[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

Who was better and why?

[goneParticipant]

Id like to hear yours first

[goneParticipant]

Id like to hear yours first

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

I dunno, Wilkins.

 

 

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

I dunno, Wilkins.

 

 

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

All-around SF who defended well and could score, pass, and rebound well. He started slow in his career but improved every year and was that perfect compliment to MJ. Wilkins was a better scorer but then again, he was the main option on his team. And As far as athleticism is concerned, Wilkins wins but Scottie was right there behind him I think it’s the defensive presence (which often wins games) that seperated them and thats what I gotta go with. Good question though, I think responses will be split evenly

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

All-around SF who defended well and could score, pass, and rebound well. He started slow in his career but improved every year and was that perfect compliment to MJ. Wilkins was a better scorer but then again, he was the main option on his team. And As far as athleticism is concerned, Wilkins wins but Scottie was right there behind him I think it’s the defensive presence (which often wins games) that seperated them and thats what I gotta go with. Good question though, I think responses will be split evenly

[Hi its BenParticipant]

Pippen could have been so great if it had not been for Jordan. Sure, Jordan helped Pippen by paving the way for greatness.. but I think that he would have gotten there anyway.

8.7-17.8

.491

0.9-2.7

.320

3.8-5.7

.660

2.90

0.80

3.2

3.2

2.4

6.3

8.7

5.6

22.0

8.0-16.7

.480

1.4-4.0

.345

4.0-5.6

.716

2.90

1.10

3.4

3.0

2.2

5.9

8.1

5.2

21.4

fgm-fga      fg%  3pm-3pa  3p%   ftm-fta     ft%   spg    bpg    to     pf   offr  dfrb totrb apg  ppg

those were his averages the 84-85 seasons while Michael was gone.  and I imagine he could have kept it up for a while. He took the leadership role those two years Michael was gone and did a great job.

[Hi its BenParticipant]

Pippen could have been so great if it had not been for Jordan. Sure, Jordan helped Pippen by paving the way for greatness.. but I think that he would have gotten there anyway.

8.7-17.8

.491

0.9-2.7

.320

3.8-5.7

.660

2.90

0.80

3.2

3.2

2.4

6.3

8.7

5.6

22.0

8.0-16.7

.480

1.4-4.0

.345

4.0-5.6

.716

2.90

1.10

3.4

3.0

2.2

5.9

8.1

5.2

21.4

fgm-fga      fg%  3pm-3pa  3p%   ftm-fta     ft%   spg    bpg    to     pf   offr  dfrb totrb apg  ppg

those were his averages the 84-85 seasons while Michael was gone.  and I imagine he could have kept it up for a while. He took the leadership role those two years Michael was gone and did a great job.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

those were his averages the 84-85 seasons while Michael was gone

 

Didn’t Pippen come in the NBA in 1987?

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

those were his averages the 84-85 seasons while Michael was gone

 

Didn’t Pippen come in the NBA in 1987?

[skate1385Participant]

Dominique Wilkins is better. his best seasons was 30.3 ppg 8.0 rpg  1.8spg  in 81 games…..
But in  defense  Scottie was better.

[skate1385Participant]

Dominique Wilkins is better. his best seasons was 30.3 ppg 8.0 rpg  1.8spg  in 81 games…..
But in  defense  Scottie was better.

[Hi its BenParticipant]

i mistyped. 94-95 seasons.

[Hi its BenParticipant]

i mistyped. 94-95 seasons.

[SupParticipant]

Dominique. Actually if you combine the two you’d have Lebron James. Minus the 6 rings of course.

[SupParticipant]

Dominique. Actually if you combine the two you’d have Lebron James. Minus the 6 rings of course.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

I’m asking because a podcast I was listening to debated the same thing.  This is my question:

What if Wilkins had a solid robin next to him? Could he have won a title?

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

I’m asking because a podcast I was listening to debated the same thing.  This is my question:

What if Wilkins had a solid robin next to him? Could he have won a title?

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

He was the same size as the boy wonder…more highlight dunks too…

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

He was the same size as the boy wonder…more highlight dunks too…

[FritzParticipant]

Pippen took the bulls to game 7 of the eastern conference finals the year Michael left for baseball, and he came awefully close to maknig the finals. I think Scottie would of won more than one if he didnt have Michael. My vote is Scottie

[FritzParticipant]

Pippen took the bulls to game 7 of the eastern conference finals the year Michael left for baseball, and he came awefully close to maknig the finals. I think Scottie would of won more than one if he didnt have Michael. My vote is Scottie

[Maysek22Participant]

Nique played on some very very good teams, 89 was impressive, but the east back then was just real tough… here’s his 89 team

 

Rk	Player	Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
1	Dominique Wilkins	29	80	80	37.5	10.2	22.0	.464	0.4	1.3	.276	5.5	6.6	.844	3.2	3.7	6.9	2.6	1.5	0.7	2.3	1.7	26.2
2	Moses Malone	33	81	80	35.5	6.6	13.5	.491	0.0	0.1	.000	6.9	8.8	.789	4.8	7.0	11.8	1.4	1.0	1.2	3.0	1.9	20.2
3	Reggie Theus	31	82	82	30.7	6.1	13.0	.466	0.2	0.7	.293	3.5	4.1	.851	1.0	1.9	3.0	4.7	1.3	0.2	2.4	2.9	15.8
4	Doc Rivers	27	76	76	32.4	4.9	10.7	.455	0.6	1.6	.347	3.3	3.8	.861	1.2	2.6	3.8	6.9	2.4	0.5	2.1	3.5	13.6
5	John Battle	26	82	0	20.4	3.5	7.7	.457	0.1	0.4	.324	2.4	2.9	.815	0.4	1.3	1.7	2.4	0.5	0.1	1.3	1.5	9.5
6	Cliff Levingston	28	80	52	27.3	3.8	7.1	.528	0.0	0.1	.200	1.7	2.4	.696	2.4	3.8	6.2	0.9	1.2	0.9	1.3	3.4	9.2
7	Antoine Carr	27	78	12	19.1	2.9	6.0	.480	0.0	0.0	.000	1.7	1.9	.855	1.4	2.2	3.5	1.2	0.4	0.8	1.1	2.8	7.5
8	Jon Koncak	25	74	22	20.7	1.9	3.6	.524	0.0	0.0	.000	0.9	1.5	.553	2.0	4.1	6.1	0.8	0.7	1.3	0.8	3.2	4.7
9	Spud Webb	25	81	6	15.0	1.6	3.6	.459	0.0	0.3	.045	0.6	0.7	.867	0.3	1.3	1.5	3.5	0.9	0.1	1.0	1.3	3.9
10	Duane Ferrell	23	41	0	5.6	0.9	2.0	.422	0.0	0.0		0.7	1.1	.682	0.5	0.5	1.0	0.2	0.2	0.1	0.3	0.8	2.4
11	Ray Tolbert	30	50	0	6.8	0.8	1.9	.426	0.0	0.0		0.5	0.7	.622	0.6	1.1	1.8	0.3	0.3	0.3	0.7	1.1	2.1
12	Dudley Bradley	31	38	0	7.0	0.7	2.3	.326	0.2	0.8	.258	0.2	0.4	.500	0.2	0.7	0.8	0.6	0.4	0.1	0.4	1.1	1.9
13	Pace Mannion	28	5	0	3.6	0.4	1.2	.333	0.0	0.4	.000	0.0	0.0		0.0	0.4	0.4	0.4	0.4	0.0	0.6	0.4	0.8

 Thats a pretty solid lineup with moses, theus and dock, with a solid bench…but they had to beat the celtics, pistons, and a developing bulls team to get anywhere back then

[Maysek22Participant]

 wow that above post didnt turn out the way i thought it would, sorry bout that

[Maysek22Participant]

 wow that above post didnt turn out the way i thought it would, sorry bout that

[Maysek22Participant]

Nique played on some very very good teams, 89 was impressive, but the east back then was just real tough… here’s his 89 team

 

Rk	Player	Age	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
1	Dominique Wilkins	29	80	80	37.5	10.2	22.0	.464	0.4	1.3	.276	5.5	6.6	.844	3.2	3.7	6.9	2.6	1.5	0.7	2.3	1.7	26.2
2	Moses Malone	33	81	80	35.5	6.6	13.5	.491	0.0	0.1	.000	6.9	8.8	.789	4.8	7.0	11.8	1.4	1.0	1.2	3.0	1.9	20.2
3	Reggie Theus	31	82	82	30.7	6.1	13.0	.466	0.2	0.7	.293	3.5	4.1	.851	1.0	1.9	3.0	4.7	1.3	0.2	2.4	2.9	15.8
4	Doc Rivers	27	76	76	32.4	4.9	10.7	.455	0.6	1.6	.347	3.3	3.8	.861	1.2	2.6	3.8	6.9	2.4	0.5	2.1	3.5	13.6
5	John Battle	26	82	0	20.4	3.5	7.7	.457	0.1	0.4	.324	2.4	2.9	.815	0.4	1.3	1.7	2.4	0.5	0.1	1.3	1.5	9.5
6	Cliff Levingston	28	80	52	27.3	3.8	7.1	.528	0.0	0.1	.200	1.7	2.4	.696	2.4	3.8	6.2	0.9	1.2	0.9	1.3	3.4	9.2
7	Antoine Carr	27	78	12	19.1	2.9	6.0	.480	0.0	0.0	.000	1.7	1.9	.855	1.4	2.2	3.5	1.2	0.4	0.8	1.1	2.8	7.5
8	Jon Koncak	25	74	22	20.7	1.9	3.6	.524	0.0	0.0	.000	0.9	1.5	.553	2.0	4.1	6.1	0.8	0.7	1.3	0.8	3.2	4.7
9	Spud Webb	25	81	6	15.0	1.6	3.6	.459	0.0	0.3	.045	0.6	0.7	.867	0.3	1.3	1.5	3.5	0.9	0.1	1.0	1.3	3.9
10	Duane Ferrell	23	41	0	5.6	0.9	2.0	.422	0.0	0.0		0.7	1.1	.682	0.5	0.5	1.0	0.2	0.2	0.1	0.3	0.8	2.4
11	Ray Tolbert	30	50	0	6.8	0.8	1.9	.426	0.0	0.0		0.5	0.7	.622	0.6	1.1	1.8	0.3	0.3	0.3	0.7	1.1	2.1
12	Dudley Bradley	31	38	0	7.0	0.7	2.3	.326	0.2	0.8	.258	0.2	0.4	.500	0.2	0.7	0.8	0.6	0.4	0.1	0.4	1.1	1.9
13	Pace Mannion	28	5	0	3.6	0.4	1.2	.333	0.0	0.4	.000	0.0	0.0		0.0	0.4	0.4	0.4	0.4	0.0	0.6	0.4	0.8

 Thats a pretty solid lineup with moses, theus and dock, with a solid bench…but they had to beat the celtics, pistons, and a developing bulls team to get anywhere back then

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

I think that team was average at best. Give Nique a real #2 guy. By then, Moses was just past his prime. Give him someone like Sidney Moncrief, or Dale Ellis, or even Shawn Kemp type dude, I think he gets there one season

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

I think that team was average at best. Give Nique a real #2 guy. By then, Moses was just past his prime. Give him someone like Sidney Moncrief, or Dale Ellis, or even Shawn Kemp type dude, I think he gets there one season

[jjonzParticipant]

But if you care about rings/playoff wins/growth as a player/ team work/ leadership(except for game when he pouted on bench @ NY). Mr.Highlight was ESPN material. Pippen was the One of the Best Help Side defender Ever. Teammates said he was the Best teammate they ever had, always cracking jokes in tight situations to keep people loose. This is internet fodder, not a real basketball enthuiast would even consider this topic. More like Pippen VS Bird, or Because of His Supreme Skill set Pippen VS Bron. But thats a whole different thread. Back to nique He was a Dominant Scorer got to the line 9x twice in his career, @ age 37 avg 18ppg. But once again if you want that franchise changing SF it’s pip all the way.

[jjonzParticipant]

But if you care about rings/playoff wins/growth as a player/ team work/ leadership(except for game when he pouted on bench @ NY). Mr.Highlight was ESPN material. Pippen was the One of the Best Help Side defender Ever. Teammates said he was the Best teammate they ever had, always cracking jokes in tight situations to keep people loose. This is internet fodder, not a real basketball enthuiast would even consider this topic. More like Pippen VS Bird, or Because of His Supreme Skill set Pippen VS Bron. But thats a whole different thread. Back to nique He was a Dominant Scorer got to the line 9x twice in his career, @ age 37 avg 18ppg. But once again if you want that franchise changing SF it’s pip all the way.

[llperez]

this is actually a very good question and its very close between the two. If i could pick one for my team i would take pippen. Just better all around and unselfish. He could set up teammates and defend the other teams best player. But i dont think anyone should be criticized for siding with nique. He was one of the top scorers and an explosive force in transition and attacking the rim with an above average jumper. But i do think he was a bit slfish and was looking to get his points as opposed to making the right play conosistently.

[llperez]

this is actually a very good question and its very close between the two. If i could pick one for my team i would take pippen. Just better all around and unselfish. He could set up teammates and defend the other teams best player. But i dont think anyone should be criticized for siding with nique. He was one of the top scorers and an explosive force in transition and attacking the rim with an above average jumper. But i do think he was a bit slfish and was looking to get his points as opposed to making the right play conosistently.

[trueone313detroitParticipant]

Niq was a better on offense, but I would take pip.  Pip played the point and still scored.  Niq had better stats but never went far in the playoffs.  Niq had some good teams too.  Better then scottie had the year he took the bulls far without mike. 

[trueone313detroitParticipant]

Niq was a better on offense, but I would take pip.  Pip played the point and still scored.  Niq had better stats but never went far in the playoffs.  Niq had some good teams too.  Better then scottie had the year he took the bulls far without mike. 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Pippen and this isn’t hard.

Wilkins was a human highlight reel and could really put points on the board, but he was a ball stopper. He wasn’t a good passer and was somewhat selfish. Pippen was a better all-around player BY FAR.

And Pippen was an ultimate defender at that… He could lock down four positions, was a great on/off ball defender, helpside defender and could absolutely wreck a team while playing the roamer role on defense.

 

 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Pippen and this isn’t hard.

Wilkins was a human highlight reel and could really put points on the board, but he was a ball stopper. He wasn’t a good passer and was somewhat selfish. Pippen was a better all-around player BY FAR.

And Pippen was an ultimate defender at that… He could lock down four positions, was a great on/off ball defender, helpside defender and could absolutely wreck a team while playing the roamer role on defense.

 

 

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

IndianaBasketball I agree 100%.

 

 

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

IndianaBasketball I agree 100%.

 

 

[llperez]

i dont think it was that big an advantage for pippen. Dominique was a career 24.8 ppg scorer and averaged 30 3- or 4 times. He carried the hawks team and had that epic game 7 vs bird where he dropped 47. WHile pip wins every other category, being able to carry a team and be a go to player on offense is not something that can be overlooked. Kinda like saying iguodala is better at everything then kevin durant or carmelo anothony except scoring. And as good as the bulls were the one season after jordan retired when pippen got them to the second round of the playoffs, that is a small sample size to sayhow good pippen would have led his own team. The very next season the bulls were a .500 team before jordan came back the final 17 games. I do think it is pippen in this argument, but not easily or in any way lopsided.

[llperez]

i dont think it was that big an advantage for pippen. Dominique was a career 24.8 ppg scorer and averaged 30 3- or 4 times. He carried the hawks team and had that epic game 7 vs bird where he dropped 47. WHile pip wins every other category, being able to carry a team and be a go to player on offense is not something that can be overlooked. Kinda like saying iguodala is better at everything then kevin durant or carmelo anothony except scoring. And as good as the bulls were the one season after jordan retired when pippen got them to the second round of the playoffs, that is a small sample size to sayhow good pippen would have led his own team. The very next season the bulls were a .500 team before jordan came back the final 17 games. I do think it is pippen in this argument, but not easily or in any way lopsided.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

I’m gonna go with Wilkins…this time with reasons.

I believe other then passing and defense, Wilkins was the better player. In the 80’s ( which was when the entire league was a more offensive league), Wilkins was one of the top guys scoring along with being a solid rebounder. Also, I know Wilkins can carry the load as a #1 player. I don’t know if Pippen could have done it for 10 years winning 40-55 games a season like Wilkins did. Also, Pippen loses points to me because he played with the best overall player in the league. Jordan was the man who scored and defended main wing players. I just believe if Pippen was on his own team, he wouldn’t have been successful like he was.

Also, what kind of team could win with Pippen as the #1 guy? I feel Wilkins just never had a #2 player. Pippen never had that extra gear to be a #1, so I felt it would have been tough for that team to win with him.

 

Can we look at the Atlanta front office?

• 1984: Willis over John Stockton
• 1985: Koncak over Mullin, Oakley and Malone
• 1986: Billy Thompson over Mark Price, Dennis Rodman
• 1987: Lil Mo Robinson over Reggie Lewis
• 1989: Roy Marble over Vlade Divac

I mean…wow. Other then 1984, they got scabs every year. Imagine if Wilkins had a legit second banana next to him. Hell, Wilkins, Malone and Rodman could have been solid enough in 1990 as a 1-2-3. Imagine Wilkins and Malone?

I’m leaning Wilkins.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

I’m gonna go with Wilkins…this time with reasons.

I believe other then passing and defense, Wilkins was the better player. In the 80’s ( which was when the entire league was a more offensive league), Wilkins was one of the top guys scoring along with being a solid rebounder. Also, I know Wilkins can carry the load as a #1 player. I don’t know if Pippen could have done it for 10 years winning 40-55 games a season like Wilkins did. Also, Pippen loses points to me because he played with the best overall player in the league. Jordan was the man who scored and defended main wing players. I just believe if Pippen was on his own team, he wouldn’t have been successful like he was.

Also, what kind of team could win with Pippen as the #1 guy? I feel Wilkins just never had a #2 player. Pippen never had that extra gear to be a #1, so I felt it would have been tough for that team to win with him.

 

Can we look at the Atlanta front office?

• 1984: Willis over John Stockton
• 1985: Koncak over Mullin, Oakley and Malone
• 1986: Billy Thompson over Mark Price, Dennis Rodman
• 1987: Lil Mo Robinson over Reggie Lewis
• 1989: Roy Marble over Vlade Divac

I mean…wow. Other then 1984, they got scabs every year. Imagine if Wilkins had a legit second banana next to him. Hell, Wilkins, Malone and Rodman could have been solid enough in 1990 as a 1-2-3. Imagine Wilkins and Malone?

I’m leaning Wilkins.

[Snubs15Participant]

Id take Pippen easy

Defense wins championships and Pippen is arguably one of the best defenders at his position of all time. Nique was a better scorer than Pippen. But Pippen made his teammates alot better and was a better playmaker. Overall Pippen was a better and more valuable player imo.

[Snubs15Participant]

Id take Pippen easy

Defense wins championships and Pippen is arguably one of the best defenders at his position of all time. Nique was a better scorer than Pippen. But Pippen made his teammates alot better and was a better playmaker. Overall Pippen was a better and more valuable player imo.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

This is an interesting question..Becuz you’re comparing a versatile player to a 1 dimensional scorer…

Pippen was better in rebounding-passing-defense..But he wasnt a 1st option type of player..Even his coach felt the same way..Remember when Pippen refused to enter a game, becuz Phil wanted Kukoc to take the last shot?

Wilkens was a great individual performer,but he didnt do anything to make his team mates better…Alot of purist knock his game…Saying that he simply a dunker..Which was far from the truth…By the early 90’s Wilkens worked to improve his mid-range game,assists and had a career high 9.0 rebounds in the 1991 season…He was an average ball handler and poor passer..

Pippen was a great all around player..That was the perfect complimentary player…But after he left the Bulls,his star wasnt that bright. ..

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

This is an interesting question..Becuz you’re comparing a versatile player to a 1 dimensional scorer…

Pippen was better in rebounding-passing-defense..But he wasnt a 1st option type of player..Even his coach felt the same way..Remember when Pippen refused to enter a game, becuz Phil wanted Kukoc to take the last shot?

Wilkens was a great individual performer,but he didnt do anything to make his team mates better…Alot of purist knock his game…Saying that he simply a dunker..Which was far from the truth…By the early 90’s Wilkens worked to improve his mid-range game,assists and had a career high 9.0 rebounds in the 1991 season…He was an average ball handler and poor passer..

Pippen was a great all around player..That was the perfect complimentary player…But after he left the Bulls,his star wasnt that bright. ..

[omphalosParticipant]

Yeah, if it was a choice of which player for the franchise, I’d go with Wilkins, simply because I don’t think Pippen’s ball-handling talents would suit a 1st option role; it’s almost the problem with Lebron, he’s so versatile that he dominates the ball far too much and he couldn’t win against a playoff team.

As much as I love Pippen, if Wilkins had a Pippen-style player complementing him, he could have done a lot better than he did, and when you consider that he had to contend with Magic, Larry, Isaiah and Jordan, that he didn’t get a ring isn’t surprising, I can’t see Pippen getting any rings against that group as the best player on his team.

[omphalosParticipant]

Yeah, if it was a choice of which player for the franchise, I’d go with Wilkins, simply because I don’t think Pippen’s ball-handling talents would suit a 1st option role; it’s almost the problem with Lebron, he’s so versatile that he dominates the ball far too much and he couldn’t win against a playoff team.

As much as I love Pippen, if Wilkins had a Pippen-style player complementing him, he could have done a lot better than he did, and when you consider that he had to contend with Magic, Larry, Isaiah and Jordan, that he didn’t get a ring isn’t surprising, I can’t see Pippen getting any rings against that group as the best player on his team.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I don’t understand some of the comments…

Pippen wasn’t Iguodala… He was a much better offensive player than Iguodala is. Pippen was a very good offensive player, while being GREAT at just about everything else. You don’t think that trumps someone who was just a GREAT offensive player?

And when Pippen left the Bulls, he was past his prime. Obviously he wasn’t going to carry a team at that point… He joined teams with other fading stars and they were doing it in a collective effort, similar to the Celtics today. I’d say Pippen ended his career a hell of a lot better than Wilkins did.

And I didn’t understand that comment about Pippen’s ball handling, comparing him dominating the ball to LeBron, etc… Pippen wasn’t a ball dominator. He wasn’t a ball stopper. He moved the ball and had a complete game offensively. He could catch and shoot. He had a solid mid-range game. He could shoot the one or two dribble pull up. He could post up. He could take you off of the dribble and finish at the rim. He didn’t need isolations/clearouts called for him every possession.

I think it’s unfair of people to say they don’t think Pippen could’ve carried a team because he never really had the opportunity. I think he could’ve though. Maybe not to a title, but they’d have been just as good or no worse than Wilkins’ teams.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I don’t understand some of the comments…

Pippen wasn’t Iguodala… He was a much better offensive player than Iguodala is. Pippen was a very good offensive player, while being GREAT at just about everything else. You don’t think that trumps someone who was just a GREAT offensive player?

And when Pippen left the Bulls, he was past his prime. Obviously he wasn’t going to carry a team at that point… He joined teams with other fading stars and they were doing it in a collective effort, similar to the Celtics today. I’d say Pippen ended his career a hell of a lot better than Wilkins did.

And I didn’t understand that comment about Pippen’s ball handling, comparing him dominating the ball to LeBron, etc… Pippen wasn’t a ball dominator. He wasn’t a ball stopper. He moved the ball and had a complete game offensively. He could catch and shoot. He had a solid mid-range game. He could shoot the one or two dribble pull up. He could post up. He could take you off of the dribble and finish at the rim. He didn’t need isolations/clearouts called for him every possession.

I think it’s unfair of people to say they don’t think Pippen could’ve carried a team because he never really had the opportunity. I think he could’ve though. Maybe not to a title, but they’d have been just as good or no worse than Wilkins’ teams.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

I think it’s unfair of people to say they don’t think Pippen could’ve carried a team because he never really had the opportunity. I think he could’ve though. Maybe not to a title, but they’d have been just as good or no worse than Wilkins’ teams.

 

My issue is, I don’t think Pippen had the second level that superstars did AND I don’t know what a good complement is. Like for Pippen, you would need a clutch big. If you went and got that, I don’t think Pippen would be number one on that team. I think for Wilkins, you would just need a solid 18-8 type guy and I think you win a title.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

I think it’s unfair of people to say they don’t think Pippen could’ve carried a team because he never really had the opportunity. I think he could’ve though. Maybe not to a title, but they’d have been just as good or no worse than Wilkins’ teams.

 

My issue is, I don’t think Pippen had the second level that superstars did AND I don’t know what a good complement is. Like for Pippen, you would need a clutch big. If you went and got that, I don’t think Pippen would be number one on that team. I think for Wilkins, you would just need a solid 18-8 type guy and I think you win a title.

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

I think it’s unfair of people to say they don’t think Pippen could’ve carried a team because he never really had the opportunity. I think he could’ve though. Maybe not to a title, but they’d have been just as good or no worse than Wilkins’ teams.

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But he showed that he could carry a team in the only full season he was given a shot. In 1994 with MJ retired he averaged 22 PPG, 8.7 RPG, 5.6 APG and 2.9 SPG while leading the Bulls to 55 wins and a tight 7 game series against a very good New York Knicks team. All with Horace Grant and BJ Armstrong as his sidekicks.

Pippin probably could never have carried a team to a title like an MJ, Magic, Bird or Hakeem (how many players can?) but carrying a team to a 50+ win season like Nique? Well he proved that he could.

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

I think it’s unfair of people to say they don’t think Pippen could’ve carried a team because he never really had the opportunity. I think he could’ve though. Maybe not to a title, but they’d have been just as good or no worse than Wilkins’ teams.

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But he showed that he could carry a team in the only full season he was given a shot. In 1994 with MJ retired he averaged 22 PPG, 8.7 RPG, 5.6 APG and 2.9 SPG while leading the Bulls to 55 wins and a tight 7 game series against a very good New York Knicks team. All with Horace Grant and BJ Armstrong as his sidekicks.

Pippin probably could never have carried a team to a title like an MJ, Magic, Bird or Hakeem (how many players can?) but carrying a team to a 50+ win season like Nique? Well he proved that he could.

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

basketball is played on 2 ends of the floor and Scottie Pippen is probably the best defender in NBA history this side of Bill Russell….I’d like to see what Wilkins career stats are against the Bulls but I’d be willing to bet my car they are at least 5-7 ppg lower than his career averages……

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

basketball is played on 2 ends of the floor and Scottie Pippen is probably the best defender in NBA history this side of Bill Russell….I’d like to see what Wilkins career stats are against the Bulls but I’d be willing to bet my car they are at least 5-7 ppg lower than his career averages……

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

Pippin probably could never have carried a team to a title like an MJ, Magic, Bird or Hakeem (how many players can?) but carrying a team to a 50+ win season like Nique? Well he proved that he could.

 

Yea, but you just made the GOLDEN point for Nique. Nique never had great players around him in his prime. He was rolling with Doc Rivers and a over the hill ( yet still producing) Moses Malone. If you gave Wilkins a legit #2 guy, I think they get past Boston and Detroit for at least 1 season.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

Pippin probably could never have carried a team to a title like an MJ, Magic, Bird or Hakeem (how many players can?) but carrying a team to a 50+ win season like Nique? Well he proved that he could.

 

Yea, but you just made the GOLDEN point for Nique. Nique never had great players around him in his prime. He was rolling with Doc Rivers and a over the hill ( yet still producing) Moses Malone. If you gave Wilkins a legit #2 guy, I think they get past Boston and Detroit for at least 1 season.

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

Kevin Willis is a multiple time all-star….

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

Kevin Willis is a multiple time all-star….

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

Yea, but Willis took over for Malone. Wilkins-Willis-Rivers wasn’t winning a title because Willis was a good 3 man and Rivers was a great 4. You never had a legit #2 opposite Wilkins in his prime

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

Yea, but Willis took over for Malone. Wilkins-Willis-Rivers wasn’t winning a title because Willis was a good 3 man and Rivers was a great 4. You never had a legit #2 opposite Wilkins in his prime

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

but people in hell want ice water….shouldn’t have put all their eggs in Jon Koncak’s basket….

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

but people in hell want ice water….shouldn’t have put all their eggs in Jon Koncak’s basket….

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

but people in hell want ice water….shouldn’t have put all their eggs in Jon Koncak’s basket….

 

Well…that brought nothing to this conversation.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

but people in hell want ice water….shouldn’t have put all their eggs in Jon Koncak’s basket….

 

Well…that brought nothing to this conversation.

[omphalosParticipant]

@Indiana Basketball; not saying he was a ball-dominator in actuality, just saying that could have happened had he been the 1st option for much of his career given that he would have been relied on to score and create a lot.

[omphalosParticipant]

@Indiana Basketball; not saying he was a ball-dominator in actuality, just saying that could have happened had he been the 1st option for much of his career given that he would have been relied on to score and create a lot.

[GlenTaylorSucksParticipant]

Championships for Pippen: 6

Championships for Wilkins: ZERO

Enough said.

[GlenTaylorSucksParticipant]

Championships for Pippen: 6

Championships for Wilkins: ZERO

Enough said.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

Championships for Pippen: 6

Championships for Wilkins: ZERO

Enough said.

 

 

You do know Pippen won those titles with a better player on his team right? His name was Micheal Jordan

 

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

Championships for Pippen: 6

Championships for Wilkins: ZERO

Enough said.

 

 

You do know Pippen won those titles with a better player on his team right? His name was Micheal Jordan

 

[BigDParticipant]

Using championships to decide who’s a better player is massively overrated, what about Karl Malone, regarded as one of the best PF’s in the game and he didn’t win a ring. But to me it seems like this Dominique Wilkins was the better scorer and probably a better offensive player, but Pippen was the better all-round player.

[BigDParticipant]

Using championships to decide who’s a better player is massively overrated, what about Karl Malone, regarded as one of the best PF’s in the game and he didn’t win a ring. But to me it seems like this Dominique Wilkins was the better scorer and probably a better offensive player, but Pippen was the better all-round player.

[iguapops420Participant]

 I agree with everything Perez has said, except him not being able to carry a team and comparing his offense to Iggy. Iggy and Pip are 2 of my top 5 all time favorite players, but let’s not confuse ourselves into thinking Pippen wasn’t a good scorer as he was actually quite an effective finisher who used a combination of length, athleticism, body control, and very creative finishing moves. His game just was more team oriented to a point where he didn’t like to be selfish and take bad shots. Just like I said in another thread a while back, had Pippen left the Bulls and went to be a number one option, he could have had a career very similar to T-Mac. Prolly would have been more of a consistent 22-25 ppg scorer but I’m fully confident with his midrange game, driving abilities, and post game, he could easily have managed a season or two near 30 if his team needed it bad enough. But that would never happen because that’s just not the kind of mindset Pip had, but also why he was able to win 6 titles and Nique’ came away empty handed IMO.

[iguapops420Participant]

 I agree with everything Perez has said, except him not being able to carry a team and comparing his offense to Iggy. Iggy and Pip are 2 of my top 5 all time favorite players, but let’s not confuse ourselves into thinking Pippen wasn’t a good scorer as he was actually quite an effective finisher who used a combination of length, athleticism, body control, and very creative finishing moves. His game just was more team oriented to a point where he didn’t like to be selfish and take bad shots. Just like I said in another thread a while back, had Pippen left the Bulls and went to be a number one option, he could have had a career very similar to T-Mac. Prolly would have been more of a consistent 22-25 ppg scorer but I’m fully confident with his midrange game, driving abilities, and post game, he could easily have managed a season or two near 30 if his team needed it bad enough. But that would never happen because that’s just not the kind of mindset Pip had, but also why he was able to win 6 titles and Nique’ came away empty handed IMO.

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