[sheltwon3Participant]

Who will improve the most and who will regress? My favorite for blowing up is Anthony Randolph. His work ethic is great and he has grown and inch and some weight. He is probably got that KG strength now. Eric Gordon to me will show a little Brandon Roy to his game. Beastley may actually get some time to display his many skills and an improved defense that will help him get more minutes in Miami. Galinari may look more like what we should have seen last year. The list goes on. You tell me what is good.

[HaleParticipant]

I agree with all of those, I am not so high on Gallinari but the rest should all do great. If a big man goes down in LA, I think DeAndre Jordan could step up too, along with DJ Augustin, JaVale McGee and JJ Hickson (if given more PT).

[birdman113]

if Oden counts i think hell do a lot better. also i think Joe Alexander will get more playing time and play a lot better.

[Tobe BryantParticipant]

Mayo was tailor fitted for the NBA since birth…lol….I think he will definitely be an all-star next year. Gordon and Rose are also potential all-stars that will continue to come on strong. Im liking Jerryd Bayless’s game as well. Portland like so many times before have gotten a steal.

[BosteritoParticipant]

If Spoelstra finally realizes that Beasley should start instead of Haslem, say hello to the new 20-10 guy.

[NJnetskiddParticipant]

Courtney Lee is going to get alot more offensive touches and play time then he did with Orlando. I expect him to play 30 mpg and put up 14ppg 3ast 1.5 spg

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I know for a fact that Greg Oden & Eric Gordon have been in the gym literally all summer, so I’m going to go w/ them. Oden is 100% healthy, has increased his core/lower body strength & has lost close to 15 lbs. Gordon has been working on his ball handling, mid-range game & is supposed to be attending a few training sessions w/ Kobe & D. Wade later on this summer!

[sheltwon3Participant]

tez thanks for the info. Gordon is the truth though and Kobe knows it. I would not be surprise to see be one of the next top scorers.

[sheltwon3Participant]

People dont understand that when it all finally clicks for Oden, he could be a better Center than Howard is projected to be. Oden potential and skills are better than Howard early on but Howard did not deal with early injuries and also did not play on a good team that really could not wait for him to develop. The Magics got better as Howard improved. Oden has to find his role than after that dominate like he should. Howard is more athletic but Oden is pretty atheltic himself and he is used to being big. howard put on weight later on. Oden also may have a slighly better low post game because that one year of college did him some wonders.

[llperez]

nuff said

just kidding, I think Oden, ARandolph, and Courtney Lee will all step up.

[RickyRubio9Participant]

Sun Yue…

[sheltwon3Participant]

How could i lose points with what i just said up there. I did not say anything bad. I hope you dont have Howard lover over reacting. I like Howard. As a center though Oden is a better prospect. Howard is more like a power forward but he can now shoot and also like I said he gain his weight late so it may take him some time to get used to his bigger body. Oden has been his size for quite a while, he just need to adjust to the game speed and not get so down on himself. Half of success in the NBA is confidence.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

I like Joe Alexander to step into the starting role and really blow up. I dont mean 20 points a game but i could definatly see a 10 to 12 points a game along with 3 to 4 rebounds, 2 to 3 assist, and a block and a steal. This woud mean he would be a great role player. He could even develop into a number 2 option. His work ethic and drive to be the best, not to mention his range and atheltic ability, could make this guy very special in a few years.

[llperez]

I like him a lot. He can create his own shot and finish around the basket. He should see more playing time, but will still have to battle with fellow rookie Mbah a Moute for time.

[NYK2010Participant]

Lets see what Derrick Rose does w/out Ben Gordon now. Courtney Lee will get a lot better now that he’s not the last option on offense. Beasley, Eric Gordon, Westbrook, Gallinari, Brook Lopez, A. Randolph all should get a lot better. I’m not big on Augustin, Alexander, Robin Lopez and J.J. Hickson but their all young.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

Nah…Mbah a Moute wont start because he has no outside game. If he did, that would mean Redd would be the only deep threat and they could just run him off the line. Since there is no potiental to kick out for a three, they would make the healing Redd attemp to creat his own shot. With Alexander, Redd could drive and not be doubled by Alexanders man because he can knock down the three ball. Alexander is almost a lock for the 3. He plays hard like Skiles wants. He fits the system. Look for him to break out.

[sheltwon3Participant]

If they resign Session they will need an athletic swing to finish fastbreaks. Alexander definitely has the inside track and also they would have drafted different if they did not have confidence in Alexander.

[MuggsyParticipant]

I really hope Oden finally gets to shine and show why he was the #1 pick. I refuse to believe he will bust.

[sheltwon3Participant]

He won’t, if you look at his full body of work, it is more mental than anything else but I think after a year of being mostly healthy and an off season where he can work out and get prepare for the season, He will make strides. Last year was kind of like his rookie year and most players tend to make the biggest jumps from their first to second years of getting good minutes. I see double double and some decent blocks. I dont see why he cant at least put up Kevin Love and Prysabilla type numbers. I am talking bout combined. He should be able to do that easy once he gets used to the speed of the game and his role.

[MuggsyParticipant]

I didn’t mean I expected him to be a star, but more like another #1 pick in Bogut. Solid player for the rest of his career but will never be elite. I just don’t think he’s going to end up like Kwame Brown & Kandi Man, or Darko Milicic.

[unaznizedParticipant]

yeah i refuse to believe he’s a bust, i agree with Sheltwon, it’s more mental for him than anything else. with hours of summer workouts, his Stamina will improve a bunch. now he just has to work on staying out of foul trouble.

in adition to this topic, i think russell westbrook will make big strides for this upcoming season. he shot below 40% this year and turned the ball over 3.3 times a game.

[MattissickParticipant]

Jerryd Bayless is set to blow up this year. If he gets starters minutes, he could put up 18 ppg. DJ Augustin is crazy skilled/very good shooter so if he gets minutes, he can be rly good too. Of course you have the gordons and westbrooks but Randolph may get a good shot. It’s hard to trust Nelly though cuz he messes with his players minutes more than anyone.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

lol i’m loving some of the sheer conviction on this page… Jaredpaul: Nah…Mbah a Moute wont start because he has no outside game.

Do you know who Scott Skiles is? Are you forgetting that Luc played in all 82 games and started in 52 of those appearances? I’m not guaranteeing that Luc starts, but come on, you have to say there’s a decent chance. You lose credibility when you say things like that…

How have more people not mentioned Russell Westbrook and Derrick Rose? Yes they did really well last year, but 1) they also probably showed the most improvement from their final college seasons to their rookie campaigns, 2) they are the two most athletically gifted prospects (meaning they have the highest ceiling.)

I’d expect both to cut down on the TOs and both to average 6+ rebs AND ass per game. Rose was only grabbing 4 reb/game in the regular season, but in the postseason he started picking it up and did average 6+ in both categories. The sky is the limit for these two guys.

Also, the comparison of Eric Gordon to Brandon Roy…. What? Nothing about Gordon screams Roy, IMO. Gordon is an undersized SG, while Roy is an oversized PG… Roy is a clear-cut winner, Gordon has been…. a consistent LOSER in his first two post-HS seasons. I don’t see the comparison. I do think eric gordon will score a ton in his career. I don’t know if he’ll ever be a winner.

[JNixonParticipant]

Michael Beasley, OJ Mayo, Marreese Speights,Brandon Rush and dont forget about George Hill.

[BosteritoParticipant]

Damn I got 5 points for saying that stuff about Beasley?

[gatorheelsParticipant]

I’m telling yall watch out for the Warriors this year….they don’t need Amare…..Anthony Randolph & Anthony Morrow will be killin teams. Just watch what they do in summer league, they will be nasty.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

anthony morrow can’t play defense lol. even if you make 40% of threes (2/5(3) = 1.2 pts expected value) you have to stop the opposing guy from shooting 60% of 2’s, (3/5(2) =1.2 expected value) which is debatable for Morrow. the kid is wiry. and you also have to factor in the fact that he’s a black hole who doesn’t make anyone else on his team better.

i think anthony randolph will be good, but not KG-good. I love how everyone compares all these wiry, nearly 7’0 big men to KG, when none of them hold a candle to the BIG TICKET! What makes KG so special is his OUT-OF-CONTROL motor, which mr. randolph doesn’t have. He’s very talened though, I’ll give you that.

The Warriors don’t stand a chance getting outta the west, even with amare

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

“Roy is a clear-cut winner, Gordon has been…. a consistent LOSER in his first two post-HS seasons. I don’t see the comparison. I do think eric gordon will score a ton in his career. I don’t know if he’ll ever be a winner.”

This is one of the most ridiculous statments I’ve ever read on this site. You’re using two (only TWO) of the most disfunctional seasons in Gordon’s life to determine “if he’ll ever be a winner”. I want to argue w/ you & show you just how silly what you said was, but you’re just STUPID & it’s not worth the time.

Like I said above though… I can vouch for Eric Gordon & George Hill (they train together). Gordon looked great. He’s improved his ball handling & has been working on his mid-range game. Hill will be a starter one day in the NBA & when he does… Watch out. I can also vouch for Greg Oden. He looks GOOD. Like I said above… He’s lost about 15 lbs & looked EXTREMELY mobile & explosive. I could tell he’s improved his core/lower body strength.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

First of all, I didn’t say he would NEVER be a winner, i just said i didn’t KNOW if he’d ever be a winner. The point was, where does the comparison to BRoy come in? BRoy was fairly successful at Washington; Gordon was not successful in college (granted there were extenuating circumstances).

Still, if he was SO GOOD, he and DJ White should have done more damage. You can argue all you want, but Eric Gordon has proven himself to be a loser THUS FAR at higher levels of competition. I NEVER said he wouldn’t be a winner.

Please, provide your argument… are you going to cite HS or summer AAU ball? go for it, i’ve heard it before. please, grace us with your reasoning behind why gordon is a WINNER!

[gatorheelsParticipant]

xbadgerhustler- you are wrong my friend….Morrow & Randolph are gonna takeover summer league…watch & see. I think the Warriors are going to make the playoffs…they are deep and talented. By the way I didn’t compare Randolph to KG..I think they have different games. I’ve seen Randolph in person when he was at LSU….I knew then he was pretty special. He is great on fast breaks…he can really run the floor for a big man plus he is a lefty. You are sleeping on Morrow…for a guy that was undrafted he has made a name for himself already. Look for both these guys to have huge years.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

i know you didn’t compare randolph to KG~ i’m just saying that most skinny 6’11 guys have a hard time making it in the league… unless they have KGs motor… I think Randolph will be good. A lot of other people (maybe not even on this site, but just in general) try to make the KG comparison, which i don’t see.

Those two WILL tear up summer league (because they are rotation NBA players). Marco Belinelli tore up summer league 2 years ago though~ summer league doesn’t mean SHIT! lol

i hope you prove me wrong on the warriors, i just don’t see it happening. I love Monta and Stephen Jackson together in the backcourt. I don’t see the warriors playing enough defense to make the playoffs in the west.

[JordanC20Participant]

Mario Chalmers, Michael Beasley, Marreese Speights, OJ Mayo, Brook Lopez, Anthony Randolph, and Brandon Rush

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

my first comment in debunking the BRoy-Gordon comparison was in regards to their skill sets… that’s what i meant by undersized SG- oversized PG…

Looks like we’re on the same page about this guy. He’s very talented, clearly.

IMO, that was a WEAK big 10 conference and Gordon didn’t have what it took to be a WINNER, even while playing with the best big man in that conference, DJ White. They collapsed in the second half of the year against a sub-par conference after piling up the wins against a scrubby non-conference schedule.

Also, from what I watched, Gordon pouted more than my 6-year old sister… not a winning quality to me.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I didn’t say you said he’d never be a winner. The problem is, even QUESTIONING if he’ll ever be a winner in the NBA based on only two seasons… Two disfunctional seasons at that.

The situation at IU is well documented. They went 25-8, despite a second half melt-down. It takes more than two players to make a team successful. That was a horrible situation for ANY player to be in… PERIOD. The Clippers have ALWAYS been a losing team & are the most disfunctional team in the NBA. If anything, Gordon was one of the few bright spots they had last season. You said Gordon has been a “consistent LOSER” like the losing is his fault. I don’t know too many players, a young player at that, who could win anything major being in these two situations. In my opinion, Gordon has handled the last two seasons the best he can. He’s pracitced hard, played hard & played through injury despite the situations.Those are the actions of a winner to me.

I’m not the guy who compared Gordon to Roy. The guy was comparing them skill wise, which I disagree w/. If you would’ve presented an argument about how Gordon didn’t compare to Roy skill wise, I would’ve been all for it. However you brought up this whole “being a winner” thing & I just don’t understand you. First, Roy played four years at Washington & three in the NBA. Gordon played one year at IU & one in the NBA. That’s seven years played to two. Of course Roy will be more of a winner. He’s older, has had more opportunities to win & been in great situations.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Yea, you’re stupid… If pouting isn’t a winning quality, then it’s a problem almost every NBA player has.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

lol you have great arguments, #1 on your list: you’re stupid…. just because some WINNERS pout, doesn’t make it a winning quality. i’d say that, all else equal, i’d take a guy who doesn’t pout over a guy who pouts everyday of the week. I don’t just mean in regards to the officials, but in terms of playing time, play selection, etc….

[BosteritoParticipant]

Isnt Dwight Howard Skinny as hell and 6-11?

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I just don’t understand your agruments lol. First, I never said just because some winners pout, that makes it a winning quality. My point was that if pouting is a bad quality, then it’s one almost every NBA player has.

Gordon pouts at times in regards to the officials (who doesn’t), but he’s never been a pouter in regards to practice, playing time or shot/play selection.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

the games i watched he always had bad body language, looked like he was pissed at the coaching (could have something to do with the whole coaching FIASCO) looked like he was pissed at his team, didn’t seem to be trying his hardest (could have been the injury) but yea, that’s a lot of ifs to me…. he hasn’t proven to me that he will be a winner. i’m not questioning whether he CAN become a winner, just whether he ever WILL be a winner. he has the potential.

and, all else equal, would you or would you not take a guy who doesn’t pout over one who does?

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

This is EXACTLY why I called you stupid. If your teammates were getting high, partying too much, not practicing hard & f*cking up the team chemistry… Wouldn’t you be pissed too? Wouldn’t you have bad body language from time to time, considering your college experience is being f*cked up right before your eyes? If your coach was bringing negative attention to the team & not providing the right guidance like he should, wouldn’t you be pissed at him too? However, he still practiced hard, playerd hard & played through injury. The same can be said during his first season w/ the Clippers. Yea, those are WINNING qualities. It may not have led to a Big Ten/NCAA Championship or the NBA Playoffs, but those are winning qualities.

I’ve known Gordon since he was in the 5th grade & he’s always been a winner. Always displayed a winning attitude. He busts his ass in practice & games (always has). He gives the same effort in practices as he does in games. He always has a positive attitude. He works hard in the weight room, in drills, he’s on time (early) & is one of the last to leave. He’s a good teammate. He’s a great person on & off the court.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

and he still hasn’t proven to be a winner post-HS…..

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Well, you only have two disfunctional years to go by… Lol. I guess that’s a lot to you. Like I said… STUPID.

[sheltwon3Participant]

this is to Xbadge, I put the KG comparison out there and let me start by this there is no player that is a exact copy of another player. There are some that are more close. Randolph is 7 foot now and can handle the rock and is strong despite his frame. These are all similiar to KG but obviously he has not done anything yet in the NBA to say i have just merit. Randolph also has a decent and improving jumper. His D will improve along with his improving work ethic. To me Randolph is already at a higher curve than Bosh. We will see. I tend to be right about people. I was right about Curry early in the draft process because he became a lot to be top 7 and maybe even top 3 if OKC would have grabbed him.
What you have to look at is not so much the player because a lot of player has similarities, it is how the coaches use him. I believe Nelson will use him in way he coud look KG to some extent. I am in no way saying he is KG because i remember when KG came on the seen and he had that game where he had double digit points and like 3 or 4 thing in the 7’s. Don’t overblow stuff unless you have absolute proof of what is being said. I will guarantee this season people will speak about Randolph being the next KG and have the stats to prove it.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

i’m not saying that they don’t have similarities… i just hate when people say the next KG, cuz he isn’t ever going to match KGs intensity and work ethic… i like the bosh comparison a lot more.

my absolute proof is that KG is an absolute NUTCASE, and i don’t know if anyone will ever come close to his focus on winning…

[sheltwon3Participant]

My Brandon Roy Comparison with Eric Gordon is this. Gordon is going to be one of the next great combo guard scorers, and he will improve his playmaking but i do know that Gordon’s game is nothing like BRoys. Gordon is more a dominate scorer in the mold of a smaller Kobe who is working out with. The next BRoy statement was not comparing their games but comparing the fact that they will be young up and coming combo guards. Gordon’s D is better than Roys. Xbadge you seem to be this dude that looks for any small issue to complain about and never add anything of quality to these threads. First of all instead of complaining let us know what you know and if it is stuff that we can get from ESPN. com than i guess you are just a copy cat and not a free thinker that can form their own analysis like some of us in here. Tez i hear what you saying, you have given me some good info at times.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

i questioned whether he will ever be a winner… is that not a logical conclusion to draw from his first two years and the fact that he plays on LAC? i didn’t question whether or not he has the potential to be a winner… regardless he will put up good scoring numbers in the process and probably garner a HUGE 2nd deal… good for your boy. i’m happy for him. i hope he does well because he’s an exceptional talent and when he’s at his best he’s fun to watch. I just don’t know if he’ll ever be at the heart of winning team like he was on the summer AAU circuit.

what do you think has more bearing: 8 years playing (from 5-12 grade) or 2 years playing in college and the pros? i’m not trying to hate on the kid, i just question whether he will ever win a lot in the NBA.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

i just like a good debate… i think it’s funny that you say im a copy cat when the majority of people out there are saying anthony randolph is the next KG… who has the copy cat opinion?

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

what i know: KG is the most intense player i have ever watched, and people should be cautious in jumping to comparison of any player to KG. any lanky 7 footer with a jumper should first be compared to bosh (as you just did) and not to KG.

Eric gordon: hasn’t won shit since he’s played against higher competition… he is a good combo-guard scorer, i’ll give you that. but what’s the point of just agreeing with everything that is said? what’s the point? do i not concede when people have a point?

[sheltwon3Participant]

I do understand and It is possible he will not get there but skill wise and size wise you have to look at it because Randolph is in the middle between a Bosh and KG and I think he can be closer to KG. Randolph may have that Louisiana laid back style but dude is fierce. Randolph is already surrounded by better player early so I know it will be hard for him to have the same intensity as KG but you never know.
Also when people use that Next something, most of the time it will be that best player in that position or stye which in Randolph case will be KG. Just like in Kobe’s case it is Jordan. That is just how it is but I will say this Randolph if he work as hard has gift that would put him on KG level. He is a 7 footer with length, crazy athleticism, and handles like a guard. He has all the physical gifts that KG had and if he gets in the gym and work on his game I can see him doing it. Bosh was a totally different type of player than KG coming in. Also my Eric Gordon’ comparison was not meant to be spot on, Eric Gordon is more like a Ben Gordon/Dwayne Wade combo if i wanted to make a comparison.

[gatorheelsParticipant]

Eric Gordon is a talented player but your right I haven’t seen him show much emotion ever and he is stuck on a bad team. Blake Griffin is not the saviour. The Clippers are going to be terrible for a long time unless they get John Wall next year and trade Baron for something good. I don’t think Eric Gordon is a winner. I like his game though and I hope the Clippers do turn it around but they are still years away from competing.

By the way though Randolph has a great work ethic now.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

so… you do see my points. i’m not trying to be an ass, but what’s the point of just posting in agreement with everyone? isn’t that the point- to discuss and debate. i’m mostly just bored, sorry if i offended you

[sheltwon3Participant]

Eric Gordon was the reason that LAC did not win lol, you are amazing lol. Also I made this comparison based on what I saw about both players. I am originally from Louisiana. Also quite frankly, I think Randolph can be better but right now his D and IQ are slightly down. KG was never in the right system until early in his carreer and with Boston. He games started to stagnate for a few years when Minnesota stunk. Randolph is in a better system for his game. I do realize that is going off the blue but that is the same comparison we make with Lebron being better than Kobe eventually if he can keep his normal pace. Randolph is actually more physically gifted than KG was by a little. I think his improved work ethic and if he starts working out with Kobe like Eric Gordon is and it is a wrap.

[OldSkoolBasketballParticipant]

Oden and Bayless will shine.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

who ever said eric gordon was the reason they didn’t win? not me. was he or was he not a part of that losing team though?

KG’s game never stagnated in MN… you are wrong in that respect and proved that you didn’t watch Twolves games. KG was the SOLE reason the twolves made the 1st round of the playoffs a gagillion years in a row, but he never advanced because Wally’s World was the 2nd best player. I’ll repeat that Wally was the 2nd best player…

the one year they had decent talent they made the conference finals (sprewell, cassell)

i don’t like the comparison of anthony Randolph to KG… that is my opinion, which you obviously don’t care for. regardless, it is stil my opinion.

[sheltwon3Participant]

I know Randolph has a great workout ethic now but you dont learn how to work yourself into stardom your first year, Kobe does special training and also watches a lot of film. I just feel like the film aspect may be missing from Randolph. Trust me I tend to favor all LSU players and people from Louisiana because that is my hometown even though i am in texas now. I am all critical of what he must do. Also you can say a player is not a winner after he is put in a position of favor and he loses but not when he is put in a bad situation already. Gordon was not the reason for his team being terrible. Dude is working out with Kobe. Kobe will not let him be a loser and that is for sure. To get a winner mentality you work out with winners. Gordon is doing that and next year you will see.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

KG was in a bad situation every year but 1 and he made the playoffs like 10 years in a row. THAT TO ME IS A WINNER.

yea the clippers are a ‘bad’ situation but they also had a relatively talented roster, and i believe they won only 19 games…. KG never had players like thorton, camby, kaman, davis on his team and he still managed to win every year.

[sheltwon3Participant]

It actually did because i actually kept up with with the Wolves and I actually watched them play live against the sixers with AI before and I have pictures. He got to a point where he was not getting better you dont always get better carrying bad teammates because it gives you bad habits. Ask Kobe. I watch KG D improve and him add some range and then for a few years, he was like the same player. Minnesota lost a little bit of that fire but he regained after the trade. I am sure KG would tell you himself that he lost a little fire after that got far and Sprewell did not get signed and they sucked again. It is only so much you can take. Wally was not really a bad player but he never worked well with KG and they tried to make it work. McHale is known to put 2 players that don’t work together and try to make them work. Kevin Love and Jeffererson will never work unless Love continues off the bench. That would be a waste though.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I give up. If you don’t understand that a young player playing ONLY TWO years on two disfunctional teams isn’t enough time played to question whether or not he’ll ever be a winner during his NBA career… Then I just don’t know what else to say. To me this is common sense. I mean, unless Gordon was just known as being a selfish teammate, bad player, etc… I just don’t know how you could question him this early in his career, especially considering the situations he’s been in. That’s what led me to call you stupid. Right now, he’s neither a winner or a loser… He has MANY winning qualities. Why would you be anything besides neutral at this point in regards to him potentially having a winning NBA career? I just don’t get it. Y’all make it like he’ll spend his whole career w/ the Clippers. It’s just too early too say anything at this point other than he’s been on a disfunctional college team & the worst team in the NBA.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

“Wally was not really a bad player but he never worked well with KG and they tried to make it work.”

“I am sure KG would tell you himself that he lost a little fire”

Lol Wally is certainly not a legitimate 2nd best player on anyone’s team… he never has been, never will be. he could never play a lick of defense and he was a one-dimensional player. the Twolves won because of KG.

KG never lost any fire, ANY GAME he played. he would never admit to playing with less fire than 200%.

[sheltwon3Participant]

tez you are right and the clippers was never about talent which they had. The players gave up on the coach and their were injuries. The was nothing that Gordon could do but play hard and make these game interesting and somewhat competitive. Roy did now win much until his second season with Portland. They won but they did not make the playoffs or neither were they in the chase. Gordon will be alright and I actually saw him as being their main bright spot.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

“Why would you be anything besides neutral at this point in regards to him potentially having a winning NBA career?”

i said, i don’t know if he will every be a winner in the NBA…… is that or is that not neutral? you said it was STUPID to question whether or not he’ll be a winner, and now your neutral on the situation? hmmmm

in comparing him to BRoy, i think that’s definitely a difference between the two… another difference is the situations they have been put in, you’re right in that respect.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

“I don’t know if he’ll ever be a winner” is a neutral statement to you? If it is neutral, it’s an extremely pessamistic neutral statement.

My point is, that at this point in his career… It’s too early to question his ability to win during his NBA career. You’re using the last two years (two disfunctional teams) to say, “He’s been a consistent LOSER & I don’t know if he’ll ever be a winner.” That’s just not very neutral to me, nor smart.

In this case, you have to say the same thing about OJ Mayo & so many other young players who’ve not won much since being in the NBA. Other than Derrick Rose, what rookie from the 2008 class won anything major in college or the NBA? I guess I don’t know if Kevin Durant will ever be a winner in the NBA because his team has sucked the last two seasons! It’s just a silly statement to make. At this point in Gordon’s career, along w/ many others… I’m not willing to question whether or not they’ll be winners. I’m optimistic & think that it’s possible a lot of them can become winners.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

which puts Roy in a different category than all those guys (besides rose) because he has won…. point proven

I would definitely say the same thing about Mayo… I don’t know if he will ever be a winner.

i’ll definitely admit consistent loser was the wrong term, though I think he has been a loser in his 2 post-HS seasons…

[gatorheelsParticipant]

Yeah Love & Jefferson will never work unless Love comes off the bench….that is a true statment Sheltwon. I have a feeling one of them is going to get traded within a year or two.

I also agree xbadger about Mayo. He hasn’t shown me that he even really cares about winning yet. I personally always thought he may just be after the money & fame. I hope I’m wrong cuz he is talented but is he motivated?

Yeah I won’t call Gordon a loser yet but he definitely isn’t a winner. It sucks he has to play for the Clippers….lets hope for his sake he doesn’t stay there his hole career.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

I know this is pretty far away from my original post but i havent been on. Someone is trying to say that because Mbah a Moute started last year, means that he will start this year. That is a STUPID statement. They guy started when there were scorers around him. Mainly Jefferson and Charlie V. Now that those guys are gone, Redd is recovering and has always been more catch and shoot ( since in the NBA ), they are going to need a scorer to be in the starting lineup. Mbah a Moute is a hard working, undersized, PF. He cant score. He will see alot of time, and maybe start at the PF but Alexander is going to be the starting SF and have a great year. Mbah a Moute will always be the same player untill he learns to shoot a little bit. Guy will never be a starting SF. In the NBA now, that is expected to be the most explosive position and thats not what Mbah a Moute is, however, this is Joe Alexander’s middle name.

[JoeWolf1]

Mario Chalmers was a steal in the second round and averaged close to two steals per game as a rookie, he is only going to get better and eventually be an elite defender at point guard. He can manage a game as well, averaging close to 5 apg and is a decent shooter with a great IQ, i bet he is in the 13ppg 6 apg 4 rpg and 2 spg next year and is only going to get better.

[BosteritoParticipant]

JoeWolf1 nailed it

[sheltwon3Participant]

What makes a guy a winner, you cant be considered a loser of even have doubt about you being a winner he you have not had enough time to show that. If a guy plays hard on a bad team, is he a winner. I remember people doubting KG until he got traded to Boston and won it all. These arguments are stupid because basketball is a team sport. Was Kobe a loser when the Lakers sucked. I like Eric Gordon as a potential winner though because he already has lot of great shooting guard skills. Shooting slashing and getting to the line. Clutch shooting. He just needs to learn how to make his teammates better and that comes with time.

[sheltwon3Participant]

I think you are right that ole boy will not start in Milwaukee mainly because they dont have the offense to give him time starting right now but maybe with a few changes they will be. It depends on who starts if he can start with them because if they can balance out their bench it could work bout it is not a definite. Also i never said that Wally was a good second option for Minnesota. There are lot of teams that he could have been a second option on, back in the day Wally was shooting 50 percent as a perimeter player. There are tons of guys who cant defend their position that have done well in the NBA. Wally just did not fit their team. Cleveland was not a good fit either because Mike Brown is all about D which Wally does not play so he does not get much time to get his scoring out there.

[Mr. BasketballParticipant]

Look xbadge…:

ur arguement is terrible, sorry.

he does not pout all the time, thats just how he is. he always looks like that. whether he hits a game winner or is down by 40. its like when baron always smiles, thats just how he is. its not pouting, its just not being too happy or too low at one point in time. he has a neutral attitude towards all basketball actions in terms of the emotion he shows. also, i watch every clipper game and i can tell u that he rarely ever complains about a call to the refs. Actually the few times that he did complain the announcers would point out because it was such a strange sight.

next thing u missed on gordon: the mark of a winner is not shone by how they act in times of fortune, but rather how they act in times of hardship. The fact that he performed so well in the two post high school situations he played in shows just how much of a winner he is. The only guys who could have won in those situations are probably lebron and kobe. O and those two players have been in the league for much longer than gordon has. Too fault a rookie for not leading his team to the playoffs in a horriffic situation is just plain stupid. Now i know what ur going to say: u were questioning him, not calling him a loser. However, u can’t question a rookie’s winning mentality w\\\

[butidonthavemoney]

Eric Gordon is cool but his game doesn’t mesh with Al Thornton. The Clippers need to lose one of those two players.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

clippers… you’re exactly on point. The way Gordon is now, w/ his attitude, etc… He’s been that way since he was in 5th grade. He never gets too high or too low. He’s always been a leader/winner in my book. I remember when he was in 5th grade & he moved up to play in this huge tournament w/ my lil’ brothers 7th grade AAU team. Not only was he starting at point guard by the end of the tournament, he played HUGE & wasn’t even phased by players 2-3 years older than him. I’ve never seen a player who’s been as dedicated to basketball as him… Seriously & I’ve seen a lot of good players. I promise… That dude lives, eats, sh*ts & sleeps basketball & he stands for the right things… Plays the game the right way. I just can’t imagine him not having a successful NBA career.

butidonthavemoney… They’ll trade Thornton WAY before Gordon. Thornton is a black hole. Once he gets the ball, he’s going to isolate & shoot. He’s never seen a shot he didn’t like lol. He needs to work on moving the ball & being effective w/o the ball in his hands.

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