[Sharp ShooterParticipant]

 As the season winds down, its clear the pistons will not be in the playoffs this year.  So what next for the pistons for the off season.  Here are my thoughts:

1. Reggie will nost likely be gone. He has played awful this season (partially due to knee injury) but he never seemed to get anyone else involved in the offense which affects everyones productivity 

2. Andre Drummond: I’m going to assume he’s going to be in the hot seat. Like Howard, Drummond and SVG don’t click. Furthermore Drummond regressed (and got exposed) after signing the big contract in the off season, and he always seemed disinterested/disappeared in games. The Pistons tried to traded him early in the season for Cousins but the Kings rejected it. Finally, his FT shooting has improved he still hurt us down the stretch with us benching him.

3. KCP: It’ll be interesting to see what the pistons do with him. Should he be a max player?  Do you just let him walk ( the Nets stated he’s their #1 priority)  Is Stanely Johnson ready to take his spot?

4. Tobias Harris: Was the pistons consistent player all season, and the lone bright spot. He flourished in both roles off the bench, as well as a starter. I expect The Pistons go to scorer to be there again. I do believe he is better suited at the 3 instead of the 4

5. Marcus Morris: Mr. Consistent. Is the best way to describe him. I expect him to be back next season as well. I do think he’s upgradable, and better suited off the bench.

6. The Bench: Luer and Baynes were servicable for most of the season. Ish Smith was a great off season pickup. An efficient, pass first pg, who also played nice defense as well. Expecting him to return. IMO Stanely Johnson was unfaily on a short leash all season with SVG (although SVG did not hold some of the other starters to the same standards) At times SJ showed his body language on the bench.  When given consistent time, he has shown to be an asset, most times. Bullock regressed. Henry Ellison, has been buried in the D League since day 1

7. SVG: I expect SVG to return, but again he will be in the hot seat if the pistons don’t produce next season.

Overall pistons have their work cut out for them. They need to get rid of the dead weight of the "lazy, inconsistent, and poor attitudes players" ,I expect Reggie and Drummond to be gone. KCP will most likely return with  expense of being overpaid. But he has shown the ability to be the pistons MVP player this season.  As for the Draft, believe the pistons will try to move up, to get a player who can contribute right away. I  would expect them to draft a PG, or a C.

Thoughts?

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I feel bad for the Pistons. They really made all the right moves and now are in a similar situation as previous Pistons teams. 

I would fire SVG. Always liked him as a coach but its clear he lost this team earlier in the season. They cant maneuver much with all the money theyve spent so they need to bring in a new voice. 

You might have to let KCP walk. I think he has the abillity to breakout in Brooklyn similar to the way Barnes broke out in Dallas but on this Pistons team with Harris, Morris and the group his fuether growth projects to be marginal at best and not worth the max. 

 

 

 

[ChoppyParticipant]

 I’m glad somebody made this thread, I was thinking of doing one myself. Some thoughts:

Marcus Morris should be a sixth man – His jump shot is so inconsistent but his defence is sound, can guard either the 3 or 4 for stretches. Would be a handy, versatile 6th man. 

Jackson needs to go. Doesn’t fit with what we have. Might have to get cents on the dollar. Getting a draft pick or two back would be fantastic if unrealistic. 

Stop feeding Drummond in the post! He is Ben Wallace 2.0 offensively in the sense he can’t shoot (FT or FG), is great at rebounding and can dunk. He’s average at best defending the hoop but is very good at finishig lobs. Stop featuring him on offence. Let him get his points from lobs and offensive rebounds. 

Let KCP walk or a sign and trade – we might regret this, but I can’t justify paying him max money. If we can get rid of Jacksons salary then signing him to a max deal is more palatable. Unfortunately I think Jackson has zero value around the league and we’ll be stuck with him. Which means we may have to let KCP walk. 

Welcome back to the lottery – I now have a reason to get excited about the lottery again! Hopefully we can draft Jackson’s replacement in the draft.

[ChoppyParticipant]

 Free Stanley – this can go either of two ways: trade him or let him show what he can do. In my mind, benching Morris and starting Stanley is a no brainer. Otherwise, trade him and get someone you like better. Either way, free Stanley. 

[Andv1 WaitingParticipant]

 If I was Stan Van lol I am doing the following: rest of the season evaluating team and tanking for a higher pick if you fall out of playoff mix in next two games:

At the end of the season you decide is drummond a 1,2 or 3 tier franchise player(Cp3,blake,D.J)

If a tier 1 you get players that fit you dwight like system so a stretch 4 maybe an Ibaka or Gallinari make sense there and sign J.J reddick..

move Morris to the bench,Start Tobias,if you believe KCP is worth the max then pay him and move Reggie for a PG that fits your Dwight like system(it may take your pick this to do it though)…Bench is Jon leur,Morris,Stan J,J.J reddick and Ish Smith which isn’t horrible starters: A.D,Ibaka/gallinari,Tobias,KCP and new pg…See if T-wolves would do Rubio for Reggie and this years pick maybe? This saves you cap and may be a better fit for Stan/A.Drum

if you think Drummond is a tier two then you have decide who you really want to build around do you trade up in the draft-Trade a vet player and your pick for higher pick to get your star or do you chase a Gordan hayward etc and have Drummond compliment them…

If tier 3 then you clean house for as many assets as possible: Drummond for as many young players + picks as possible,KCP sign and trade,Tobias for young talent that fit your system(Abrines? could play a young reddick role) Morris I and maybe Stanley J I would keep if he could build on year 1 vs now but he could also get you something nice….

The hard part for stan though is this stay pat for to long and you are in a Dumars situation(Ben G/Charlie V)/hot seat  but time it right and you get another dwight 09 moment…

 

 Personally though I would clean house and press reset as I think the players maybe starting to tune Stan out a little…Which = losing/less effort…Try for a top 3 pick and some quality young pieces for Drummond and what ever you pieces that fit your system you can get…For example maybe you trade Morris for Oubre and their pick, Sign and trade KCP for young pieces,Tobias to the  thunder maybe forSingler, Abrines(would prefer to keep him out if possible and give up trade exception),this years pick we draft the player then trade it to Pistons and Mcdermott? and decide if you are keeping stan J or trading for a future pick or not…

 

 

 

 

 

[Sharp ShooterParticipant]

 The pistons need alot of help. I agree I would dangle Drummond in the draft to see if you can move up to a higher pick. If not, the pistons do need to get rid of him, because he’s a liability in so many ways (FT, Attitude, no offense, overall demeanor that spreads)

If they choose to keep him, the pistons will need:

1. SHOOTERS, SHOOTERS, SHOOTERS. The pistons are poor 3 point shooters. They will need someone like JJ Reddick, Gallnari, Casspi, Ryan Anderson  kind of player. Especially if SJ get the starter role next season

2.  PF that can stretch the floor/shoot. As well as shot blocker,  Harris is better suited at the 3. They need a Ibaka type player. Some may disagree but even with his physical gifts Drummond is a poor shot blocker, with terrible Bball awareness, which is evident with his goal-tending, foul trouble, help-side defense. So looking for a big man to play along side him to help cover up his defensive woes would help (and who could occasionally guard mobile C’s in spurts).

3.  Pass First Guard:  Reggie is out. Point blank. Players like Rubio would be a plus. Jeff Teague would be a nice pickup as well. I remember the pistons tried to get him when he was playing for the Hawks (his all star season) 

4. Go to scorer off the bench (big): Pistons need someone who knows how to score mid range, and face-up and back to basket (pick and roll as well).  Jeff Green could contribute, but some team will probably over pay. So they may try to draft someone (from the 2nd round)

 

 

 

 

[Andv1 WaitingParticipant]

 The Jeff Green one sorry. I have seen him in most of his stops: OKC(the main one),Boston,Memphis,clippers and Magic… The one knock on him this he is far to inconsistent he is either a feast or famine kind of player I would prefer a player that can give you a consistent 8-12 ppg  a few boards,some dimes a player who may fit better James Johnson of Miami he could possibly be had for cheap also..

Another option if Rubio can’t be had is maybe a sign and trade for Reggie J who is tight with wait for it… PG13 this works for both teams for one reason. PG is happy as he gets his friend(which may help them reup PG) and Stan gets a fresh start with Teague..

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 KCP is an RFA so a lot will depend on what offer Detroit will give him, he was improving nicely each year but seems to have gone back slightly. A first choice NBA SG who has come off a 14ppg season cannot expect the sort of deal that his people were looking for apparently last year. With Detroit having a lot of money already tied up, do they commit money long term to KCP, Maybe a fresh start where he can be a real key man going forward is what he needs.

Andre Drummond is the very interesting one, if he was on the block a lot of teams may well look at him but will he ever be a 20ppg scorer or is his value as a good defensive anchor, Boston have so many assets, I could see Ainge havin g a good look if Drummond was available but would he give up this year’s pick for him from the Nets I wonder. Boston have guys stashed young pieces, future picks and might gamble with the Nets 2018 pick if they really wanted Drummond.

SVG would love the pick this year but unless it goes outside top 3, I don’t see Boston putting it in play. If Boston got 2018 Nets pick, they could tank away next year knowing they could have two great picks at the end of that season.

 

 

[r377Participant]

the Pistons have really done bad with signings/trades and also developing young players/draft picks.

Reggie Jackson, Baynes, Meeks, Brandon Jennings, Josh Smith, Ben Gordon, Charlie V.

The only good – the Tobias trade, Ish Smith signing.

Then Players we gave up on too early:
Dinwiddie, Middleton, Brandon Knight, Afflalo, Amir Johnson, Carlos Delfino, Okur

[Sharp ShooterParticipant]

 I agree! Especially with the drafting. I remember when the pistons drafted Delfino. Iwas high on him, I thought he would’ve been a Manu Ginobili type player, but the pistons didn’t develop him right he for the most part he rotted on the bench.  Same with Affalo, I preferred him over Stuckey. I never cared for his attitude, Affalo was the KCP be fore KCP. He had a good attitude, nice defensive player, an great work ethic. 

Never was high on neither Villaneva, or Gordon in their fluke seaon with their past teams (raptors, and his 50 point game and The Bulls–which I thought the pistons signed him as a revenge for the bulls signing ben wallace.) 

I wouldn’t call BJennings a bad signing. He gave the pistons an "Edgier" persona and brought a different dynamic/energy to the team, from the previous Pistons guards (Stuckey, Calderon)

 

 

[binetParticipant]

It’s really possible the Pistons have to go to a full rebuild and try to trade almost every players they have. Drummond still is promising with flashes of dominance but it seems he will never be a + player with his FT shooting and inconsistency, at least not developped by SVG.

Stanley Johnson went from very promising to likely out of the league by 2020, what tells a lot about development and coaching issues regarding young talent.

Firing SVG makes a lot of sense particularly since he is the president of basketball operations and would not go the rebuilding route presumably.

Tobias should have a decent value via trade this summer. 

I think you should let KCP walk if Brooklyn or somebody gives him the max. He is not a top 2, perhaps not even top 3 player on championship team, you should not allocate this much money on him. If he gets affordable offers of course that change the equation.

 

 

 

 

[r377Participant]

I was never keen on Drummond
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/andre-drummond-13

or Reggie “fools gold” Jackson
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/knicks-trade-0

or KCP – he aint Joe Dumars or Rip Hamilton and I hope they don’t throw big $$ at him this summer. Let him walk
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/pistons-and-8-pick

I have following the Pistons fans on facebook bitching about Drummond and Reggie Jackson for the past 2-3 months.

1 – reggie Jackson and his big contract is going to be hard to move. They couldn’t move him for Rubio or Payton. PG are a dime a dozen, there will be another 5or 6 good PG coming through in this years draft. He is him first and not team first.

2 – Drummond never performed well in college, lacks heart and isn’t the greatest defender. Not to mention poor ft%

3 – Let pope walk, why have 3X$20mill+ players on your squad if you still can’t even make the playoffs.

6 – never a fan of ellenson draft pick – I wanted Korkmaz

7 – SVG is prob 50-50 to come back – he came out and said it was his fault this pistons missed the playoffs

8 – they need to move drummond or reggie. Someone might want drummond but now most teams have good starting centres these days. The Kings are quite gullible, I wonder if we could trade Drummond for one of their first round picks. There are 5 good PG in this draft, one of them will fall to that pick or even Malik Monk. With our pick I quite like Jarrett Allen. Rumors are about Miles Bridges but that’s a Michigan thing….

[Andv1 WaitingParticipant]

 Drummond at 9 was a good pick as who else would you take with that pick…Don’t say draymond that would have been a serious reach at the time…

Reggie-Thats why OKC traded him for nothing essentially he is an alright back up but that is it I wouldn’t want him starting on my team…The OKC sample showed he can’t start full time and win.

KCP agreed the only catch is I think Ownership is high on the guy and due to cap who else can you get? So its better to sign him then move him rather than get nothing..

1-Rumor has it Stan prefered Reggie over Rubio/Payton…The pistons didn’t make the move so…

2- Yet he is basically a D.J/Dwight clone at the NBA level minus the bad personality..

3.Sign and trade him as what are you going to upgrade him with?Its better to go over the cap and have an asset than have nothing and still have very little cap you could also back load the deal to help get some more pieces..

4.The 2016 draft sucked outside top 8 and no one wanted into that draft so…Picking out side top 8 was going to be a crapshot really…

5.Of cours stan would say its his fault he can’t exactly say hey my team is a bunch of knuckle heads i need to find some buyers for these guys.. As if he did that then he is stuck with them and they won’t exactly want to play for him then….

6. Move Reggie Drummond still has potential and without Reggie seems like he is more of a Team guy…

But if I had to move Drummond I am cleaning the whole team out and having a fresh start.Trade everything for expiring deals young talent and picks 

7.One pick for him I guarantee you could get a deal at least similar to the Kings pelicans pick-A top 3 protected pick and a young player in a recent draft that is maybe not working out or they are willing to move -like Buddy hield. I could see Boston giving the two brooklyn picks up  and maybe a young piece that they don’t want to pay ..Especially with drummond being locked up for 3+ years, the rest of the pistons trade value is hard to gauge…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[natevalParticipant]

 I can promise you Boston wouldn’t give up both Nets picks and young talent for Drummond. Drummond is a straight up liability late in games for playoff teams. Can’t have a guy with his FT shooting % in playoff games at crunch time.

[r377Participant]

To be honest the Drummond pick wasn’t bad – I didn’t hate it. I would of personally taken J Lamb with that pick and Drummond second choice so I didn’t mind that pick.

I just didn’t like the massive contract extension. He is an excellent rebounder, but has always lacked heart and never performed well in college. He is a poor shooter and ft shooter. In the past few years the euros and inters have done really well at the centre position so now virtually every team has a good centre or at least young promising centre

[HitsterParticipant]

Drummond’s trade value is variable, he is only 23 and has 4 years left on his deal so should have really high trade value but with questions over his scoring and perhaps the thought he isn’t at the level defensively that a Gobert/Adams type guy is.

If the Kings could nab Drummond for one of their first rounders this year, I like the idea but Detroit would likely want best of the two possible picks and I’d not want Kings to pass on a top prospect to take Drummond. Also Kings have got WCS and Georgios as young frontcourters who they may want to give playing time to.

Detroit would want picks and assets for Drummond and the team taking him on would need space to assume his salary, so finding the right taker may not be easy.

A lot can happen on draft night though and Detroit if they make players available may suddenly find takers.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Sorry to break it to you but Andre Drummonds trade value is not as high as you think. I always thought he was overrated. The Kings probally wouldnt give up a Top 10 pick for him. Its similar to the Noel situation in my opinion. 

Youve got this 7 foot 280 pound freak of nature athlete but he cant shoot, has bricks for hands, cant pass, and plays bad defence. Hes basically a huge body that throws around his weight alot and plays athletic. Hes not Shaq,  or Deandre Jordan and hes defenitely not Orlando Dwight Howard. What can you do with a guy like this. 

Doesnt provide rim protection. Not a good help defender. Not a good man to man defender. You put Valanciunas on him he gets lit up. You put Ibaka on him he gets spaced out and he cant do anything to abuse Ibaka in the post. 

 

 

 

[ChoppyParticipant]

 …but still only 22 or 23. There’s people in this draft as old as him. He still has the potential for improvement, especially on defence. Not so much on offence. I think he can be a capable defender and rim protector, but he needs to listen to coaching more. Not that he’s a malcontent, but I’ve read articles quoting SVG where they want him to do something on defence and he just reverts to his comfort zone. 

I agree, his trade value is low right now, but it’s not quite in the toilet yet either. Someone would offer something of value for him. 

[RioRepParticipant]

Hire Sam Hinkie.

[r377Participant]

If I was in charge of the Pistons I would consider the following trades (with minor changes for salary adjustment)

Drummond and Stanley for Nurkic – Jokic – Jamal Murray – Chriss&Warren – Okafor&Saric – Ingram – Dunn&dieng

Drummond for any draft pick 1-14. Maker&Brogdon – Papa&Hield – Smart&Crowder

Drummond and our lotto pick for a top3 pick

Stanley Johnson for any draft pick 1-19. Henzonja – Will Barton – Korkmaz&Justin Anderson – Stauskis – Gary Harris – Jeremy Lamb – Portis – Zicic – Zubac – Willy Hernagomez – Kaminsky – Juan Hernangomez

reggie Jackson – PGs are dime a dozen – I would take any draft pick just to dump his salary. CoJo – Lamb – Jeremy Lin – Jerian Grant – Shelvin Mack – Malik Beasley

[HitsterParticipant]

With Drummond not getting a lot of love and perhaps needing a fresh start how about Drummond for Brook Lopez?

The Nets get Drummond with several years left on his deal and can make him the main part of their rebuild or flip him in the future for assets, they get a return on Lopez who will be a FA next summer. They have cap space to assume his deal.

The Pistons get a scoring upgrade at C and it puts Brook on a team which aren’t going to be rebuilding for several years. The Pistons could even flip Brook for an asset and at worse with only one year on his deal save a load of cap space compared to Drummond’s deal.

My other idea is Charlotte do something around Zeller or Miles Plumlee plus a pick or Ramon Sessions team option for Drummond.

The Pistons can waive Sessions so save money next year and get a decent first rounder too.

The Hornets get a legit big body in the frontcourt and with Patrick Ewing as Lead Assistant it gives Drummond the chance to work with him. Pat is one of the best big man coaches in the NBA and surely he could improve Drummond.

[r377Participant]

Yes i did think about broken lopez. The nets wanted two draft picks for him. If Detroit are not going to sign KCP then they will need a lotto rebuild. Not sure if lopez is young enough to suit their needs, but he would of put Detroit in the playoffs this season if they had him instead of drummond.

Ewing was a great player but Dwight never improved his game with Ewing’s coaching / mentoring.

[kobyzParticipant]

 So why pistons regressed from last year? still can’t figure it out, same team who challenge the cavs last playoff with close game every game in that series, they supposed to be founding a working system that should have continiue to flourish and take them tanother step forward this year, what happened? Why the team fall apart?

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Early injury to Reggie Jackson resulting in a very inconsistent season and less of an intimidating presence in the paint. The East also got alot better this year which doesnt help. 

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