[RUDEBOY_Participant]

I was just reading on another post..Tezo said he overheard someone say Bynum is a beter player than Dwight Howard right now becuz Howard is too Goofy..lol..
I dont think Bynum is better then Dwight right now..But right now he’s in the top 4 among centers..
It would be interesting to see how he’ll be, if he was on another team..But he hasn’t been healthy full a full season the past few years..

But i think he could average about 19 points/9 rebounds & 2 blocks a game.If he wasnt on the Lakers..

But Hell he’s almost getting that now…lol

[stanford hoops]

Try 20-24 and 10-12. But fans would be upset because of him
getting injuries which would cause the team to lose there star for a good amount of games every season and the fans starting to talk about trading him
but the team holding off because he’s so talented and his age

the reason I put the points up is because he’s a good freethrow shooter

[stanford hoops]

Try 20-24 and 10-12. But fans would be upset because of him
getting injuries which would cause the team to lose there star for a good amount of games every season and the fans starting to talk about trading him
but the team holding off because he’s so talented and his age

the reason I put the points up is because he’s a good freethrow shooter

[gregoden08Participant]

24 is a little too much. 18-20 for sure though…probably 9-10 rpg.

[gregoden08Participant]

24 is a little too much. 18-20 for sure though…probably 9-10 rpg.

[stanford hoops]

I don’t see why not. He was putting up 20 with gasol hurt or was it 22? And I’m guessing he will have another good player on his team and a actual pg who is good as passing. I like fisher but he’s not a passing pg

[stanford hoops]

I don’t see why not. He was putting up 20 with gasol hurt or was it 22? And I’m guessing he will have another good player on his team and a actual pg who is good as passing. I like fisher but he’s not a passing pg

[omar dayzeParticipant]

if he was on another team there wouldnt necessarily be the matchup problems that taggin him with Gasol brings… Teams wont have to deal with 2 legit 7-footers, just the one. He wouldnt be getting alot of the buckets that come about purely because of his length and size advantage over his defender when a team doesnt have the size to guard both him and Gasol.

[omar dayzeParticipant]

if he was on another team there wouldnt necessarily be the matchup problems that taggin him with Gasol brings… Teams wont have to deal with 2 legit 7-footers, just the one. He wouldnt be getting alot of the buckets that come about purely because of his length and size advantage over his defender when a team doesnt have the size to guard both him and Gasol.

[stanford hoops]

Which is why I
mentioned his stats with gadol out. The other side of it is more touches. With a real pg. It’s just as realitiv he could get those numbers just like he could get 19. Both options are very reasonable

[stanford hoops]

Which is why I
mentioned his stats with gadol out. The other side of it is more touches. With a real pg. It’s just as realitiv he could get those numbers just like he could get 19. Both options are very reasonable

[billykParticipant]

24 ppg over the course of an 82 game season seems like a bit too much, especially if he is the main focus for other teams defense… I think he would be a 20 and 10 player…

[billykParticipant]

24 ppg over the course of an 82 game season seems like a bit too much, especially if he is the main focus for other teams defense… I think he would be a 20 and 10 player…

[stanford hoops]

You can still do it as a main focus. You have to factor in his pg since he can’t handle the ball and go coast to coast. He put up over 20 with gasol out and fisher and farmar as his pg. Is it really unreasonable for him
to get 24 with a real pg plus double his normal touches and going to the free throw line twice as much. Is the team
good or not? Because if they are bad he’s prob playing aginst the second until alot. If blachete can do it being less skilled in the post and smaller then I have zero doubt he can

[stanford hoops]

You can still do it as a main focus. You have to factor in his pg since he can’t handle the ball and go coast to coast. He put up over 20 with gasol out and fisher and farmar as his pg. Is it really unreasonable for him
to get 24 with a real pg plus double his normal touches and going to the free throw line twice as much. Is the team
good or not? Because if they are bad he’s prob playing aginst the second until alot. If blachete can do it being less skilled in the post and smaller then I have zero doubt he can

[sheltwon3Participant]

I think as of right now Howard is the better player but if you swapped Howard and a healthy Bynum. I think Orlando would gain more because Bynum is a legit post player, great passer and can play some defense. Lakers would be better defensively and athletically.

[sheltwon3Participant]

I think as of right now Howard is the better player but if you swapped Howard and a healthy Bynum. I think Orlando would gain more because Bynum is a legit post player, great passer and can play some defense. Lakers would be better defensively and athletically.

[gregoden08Participant]

Bynum isn’t near the player that Howard is…Howard is by far the best defensive center in the NBA and he averages 4 more rebounds and is a better shot blocker. Bynum might be a little bit better of a scorer though.

[gregoden08Participant]

Bynum isn’t near the player that Howard is…Howard is by far the best defensive center in the NBA and he averages 4 more rebounds and is a better shot blocker. Bynum might be a little bit better of a scorer though.

[billykParticipant]

I dont think Bynum can anchor Orlando defense and rebound like D12.. Howard allows Orlando to take sooo many three point attempts.. Also, when you consider that Nelson and Vince Carter are poor defenders Bynum would have to be as active as Howard on the boards and D…

[billykParticipant]

I dont think Bynum can anchor Orlando defense and rebound like D12.. Howard allows Orlando to take sooo many three point attempts.. Also, when you consider that Nelson and Vince Carter are poor defenders Bynum would have to be as active as Howard on the boards and D…

[stanford hoops]

Overall no he’s not better. Better offensive. Not better defender shot blocker or rebounder. You know what’s funny. We know Howard is better because of those things and we can agree for the most part on that. Bur almost the same can be said for the rondo rose debate (rondo wayy better defender,passer and rebounder rose better on offense) yet people question who’s better overall)

[stanford hoops]

Overall no he’s not better. Better offensive. Not better defender shot blocker or rebounder. You know what’s funny. We know Howard is better because of those things and we can agree for the most part on that. Bur almost the same can be said for the rondo rose debate (rondo wayy better defender,passer and rebounder rose better on offense) yet people question who’s better overall)

[gregoden08Participant]

Rose is much better on offense though. Bynum is slightly better than Howard (in terms of potential ppg) on offense. Two completely different arguments IMO.

[gregoden08Participant]

Rose is much better on offense though. Bynum is slightly better than Howard (in terms of potential ppg) on offense. Two completely different arguments IMO.

[stanford hoops]

Much better on offense? What was rondos ppg in the playoffs when Paul p was hurt? With kg playing hurt and Ray playing soso with defeses concentrating on rondo? IMO much better. Don’t think so

for arguements sake let’s say rose much better on offense. That’s how much better rondo is on defense then rose

[stanford hoops]

Much better on offense? What was rondos ppg in the playoffs when Paul p was hurt? With kg playing hurt and Ray playing soso with defeses concentrating on rondo? IMO much better. Don’t think so

for arguements sake let’s say rose much better on offense. That’s how much better rondo is on defense then rose

[gregoden08Participant]

That’s too small of a sample for that to mean anything (as far as PP being injured). Like I said, Rose is a much better offensive player…Anyone who watches Rose and Rondo can see that. Yes, Rondo is a better play maker. Yes, he is a better defender. I’ll still take Rose though. Rondo is still a terrible ft shooter/overall shooter and if he doesn’t have open lanes to the hoop he can struggle…Especially scoring the ball. Also, who did Rose have on his team who could consistently hit shoots? Exactly.

[gregoden08Participant]

That’s too small of a sample for that to mean anything (as far as PP being injured). Like I said, Rose is a much better offensive player…Anyone who watches Rose and Rondo can see that. Yes, Rondo is a better play maker. Yes, he is a better defender. I’ll still take Rose though. Rondo is still a terrible ft shooter/overall shooter and if he doesn’t have open lanes to the hoop he can struggle…Especially scoring the ball. Also, who did Rose have on his team who could consistently hit shoots? Exactly.

[gregoden08Participant]

*shots. won’t let me edit it lol.

[gregoden08Participant]

*shots. won’t let me edit it lol.

[stanford hoops]

You can take rose all day. Rondo is still overall better

[stanford hoops]

You can take rose all day. Rondo is still overall better

[NJHooper95Participant]

If Bynum was the number one option I think he would be a 20 and 10 guy. Dwight is more dominant because of his athleticism but Bynum has a better offensive skill set. And for the rose and rondo argument its the same. Rose is the more dominant player because of his physical attributes, but rondo is a better more complete point guard. Cant go wrong with either. It is easier to improve your jumpshot than it is to become a more instinctive passer or better defender, or better rebounder. Rose is amazing but rondo is probably the better point guard (not player) by definition.

[NJHooper95Participant]

If Bynum was the number one option I think he would be a 20 and 10 guy. Dwight is more dominant because of his athleticism but Bynum has a better offensive skill set. And for the rose and rondo argument its the same. Rose is the more dominant player because of his physical attributes, but rondo is a better more complete point guard. Cant go wrong with either. It is easier to improve your jumpshot than it is to become a more instinctive passer or better defender, or better rebounder. Rose is amazing but rondo is probably the better point guard (not player) by definition.

[billykParticipant]

Rondo is a BETTER offensive player than Rose… Rose can shoot better than Rondo, but Rondo is a better playmarker, more efficent scorer, and takes care of the ball better than Rose… Rondo shooting is a weakness, but he makes up for his lack of a jumpshot shoot by living in the paint…

[billykParticipant]

Rondo is a BETTER offensive player than Rose… Rose can shoot better than Rondo, but Rondo is a better playmarker, more efficent scorer, and takes care of the ball better than Rose… Rondo shooting is a weakness, but he makes up for his lack of a jumpshot shoot by living in the paint…

[JNixonParticipant]

Bynum would be a 20-21 ppg 10 rpg player I think.

[JNixonParticipant]

Bynum would be a 20-21 ppg 10 rpg player I think.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Based on what I saw from Bynum when Gasol was out, he could be a 20-22 and 10-12 player.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Based on what I saw from Bynum when Gasol was out, he could be a 20-22 and 10-12 player.

[joecheck88Participant]

if bynum could stay healthy and play the same minutes as howard and was on a team where he was the number 1 option in the post, i could see 19ppg and 11 rpg with 2.3bpg. i mean think about it, he is very fundamentally sound. he isnt as agressive as howard but is more efficient. so thats where the 19ppg comes from, its similar to howard but howard gets fouled more but misses alot of free throws. if howard was like a 72% free throw shooter he would be at like 22 or 23ppg. but he doesnt. bynum isnt as agressive so wouldnt get fouled as much but he would make the most of his oppritunities. howard is still the best center but bynum wouldnt be far behind. but what i think separates howard from all the others is his ability to stay healthy. yes its part luck with injuries but you cant deny that howard keeps himself well maintained. so stop saying if someone was healthy because guys that stay healthy deserve some credit for doing that.

and just for fun, my top 5 centers in the league if healthy and all had similar minutes(lets say 35mpg)

1) dwight howard- so imposing on the defensive end is what separates him. he isnt the best offensive player on here but he is the best.

2) yao ming- simply put, you dont get much better production from the center spot. he is so efficient on offense its scary.

3)andrew bynum- he can really do everything well as a center. good shot blocker, rebounder, scorer.

4) andrew bogut- i think he is very underrated to alot of people. he is similar to bynum ias he can do many things well but bynum is more physically gifted.

5) greg oden- remember this is if healthy and receiving minutes. i still may get killed but i think he can be special. probably not the scorer of the others but could be the best defender and rebounder. i could see 13ppg, 13rpg, and 3bpg from a healthy oden.

honorable mention

brook lopez- it just seems like he gets a softer double double than these guys. he got numbers on a bad team which doesnt tell me much. i think he is very good and will be an all star but right now im going to give the edge to the other 5.

marc gasol- similar to lopez in that he put up numbers on a not so great team. im not trying to diminish him as a player but would take the other 5 over him any day of the week barring injuries(its worth repeating)

chris kaman- deserves a mention but like lopez and gasol bad team. and dont know if he would be better somewhere else.

guys like tim duncan, pau gasol, and al jefferson are power forwards to me.

and like i said these are guys i would take barring injuries and injury history.

[joecheck88Participant]

if bynum could stay healthy and play the same minutes as howard and was on a team where he was the number 1 option in the post, i could see 19ppg and 11 rpg with 2.3bpg. i mean think about it, he is very fundamentally sound. he isnt as agressive as howard but is more efficient. so thats where the 19ppg comes from, its similar to howard but howard gets fouled more but misses alot of free throws. if howard was like a 72% free throw shooter he would be at like 22 or 23ppg. but he doesnt. bynum isnt as agressive so wouldnt get fouled as much but he would make the most of his oppritunities. howard is still the best center but bynum wouldnt be far behind. but what i think separates howard from all the others is his ability to stay healthy. yes its part luck with injuries but you cant deny that howard keeps himself well maintained. so stop saying if someone was healthy because guys that stay healthy deserve some credit for doing that.

and just for fun, my top 5 centers in the league if healthy and all had similar minutes(lets say 35mpg)

1) dwight howard- so imposing on the defensive end is what separates him. he isnt the best offensive player on here but he is the best.

2) yao ming- simply put, you dont get much better production from the center spot. he is so efficient on offense its scary.

3)andrew bynum- he can really do everything well as a center. good shot blocker, rebounder, scorer.

4) andrew bogut- i think he is very underrated to alot of people. he is similar to bynum ias he can do many things well but bynum is more physically gifted.

5) greg oden- remember this is if healthy and receiving minutes. i still may get killed but i think he can be special. probably not the scorer of the others but could be the best defender and rebounder. i could see 13ppg, 13rpg, and 3bpg from a healthy oden.

honorable mention

brook lopez- it just seems like he gets a softer double double than these guys. he got numbers on a bad team which doesnt tell me much. i think he is very good and will be an all star but right now im going to give the edge to the other 5.

marc gasol- similar to lopez in that he put up numbers on a not so great team. im not trying to diminish him as a player but would take the other 5 over him any day of the week barring injuries(its worth repeating)

chris kaman- deserves a mention but like lopez and gasol bad team. and dont know if he would be better somewhere else.

guys like tim duncan, pau gasol, and al jefferson are power forwards to me.

and like i said these are guys i would take barring injuries and injury history.

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