[valentine]

Interesting article 

 

 

 

[Rip256]

Jordan would be Kobe without the steroids and NBA looking after him.

Still a dominant force. Clutch, competitive, championships etc.

Is he the GOAT without those things….mmmm I’m on the fence.

 

 

 

[Rip256]

Jordan would be Kobe without the steroids and NBA looking after him.

Still a dominant force. Clutch, competitive, championships etc.

Is he the GOAT without those things….mmmm I’m on the fence.

 

 

 

[ChrispyParticipant]

 I hesitate to ask that posters get banned, but this guy (or guys, though I doubt they are different folk) are f-ing this forum up. Please, for the love of god, stop. Do it for the children. Do it for all things holy. Hell, do it for Satan. I don’t care, just stop.

[ChrispyParticipant]

 I hesitate to ask that posters get banned, but this guy (or guys, though I doubt they are different folk) are f-ing this forum up. Please, for the love of god, stop. Do it for the children. Do it for all things holy. Hell, do it for Satan. I don’t care, just stop.

[T Rex]

 I hesitate to call you disingenuous. 

 

 

[T Rex]

 I hesitate to call you disingenuous. 

 

 

[ChrispyParticipant]

 Fine, then hesitate. You, on the other hand, are an absolute idiot.

[ChrispyParticipant]

 Fine, then hesitate. You, on the other hand, are an absolute idiot.

[Kwame33Participant]

 you seem like such an incredibly cool and relaxed guy.

[Kwame33Participant]

 you seem like such an incredibly cool and relaxed guy.

[Rip256]

No way rat. I come here for all the different characters.

From grumpy magic jordan with hos personalised insults to provocative t-rex to old-man choppy.

Even the hostiles – filipino Jr Roxas and mexican Lperez have places in my heart.

 

 

[Rip256]

No way rat. I come here for all the different characters.

From grumpy magic jordan with hos personalised insults to provocative t-rex to old-man choppy.

Even the hostiles – filipino Jr Roxas and mexican Lperez have places in my heart.

 

 

[Rip256]

 I didnt even lose respect for all the guys I’ve seen get catfished by users pretending to be female.

This site is the best

 

[Rip256]

 I didnt even lose respect for all the guys I’ve seen get catfished by users pretending to be female.

This site is the best

 

[T Rex]

David Stern, David Falk, Phil Knight, Jerry Reinsdorf, and Jerry Krause have a lot in common.

 

 

 

 

[T Rex]

David Stern, David Falk, Phil Knight, Jerry Reinsdorf, and Jerry Krause have a lot in common.

 

 

 

 

[King CaluchaParticipant]

One could only agree that there are some interesting facts in the article. Jordan being the GOAT isn’t a fact… it’s an opinion shared by most people (including me). Stating someone else could be better than Jordan is a debatable subject in my opinion.

Porzingis as GOAT isn’t something that can be discussed now because of the lack of data (and I’ve always been a big Porzingis fan). That being said, I agree that this forum has lost all the fun for me lately. A troll-ish comment from time to time is something that can be laughed at, but right now most topics can’t be taken seriously because these guys are posting everywhere with different accounts. Why aren’t the admins doing anything about it?

[King CaluchaParticipant]

One could only agree that there are some interesting facts in the article. Jordan being the GOAT isn’t a fact… it’s an opinion shared by most people (including me). Stating someone else could be better than Jordan is a debatable subject in my opinion.

Porzingis as GOAT isn’t something that can be discussed now because of the lack of data (and I’ve always been a big Porzingis fan). That being said, I agree that this forum has lost all the fun for me lately. A troll-ish comment from time to time is something that can be laughed at, but right now most topics can’t be taken seriously because these guys are posting everywhere with different accounts. Why aren’t the admins doing anything about it?

[Rip256]

Has the multiple accounts thing been proven?

Cos I only have one. I also dont consider myself a troll. I had previous account called rip255 but that got banned, I think after my Lingerie Basketball League thread. And after that Ive been on good behaviour. I came back with a new username and got mad +’s….and as soon as I re-named it Rip256…the negs came.

It goes to show that people are negging the individual regardless of their comment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rip256]

Has the multiple accounts thing been proven?

Cos I only have one. I also dont consider myself a troll. I had previous account called rip255 but that got banned, I think after my Lingerie Basketball League thread. And after that Ive been on good behaviour. I came back with a new username and got mad +’s….and as soon as I re-named it Rip256…the negs came.

It goes to show that people are negging the individual regardless of their comment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 T Rex has 3 other accounts. arambone arambone2 and zer0d0ubt. He’s the only one I know about tho.

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 T Rex has 3 other accounts. arambone arambone2 and zer0d0ubt. He’s the only one I know about tho.

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 I’m assuming they don’t keep track of IP addresses thus someone like T Rex with 15 accounts can’t be banned.

[Rip256]

Haha ur a harsh man Magic.

No one wants T rex banned. Hes funny.

 

 

 

[Rip256]

Haha ur a harsh man Magic.

No one wants T rex banned. Hes funny.

 

 

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 I’m assuming they don’t keep track of IP addresses thus someone like T Rex with 15 accounts can’t be banned.

[CynthiaParticipant]

They’re probably employees of a rival draft site, sent here to sabotage our forum. They’re succeeding.

[CynthiaParticipant]

They’re probably employees of a rival draft site, sent here to sabotage our forum. They’re succeeding.

[T Rex]

 I only run one account at a time. I just bump old threads sometimes from when I had another account name, like arambone, arambone2, zerodoubt. Each one got banned, one at a time.

You don’t see any new posts by those names, and I’m not rip. Rip is an Aussie who likes Aussie players.

I’m a new englander who loves the Celtics and draft underdogs with elite tools like Porzingis and Rozier and Smart and Olynyk.

Hopefully that’s cleared up.

Just like it’s clear that I wasn’t trolling when I compared Porzingis to KG all summer.

Just like it’s crystal clear that I was right about DRussell’s utter lack of athleticism and bustitude.

The most absurd thing I ever said is that Andrew Harrison will be just as good a shooting guard as DRussell, and even that isn’t out of the question at all.

Some groupthinkers hate independent thinkers with a passion, even when they explain their arguments very clearly.

And next draft season, some no defense, no athleticism flash in the pan will shoot up the draft boards, and pointing out their lack of athleticism and defense will be seen as trolling, and hated by groupthinkers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[King CaluchaParticipant]

Everything you said are not facts… they’re just predictions until facts can confirm them. Example: Russell is not a bust, yet.

You like being right, we get it… but please stop flooding the forum. People will stop calling you a troll if you only post your opinions once.

 

 

 

 

[King CaluchaParticipant]

Everything you said are not facts… they’re just predictions until facts can confirm them. Example: Russell is not a bust, yet.

You like being right, we get it… but please stop flooding the forum. People will stop calling you a troll if you only post your opinions once.

 

 

 

 

[T Rex]

 I only run one account at a time. I just bump old threads sometimes from when I had another account name, like arambone, arambone2, zerodoubt. Each one got banned, one at a time.

You don’t see any new posts by those names, and I’m not rip. Rip is an Aussie who likes Aussie players.

I’m a new englander who loves the Celtics and draft underdogs with elite tools like Porzingis and Rozier and Smart and Olynyk.

Hopefully that’s cleared up.

Just like it’s clear that I wasn’t trolling when I compared Porzingis to KG all summer.

Just like it’s crystal clear that I was right about DRussell’s utter lack of athleticism and bustitude.

The most absurd thing I ever said is that Andrew Harrison will be just as good a shooting guard as DRussell, and even that isn’t out of the question at all.

Some groupthinkers hate independent thinkers with a passion, even when they explain their arguments very clearly.

And next draft season, some no defense, no athleticism flash in the pan will shoot up the draft boards, and pointing out their lack of athleticism and defense will be seen as trolling, and hated by groupthinkers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 This article did nothing at all to diminish my opinion of jordan the basketball player in any way. Of course he was human and had the occasional bad shooting game and even he had flaws in his game just like every player in history. He was absolutely the product of some good circumstances in his career, although I would argue that guys like Phil Jackson and Scottie pippen owe more of their success to him than the other way around.

The bottom line is there was never any player that mastered the mental aspect of the game and could impose his will on the outcome of a game individually the way jordan could. He just had an uncanny ability for knowing exactly what play needed to be made or how to get to his spot on floor to get off the shot he wanted in crunch time. There was never any player who inspired as much fear in the opposition.

The difference between jordan and Kobe or jordan and lebron has nothing to do with pure physical basketball ability. Both were just as good and possibly even better than jordan in that regard. However, from a mental aspect neither is close imo. Kobe has a tendency to force the spectacular play rather than making the right play in crunch time and it has cost his team plenty of times. He gets too wrapped up in personal challenges on the court, often to the detriment of his team. Meanwhile, lebron has always sort of had a tendency to kind of shrink in the biggest moments. For all his gifts as a player, its just not in his nature to take over a game and he is almost unselfish to a fault at times. He is clearly not comfortable when he has to take a lot of shots and everyone is looking at him to make a play. 

Jordan had both the competitiveness to demand the ball and spotlight in the biggest moments but also the disciplined approach to make the right play in almost any circumstance. He came through more than any other player I’ve ever seen and its why I consider him the GOAT by a comfortable margin.

 

 

 

[T Rex]

 As the author said, Jordan missed something like 25-30 game winners. And those were often by forcing the issue.

Without the rings, nobody would be talking about what a mental master of the game Jordan was. Bird was more clutch and more of a mental master than Jordan.

And the author made a great point about the Bulls only being two games worse when Jordan retired the first time. While LeBron’s Cavs completely fell apart without him.

It’s like with Paul Pierce. People think he had a great season with the Wizards last year because he hit a couple buzzer beaters in the playoffs.

 On the Celtics, Pierce cost the team dozens of games by demanding the last shot, trying to be a big hero, and missing a super-low % contested fadeaway jumper. And yet the basketball world remembers him for being super clutch and dependable at the buzzer.

Same with Jordan, who would rather lose while playing hero ball at the buzzer than pass it to a teammate. But all we remember, through endless Nike ads, are the tough buzzer beaters that he actually made.

I also don’t think MJ was any more intimidating than 270 lb LeBron at his peak. The most intimidating thing about Jordan was all the superstar fouls he would draw if you even breathed on him.

DWade was getting those same ridiculous calls in 2011, and anybody who gets gifted trips to the FT line is going to feel super confident and invincible. 

It’s just like in baseball, everybody looked the other way when McGuire and Sosa were hitting home runs every other at bat. The pitchers even felt great pressure to throw them meatballs, rather than pitch around them, because it was good for the game.

For instance, remember when Kirilinko turned down 10 million guaranteed to sign with the Nets for 1 million a couple years ago? That was super suspicious. Prokhorov could have easily set up a 9-10 million dollar swiss bank account for him.

10-15 years ago, McHale was the GM of the Wolves and got busted paying Joe Smith millions of dollars under the table to skirt the salary cap.

How many of those Bulls championships were in part a result of under-the-table payments to Bulls players? I really doubt Stern would care if he found out. Just like Sosa and McGuire and Bonds, everybody wanted to see MJ succeed as much as possible, even pampering him with lame foul calls to get him to the ft line.

Because yeah, without all those rings, MJ is just Kobe Bryant, which is why the league wanted Jordan to have as many rings as possible.

Jordan used to take the refs out to dinner. David $tern didn’t even care.

 

 

 

 

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 I agree with you about bird. He had every bit the competitive drive and his ability to mentally gain an edge on an opponent was just as good if not better than jordan.  The only reason he wasn’t as good as jordan was that he lacked the natural athletic ability to be able to do the things that jordan could do on the court. As a pure basketball player ( minus athletic ability) bird was probably the best ever. 

[T Rex]

 I think before his back went out Bird was better than Jordan as a team basketball player and winner.

Jordan just put up better stats. 

Before Bird’s back injury, he won like 3 straight MVP awards and was regarded as the best to ever play the game.

Jordan was just another Kobe.

 

[oogellsParticipant]

Bird couldn’t defend anyone, and because of the team he was on was allowed to play free saftey. Bird was a better offensive player with shooting and playmaking, unfortunately the game is played on both ends

[oogellsParticipant]

Bird couldn’t defend anyone, and because of the team he was on was allowed to play free saftey. Bird was a better offensive player with shooting and playmaking, unfortunately the game is played on both ends

[T Rex]

 More Nike revisionism.

 

 

[T Rex]

 More Nike revisionism.

 

 

[T Rex]

 I think before his back went out Bird was better than Jordan as a team basketball player and winner.

Jordan just put up better stats. 

Before Bird’s back injury, he won like 3 straight MVP awards and was regarded as the best to ever play the game.

Jordan was just another Kobe.

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 I agree with you about bird. He had every bit the competitive drive and his ability to mentally gain an edge on an opponent was just as good if not better than jordan.  The only reason he wasn’t as good as jordan was that he lacked the natural athletic ability to be able to do the things that jordan could do on the court. As a pure basketball player ( minus athletic ability) bird was probably the best ever. 

[RioRepParticipant]

The obvious question: If the Bulls were as good as you say without Jordan, why didn´t they win at least one eastern conference finals that they were never in? Obvious answer: Because Jordan was the greatest winner. He knew what it takes. Without him they were like the present Atlanta Hawks. 

 Like Dazzling Dunks explained much better than I could possibly have. Jordan dominated the mind aspect of the game like noone else.

Even your ridiculous accusations that Jordan and the Bulls have rigged the game only are possible because he was the greatest. It´s like saying that Jack Nicholson can only play the part of Jack Nicholson. So what?! He´s THAT good. I want to watch him being him! 

And the final icing on the cake of your ignorantism is to say that he´d rather lose than to pass the ball. His passing and sharing the ball allowed Kerr and Paxson to taste their finest moments. 

If you can´t relate to the greatness of Michael Jordan, you really don´t like basketball. So I give up trying to reason with you. Silly me.

 

 

[RioRepParticipant]

The obvious question: If the Bulls were as good as you say without Jordan, why didn´t they win at least one eastern conference finals that they were never in? Obvious answer: Because Jordan was the greatest winner. He knew what it takes. Without him they were like the present Atlanta Hawks. 

 Like Dazzling Dunks explained much better than I could possibly have. Jordan dominated the mind aspect of the game like noone else.

Even your ridiculous accusations that Jordan and the Bulls have rigged the game only are possible because he was the greatest. It´s like saying that Jack Nicholson can only play the part of Jack Nicholson. So what?! He´s THAT good. I want to watch him being him! 

And the final icing on the cake of your ignorantism is to say that he´d rather lose than to pass the ball. His passing and sharing the ball allowed Kerr and Paxson to taste their finest moments. 

If you can´t relate to the greatness of Michael Jordan, you really don´t like basketball. So I give up trying to reason with you. Silly me.

 

 

[T Rex]

 Yes, it’s true that Jordan passed the ball more than once, and both of them were shown on repeat for years.

The Bulls won 2 less games without Jordan after he "retired" the first time. What does that say about his impact?

It’s true they didn’t win it all that year, and it’s true that Jordan was one of the greatest playoff performers. 

But one of the greatest playoff performers doesn’t necessarily = GOAT. Bird was just as good in the playoffs, was factually even more clutch, and factually made his teammates better than Jordan did.

Bird was a much better, and more willing passer, a much better 3 point shooter, and even better in the clutch.

Jordan’s success came after Bird’s back injury, and Magic’s forced early retirement.

What I’m pushing back against is the Nike argument that Jordan was clearly the best ever, and impossible to ever be better than.

No matter how often Jordan steps out and tries to bad mouth LeBron or Kobe or Shaq.

Shaq was clearly more dominant than Jordan. A 210 lb shooting guard with no 3 point shot just isn’t capable of instilling fear like Shaq did. No matter how many commercials for 200 dollar sneakers suggest otherwise.

The NBA has more in common with the WWE than we like to admit.

The NBA industrial complex will be promoting Jordan as the best ever until somebody else makes more money for the NBA and its financial partners than Jordan does.

 

 

[T Rex]

 Yes, it’s true that Jordan passed the ball more than once, and both of them were shown on repeat for years.

The Bulls won 2 less games without Jordan after he "retired" the first time. What does that say about his impact?

It’s true they didn’t win it all that year, and it’s true that Jordan was one of the greatest playoff performers. 

But one of the greatest playoff performers doesn’t necessarily = GOAT. Bird was just as good in the playoffs, was factually even more clutch, and factually made his teammates better than Jordan did.

Bird was a much better, and more willing passer, a much better 3 point shooter, and even better in the clutch.

Jordan’s success came after Bird’s back injury, and Magic’s forced early retirement.

What I’m pushing back against is the Nike argument that Jordan was clearly the best ever, and impossible to ever be better than.

No matter how often Jordan steps out and tries to bad mouth LeBron or Kobe or Shaq.

Shaq was clearly more dominant than Jordan. A 210 lb shooting guard with no 3 point shot just isn’t capable of instilling fear like Shaq did. No matter how many commercials for 200 dollar sneakers suggest otherwise.

The NBA has more in common with the WWE than we like to admit.

The NBA industrial complex will be promoting Jordan as the best ever until somebody else makes more money for the NBA and its financial partners than Jordan does.

 

 

[RioRepParticipant]

 If the NBA games are rigged and the league will suck the new cow dry when it comes, why do you bother watching? I knew you were such a helpless romantic… You shoud follow the varsity team around your block’s corner…

I’m no fan of Stern. But he did a good job helping NBA basketball reach more countries in the world. If something was rigged in the many years I´ve been following the game that was not Jordan’s titles, but your guy Shaq with a star studded Laker team that should have lost to Sacramento and San Antonio at least one time. Shaq didn´t instilled that much fear. I personally saw him get shut down by Dennis Rodman (that´s the guy they feared!) many times! Hakeem the Dream pícked his teeth with Shaq (4-0!) before he found out that the easiest way to win was to go to the Lakers. To compare Shaq to Jordan is laughable! HAHAHAHA! 

I am a huge fan of Bird too. I remember in the 80’s, I saw a game when he broke his cheek bone chasing a loose ball and had to come out of the game, only to return later as the crowd cheered to win the game for the Celtics. I´ve never seen anything like that in my life. Such  heart, such a tremendous and clever player, such technique, but no, no Jordan…

And yes, playoff performers are the better players. Or do you think the great player is the one that puts 60 poins against the Sixers in december? The great ones are the ones that are ready when the real battle begin come playoff time. That´s when you separate mice from men. And Jordan always delivered. With the help of his teamates of course. 

I don´t care about Nike. I care about what I saw. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[RioRepParticipant]

 If the NBA games are rigged and the league will suck the new cow dry when it comes, why do you bother watching? I knew you were such a helpless romantic… You shoud follow the varsity team around your block’s corner…

I’m no fan of Stern. But he did a good job helping NBA basketball reach more countries in the world. If something was rigged in the many years I´ve been following the game that was not Jordan’s titles, but your guy Shaq with a star studded Laker team that should have lost to Sacramento and San Antonio at least one time. Shaq didn´t instilled that much fear. I personally saw him get shut down by Dennis Rodman (that´s the guy they feared!) many times! Hakeem the Dream pícked his teeth with Shaq (4-0!) before he found out that the easiest way to win was to go to the Lakers. To compare Shaq to Jordan is laughable! HAHAHAHA! 

I am a huge fan of Bird too. I remember in the 80’s, I saw a game when he broke his cheek bone chasing a loose ball and had to come out of the game, only to return later as the crowd cheered to win the game for the Celtics. I´ve never seen anything like that in my life. Such  heart, such a tremendous and clever player, such technique, but no, no Jordan…

And yes, playoff performers are the better players. Or do you think the great player is the one that puts 60 poins against the Sixers in december? The great ones are the ones that are ready when the real battle begin come playoff time. That´s when you separate mice from men. And Jordan always delivered. With the help of his teamates of course. 

I don´t care about Nike. I care about what I saw. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[T Rex]

 As the author said, Jordan missed something like 25-30 game winners. And those were often by forcing the issue.

Without the rings, nobody would be talking about what a mental master of the game Jordan was. Bird was more clutch and more of a mental master than Jordan.

And the author made a great point about the Bulls only being two games worse when Jordan retired the first time. While LeBron’s Cavs completely fell apart without him.

It’s like with Paul Pierce. People think he had a great season with the Wizards last year because he hit a couple buzzer beaters in the playoffs.

 On the Celtics, Pierce cost the team dozens of games by demanding the last shot, trying to be a big hero, and missing a super-low % contested fadeaway jumper. And yet the basketball world remembers him for being super clutch and dependable at the buzzer.

Same with Jordan, who would rather lose while playing hero ball at the buzzer than pass it to a teammate. But all we remember, through endless Nike ads, are the tough buzzer beaters that he actually made.

I also don’t think MJ was any more intimidating than 270 lb LeBron at his peak. The most intimidating thing about Jordan was all the superstar fouls he would draw if you even breathed on him.

DWade was getting those same ridiculous calls in 2011, and anybody who gets gifted trips to the FT line is going to feel super confident and invincible. 

It’s just like in baseball, everybody looked the other way when McGuire and Sosa were hitting home runs every other at bat. The pitchers even felt great pressure to throw them meatballs, rather than pitch around them, because it was good for the game.

For instance, remember when Kirilinko turned down 10 million guaranteed to sign with the Nets for 1 million a couple years ago? That was super suspicious. Prokhorov could have easily set up a 9-10 million dollar swiss bank account for him.

10-15 years ago, McHale was the GM of the Wolves and got busted paying Joe Smith millions of dollars under the table to skirt the salary cap.

How many of those Bulls championships were in part a result of under-the-table payments to Bulls players? I really doubt Stern would care if he found out. Just like Sosa and McGuire and Bonds, everybody wanted to see MJ succeed as much as possible, even pampering him with lame foul calls to get him to the ft line.

Because yeah, without all those rings, MJ is just Kobe Bryant, which is why the league wanted Jordan to have as many rings as possible.

Jordan used to take the refs out to dinner. David $tern didn’t even care.

 

 

 

 

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 This article did nothing at all to diminish my opinion of jordan the basketball player in any way. Of course he was human and had the occasional bad shooting game and even he had flaws in his game just like every player in history. He was absolutely the product of some good circumstances in his career, although I would argue that guys like Phil Jackson and Scottie pippen owe more of their success to him than the other way around.

The bottom line is there was never any player that mastered the mental aspect of the game and could impose his will on the outcome of a game individually the way jordan could. He just had an uncanny ability for knowing exactly what play needed to be made or how to get to his spot on floor to get off the shot he wanted in crunch time. There was never any player who inspired as much fear in the opposition.

The difference between jordan and Kobe or jordan and lebron has nothing to do with pure physical basketball ability. Both were just as good and possibly even better than jordan in that regard. However, from a mental aspect neither is close imo. Kobe has a tendency to force the spectacular play rather than making the right play in crunch time and it has cost his team plenty of times. He gets too wrapped up in personal challenges on the court, often to the detriment of his team. Meanwhile, lebron has always sort of had a tendency to kind of shrink in the biggest moments. For all his gifts as a player, its just not in his nature to take over a game and he is almost unselfish to a fault at times. He is clearly not comfortable when he has to take a lot of shots and everyone is looking at him to make a play. 

Jordan had both the competitiveness to demand the ball and spotlight in the biggest moments but also the disciplined approach to make the right play in almost any circumstance. He came through more than any other player I’ve ever seen and its why I consider him the GOAT by a comfortable margin.

 

 

 

[Make’Em Say UGHParticipant]

He’s still one of the most prolific scorers in the history of basketball. 5X MVP. Even with the missed game winners, he’s hit some of the best game winners of all time. Especially in the playoffs. In today’s era we go ape when somebody has a 50 point game (which is deserved) – but you know how many 50 point PLAYOFF games this man has! Including a few that were BACK TO BACK. Even without the titles, his shot making skills are through the roof. His improvision and creativity going to the hole is unrivalved in my opinion. With that being said…interesting article.

 

[Make’Em Say UGHParticipant]

He’s still one of the most prolific scorers in the history of basketball. 5X MVP. Even with the missed game winners, he’s hit some of the best game winners of all time. Especially in the playoffs. In today’s era we go ape when somebody has a 50 point game (which is deserved) – but you know how many 50 point PLAYOFF games this man has! Including a few that were BACK TO BACK. Even without the titles, his shot making skills are through the roof. His improvision and creativity going to the hole is unrivalved in my opinion. With that being said…interesting article.

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

MJ had the best baseline in NBA history.  Night in and night out, the best.  

Best UPSIDE player in NBA history was Wilt.  Averaged 50 points an ENTIRE season.  Led the league in assists one year.  Had the 100 point game.  Hauled in 20 plus boards every night.  Better than that though, he was on the BEST two regular season teams in NBA history before the NBA-ABA merger.  His 68 win Philly team held the record, until the 69 win Lakers team broke it.  

Would Jordan have won 6 titles in the Russell-Wilt Era?  Maybe not…

HOWEVER, Wilt might have won more than two titles in THIS era.  The current NBA is about athletic bigs who can score inside quickly and then protect the paint.  Get those guys inside then get them to pass to open shooters.  Wilt could do all that AND pass.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

MJ had the best baseline in NBA history.  Night in and night out, the best.  

Best UPSIDE player in NBA history was Wilt.  Averaged 50 points an ENTIRE season.  Led the league in assists one year.  Had the 100 point game.  Hauled in 20 plus boards every night.  Better than that though, he was on the BEST two regular season teams in NBA history before the NBA-ABA merger.  His 68 win Philly team held the record, until the 69 win Lakers team broke it.  

Would Jordan have won 6 titles in the Russell-Wilt Era?  Maybe not…

HOWEVER, Wilt might have won more than two titles in THIS era.  The current NBA is about athletic bigs who can score inside quickly and then protect the paint.  Get those guys inside then get them to pass to open shooters.  Wilt could do all that AND pass.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 I see a lot of Ifs and Woulds in this post.  If you take out the hypotheticals I don’t see how MJ isn’t the GOAT.  He was and has been to this day the most dominant force (maybe Shaq) in the modern era of basketball.  

If you look at what was accomplished it’s not that hard.  6-0 in the finals, multiple MVP’s and scoring titles.  Team had best regular season record of all time.  

The notion that the NBA played a hand in his success, or pushed him to the front of the pack as far as exposure goes may be true….those things though cannot be quantified.  

MJ would dominate any era.  Past or present and there still hasn’t been a player with a similar package as MJ to this day.

You can say Lebron, but MJ had huuuuge hands and hangtime off two feet that Lebron has never been close to.  It allowed him to elevate over anybody he wanted for a midrange J.  You can’t compare their competitiveness no matter how much people try.  As someone who got to see them both play a substantial amount it’s just not even close, no matter the argument you try to make.

Plus, with the hand checking rules that are in place now, MJ would average 40 a night no problem.  Considering he averaged 38 one season in a brutally physical league.  

He would essentially be unguardable.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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 I see a lot of Ifs and Woulds in this post.  If you take out the hypotheticals I don’t see how MJ isn’t the GOAT.  He was and has been to this day the most dominant force (maybe Shaq) in the modern era of basketball.  

If you look at what was accomplished it’s not that hard.  6-0 in the finals, multiple MVP’s and scoring titles.  Team had best regular season record of all time.  

The notion that the NBA played a hand in his success, or pushed him to the front of the pack as far as exposure goes may be true….those things though cannot be quantified.  

MJ would dominate any era.  Past or present and there still hasn’t been a player with a similar package as MJ to this day.

You can say Lebron, but MJ had huuuuge hands and hangtime off two feet that Lebron has never been close to.  It allowed him to elevate over anybody he wanted for a midrange J.  You can’t compare their competitiveness no matter how much people try.  As someone who got to see them both play a substantial amount it’s just not even close, no matter the argument you try to make.

Plus, with the hand checking rules that are in place now, MJ would average 40 a night no problem.  Considering he averaged 38 one season in a brutally physical league.  

He would essentially be unguardable.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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