Elfrid Payton

 Ok, Ive had it. Can we please Rondo credit, wth happened to everyones oppinion of him? after the big three split he wanted to still be able to be an allstar, he couldnt do it and tbh tried to play entire games thru him like he was Chris Paul, but young Rondo with the big three was not a stats padder, he was a top playmaker, while bringing great all up in your face defense. 

Maybe Im wrong, but my perception of things is that people talk about Rondo like he was some sort of ball hog- stat padder while in reality he was making arguments of being the best PG in the game at one point, by not only members from the site but ESPN analysts as well (no link, but i remember)

 Ok, Ive had it. Can we please Rondo credit, wth happened to everyones oppinion of him? after the big three split he wanted to still be able to be an allstar, he couldnt do it and tbh tried to play entire games thru him like he was Chris Paul, but young Rondo with the big three was not a stats padder, he was a top playmaker, while bringing great all up in your face defense. 

Maybe Im wrong, but my perception of things is that people talk about Rondo like he was some sort of ball hog- stat padder while in reality he was making arguments of being the best PG in the game at one point, by not only members from the site but ESPN analysts as well (no link, but i remember)

 I think it was Bill Simmons that said something like this, I’m paraphrasing. I believe it takes two years for a once great defender that isn’t great anymore for people to notice while refferring to Rondo. 

 I think it was Bill Simmons that said something like this, I’m paraphrasing. I believe it takes two years for a once great defender that isn’t great anymore for people to notice while refferring to Rondo. 

I’m afraid a divorce between Elfrid and Victor is inevitable. And if I were Orlando, I would lean towards keeping Payton for 2 reasons:

The first is that I believe Payton could be an above average Point Guard on a team with three consistent outside shooters. He has great court sense, and can get to the cup if there’s an opening in a hurry with his speed. Once he gets inside the paint, he can finish strong (something he still needs to work on though) or he can hit the open man behind the arc when the defense collapses.

The second is that I believe Oladipo has more trade value, and could net the most in return if he was the centerpiece of a deal. Oladipo is a guy who needs the ball in his hands to be effective, and needs to play next to a PG who takes care of the ball but doesn’t run the offense exclusively, plays good D, and averages around 2+ 3pm per game. A player like George Hill of the Pacers for example. Plus, Orlando has 2 good shooters in Fournier & Hezonja that can play either the 2 or 3 immediately and in the future if Oladipo were moved. 

Payton has not had a great 2nd season in Orlando, but I don’t think it’s entirely his fault. His minutes have been played with, Oladipo has handled the rock a lot relegating Payton to play off the ball about 1/3 of the time (which is not his game). So to the OP’s opening point, I think Payton can be an above average point guard (10-14 league ranking range) with a more suitable surrounding cast. Whether that’s on Orlando or another team is something to watch as soon as this trade deadline or the upcoming off-season.

I’m afraid a divorce between Elfrid and Victor is inevitable. And if I were Orlando, I would lean towards keeping Payton for 2 reasons:

The first is that I believe Payton could be an above average Point Guard on a team with three consistent outside shooters. He has great court sense, and can get to the cup if there’s an opening in a hurry with his speed. Once he gets inside the paint, he can finish strong (something he still needs to work on though) or he can hit the open man behind the arc when the defense collapses.

The second is that I believe Oladipo has more trade value, and could net the most in return if he was the centerpiece of a deal. Oladipo is a guy who needs the ball in his hands to be effective, and needs to play next to a PG who takes care of the ball but doesn’t run the offense exclusively, plays good D, and averages around 2+ 3pm per game. A player like George Hill of the Pacers for example. Plus, Orlando has 2 good shooters in Fournier & Hezonja that can play either the 2 or 3 immediately and in the future if Oladipo were moved. 

Payton has not had a great 2nd season in Orlando, but I don’t think it’s entirely his fault. His minutes have been played with, Oladipo has handled the rock a lot relegating Payton to play off the ball about 1/3 of the time (which is not his game). So to the OP’s opening point, I think Payton can be an above average point guard (10-14 league ranking range) with a more suitable surrounding cast. Whether that’s on Orlando or another team is something to watch as soon as this trade deadline or the upcoming off-season.

 They appear to be involved in the Jeff Teague talks, which says something about where they are with Payton.

 They appear to be involved in the Jeff Teague talks, which says something about where they are with Payton.

 Not good enough. Rondo is a team player. People judge after ACL surgery and they hate we know they hate. He gets a triple D he is padding. Russell gets them he balling out. We get it double standard for him. Is it possible for a 6ft1 pg to get triple D’s regularly without effort?  No. Must be real good if he can without effort. Has his ring wich only Curry and Parker can say in this L. He is one of the best pg in the game some people hate him it is what it is. Elfrid is not on his level though, be serious.

 Not good enough. Rondo is a team player. People judge after ACL surgery and they hate we know they hate. He gets a triple D he is padding. Russell gets them he balling out. We get it double standard for him. Is it possible for a 6ft1 pg to get triple D’s regularly without effort?  No. Must be real good if he can without effort. Has his ring wich only Curry and Parker can say in this L. He is one of the best pg in the game some people hate him it is what it is. Elfrid is not on his level though, be serious.

 Comparing Rondo and Payton.  Lol.  You must be joking.  The Rondo hatred has reached a new high mark.  Stat padder?  Ok, I would love to have a pg on my team who "just wants to rack up assists" and "get steals" on d.  Wow.  You keep Elfrid Payton, and I will take Rondo.  Lol.  Even with the age diff, Rondo is better by a huge margin.  You must be joking.  Jeez.  That is not meant as a slight to Payton, but they are not on the same level.

 Comparing Rondo and Payton.  Lol.  You must be joking.  The Rondo hatred has reached a new high mark.  Stat padder?  Ok, I would love to have a pg on my team who "just wants to rack up assists" and "get steals" on d.  Wow.  You keep Elfrid Payton, and I will take Rondo.  Lol.  Even with the age diff, Rondo is better by a huge margin.  You must be joking.  Jeez.  That is not meant as a slight to Payton, but they are not on the same level.