[lakesidebenParticipant]

 While we are a ways away from being able to call the tanking experiment in Philadelphia a success, I think most 76er fans would agree that they are better off because of it. Now that Sam Hinkie is a free agent, it seems that the draft reformation talk has died down. So my question is who would be the best fit for a Hinkie return? My immediate response would be Brooklyn, but since they owe their souls to Boston, tanking does them no good. My second choice would be Sacramento because of their recent lack of success using more traditional tactics. (Owing their 2019 draft to Philly being the biggest hindrance). While any bafoon can tank a basketball team, I thought Hinkie did a great job at getting a return on assets getting sold off. While Sac doesn’t have a lot to sell, there is still some value in players in players like Gay and Afflalo. (Plus I don’t see Vlade writing an art of the deal book soon). Does anyone see Hinkie coming back soon? Where would he fit best? Would you want him in charge of your floundering team?

[Robb_CParticipant]

 Sam Hinkie is probably blackballed from another gm job in the league.. Adam Silver literally had to pull the plug on Hinkie and get Colangelo the job before the Damage got any worse. I just dont see him ever getting a gm job again, maybe an advisor role but hes not suited to operate and run a whole operation

[lakesidebenParticipant]

 Damage to the NBA or damage to the team? Because it could be argued that he did a lot of good in Philly. At least there is hope now. If I am an owner, I want a GM that bends the rules so much that the league considers changing the rules.

[Robb_CParticipant]

 Youre looking at it from a fans perspective.. That locker room was in complete shambles when Colangelo took over.. Hinkie had no accountablity for his players and looked at them as moveable interchangable pieces.. It created a very toxic culture.. Ive talked about this before on here.. 

 

[negguaryParticipant]

 who told you this, more of your reliable inside sources??? Lol

[Robb_CParticipant]

 Bro no offense, you dont know me or who i came up with… Fact of the matter is some of my good friends are in the league right now.. A couple did play for the sixers..

thats beyond the point.. Ive posted lots of creditable info on here all you gotta do is fact check it.. O wait you cant cause you have no access.. 

[negguaryParticipant]

from what I remember you said you were done with this site because we were ungreatful when a few of us questioned you on some random claims you had made and pushed you to provide proof! Remember? No! You were the one who claimed a coach was messing with undergrad girls, that was you. Remember? No! And I can’t check creditable(credible)because that’s not a word. Any post you’ve made that was named on facts was already public knowledge! 

[Robb_CParticipant]

I said CO-Eds not undergrads and yes a former Villanova player did tell me about a particular coach getting attention from the female student body.

 you sound like a dweeb and a troll.. get off my dick

 

 

 

 

 

 

[lakesidebenParticipant]

 So be it. I look at it as ends and not the means. I still say Philly’s better off. I do apologise if this is a repeat topic. I don’t catch them all.

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

76ers might have hit rock bottom. But they recovered faster,  and are now in a better position going forward than many teams that have been bad for as long as they were. Ex: Kings,  Lakers.

[holefillers1Participant]

 Phoenix, Detroit, Orlando, Sacramento, Portland

[jabbar_medvedenkoParticipant]

 I hate it that I have to root for my Lakers to lose, and I hated Hinkie’s modus operandi. Definitely don’t think he should ever get a job again. As bad as my Lakers are (and they are better than the record shows), they never tried to tank on purpose. After losing Dwight Howard, every summer they went for win-now moves to try and send Kobe into retirement with grace, and only bottomed out when they had seen that they couldn’t compete.

 What Hinkie did was just disgraceful and disgusting, costing them at least five years of decent basketball and getting no sure thing in return. The best asset they got from being the NBA’s laughingstock for so many years is Dario Saric, and that speaks volumes. There are at least five young teams (Celtics, Bucks, Wolves, Lakers, Suns) in better position than they are, and none of them had to go through ‘the process’, one of the most ridiculous things the NBA has ever seen. Was it really worth it?

[lakesidebenParticipant]

 I am still keeping embiid and Simmons higher than saric in my value rankings. Laker fans don’t have to worry about 15 year losing streaks because FAs will always come to LA. As a Wolves fan I can tell you our potential was a LONG time coming. I would have happily taken 5 years of trash teams instead. But that’s just me.

[holefillers1Participant]

 You’re Lakers are tanking right now.  And have fun with that core. Reminds me of the Sixers core when they refused to trade Willie green and Kyle Korver.  

My guess is Lakers will draft Ball and have three combo guards as part of their core…Hinkie could have done that.

  

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 Ask Deng and Mozgov if they think the Lakers are not tanking?

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 Who was the Last Good free agent that the Lakers got that they didn’t have to overpay? The only good free agent pick up the Lakers have made since Shaq left was Artest,  but he was crazy.

[frogmanParticipant]

Nobody needs Hinkie to get a team to be the worst in the league for half a decade.  I can’t believe some people think he is a genius.  Yes you will get some nice pieces when you don’t even pretend to try to win for that long.

[HitsterParticipant]

 Anyone could tank a team, Hinkie did the best job this side of Billy King at the Nets although Billy’s wasn’t intentional. It is ironic that the year after Hinkie left, a virtual scratch team has won nearly as many games as the last two seasons combined. So the team ethic under Colangelo Jnr has certainly improved and with Hinkie out of the way it has probably allowed Brett Brown to put his stamp more on the roster.

The hugely respected Jerry Colangelo is still there as an advisor and steadying influence, his knowledge come draft day will always be handy.

 

[thetrademachineryParticipant]

 detroit definitely, could easily switch players for picks.

[binetParticipant]

 Sam Hinkie’s job has been very scrutinized by all other franchise, and the whole league know has integrated some of his techs. It’s not only about tanking, but also trading players for future picks very easily. Right now, it seems that first round picks have higher value than ever before and it’s all because of Sam. That Sacramento "Boogie" trade which did not look good at all is very Hinkiesque (and looks better and better every day), Danny Ainge not trading his BKN picks for stars is also a reaction of this.

It’s easy to envision processing a franchise by blowing current roster and tanking another 2-3 years, but I don’t think you need Hinkie for it. And as far as the rest of the GM job, Hinkie arguably was bad : his draft selections were not great (even if he chose Embiid or Saric, he did not do particularily well, probably even subpar), he was hated by most other GMS and Silver, never successfully attracted interesting talent to Philly in FA and never proved he could help win or ever more important with "the process", help talent develop. You could argue he never tried or had the chance, and that’s true, but imo any owner would rather ask a GM with a better development track record to try and experiment "the Process" rather than get Hinkie.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

If you ever wonder who are the people who fall for ponzi schemes, three-card monte, or Nigerian princes, ask them what they think of Sam Hinkie. It is amazing this guy has gotten away with making a ton of awful draft picks, personnel decisions, and team building under the guise of "I don’t want it to work yet." 

By the way, teams are allowed to rebuild. They are allowed to make the decision that what was in place didn’t work out, and start over. Whether it works or not, nobody holds it against Boston, Utah, Orlando, Denver, Milwaukee, Minnesota, or any of the other teams who make similar decisions around the same time. The difference is that saying "I’m not trying so don’t judge me until I already succeed" is a con game. Ron Hennigan turned out to be an awful GM in Orlando. He made, more or less, the same decision to rebuild as Hinkie. Nobody still credits Hennigan for that because you judge a GM on what he builds not what he tears down. 

 

 

 

[publius2481Participant]

I think the Knicks would be a good place for Hinkie. In some ways it might be a better place for his ideas than Philly because the Knicks already have a potential star player in Porzingis (getting the first star is toughest part of Hinkie’s strategy). With Porzingis in the fold, the real goal is to get good young talent round him and trading away vets seems for picks and young players seems like a smart strategy. Also, part of Hinkie’s strategy involves buying picks by taking on unwanted contracts and the Knicks have the financial ability to even pay the luxury tax to do so (other than the Lakers, that is not something any other team would be willing and able to do), so the Knicks have a greater to "buy" picks. Finally, there would not be the attendence pressures you would see in most markets. The Knicks sell out even when they suck, so ownership worry over financial pressures is not an issue in NY. 

Now, I do not think the Knick need to go on a 5 year losing streak (Porzingis, Hernangomez, and their 2017 pick should give them a base of young talent). However, a two-year tank would really help them and by that time Porzingis should be entering his prime, so the timeline makes sense.

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 The Kings probably were ripe for a Hinkie make over when DMC was traded but with 2019 pick going to Philly that would complicate things.

Brooklyn post 2018 when they get some picks of their own springs to mind but could they do what Philly did and hire both Hinkie and Billy King.

Danny Ainge always plays his cards close, I don’t think Hinkie’s tank masterplan effected his thinking.

 

 

[khaled_a_dParticipant]

@frogman
Sixers was actually worst team in the league only once btw,
@Hitster
You don’t think having both Embiid & Saric along did some help to their record? I thnk they just had better talent this year.

As for the main topic,I won’t mind him getting a co-joint GM position,but he needs help. He needs someone to take some of the draft selection from him. Noel & Saric was solid picks although the former wasn’t best available player,but Jahlil while being most hyped was bad selection,like he was going for what the media think is good not who he should draft.
He also need someone to slow him down a little bit,if you want to lose do it but have more veterans that is fighting for job to make veteran presence in the locker room.

I am not sure which team would benefit most from him tbh but there is a bunch of teams who are stuck in the middle of nowhere that might decide to blow it up. May be Pacers if Paul George decided to leave?

[theballerwayParticipant]

Looks like you were right Hitster.

 

According to a Real GM report the kings have ask for permission to speak with ‘The Hink’

Still dont think its the way forward and after the Cousins exhile I thought they were in a position to make steps forward. The role is yet to be disclosed.

 

 

 

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