Sleazy move by Sixers

I don’t really understand how a team could not disclose something, when players take physicals as conditions for trades.

I am assuming that Bynum passed a Sixers physical, and Holliday passed a Pelicans physical which should absolve the trading party from any liability.

There are a lot of details to still come out, but if the Sixers owe the Pelicans anything then it only stands to reason that the Lakers would owe the Sixers something. The Sixers lost a lot of money on Bynum, who never played a minute with the team.

I don’t really understand how a team could not disclose something, when players take physicals as conditions for trades.

I am assuming that Bynum passed a Sixers physical, and Holliday passed a Pelicans physical which should absolve the trading party from any liability.

There are a lot of details to still come out, but if the Sixers owe the Pelicans anything then it only stands to reason that the Lakers would owe the Sixers something. The Sixers lost a lot of money on Bynum, who never played a minute with the team.

Hinkie has over-stayed his welcome. Ran them into the ground. They’ll be crappy again this year, he refuses to add guards to the team…

Hinkie has over-stayed his welcome. Ran them into the ground. They’ll be crappy again this year, he refuses to add guards to the team…

As you stated, EVERYONE knew that Andrew Bynum was damaged goods. This is a sleazy move indeed and it’s no wonder why Philly has found it difficult to build beyond the draft. What team or even free agent would want to deal with them when they are pulling moves like this? I was on board when Philly decided to blow up the Holiday-Iguodala-Young core as I believed it would never produce anything beyond a first or second round exit. The decisions that have followed, not so much. This just seems like a doomed attempt at making the money back they knew they were going to have to give to the Pelicans. At what point do we start referring to Sam Hinke as David Kahn 2.0? As for Bynum’s very-well publicized injury history which was apparently not made available to the 76ers…

 Hoop76.com outlined all of the time he has missed over the last few years:

January 2008: Dislocated left kneecap. Missed 46 games and underwent arthroscopic surgery that offseason.

January 2009: Right medial collateral ligament tear. Missed 32 games. Injury unrelated to the dislocated knee but MCL tear suggested he was "loose-jointed" and "sensitive to contact injuries in the future," DiNubile told the Los Angeles Times.

November 2009: Right elbow strain. Missed two games.

February 2010: Left hip injury. Missed two games.

March 2010: Strained left Achilles tendon. Missed 13 games.

April 2010: Right knee hyperextension. Caused a previously diagnosed lateral meniscus tear to go from "very small" to "small." Played through the injury in the 2010 playoffs and underwent arthroscopic surgery in the offseason. Missed first 24 games of following season.

February 2011: Left bone bruise. Missed one game.

April 2011: Right knee hyperextension. Missed one game.

February 2012: Right knee discomfort. Received Synvisc injection. Missed no games.

As you stated, EVERYONE knew that Andrew Bynum was damaged goods. This is a sleazy move indeed and it’s no wonder why Philly has found it difficult to build beyond the draft. What team or even free agent would want to deal with them when they are pulling moves like this? I was on board when Philly decided to blow up the Holiday-Iguodala-Young core as I believed it would never produce anything beyond a first or second round exit. The decisions that have followed, not so much. This just seems like a doomed attempt at making the money back they knew they were going to have to give to the Pelicans. At what point do we start referring to Sam Hinke as David Kahn 2.0? As for Bynum’s very-well publicized injury history which was apparently not made available to the 76ers…

 Hoop76.com outlined all of the time he has missed over the last few years:

January 2008: Dislocated left kneecap. Missed 46 games and underwent arthroscopic surgery that offseason.

January 2009: Right medial collateral ligament tear. Missed 32 games. Injury unrelated to the dislocated knee but MCL tear suggested he was "loose-jointed" and "sensitive to contact injuries in the future," DiNubile told the Los Angeles Times.

November 2009: Right elbow strain. Missed two games.

February 2010: Left hip injury. Missed two games.

March 2010: Strained left Achilles tendon. Missed 13 games.

April 2010: Right knee hyperextension. Caused a previously diagnosed lateral meniscus tear to go from "very small" to "small." Played through the injury in the 2010 playoffs and underwent arthroscopic surgery in the offseason. Missed first 24 games of following season.

February 2011: Left bone bruise. Missed one game.

April 2011: Right knee hyperextension. Missed one game.

February 2012: Right knee discomfort. Received Synvisc injection. Missed no games.

 If the Sixers were only fined $3 million then either the rules have changed or the medical misrepresentation was viewed as minor because I’ve seen cases such as these in the past were draft picks were given as compensation.

 If the Sixers were only fined $3 million then either the rules have changed or the medical misrepresentation was viewed as minor because I’ve seen cases such as these in the past were draft picks were given as compensation.

Business is business, if Philly thinks they even have a slight chance of getting money from LA it would be "idiotic" to not look into it. 

Business is business, if Philly thinks they even have a slight chance of getting money from LA it would be "idiotic" to not look into it. 

Just think of how much Minnesota lost just because of negotiating with Joe Smith before they were allowed.

The 76ers should lose multiple draft picks because they got multiple firsts in return for Holiday. Those picks were 6th overall in 2013 and 10th overall in 2014 (traded to Orlando for 12th) who became Nerlens Noel and Elfird payton or Dario Saric depending on how you want to look at it. That’s A LOT of value. Thats worth a decade of second round picks. Ok, maybe I’m exaggerating but they should absolutely lose more than a couple second rounders. 

I lost all respect for Phillys front office and will have a hard time ever really pulling for them after this.

Just think of how much Minnesota lost just because of negotiating with Joe Smith before they were allowed.

The 76ers should lose multiple draft picks because they got multiple firsts in return for Holiday. Those picks were 6th overall in 2013 and 10th overall in 2014 (traded to Orlando for 12th) who became Nerlens Noel and Elfird payton or Dario Saric depending on how you want to look at it. That’s A LOT of value. Thats worth a decade of second round picks. Ok, maybe I’m exaggerating but they should absolutely lose more than a couple second rounders. 

I lost all respect for Phillys front office and will have a hard time ever really pulling for them after this.

 To those people saying that this wasnt anything sleazy by the 76’ers, and that if the player passes a physical for thier new team, there shouldnt be anything wrong with it: the pelicans claim is that Hlliday finished the 12-13 season ailing from a stress fracture (or stress ‘reaction’, a precursor to a fracture) and that the 76ers knew about it an did not tell the pelicans during their negotiations, which league rules state they must. it wasnt picked up by the physical because that occured 12 weeks after the end of the season and a stress fracture could heal by itself in 8 weeks and appear fine for the physical, but still be a nagging injury that could b much worse in the future and require surgery (as hollidays did). this is precisely why the league says that during trades teams need to disclose all health information known to them, which Hinkie apparently did not. i have no idea what evidence they have that he’s guilty, if there is definitive proof i think the penalty should be much worse, there may be just heresay and that might be why they were only fined 3 mil, which is a slap on the wrist. the accusation of la might just be an empty attempt to deflect some of the bad publicity, since other gm’s are probably looking down thier noses at hinkie and be a little distrustful of acquiring assets from him in the future. very doubtful la is even fined, everyone knew brittle bynum was a gamble. they wouldnt have held back anything.

 To those people saying that this wasnt anything sleazy by the 76’ers, and that if the player passes a physical for thier new team, there shouldnt be anything wrong with it: the pelicans claim is that Hlliday finished the 12-13 season ailing from a stress fracture (or stress ‘reaction’, a precursor to a fracture) and that the 76ers knew about it an did not tell the pelicans during their negotiations, which league rules state they must. it wasnt picked up by the physical because that occured 12 weeks after the end of the season and a stress fracture could heal by itself in 8 weeks and appear fine for the physical, but still be a nagging injury that could b much worse in the future and require surgery (as hollidays did). this is precisely why the league says that during trades teams need to disclose all health information known to them, which Hinkie apparently did not. i have no idea what evidence they have that he’s guilty, if there is definitive proof i think the penalty should be much worse, there may be just heresay and that might be why they were only fined 3 mil, which is a slap on the wrist. the accusation of la might just be an empty attempt to deflect some of the bad publicity, since other gm’s are probably looking down thier noses at hinkie and be a little distrustful of acquiring assets from him in the future. very doubtful la is even fined, everyone knew brittle bynum was a gamble. they wouldnt have held back anything.

 As a Sixers fan this is embarrassing. I was an admirer of Hinkie’s thought process. I thought Hinkie would do ALMOST anything to build a winner, unfortunately he is willing to do anything. Sleazy indeed.

 As a Sixers fan this is embarrassing. I was an admirer of Hinkie’s thought process. I thought Hinkie would do ALMOST anything to build a winner, unfortunately he is willing to do anything. Sleazy indeed.

To be traded in any league, you have to take a phyical. If they pass the physical, the trade goes through. Maybe the Pelicans should fine their doctor three million.

To be traded in any league, you have to take a phyical. If they pass the physical, the trade goes through. Maybe the Pelicans should fine their doctor three million.

 Does anyone know the full details on this?  Did the Sixers just not mention the stress fractures or is it more they didn’t disclose how long he had them? Just curious for a clearer picture.

 Does anyone know the full details on this?  Did the Sixers just not mention the stress fractures or is it more they didn’t disclose how long he had them? Just curious for a clearer picture.

 Any transfer/trade in any sport would surely need the players involved to have a full medical to get the required insurance. A player may well be insured by his existing team but his new team’s insurers will require him to have a full medical if they are going to underwrite multi-million dollar contracts.

 Any transfer/trade in any sport would surely need the players involved to have a full medical to get the required insurance. A player may well be insured by his existing team but his new team’s insurers will require him to have a full medical if they are going to underwrite multi-million dollar contracts.