Monta Ellis Overlooked By Many

How can Ellis rank #1 in the NBA in Assists with guys like Deron Williams and Chris Paul. Those two are are much better passers than Ellis is. Why do you think the Warriors have put their trust in Curry instead of Ellis. The guy is a great scorer but a horrible passer and an average defender. You seriously need to look at those stats better. I highly doubt he is #1 in assists, points, and steals.

How can Ellis rank #1 in the NBA in Assists with guys like Deron Williams and Chris Paul. Those two are are much better passers than Ellis is. Why do you think the Warriors have put their trust in Curry instead of Ellis. The guy is a great scorer but a horrible passer and an average defender. You seriously need to look at those stats better. I highly doubt he is #1 in assists, points, and steals.

Im a Warriors fan so I know his game a bit more than most people here, and even tho he averaged 25ppg, I don’t think he would put up those numbers if most of the Warriors starters were healthy. His scoring stats is some what “inflated” because of the system and the lack of scorers in the front court has forced the team to play strictly perimeter, giving him way more opportunities to score more than other top SGs such as Brandon Roy and Joe Johnson. With that said, I do think hes a good player, but on a good playoff team I think his stats would look more like 19ppg 5rpg 4apg.

Im a Warriors fan so I know his game a bit more than most people here, and even tho he averaged 25ppg, I don’t think he would put up those numbers if most of the Warriors starters were healthy. His scoring stats is some what “inflated” because of the system and the lack of scorers in the front court has forced the team to play strictly perimeter, giving him way more opportunities to score more than other top SGs such as Brandon Roy and Joe Johnson. With that said, I do think hes a good player, but on a good playoff team I think his stats would look more like 19ppg 5rpg 4apg.

I don’t think he’s overlooked. Maybe slightly because he does deserve allstar consideration but he is what he is. A dynamite scorer, average PG, and a so so defender. He’s a good player but like Gilbert Arenas was he’s not really a franchise changing player. Their career’s actually are very similar. I’d say Gilbert is the better PG though. The problem with Monta still is the general problem with the Warriors. No matter what team he’s on he’s a defensive liability. He doesn’t have the playmaking skills to be a full time PG, so that means he plays the 2 guard a lot, and he simply isn’t tall or strong enough to guard the majority of 2 guards. People say this is only an issue because of Curry but that’s not really true. Say for example if he were on the Magic. That would mean either him or Jameer would have to guard SG’s. Not ideal.

Monta Ellis Year 1: 6.8 ppg, 1.6 apg, 2.1 rpg.
Gilbert Arenas Year 1: 10.9 ppg, 3.7 apg, 2.8 rpg

Monta Year 2: 16.5 ppg, 4.1 apg, 3.2 rpg
Gilbert Year 2: 18.3 ppg, 6.3 apg, 4.7 rpg

Monta Year 3: 20.2 ppg, 3.9 apg, 4.9 rpg
Gilbert Year 3: 19.6 ppg, 5 apg, 4.6 rpg

Monta Year 4: 19 ppg, 3.7 apg, 4.4 rpg
Gilbert Year 4: 25.5 ppg, 5.1 apg, 4.7 rpg

Monta Year 5: 25.5 ppg, 5.3 apg, 4 rpg
Gilbert Year 5: 29.3 ppg, 6 apg, 3 rpg

I don’t think he’s overlooked. Maybe slightly because he does deserve allstar consideration but he is what he is. A dynamite scorer, average PG, and a so so defender. He’s a good player but like Gilbert Arenas was he’s not really a franchise changing player. Their career’s actually are very similar. I’d say Gilbert is the better PG though. The problem with Monta still is the general problem with the Warriors. No matter what team he’s on he’s a defensive liability. He doesn’t have the playmaking skills to be a full time PG, so that means he plays the 2 guard a lot, and he simply isn’t tall or strong enough to guard the majority of 2 guards. People say this is only an issue because of Curry but that’s not really true. Say for example if he were on the Magic. That would mean either him or Jameer would have to guard SG’s. Not ideal.

Monta Ellis Year 1: 6.8 ppg, 1.6 apg, 2.1 rpg.
Gilbert Arenas Year 1: 10.9 ppg, 3.7 apg, 2.8 rpg

Monta Year 2: 16.5 ppg, 4.1 apg, 3.2 rpg
Gilbert Year 2: 18.3 ppg, 6.3 apg, 4.7 rpg

Monta Year 3: 20.2 ppg, 3.9 apg, 4.9 rpg
Gilbert Year 3: 19.6 ppg, 5 apg, 4.6 rpg

Monta Year 4: 19 ppg, 3.7 apg, 4.4 rpg
Gilbert Year 4: 25.5 ppg, 5.1 apg, 4.7 rpg

Monta Year 5: 25.5 ppg, 5.3 apg, 4 rpg
Gilbert Year 5: 29.3 ppg, 6 apg, 3 rpg

LOL I just noticed you completely made up your stats. How can you say Monta is #1 in the NBA in scoring? He was 6th in ppg, and a I think around 8th or 9th in total points. Also you claim he’s #1 in the NBA in steals, he’s actually #2 in spg, and #4 in total steals. You said he’s #1 in the NBA in assists, nope, he’s 26th lol in apg, and 36th in total assists behind guys like Josh Smith, Beno Udrih, and Chris Duhon. I don’t think I have to go on.

LOL I just noticed you completely made up your stats. How can you say Monta is #1 in the NBA in scoring? He was 6th in ppg, and a I think around 8th or 9th in total points. Also you claim he’s #1 in the NBA in steals, he’s actually #2 in spg, and #4 in total steals. You said he’s #1 in the NBA in assists, nope, he’s 26th lol in apg, and 36th in total assists behind guys like Josh Smith, Beno Udrih, and Chris Duhon. I don’t think I have to go on.

Dude obviously it’s an error from NBA.com, but did you think about what you posted, #1 in apg, c’mon man he’s not even top 25.

Dude obviously it’s an error from NBA.com, but did you think about what you posted, #1 in apg, c’mon man he’s not even top 25.

he is similar to ben gordon. they play different games but have the same problems. sometimes hog the ball, not enough point guard skills, too short for the sg spot, can light it up some games, and dont play much defense. monta is a good player but if i was serious about winning a championship he would be my 6th man and only at a reasonable price. guys like ellis and gordon are so overrated because they can score. thats not the only thing in basketball but its probably the only thing most people see because they only see him on sportcenter. like i said he is good but he would be best served as a 6th man on a good team, as would most undersized 2s with a knack for scoring(ellis, b gordon, j crawford, l williams).

he is similar to ben gordon. they play different games but have the same problems. sometimes hog the ball, not enough point guard skills, too short for the sg spot, can light it up some games, and dont play much defense. monta is a good player but if i was serious about winning a championship he would be my 6th man and only at a reasonable price. guys like ellis and gordon are so overrated because they can score. thats not the only thing in basketball but its probably the only thing most people see because they only see him on sportcenter. like i said he is good but he would be best served as a 6th man on a good team, as would most undersized 2s with a knack for scoring(ellis, b gordon, j crawford, l williams).

he is similar to ben gordon. they play different games but have the same problems. sometimes hog the ball, not enough point guard skills, too short for the sg spot, can light it up some games, and dont play much defense. monta is a good player but if i was serious about winning a championship he would be my 6th man and only at a reasonable price. guys like ellis and gordon are so overrated because they can score. thats not the only thing in basketball but its probably the only thing most people see because they only see him on sportcenter. like i said he is good but he would be best served as a 6th man on a good team, as would most undersized 2s with a knack for scoring(ellis, b gordon, j crawford, l williams).

he is similar to ben gordon. they play different games but have the same problems. sometimes hog the ball, not enough point guard skills, too short for the sg spot, can light it up some games, and dont play much defense. monta is a good player but if i was serious about winning a championship he would be my 6th man and only at a reasonable price. guys like ellis and gordon are so overrated because they can score. thats not the only thing in basketball but its probably the only thing most people see because they only see him on sportcenter. like i said he is good but he would be best served as a 6th man on a good team, as would most undersized 2s with a knack for scoring(ellis, b gordon, j crawford, l williams).

he is similar to ben gordon. they play different games but have the same problems. sometimes hog the ball, not enough point guard skills, too short for the sg spot, can light it up some games, and dont play much defense. monta is a good player but if i was serious about winning a championship he would be my 6th man and only at a reasonable price. guys like ellis and gordon are so overrated because they can score. thats not the only thing in basketball but its probably the only thing most people see because they only see him on sportcenter. like i said he is good but he would be best served as a 6th man on a good team, as would most undersized 2s with a knack for scoring(ellis, b gordon, j crawford, l williams).

he is similar to ben gordon. they play different games but have the same problems. sometimes hog the ball, not enough point guard skills, too short for the sg spot, can light it up some games, and dont play much defense. monta is a good player but if i was serious about winning a championship he would be my 6th man and only at a reasonable price. guys like ellis and gordon are so overrated because they can score. thats not the only thing in basketball but its probably the only thing most people see because they only see him on sportcenter. like i said he is good but he would be best served as a 6th man on a good team, as would most undersized 2s with a knack for scoring(ellis, b gordon, j crawford, l williams).

Actually Monta is a excellent defender compare to Gordon who is a liability on defense. His size may be on the short side, but Monta is a “fiesty” and a pest on the defensive side.

Actually Monta is a excellent defender compare to Gordon who is a liability on defense. His size may be on the short side, but Monta is a “fiesty” and a pest on the defensive side.

okay this is my Option on monta:

He has good stats and all Star stats but it does not translate into Team success. he takes a ton of shots and a lot of bad shots and hurts his team with that a lot of times. i compare him to z-bo who was and is one of the top scoring and rebounding Big man and never helped his team with it till he went to memphis…

Great franchise and NBA 2K player and i like him on those teams but not on my favorite real Team…..

okay this is my Option on monta:

He has good stats and all Star stats but it does not translate into Team success. he takes a ton of shots and a lot of bad shots and hurts his team with that a lot of times. i compare him to z-bo who was and is one of the top scoring and rebounding Big man and never helped his team with it till he went to memphis…

Great franchise and NBA 2K player and i like him on those teams but not on my favorite real Team…..

okay this is my Option on monta:

He has good stats and all Star stats but it does not translate into Team success. he takes a ton of shots and a lot of bad shots and hurts his team with that a lot of times. i compare him to z-bo who was and is one of the top scoring and rebounding Big man and never helped his team with it till he went to memphis…

Great franchise and NBA 2K player and i like him on those teams but not on my favorite real Team…..

okay this is my Option on monta:

He has good stats and all Star stats but it does not translate into Team success. he takes a ton of shots and a lot of bad shots and hurts his team with that a lot of times. i compare him to z-bo who was and is one of the top scoring and rebounding Big man and never helped his team with it till he went to memphis…

Great franchise and NBA 2K player and i like him on those teams but not on my favorite real Team…..

On a healthy team he could score 22-23 ppg. He should have been an all star as well. Also to the guy above he is nothing like Z Bo maybe more JRich than ZBo. You can’t guard him on offense, sag off and he can shoot, play up tight and he blows right by you. He’s a top 7-8 SG in the NBA right now and an all star caliber player but not a frnachise changer. Sorta Joe Johnson/JRich esk

On a healthy team he could score 22-23 ppg. He should have been an all star as well. Also to the guy above he is nothing like Z Bo maybe more JRich than ZBo. You can’t guard him on offense, sag off and he can shoot, play up tight and he blows right by you. He’s a top 7-8 SG in the NBA right now and an all star caliber player but not a frnachise changer. Sorta Joe Johnson/JRich esk

Top 30 guy in the NBA

He was a 25-5-4 guy no matter what the offense was. That, plus steals made him one of the top 30 guys in the NBA to me. He’s a poor man Allen Iverson to me. He will never be a #1 guy on a winning team. He’s a #2 guy at best and if he’s a #2…You have a really good player.

Top 30 guy in the NBA

He was a 25-5-4 guy no matter what the offense was. That, plus steals made him one of the top 30 guys in the NBA to me. He’s a poor man Allen Iverson to me. He will never be a #1 guy on a winning team. He’s a #2 guy at best and if he’s a #2…You have a really good player.

Ellis is overlooked as well as overrated. Good post.

Ellis is overlooked as well as overrated. Good post.

i totaly agree monta ellis is one of the more explosive 2 guards we got in the leauge and with all the hype surronding dwayne wad and kb24 he is really overlooked and his numbers arent to much diffrent from wade he can be a valuble asset on a team tryn to win but he is very stubborn and shoots too much that y hes probably overlooked but the numbers dont tho lie he is a rare 20 5 5 guy

i totaly agree monta ellis is one of the more explosive 2 guards we got in the leauge and with all the hype surronding dwayne wad and kb24 he is really overlooked and his numbers arent to much diffrent from wade he can be a valuble asset on a team tryn to win but he is very stubborn and shoots too much that y hes probably overlooked but the numbers dont tho lie he is a rare 20 5 5 guy

No matter what team he’s on he’s a defensive liability.

That’s simply not true. He shut Brandon Roy down. He clearly outplayed Danny Granger. Forced Kobe into 9 turnovers. He had some great stops down the stretch vs Durant.

The guy was a great defender when he was interested. His quickness is a real asset. Embarassed Roy in an early match up last season.

No matter what team he’s on he’s a defensive liability.

That’s simply not true. He shut Brandon Roy down. He clearly outplayed Danny Granger. Forced Kobe into 9 turnovers. He had some great stops down the stretch vs Durant.

The guy was a great defender when he was interested. His quickness is a real asset. Embarassed Roy in an early match up last season.

Monta has only averaged 5 apg once, and has only averaged 5 rpg once and has never been close in any other year, so I wouldn’t classify him as a perennial 20+5+5 guy especially since he’s never done that in the same season.

Monta has only averaged 5 apg once, and has only averaged 5 rpg once and has never been close in any other year, so I wouldn’t classify him as a perennial 20+5+5 guy especially since he’s never done that in the same season.

I agree he took way too many shots, but unless Monta was clearly winning his matchup, we had virtually no shot. Too many Dleague all stars and garbage Nellieball. Curry was so inconsistent early on, and his hotdog passing hurt the team before he turned it on. Maggette is a black hole.

If you guys can, I’d like for you to watch the 2 match ups vs Dallas in Dallas last season. Monta had to force it and had too many turnovers, but he is an electric scorer. He can be the number 1 on a contender, but he has to have at least a solid set up man to be efficient.

I agree he took way too many shots, but unless Monta was clearly winning his matchup, we had virtually no shot. Too many Dleague all stars and garbage Nellieball. Curry was so inconsistent early on, and his hotdog passing hurt the team before he turned it on. Maggette is a black hole.

If you guys can, I’d like for you to watch the 2 match ups vs Dallas in Dallas last season. Monta had to force it and had too many turnovers, but he is an electric scorer. He can be the number 1 on a contender, but he has to have at least a solid set up man to be efficient.