How young Wilt and Bill would do today?

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Furthermore, I bet you could

Furthermore, I bet you could find any 6'9" guy... dedicate his life to basketball, and give him the treatment that current NBA players do and they would probably be able to play in the NBA.

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You can't seriously believe this...there are hundreds of college basketball players every year that are 6-9 or taller that never even get a sniff of the NBA

This whole thread was a hypothetical, in your hypothetical situation Russell is apparently being transported by a time machine and immediately getting plugged into an NBA starting lineup. Obviously he wouldn't make a difference, he probably wouldn't even know the plays his team was running and would probably be disoriented from his time travel experience.

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How do you expain someone

How do you expain someone like John Stockton to today's player? If you picked him out of a lineup, he might be thought of as the accountant. Clearly his abilities are not so related to the advanced human species you are making us all laugh about. Oh wait...he's just a great ball player who knows how to shoot, pass, dribble, defend, and play smart and hard. By your argument, guys like Terrence Ross, Tony Mitchell, and JR Smith should be light years ahead of poor old caveman Stockton who just could not hang in today's game against the likes of Bismack Biyombo or someone like that with modern day athleticism.

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Dude, every reply that I have

Dude, every reply that I have given you, your following post has completely ignored what I have said... or you twist my words into somehow taking my comparison of a Kia, and making it a Ferrari?

You are proving my point. John Stockton has basketball skills!!! That's how you explain this dummy.

Which brings me back to what SKILLS did Bill Russell have? How would his game translate into anything other than a hustle big man in todays game? When his obvious athleticism and usually routine height advantage are nullified but everybody else being just as big and just as fast as him.

You just made my point. He had no skills that would make him stand out today. His athleticsm would be average, his height would be below average. This is my point.

If you can't see that someone who played and dominated in the 50's wouldn't be able to do so today then I can't help you.

Obviously if you are talking about bringing him up with todays training and technology then it is obviously a different story. A stupid one, considering the same could be said for pretty much any NBA player at any time... but yeah that would be a different story.

You guys are &$#%#[email protected]! high.

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In all my replies I refrained

In all my replies I refrained from attacking you personally. I fact in one reply, I signed off "respectfully". Now you are showing your weakeness by calling me a dummy and a druggie.

Simple question, could Michael Jordan of the 1980's be elite today? If you say yes, then his pro career started about a decade later than Wilt's ended. Using the same logic, why wouldn't Wilt have been successful in Jordan's day then? Or today? If no, then I seriously question your basketball mind although I won't call you a dummy, druggie, dumbazz, imbecile, or any other derogatory term you care to write.

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If I could neg you more than

If I could neg you more than once on this, I would. You simply have no idea what you are talking about.

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Great question. I believe

Great question. I believe one can really only say what they did during the era they competed in. I then look to judge their accomplishemnts in terms of winning rings, being recognized as one of the best in your era through all-pro teams, all-star games, statistics, etc. Those become metrics you could judge objectively over time. I've been compiling an ongoing list for 20 years now and try to be "objective" in my formula. My personal favorite player of all time is Magic, I'm not much of a Kobe fan, so at least you can see that it's unbiased. Here's the top 12. It's not a bad list the way to comes out. Fans will always argue their favs and should, its fun!

Jordan

Abdul-Jabbar

Russell

Chamberlain

Duncan

Bryant

Johnson

James (will continue to climb)

Bird

O'neal

Erving

Olajuwon

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I hate these questions

These questions are ridiculous. There isn't a single sport where athletes could be instantly transported from the '60's and could compete (excepting maybe baseball, and even then I am not sure).

Every '60's Olympic record has been broken, the average NFL lineman weighed about 250lbs and NHL players looked like they were skating through jello. The entire question of whether they could be instantly contend is absurd.

These guys partied every night and made a fraction of what todays players make. The average NFL player had to work full-time in the summer to make ends meet. No one had ever seen a weight room, had a fitness coach, studied game tape or had any sort of advance statistical analysis. They would be totally lost today.

Since we are then comparing apples and oranges, why bother? I like apples, you like oranges and we can never agree on anything.

Please, can we stop the insanity? I can't believe I ever bothered to read eveyone's replies.

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Today they'd dominate the 70

Today they'd dominate the 70 and over league.

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Magic Jordan's credibility is

Magic Jordan's credibility is really taking a pounding in this thread.

I see a name change coming up...but it won't be Bill Chamberlain.

Perhaps Mugsy Bol?

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No, my names don't get banned

No, my names don't get banned like yours. And I don't chase pluses and minuses... I could give two &$#%#[email protected]! about those. But you have just confirmed my belief that you are indeed T-Rex. I have thought this account was also you but I have held off. I am 90% sure this is just another account.

You are a sociopath.

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IMO Wilt would put prime-Shaq

IMO Wilt would put prime-Shaq numbers (30/14/3/3). Russel is tougher. I believe he would be a player like Marc Gasol, who is way more valuable than his numbers show. Although I think his floor would be prime Joakim Noah.

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So Russell and Wilt couldn't

So Russell and Wilt couldn't compete with Drummond and Whiteside (who are the 2 best centers right now), or Cousins or Marc Gasol? Wilt would run Gasol off the court, and then block his 18 foot standstill set shots into the 3rd row.

Wilt and Russell would be on the all-time short list of guys who COULD actually guard a guy like Cousins or Whiteside one night, LaMarcus Aldridge (or Duncan) the next night, then a long, skinny, talented freak like Porzingas the next night...

Wilt and Russell would be GREAT for rebounding purposes and then the quick move inside to score. BUT, they would have HUGE value on defense.

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Both of those dude's were a

Both of those dude's were a product of their era. Chamberlain was a 7'1+ 300lb monster who physically bullied 6'7", 190lb centers with no 3 seconds and no shot clock. Russell was a 6'9" bean pole who couldn't shoot, dribble, pass, hit ft's.... Literally all he could do is block and board. I know Wilt competed in the high jump, but he was not athletic compared to players of the last 30 years. What they meant to the game is immeasurable, but neither of those dude's could play today. The game's evolved too far. Also want to point out that Chamberlain was a pathological liar. Guy wouldn't stop lying to save his life. Have an old book where Nate Thurmond talks about NEVER hearing Wilt tell the truth, but he got a pass 'cause he was Wilt.

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Both of them would be All

Both of them would be All Stars, MVP candidates and lead winning teams. If you think anything other than that you really haven't looked it much. The biggest question is Russell. First, he grew up in extreme poverty. There is every chance he would have grown more if he had a more modern and healthy diet. Aside from that, the dude could flat out dominate on defense and the boards. He was one of the most intelligent players ever. Small ball would help, but he could absolutely hold his own today and more.

Wilt is simply the best big man athlete ever. Period. He might not score 50. Pace of play had as much to do with that as the competition. But he would be a way better version of Shaq. There is no doubt he would still be one of the best players in the league and inevitably the top player at his peak.

Even a guy like Jerry West would be a stud. Can you imagine his numbers with a 3 point line?

The best players from each era could make it today. They had the work ethic and the mentality then to be great. They would take advantage of all the resources available now and still be at the top of the game.

What you would not see is 11 straight from any team. Bostonb benefited a great deal from the rules of the day, especially player acquisition. With a salary cap and free agency, it would be hard to pay everyone and keep a team together. Go back and look how many Hall of Famers played with Russell. That is never going to happen again in this era.

But back to the original question. Yes, these guys would play, probably dominate individually and win like crazy. It's not even a question in my mind.

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