Should we give Dan Gilbert a bit more credit?

Especially since they just drafted Waiters the year before…   Just doesn’t make sense to me… Very rarely you see a team take the same position the very next year and do well…   Ask the Wolves and Hawks how that worked out for them…

Especially since they just drafted Waiters the year before…   Just doesn’t make sense to me… Very rarely you see a team take the same position the very next year and do well…   Ask the Wolves and Hawks how that worked out for them…

I just watched a espn video where Chad Ford says the same thing. Gilbert wanted Oladipo last year but his front office choose Bennett. Gilbert wants Wiggins but his Front Office wants Parker. Chad Fords direct words, i would say its probably true….. Unless, Gilbert leaked those reports himself in order to gain public credibility from the fans.

I just watched a espn video where Chad Ford says the same thing. Gilbert wanted Oladipo last year but his front office choose Bennett. Gilbert wants Wiggins but his Front Office wants Parker. Chad Fords direct words, i would say its probably true….. Unless, Gilbert leaked those reports himself in order to gain public credibility from the fans.

A radio personality said that the Cavs were not going to draft Embiid because he had a huge medical issue…  Chad came out and DENOUNCED that…  Saying he spoke with his Cavs sources and that wasn’t the case…  A week later…  Who was right?  I’m not going to believe something that I feel like doesn’t make sense, especially if it’s coming from sources who was just wrong a week ago… 

A radio personality said that the Cavs were not going to draft Embiid because he had a huge medical issue…  Chad came out and DENOUNCED that…  Saying he spoke with his Cavs sources and that wasn’t the case…  A week later…  Who was right?  I’m not going to believe something that I feel like doesn’t make sense, especially if it’s coming from sources who was just wrong a week ago… 

You are correct about that.  I deleted a section (because my posts are always WAAAY too long) where I discussed what other guys on this thread have been saying that there is so much information and disinformation that I don’t believe just one source any longer.  I forgot that I deleted the part about Chad Ford being somewhat unreliable.  Like, for example, there is a report from New York that says that Derrick Rose’s camp told HIM publicly that Rose want Love over Melo.  I have it on VERY good authority that is absolute B.S.  My very good authority is actually someone who covers the Bulls locally and is very well respected.  When he says Rose’s camp NEVER said anything like that.  Now, when it’s a newspaper writer in New York saying they have the scoop on what Derrick Rose is thinking versus a Chicago writer I start to call B.S.  Also, when it is in regards to a New York team losing a superstar, I think that there is reason to doubt it because there is a conflict of interest.  Especially with someone who has never proven to be linked to Derrick Rose, Reggie Rose, or B.J. Armstrong in the past.  Now, there is some credence to that rumor which is what I think this writer was basing him B.S. on because Derrick and K. Love have known each other and worked out in the off-season’s together for quite some time.  But that is how these rumors get made up.  People lately are trying to get the "scoop" before everyone else and they are writing rumors that have very little validity to them and taking the chance even if they are completely made up on the off chance they are true.

BTW, the truth is that Derrick Rose and his camp want TALENT on the Bulls roster more than anything.  Derrick is coming off of injuries and can’t do it all himself and wants superior talent on the team no matter who it is.  He doesn’t care about if that player gets 1/2 of the shots.  Rose needs some of the fan focus and defensive focus off of him.  Reggie Rose, Derrick’s brother (who does WAY too much talking for Derrick) has been outspoken in the past that Bulls management hasn’t surrounded Derrick with enough talent to win a title.  Now, that has mostly fallen on deaf ears because the guy has only played 50 games in 3 seasons but he HAS said that in the past.  So, when a source that I trust tells me that Derrick did NOT say anything about wanting Love over Melo, that all he wants is an upgrade to the roster anyway the Bulls can achieve it, I 100% believe it.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if Dan Gilbert DID leak information out after Bennett became a bust to save face.  Especially since he fired the GM and coaching staff from last year.  I just still don’t buy it.  I can maybe buy the front office being sold on Anthony Bennett, but I don’t think that Mike Brown would have been.  I think it’s more likely that Dan Gilbert said, "I like Oladipo!  Play him at the SF position because we don’t have a SF!"  and the front office and coaching staff decided that Oladipo was better suited to PG than to SF (which would have been ridiculous) so they took Bennett and talked Mike Brown into changing his offense to have 3 post players and 2 guards or something.  When Bennett was hurt early in the year, they decided not to bother changing the offense and A.B. never really fit into their schemes and Gilbert was screaming all year that Oladipo would have been better playing SF than Bennett, etc.  Not once factoring in the fact that Oladipo wouldn’t have had anywhere near the shots or playing time with Waiters and Irving already in the backcourt.  That guy needs to stop talking and throwing people under the bus constantly.

You are correct about that.  I deleted a section (because my posts are always WAAAY too long) where I discussed what other guys on this thread have been saying that there is so much information and disinformation that I don’t believe just one source any longer.  I forgot that I deleted the part about Chad Ford being somewhat unreliable.  Like, for example, there is a report from New York that says that Derrick Rose’s camp told HIM publicly that Rose want Love over Melo.  I have it on VERY good authority that is absolute B.S.  My very good authority is actually someone who covers the Bulls locally and is very well respected.  When he says Rose’s camp NEVER said anything like that.  Now, when it’s a newspaper writer in New York saying they have the scoop on what Derrick Rose is thinking versus a Chicago writer I start to call B.S.  Also, when it is in regards to a New York team losing a superstar, I think that there is reason to doubt it because there is a conflict of interest.  Especially with someone who has never proven to be linked to Derrick Rose, Reggie Rose, or B.J. Armstrong in the past.  Now, there is some credence to that rumor which is what I think this writer was basing him B.S. on because Derrick and K. Love have known each other and worked out in the off-season’s together for quite some time.  But that is how these rumors get made up.  People lately are trying to get the "scoop" before everyone else and they are writing rumors that have very little validity to them and taking the chance even if they are completely made up on the off chance they are true.

BTW, the truth is that Derrick Rose and his camp want TALENT on the Bulls roster more than anything.  Derrick is coming off of injuries and can’t do it all himself and wants superior talent on the team no matter who it is.  He doesn’t care about if that player gets 1/2 of the shots.  Rose needs some of the fan focus and defensive focus off of him.  Reggie Rose, Derrick’s brother (who does WAY too much talking for Derrick) has been outspoken in the past that Bulls management hasn’t surrounded Derrick with enough talent to win a title.  Now, that has mostly fallen on deaf ears because the guy has only played 50 games in 3 seasons but he HAS said that in the past.  So, when a source that I trust tells me that Derrick did NOT say anything about wanting Love over Melo, that all he wants is an upgrade to the roster anyway the Bulls can achieve it, I 100% believe it.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if Dan Gilbert DID leak information out after Bennett became a bust to save face.  Especially since he fired the GM and coaching staff from last year.  I just still don’t buy it.  I can maybe buy the front office being sold on Anthony Bennett, but I don’t think that Mike Brown would have been.  I think it’s more likely that Dan Gilbert said, "I like Oladipo!  Play him at the SF position because we don’t have a SF!"  and the front office and coaching staff decided that Oladipo was better suited to PG than to SF (which would have been ridiculous) so they took Bennett and talked Mike Brown into changing his offense to have 3 post players and 2 guards or something.  When Bennett was hurt early in the year, they decided not to bother changing the offense and A.B. never really fit into their schemes and Gilbert was screaming all year that Oladipo would have been better playing SF than Bennett, etc.  Not once factoring in the fact that Oladipo wouldn’t have had anywhere near the shots or playing time with Waiters and Irving already in the backcourt.  That guy needs to stop talking and throwing people under the bus constantly.

it was in there post draft press conference.

I can’t find it on there site and don’t feel like looking it up on YouTube (I would imagine it is there), but paraphrasing what I remember Brown saying:

“I know I’m not the best offensive coach, so I would rather have players like Bennett, Kyrie, and Waiters who are scorers that I can teach what I’m known for good defense team and man defense.”

it was in there post draft press conference.

I can’t find it on there site and don’t feel like looking it up on YouTube (I would imagine it is there), but paraphrasing what I remember Brown saying:

“I know I’m not the best offensive coach, so I would rather have players like Bennett, Kyrie, and Waiters who are scorers that I can teach what I’m known for good defense team and man defense.”

I don’t know why you got a bunch of neg’s but I agree with you.  The best owners are the ones you don’t even know.  Seriously, the talk of the playoffs was Donald Sterling and his ridiculous and famous racist stance on life.  Then, the Spurs win and you don’t even know who the little gray haired man is that is standing next to the players and find out it’s the owner of the team.  Couldn’t pick him out of a lineup but he’s in charge of a world class organization.  

Dan Gilbert interjects himself into his team and if it weren’t for his son having a shamrock shoved up his a ss they would be one of the worst franchises in the league.  They have made so many mistakes it’s ridiculous and I have heard MORE times than not that Gilbert was part of (and a major voice in) the decision making process for quite a few of those mistakes.  Not to mention that ridiculous letter saying that the Cavs were going to win a championship before Lebron that sounded like a 7th grader talking trash on Facebook after his girlfriend dumped him.

I don’t know why you got a bunch of neg’s but I agree with you.  The best owners are the ones you don’t even know.  Seriously, the talk of the playoffs was Donald Sterling and his ridiculous and famous racist stance on life.  Then, the Spurs win and you don’t even know who the little gray haired man is that is standing next to the players and find out it’s the owner of the team.  Couldn’t pick him out of a lineup but he’s in charge of a world class organization.  

Dan Gilbert interjects himself into his team and if it weren’t for his son having a shamrock shoved up his a ss they would be one of the worst franchises in the league.  They have made so many mistakes it’s ridiculous and I have heard MORE times than not that Gilbert was part of (and a major voice in) the decision making process for quite a few of those mistakes.  Not to mention that ridiculous letter saying that the Cavs were going to win a championship before Lebron that sounded like a 7th grader talking trash on Facebook after his girlfriend dumped him.