodwin, SG
11. Robert Carter, PF (Was listed as a C during last rankings)
12. William "Shaq" Goodwin, PF
13. Alex Poythress, SF
14. Gary Harris, SG
15. Mitch McGary, C
16. Grant Jerrett, PF: Arizona
17. Kyle Anderson PG/PF (Still listed as a PF, though in college he should play any position in between)
18. Rasheed Sulaimon, SG: Duke
19. Perry Ellis, PF
20. Shaquille Cleare, C
21. Amile Jefferson, PF
22. Hanner Perea, PF: Indiana
23. D’Vauntes Smith-Rivera, SG
24. Robert Upshaw, C
25. Torian Graham, SG
Next 5: Jeremy Hollowell (Indiana), Tony Parker, Jerami Grant, Braxton Ogbueze (currently the highest rated PG as listed by Scout, Florida), Marcus Paige (North Carolina)
Out of the top 25, only 5 have given verbal commitments to schools. Should be a very interesting next few months. Wonder what Kentucky has up its sleeve? Early recruiting winners thus far are North Carolina (Marcus Paige, JP Tokoto), Florida (Braxton Ogbueze, Michael Frazier) and Villanova (Ryan Arcidiacono, Daniel Ochefu). Michigan State got a couple nice front court prospects early as well in Kenny Kaminski and Matt Costello. Thus far though, Tom Crean has an early head start on his recruiting class in Bloomington. Indiana has 5 guys already, with verbals from Hanner Perea, Jeremy Hollowell, Kevin "Yogi" Ferrell (serious sleeper), Ron Patterson and African Center Peter Jurkin. Not to mention, each one fills out the cycle spectrum for the different positions. I do not know their scholarship situation, but they already have a nice class and seem to be in the running for a few more players. With two of the top 2014 prospects also giving verbals to Coach Crean (James Blackmon and Trey Lyles), looks like Indiana is on the upswing.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 05/04/2011 - 11:23am #528340

paradigmnParticipantI got NEGATIVED big time for trying to give props to MITCH McGARY and saying he was going to move up in the rankings…LOL…http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/mitch-mcgary-blowing
0 - Posted on: Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:58pm #528417
aamir543ParticipantI am so glad, and I hope the center position will be revived because the position is basically dead. Dwight, Bougt, Perkins, Noah and bunch of Power Foward whom we could stretch to centers, but there has never been this kind of emptyness in this position. If Shaq were young right now, could shoot free throws, and did not get in foul trouble, 45-18 is a realistic average against this type of talent. However, there are a good amount of Power Fowards who play as undersized centers, but we need a talent boom at that position.
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