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  • #64442
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    2quick4u
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     1. steph curry had one of the best and most exciting individual performance in regular season of all the time but…at the same time he had one of the most disappointing finals ever by a star..

    2. lebron shut many mouths and deserves a lot of credit, he also proved he’s a top 5 player in the all time list but at the same time he showed he’ll never be like Mike..

    3. bogut is as important as curry or green in this warriors team. i said it before in other post when the thunders were killing them 3-1 and bogut was playing less than 10 min a game..next two games he played 30min/g and warriors won the series..in the finals happened the same plus he got injured last 2 games..result=warriors lose. 

    4. related with the above, the best small ball works when the warriors play 4 smalls plus bogut as rim protector and facilitator. small ball with 5 smalls only works in some stretches of the game or when they play small teams..if not, it has been proved that doesn’t work..

    5. kyrie irving is the most talented offensive player of the cavs, by far..

    6. draymond green deserves what ever he asks for, he is a monster..

    7. harrison barnes doesn’t, he’s a bust..

    8. kevin love finally showed what he is, a borderline all-star..at best..

    9. cavs should trade him(love) for a top 5 pick..or whatever they can get..

    10. warriors don’t need durant what they need is pau gasol..

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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     How did LeBron show "he’ll never be like Mike" by winning his third title before the age of 32, and delivering a historically efficient, versatile, and dominant performance, en route to an unprecedented comeback? 

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  • #1077956
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     How did LeBron show "he’ll never be like Mike" by winning his third title before the age of 32, and delivering a historically efficient, versatile, and dominant performance, en route to an unprecedented comeback? 

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  • #1077851
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     Also, you say that Kevin Love is a borderline All-Star at best, and then in the next point you contend that he could fetch a top-5 pick. These are contradictory propositions.  

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  • #1077958
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     Also, you say that Kevin Love is a borderline All-Star at best, and then in the next point you contend that he could fetch a top-5 pick. These are contradictory propositions.  

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  • #1077855
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     Kevin Love had a good Game 7.  Now, if he can keep on rebounding and hustling like that, and get his jumper back, I like the Love-TT combo inside.  It’s a variation of small ball (with LeBron at the 3) but not really that small (and pretty long).  They probably need to turn Mozgov and Frye into a higher end rim protector.  Not saying Dwight Howard or Jo Noah or Pau Gasol is the guy but who knows…  actually quite a good fit for Dirk.  Dirk can play some 4 and also some small ball 5 next to either TT, Love, or LeBron.  Gives them the long range jumpers and the 3’s, but also the mid-range game and the high/low post.  

    I think LeBron is the frontrunner for next year’s MVP award.  Close second goes to Russell Westbrook.  After a mediocre (for him, at best) Finals, Steph would be in the top 5 still but probably behind Kevin Durant — maybe even Kawhi Leonard.

    I think Draymond Green needs to do even more.  He is the heart and soul of the team.  

    Kyrie Irving can PLAY.  Currently in the Mount Rushmore of Current NBA Point Guards along with CP3, Russellmania, and Steph Bomb.  Great company.

    The Warriors could use Pau, but they could REALLY USE Kevin Durant.  Barnes was a dud in the Finals.  Durant can play the 3 but also the Stretch Four spot.  Kinda like Dirk in that his long range jumper and 3 can really get going, but his mid-range and post games can help pay some bills, too.  Can help out on the boards, and his freakish length gets him some blocked shots.  Can’t argue with a potential Big Four of Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Draymond Green, and Klay Thompson.  With Bogut under contract, no need to spend a ton of money on an aging inside big man (unless they can get Pau cheap).  Noah could also be an option here.

    Back to Harrison Barnes: Don’t think he deserved a roster spot on the Zika Warriors Traveling All Stars.  Lots of options at the 3, and even the 2.  Probably not even my top Warriors small forward pick — gotta like what Iggy did a few years ago.  

    A few of the college kids might have made more sense.  Buddy Hield is a PURE SHOOTER and you can never have too much shooting in basketball.  Kris Dunn would have given us a third string point guard and a guy who can defend (and brings some decent size, too).  If they had wanted a do-it-all utility small forward, then Denzel Valentine might have been a decent fit (a guy who would be happy to be there and not demanded a ton of minutes).  Valentine had a really good college career and is a guy with lots of fundaments.  Could have given us a combo point forward and 3 and D guy.  Either of these three guys along with Brandon Ingram to a lesser extent might have been a better fit for Rio, and a possible fixture on future Olympic teams and World Cup teams.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1077962
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     Kevin Love had a good Game 7.  Now, if he can keep on rebounding and hustling like that, and get his jumper back, I like the Love-TT combo inside.  It’s a variation of small ball (with LeBron at the 3) but not really that small (and pretty long).  They probably need to turn Mozgov and Frye into a higher end rim protector.  Not saying Dwight Howard or Jo Noah or Pau Gasol is the guy but who knows…  actually quite a good fit for Dirk.  Dirk can play some 4 and also some small ball 5 next to either TT, Love, or LeBron.  Gives them the long range jumpers and the 3’s, but also the mid-range game and the high/low post.  

    I think LeBron is the frontrunner for next year’s MVP award.  Close second goes to Russell Westbrook.  After a mediocre (for him, at best) Finals, Steph would be in the top 5 still but probably behind Kevin Durant — maybe even Kawhi Leonard.

    I think Draymond Green needs to do even more.  He is the heart and soul of the team.  

    Kyrie Irving can PLAY.  Currently in the Mount Rushmore of Current NBA Point Guards along with CP3, Russellmania, and Steph Bomb.  Great company.

    The Warriors could use Pau, but they could REALLY USE Kevin Durant.  Barnes was a dud in the Finals.  Durant can play the 3 but also the Stretch Four spot.  Kinda like Dirk in that his long range jumper and 3 can really get going, but his mid-range and post games can help pay some bills, too.  Can help out on the boards, and his freakish length gets him some blocked shots.  Can’t argue with a potential Big Four of Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Draymond Green, and Klay Thompson.  With Bogut under contract, no need to spend a ton of money on an aging inside big man (unless they can get Pau cheap).  Noah could also be an option here.

    Back to Harrison Barnes: Don’t think he deserved a roster spot on the Zika Warriors Traveling All Stars.  Lots of options at the 3, and even the 2.  Probably not even my top Warriors small forward pick — gotta like what Iggy did a few years ago.  

    A few of the college kids might have made more sense.  Buddy Hield is a PURE SHOOTER and you can never have too much shooting in basketball.  Kris Dunn would have given us a third string point guard and a guy who can defend (and brings some decent size, too).  If they had wanted a do-it-all utility small forward, then Denzel Valentine might have been a decent fit (a guy who would be happy to be there and not demanded a ton of minutes).  Valentine had a really good college career and is a guy with lots of fundaments.  Could have given us a combo point forward and 3 and D guy.  Either of these three guys along with Brandon Ingram to a lesser extent might have been a better fit for Rio, and a possible fixture on future Olympic teams and World Cup teams.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • #1077857
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    1. I’ll concede, but Steph did have a nagging injury and posted 2 brilliant games in the finals as well.
    2. Why does the comparison continue be the major theme about LJ’s career, MJ was never going to win 11 championships or protect the rim like Bill Russel, Lebron is a much different kind of player than Mike, and a very strong case can be made that his career as whole will end up surpassing MJ’s.  If it’s about rings, Lebron is halfway there.
    3. Bogut does his thing, but he’s no where near as valuable as Steph.  Klay is there 2nd most valuable player over Draymond, and to be honest Dirty dirty fukc Draymond gets glorified because of the Warriors versatility and style of play, he’s a great player, 2nd team All NBA he is not, that game 7 performance was the best of his life, but he faded down the stretch and didn’t look to dominate the game like he should have.  He’s an elite junkyard dog, nothing more, nothing less.
    4. Their best lineup +/- wise was when Draymond was playing the 5, that’s inarguable.
    5. No, not yet, Lebron is sill a far superior offensive player.  Offense is about more than scoring, and scoring from an iso off the dribble approach, Kyrie is great, he’s not the King.
    6. He’s already locked up, can’t really go making any demands.  He does his job well, but he couldn’t will his team to victory when he played the best game of his life. Nuff said.
    7. Barnes is not a bust, he made team USA for a reason.  He’s versatile, effective offensively and defensively, and very humble.  Doesn’t need the ball to affect the game and he’s still very young.  A superstar he is not, but I think he’s a very solid piece on a contending team, and a star on mediocre team, think a comparison to Wes Mathews is pretty solid, Wessy wes was nearing star status before injuries.
    8. KLove is a proven All-star.  His defense is underrated because he makes the heady play as opposed to athletic one.  He’s an elite rebounder and very good shooter, can score in the post and the best outlet passer after a defensive rebound in the game.  He’s more than a borderline All Star even if he is only the third best player on his team.
    9. No. No. No,
    10. The Warriors with Durant are far scarier than the Warriors with Pau Gasol.  Gasol would slow them down and while he’s a very smart defender his lateral quickness is fading fast and wouldn’t be able to do what Bogut does on defense, and I’m not a big fan of what Bogut does. If the Warriors could run out a lineup featuring Curry/Thompson/Durant they’d laugh at the rest of the NBA.  

    Try again 2quick4u,.

     

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  • #1077964
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    J-rueMykel
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    1. I’ll concede, but Steph did have a nagging injury and posted 2 brilliant games in the finals as well.
    2. Why does the comparison continue be the major theme about LJ’s career, MJ was never going to win 11 championships or protect the rim like Bill Russel, Lebron is a much different kind of player than Mike, and a very strong case can be made that his career as whole will end up surpassing MJ’s.  If it’s about rings, Lebron is halfway there.
    3. Bogut does his thing, but he’s no where near as valuable as Steph.  Klay is there 2nd most valuable player over Draymond, and to be honest Dirty dirty fukc Draymond gets glorified because of the Warriors versatility and style of play, he’s a great player, 2nd team All NBA he is not, that game 7 performance was the best of his life, but he faded down the stretch and didn’t look to dominate the game like he should have.  He’s an elite junkyard dog, nothing more, nothing less.
    4. Their best lineup +/- wise was when Draymond was playing the 5, that’s inarguable.
    5. No, not yet, Lebron is sill a far superior offensive player.  Offense is about more than scoring, and scoring from an iso off the dribble approach, Kyrie is great, he’s not the King.
    6. He’s already locked up, can’t really go making any demands.  He does his job well, but he couldn’t will his team to victory when he played the best game of his life. Nuff said.
    7. Barnes is not a bust, he made team USA for a reason.  He’s versatile, effective offensively and defensively, and very humble.  Doesn’t need the ball to affect the game and he’s still very young.  A superstar he is not, but I think he’s a very solid piece on a contending team, and a star on mediocre team, think a comparison to Wes Mathews is pretty solid, Wessy wes was nearing star status before injuries.
    8. KLove is a proven All-star.  His defense is underrated because he makes the heady play as opposed to athletic one.  He’s an elite rebounder and very good shooter, can score in the post and the best outlet passer after a defensive rebound in the game.  He’s more than a borderline All Star even if he is only the third best player on his team.
    9. No. No. No,
    10. The Warriors with Durant are far scarier than the Warriors with Pau Gasol.  Gasol would slow them down and while he’s a very smart defender his lateral quickness is fading fast and wouldn’t be able to do what Bogut does on defense, and I’m not a big fan of what Bogut does. If the Warriors could run out a lineup featuring Curry/Thompson/Durant they’d laugh at the rest of the NBA.  

    Try again 2quick4u,.

     

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  • #1077879
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    Reptilian Monk
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     Never say never. Using absolutes that something will never happen or he will never be as good limits the potential of the future and is weak thinking. It is ignorant thinking you can predict the future and setting an untocuhable standard that can not be reached is childish thinking and makes the present less important because noone can live up to your unattainable standard.

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    • #1077901
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      for why LJ can never be MJ was he has never saved the looney tunes from impending doom and the Monstars.  Well I’m pretty sure Space Jam 2 is in production, and guess who is going to be cast as the Hero.  Apparently LJ will be as good as MJ!!!  

      In all seriousness.  When MJ won titles the league was nowhere near where it is globally, equaling a smaller talent pool, and in both 1989 and 1990 there were expansion franchises being built so the competion was also weaker in that sense.  MJ made basketball global. Kobe made it hip-hop. And Lebron has made it a social platform.  It’s called evolution.  

      MJ will never win as many championships as Bill Russel, or Robert Horry for that matter.

      Lebron is always going to have haters, because America percieves things extremely negatively because that is the dynamic of the culture.  And most casual fans of the younger generation have fonder memories of Jordan because he was either their childhood favorite (Who else were you going to root for Patrick Ewing or Karl Malone? No), or they watched him save the world on Space Jam.  Older generation casual fans, want to call Jordan the greatest because they don’t like the new hip-hop swag that inflitrated NBA basketball in the 2000s and choose to elevate Jordan to an unreachable status, when in all actuality, every one of Jordan’s title teams were great teams even without Jordan. Want proof, In the 1994 playoffs without MJ, The Bulls pushed eventual Eastern Confernce Champ NYK to seven games, and had a chance at winning the series.  In 1995 with MJ the Bulls lost to team that was only 5 years old led by a 22 year old and a 21 year old.  Both series were in the Eastern Conference Semi Finals, meaning they were actually considerably closer to winning a title without Jordan than with him a year later. I’m not trying to downplay MJ’s significance, on the contrary, MJ was his airness, if it wasn’t for MJ, LJ might not exists.  But to pretend that MJ is on this magic pedestal above everyone else, and LJ is a failure unless he eclipses it, in what most of Lebron detractors have already deemed unreachable, just proves that person shedding said perspective has a very closed mind. 

       

        

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    • #1078008
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      for why LJ can never be MJ was he has never saved the looney tunes from impending doom and the Monstars.  Well I’m pretty sure Space Jam 2 is in production, and guess who is going to be cast as the Hero.  Apparently LJ will be as good as MJ!!!  

      In all seriousness.  When MJ won titles the league was nowhere near where it is globally, equaling a smaller talent pool, and in both 1989 and 1990 there were expansion franchises being built so the competion was also weaker in that sense.  MJ made basketball global. Kobe made it hip-hop. And Lebron has made it a social platform.  It’s called evolution.  

      MJ will never win as many championships as Bill Russel, or Robert Horry for that matter.

      Lebron is always going to have haters, because America percieves things extremely negatively because that is the dynamic of the culture.  And most casual fans of the younger generation have fonder memories of Jordan because he was either their childhood favorite (Who else were you going to root for Patrick Ewing or Karl Malone? No), or they watched him save the world on Space Jam.  Older generation casual fans, want to call Jordan the greatest because they don’t like the new hip-hop swag that inflitrated NBA basketball in the 2000s and choose to elevate Jordan to an unreachable status, when in all actuality, every one of Jordan’s title teams were great teams even without Jordan. Want proof, In the 1994 playoffs without MJ, The Bulls pushed eventual Eastern Confernce Champ NYK to seven games, and had a chance at winning the series.  In 1995 with MJ the Bulls lost to team that was only 5 years old led by a 22 year old and a 21 year old.  Both series were in the Eastern Conference Semi Finals, meaning they were actually considerably closer to winning a title without Jordan than with him a year later. I’m not trying to downplay MJ’s significance, on the contrary, MJ was his airness, if it wasn’t for MJ, LJ might not exists.  But to pretend that MJ is on this magic pedestal above everyone else, and LJ is a failure unless he eclipses it, in what most of Lebron detractors have already deemed unreachable, just proves that person shedding said perspective has a very closed mind. 

       

        

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  • #1077986
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     Never say never. Using absolutes that something will never happen or he will never be as good limits the potential of the future and is weak thinking. It is ignorant thinking you can predict the future and setting an untocuhable standard that can not be reached is childish thinking and makes the present less important because noone can live up to your unattainable standard.

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  • #1077899
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    I was thinking Pau Gasol for GS, he is a good teammate and would fit in nicely with their team.

    Barnes will be easy enough to replace, there will be quite a few decent SF lining up to get into GS….

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    • #1077905
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      That unless GSW lands KD, Harrison Barnes is going to take a team friendly deal and stay in the Bay.  He’s an intelligent kid and I believe he’d rather compete for championships rather than make 3-5 extra million a year.  I fully expect KD to be back in OKC, and repeat the free agent process again next year when RWB is a free agent and they can make a decision together.  He loves OKC to much not to give it another go.   If GSW lures him away, it’s bad news for the NBA.  #Dynasty. Probably the three best shooters in the game on one team.  That’d be insane.

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      • #1078016
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        I lost respect for Barnes when he turned down a 4 x $16mill contract extension from warriors – I thought that was more than fair of the warriors…

        Curry is on 4 x $11mill contract.

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      • #1077909
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        I lost respect for Barnes when he turned down a 4 x $16mill contract extension from warriors – I thought that was more than fair of the warriors…

        Curry is on 4 x $11mill contract.

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        • #1078026
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          It doesn’t bother me that Barnes wanted more. It’s really up to him. Some guys can get the money and a winning team, some guys just get one. Maybe he wants more money if he takes a lesser role or feels he could go elsewhere to get paid more and be a bigger focus. The owners treat negotiating like business, so no reason the players cannot do the same.

          I personally think he’s going to be a career long role player, but nothing wrong with him wanting more. Sure Curry has a low contract, but that has more to do with his injury history at the time. Both sides were willing to take a gamble at that point.  As I see it, you are worth whatever anyone is willing to pay you. Despite that bad finals showing, if Barnes has a decent agent I think he can get more than the original deal. He’s young, athletic, can shoot, and can always say he wasn’t given the chance to do more because he played within the team. He just needs one team to take that chance and teams with cap space often make dumb moves.

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        • #1077919
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          It doesn’t bother me that Barnes wanted more. It’s really up to him. Some guys can get the money and a winning team, some guys just get one. Maybe he wants more money if he takes a lesser role or feels he could go elsewhere to get paid more and be a bigger focus. The owners treat negotiating like business, so no reason the players cannot do the same.

          I personally think he’s going to be a career long role player, but nothing wrong with him wanting more. Sure Curry has a low contract, but that has more to do with his injury history at the time. Both sides were willing to take a gamble at that point.  As I see it, you are worth whatever anyone is willing to pay you. Despite that bad finals showing, if Barnes has a decent agent I think he can get more than the original deal. He’s young, athletic, can shoot, and can always say he wasn’t given the chance to do more because he played within the team. He just needs one team to take that chance and teams with cap space often make dumb moves.

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    • #1078012
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      That unless GSW lands KD, Harrison Barnes is going to take a team friendly deal and stay in the Bay.  He’s an intelligent kid and I believe he’d rather compete for championships rather than make 3-5 extra million a year.  I fully expect KD to be back in OKC, and repeat the free agent process again next year when RWB is a free agent and they can make a decision together.  He loves OKC to much not to give it another go.   If GSW lures him away, it’s bad news for the NBA.  #Dynasty. Probably the three best shooters in the game on one team.  That’d be insane.

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  • #1078006
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    I was thinking Pau Gasol for GS, he is a good teammate and would fit in nicely with their team.

    Barnes will be easy enough to replace, there will be quite a few decent SF lining up to get into GS….

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  • #1078028
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    Bogut is an important part of that team, but he’s not equal to the guys you mentioned. When Bogut is focused and locked in he’s an excellent defender, hustles, can get you a basket on the block. He’s great against bigger and/or slower teams. At times he has problems with moving his feet, so he ends up reaching or committing dumb fouls. This tends to happen the most against more athletic teams. That’s why he didn’t get a lot of minutes against OKC or the Cavs prior to injury. People seem to have a short memory of his playing time dwindling in the finals during the previous year.

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  • #1077921
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    Bogut is an important part of that team, but he’s not equal to the guys you mentioned. When Bogut is focused and locked in he’s an excellent defender, hustles, can get you a basket on the block. He’s great against bigger and/or slower teams. At times he has problems with moving his feet, so he ends up reaching or committing dumb fouls. This tends to happen the most against more athletic teams. That’s why he didn’t get a lot of minutes against OKC or the Cavs prior to injury. People seem to have a short memory of his playing time dwindling in the finals during the previous year.

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