[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

It seems like both of these guys are the odd men out on their rosters, Dion is the 4th banana on a team destined to have a ton of pressure on them all year, he’s clearly a guy that could put them over the top OR help them implode for a few weeks…Harrison is never going to break out behind Curry/Thompson and Iggy/Lee, he may be content being a role player but couldn’t a team like the 76ers put him in a better situation individually??? He’ll never get the touches needed to make a huge impact and could develop into a solid 2nd option in Philadelphia if given the opportunity…

My question…What would it take to pry these two young guys away from the Warriors /Cavs???

Obviously the 76ers could dangle their 1st rounder in 2016 (Top 7 no matter who they included) or throw a few future 1st round picks in 2016 and 2018?…Throw in a shooter like Richardson and a body like Sims to help out the playoff bound Cavs and Warriors…

[Jayhawks2011Participant]

 It seems like the 6ers shouldnt of traded thad young in the Love deal.  I’m sure either GS or CLE would flip those players for Young straight up.

[Jayhawks2011Participant]

 It seems like the 6ers shouldnt of traded thad young in the Love deal.  I’m sure either GS or CLE would flip those players for Young straight up.

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 If the 6ers or any other team offers a lot to those guys they would sign the offer sheet when they are RFA. Neither guy is likely to sign an early extension with their respective teams. I can’t see Barnes or Waiters getting a early deal done next summer because they both have so much more to prove in terms of their worth and that 4th year will be critical for both sides to determine a good number. Waiters would definitely sign a Philly offer sheet, being from Philly and all. Player options and trade kickers will make the Cavs and Warriors pause on matching a good long deal on Waiters or Barnes. 

6ers are better off waiting than giving up assets and maybe being in the same place themselves when those guys reach RFA.

 

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 If the 6ers or any other team offers a lot to those guys they would sign the offer sheet when they are RFA. Neither guy is likely to sign an early extension with their respective teams. I can’t see Barnes or Waiters getting a early deal done next summer because they both have so much more to prove in terms of their worth and that 4th year will be critical for both sides to determine a good number. Waiters would definitely sign a Philly offer sheet, being from Philly and all. Player options and trade kickers will make the Cavs and Warriors pause on matching a good long deal on Waiters or Barnes. 

6ers are better off waiting than giving up assets and maybe being in the same place themselves when those guys reach RFA.

 

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

Dion isn’t going anywhere.

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

Dion isn’t going anywhere.

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 The Warriors may want to make a big adjustment, on the money side, and maybe the 76ers with all their space could take the money.  D Lee and H Barnes to 76ers, A Shved and KJ McDaniels to the Warriors.  The Warriors find playing time for D Green, and they either save a huge amount of money or create a trade exception or they can add another team to the deal to bring in another player on big money.  Lee can be great, but the Warriors often talk about his money being too much.

But H Barnes for a pick from the 76ers could be much more likely.

Cleveland and the 76ers, they can make trades happen.  Waiters seems invisible as part of the Cavs, and they need either a great defender or a great outisde shooter at his spot.  The 76ers don’t really have that player to trade for him though.  Waiters could certainly be traded by the Cavs, he is one of the few trade assets they still have to use.

 

 

 

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 The Warriors may want to make a big adjustment, on the money side, and maybe the 76ers with all their space could take the money.  D Lee and H Barnes to 76ers, A Shved and KJ McDaniels to the Warriors.  The Warriors find playing time for D Green, and they either save a huge amount of money or create a trade exception or they can add another team to the deal to bring in another player on big money.  Lee can be great, but the Warriors often talk about his money being too much.

But H Barnes for a pick from the 76ers could be much more likely.

Cleveland and the 76ers, they can make trades happen.  Waiters seems invisible as part of the Cavs, and they need either a great defender or a great outisde shooter at his spot.  The 76ers don’t really have that player to trade for him though.  Waiters could certainly be traded by the Cavs, he is one of the few trade assets they still have to use.

 

 

 

 

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 Neither of those two would benefit from being in Philly. Yes they would get more shots and more individual stats, but they would be in a horrid culture of losing, surrounded by a bunch of no names, and no veteran leadership. Would completely stunt their growth IMO. Similiar to when Michael Beasley went to Minny, yes he averaged 20 a game but he also didnt develop as a person or player at all.

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 Neither of those two would benefit from being in Philly. Yes they would get more shots and more individual stats, but they would be in a horrid culture of losing, surrounded by a bunch of no names, and no veteran leadership. Would completely stunt their growth IMO. Similiar to when Michael Beasley went to Minny, yes he averaged 20 a game but he also didnt develop as a person or player at all.

[morestealsthanscoresParticipant]

What would it take? Firing Sam Hinkie. Totally against his guide to life.

[morestealsthanscoresParticipant]

What would it take? Firing Sam Hinkie. Totally against his guide to life.

[HinkieAndFalkParticipant]

 no hinkie is smart

everyone says we need to sign and trade for proven legit nba talent we sure do just not right now.

okc rushed it. through the draft ,trading players and picks,the pelicans rushed it through trades,draftpicks and signing players.

I believe every team has to take his lumps why sign a 26 year old kevin love now by the time tge sixers finally get a corw kevin a be pushing 30 whh sign a klay when he would be 27 and before we become. a contender he wouod be pushing 30

 

hinkie wants to develope what he has now what are they going to win if they sign any player? they will still suck when tge time is right and bradley beal becomes a rfa we chase him not to mention 

we already won over wiggins just lost the lottery he becomes a rfa 2018 or 2019 also parker and alot of top young players’not all will resign remember harden rember parsons remember joe’johnson

we can compete for sure but why sign and trade now’when its not in our plan.

now when we have a core in place we will have max money for superstars who are entering their’prime around 23 24years’old who can compete for atleast a 8 to 10 year window with.

vets will always be around we can always sign vets so i dont want to hear about vets.

 

 

 

[HinkieAndFalkParticipant]

 no hinkie is smart

everyone says we need to sign and trade for proven legit nba talent we sure do just not right now.

okc rushed it. through the draft ,trading players and picks,the pelicans rushed it through trades,draftpicks and signing players.

I believe every team has to take his lumps why sign a 26 year old kevin love now by the time tge sixers finally get a corw kevin a be pushing 30 whh sign a klay when he would be 27 and before we become. a contender he wouod be pushing 30

 

hinkie wants to develope what he has now what are they going to win if they sign any player? they will still suck when tge time is right and bradley beal becomes a rfa we chase him not to mention 

we already won over wiggins just lost the lottery he becomes a rfa 2018 or 2019 also parker and alot of top young players’not all will resign remember harden rember parsons remember joe’johnson

we can compete for sure but why sign and trade now’when its not in our plan.

now when we have a core in place we will have max money for superstars who are entering their’prime around 23 24years’old who can compete for atleast a 8 to 10 year window with.

vets will always be around we can always sign vets so i dont want to hear about vets.

 

 

 

[Sharp ShooterParticipant]

What would it take for the 76ers to pry away Harrison Barnes or Dion Waiters???"

 

The hands of god

 

 

[Sharp ShooterParticipant]

What would it take for the 76ers to pry away Harrison Barnes or Dion Waiters???"

 

The hands of god

 

 

[nill650Participant]

 Embiid is about it. philly doesnt have anything else to offer, and that would’nt happen this year anyway.

Waiters is primed to  be having a break out season playing with "good" players…plus gsw is starting barnes now with iggy coming off the bench/ no way they will trade Barnes at this point esp for a unprovens.

 

 

 

[nill650Participant]

 Embiid is about it. philly doesnt have anything else to offer, and that would’nt happen this year anyway.

Waiters is primed to  be having a break out season playing with "good" players…plus gsw is starting barnes now with iggy coming off the bench/ no way they will trade Barnes at this point esp for a unprovens.

 

 

 

[apb540Participant]

Why would the Sixers being trying to "pry away" Waiters or Barnes? You do understand the idea of tanking requires bad players who can’t score, therefore you ensure a loss, correct? Sam is doing nothing more than losing right now. I feel like if he was interested in trying out big time "take-a-flyer" type players, he would of made a move by now, but it appears as if it’s top 3 pick in 2015 or bust. 

Either way, neither are available since they play important roles on playoff caliber teams.

 

[apb540Participant]

Why would the Sixers being trying to "pry away" Waiters or Barnes? You do understand the idea of tanking requires bad players who can’t score, therefore you ensure a loss, correct? Sam is doing nothing more than losing right now. I feel like if he was interested in trying out big time "take-a-flyer" type players, he would of made a move by now, but it appears as if it’s top 3 pick in 2015 or bust. 

Either way, neither are available since they play important roles on playoff caliber teams.

 

[nill650Participant]

yeah that adds to my point about them not having anyone good enough (and too your point intentionaly) to entice other teams to part with 3rd year breakout talents…

I agree philly is not trying to win yet, there still rebuilding so in the end the point of questioning what it would take to get barnes or waiters is pretty much moot.

tanking really is overated imo. but if you are going to do it, you might as well go all in like they are doing. IF and I mean IF these players they are accumulating like Noel,Embiid,Saric,MCW all pan out ,they could be a scary long unit in a few years.

right now they don’t have enough scoring weapons to compete with anyone besides maybe the lakers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[nill650Participant]

yeah that adds to my point about them not having anyone good enough (and too your point intentionaly) to entice other teams to part with 3rd year breakout talents…

I agree philly is not trying to win yet, there still rebuilding so in the end the point of questioning what it would take to get barnes or waiters is pretty much moot.

tanking really is overated imo. but if you are going to do it, you might as well go all in like they are doing. IF and I mean IF these players they are accumulating like Noel,Embiid,Saric,MCW all pan out ,they could be a scary long unit in a few years.

right now they don’t have enough scoring weapons to compete with anyone besides maybe the lakers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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