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  • #31165
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    lukestine13
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     First of all i am really thrilled with the jazz’s picks in the draft.  I was a bit disappointed they didn’t make any trades though.  The picks make them better but i don’t see them making the playoffs next season, if there is one. I still think they need a better pg.  anyways back to my topic subject I hope Enes Kanter is as good as advertised so his first "undertaking" will be that of Big Al.  I know some people compare Kanter to Jefferson but i think Kanter has a high motor and drive.  He’ll go after rebounds rather than wait for rebounds to come to him like Jefferson.  I don’t like Jefferson on a rebuilding team at all he is all about his stats and not the team.  I want to see him buried on the bench so  to speak.  He along with some of Utahs other vets if they didn’t get any playing time next season i would be fine with that. Bell and Harris are the other ones in case you are wondering.  

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  • #555368
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    scliddiard
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    I’m very happy with the draft the Jazz ended up with, Kanter is a very skilled big and Burks has big upside.

             I think Big Al is the player the Jazz FO should be looking to move in a trade, we should be able to get 1 or 2 pretty decent players for him. He is a good low post scorer and those kind of players are in demand.  Granger for Big Al would be a good swap.

    The Jazz make wait a while though to allow both Favor and Kanter to ajust to the NBA and prove they can be the scorers the Jazz would need if they trade Al.

    I’m glad they didn’t draft Knight, he wasn’t what we need. I’m hoping Burks is allowed or pushed in the direction of playing point guard, his handles are good enough and he see the floor and passes well. Having a 6’6 point would be good.  Next yrs draft should provide more help either at the 3 or the point.

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  • #555419
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    scliddiard
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    I’m very happy with the draft the Jazz ended up with, Kanter is a very skilled big and Burks has big upside.

             I think Big Al is the player the Jazz FO should be looking to move in a trade, we should be able to get 1 or 2 pretty decent players for him. He is a good low post scorer and those kind of players are in demand.  Granger for Big Al would be a good swap.

    The Jazz make wait a while though to allow both Favor and Kanter to ajust to the NBA and prove they can be the scorers the Jazz would need if they trade Al.

    I’m glad they didn’t draft Knight, he wasn’t what we need. I’m hoping Burks is allowed or pushed in the direction of playing point guard, his handles are good enough and he see the floor and passes well. Having a 6’6 point would be good.  Next yrs draft should provide more help either at the 3 or the point.

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  • #555381
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    I like the combo of Enes Kanter and Derrick Favors for the future.  Throw in Alec Burks and Gordon Hayward and they are on the right track to rebuilding that franchise.

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  • #555433
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    I like the combo of Enes Kanter and Derrick Favors for the future.  Throw in Alec Burks and Gordon Hayward and they are on the right track to rebuilding that franchise.

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  • #555387
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    GottaBeTheShoes
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     If Alec Burks develops right and Enes Kanter gives you a beast off the bench.. Don’t be surprised if you see the Jazz an 8 seed. 

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  • #555439
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    GottaBeTheShoes
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     If Alec Burks develops right and Enes Kanter gives you a beast off the bench.. Don’t be surprised if you see the Jazz an 8 seed. 

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  • #555389
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    LazarusMunoz
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    Kanter should roll his eyes in the back of his head and make the throat slashing gesture when ever he makes a free throw

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  • #555441
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    LazarusMunoz
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    Kanter should roll his eyes in the back of his head and make the throat slashing gesture when ever he makes a free throw

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  • #555410
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    Memphis Madness
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    yeah, the Jazz now have some promising young big men in Kanter and Favors to go along with Milsap (6th man) and Fesenko (good backup center).  Burks sounds good, and Gordon Hayward played pretty well.  Not sure what kind of point guard would fit in best with that team.  They don’t look like a flashy, run-and-gun team but they look like they should be pretty mobile.  It seems like they need a pass-first point guard who can knock down some open jumpers.  I would really want to trade Al Jefferson but I am not sure what they could get for him. Their are a lot of stat-stuffing power forwards in this league, not sure where he would fit.  But they can probably get a solid wing player, a decent draft pick, and an expiring contract for him. 

    I would consider trading Devin Harris to a contender.  Maybe the Heat for Chalmers (sign and trade) or Norris Cole being the center piece along with Joel Anthony (decent shot blocker, an ideal 4th big man), and Mike Miller, and a future first round pick and a 2nd round pick.

    Or they could trade Devin Harris and Al Jefferson to the Lakers (who really need a good veteran point guard so Kobe can make one more run).  I would see if the Jazz could get Lamar Odom (ideal 6th man can play both forward spots), Devin Ebanks (solid wing player), Andrew Goudelock (shooter), Steve Blake (decent point guard who had a bad year and was probably in the wrong system), Shannon Brown (sign and trade), cash, and some draft picks for those two.

    The Jazz starting lineup would then be:

    PG  Steve Blake

    SG Alec Burks

    SF Gordon Hayward

    PF Derrick Favors

    C   Enes Kanter

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    PG Shannon Brown

    SG Raja Bell

    SF Lamar Odom

    PF Paul Milsap

    C  Fesenko

    Reserves: Jeremy Evans, Andrew Goudelock, Devin Ebanks

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  • #555463
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    yeah, the Jazz now have some promising young big men in Kanter and Favors to go along with Milsap (6th man) and Fesenko (good backup center).  Burks sounds good, and Gordon Hayward played pretty well.  Not sure what kind of point guard would fit in best with that team.  They don’t look like a flashy, run-and-gun team but they look like they should be pretty mobile.  It seems like they need a pass-first point guard who can knock down some open jumpers.  I would really want to trade Al Jefferson but I am not sure what they could get for him. Their are a lot of stat-stuffing power forwards in this league, not sure where he would fit.  But they can probably get a solid wing player, a decent draft pick, and an expiring contract for him. 

    I would consider trading Devin Harris to a contender.  Maybe the Heat for Chalmers (sign and trade) or Norris Cole being the center piece along with Joel Anthony (decent shot blocker, an ideal 4th big man), and Mike Miller, and a future first round pick and a 2nd round pick.

    Or they could trade Devin Harris and Al Jefferson to the Lakers (who really need a good veteran point guard so Kobe can make one more run).  I would see if the Jazz could get Lamar Odom (ideal 6th man can play both forward spots), Devin Ebanks (solid wing player), Andrew Goudelock (shooter), Steve Blake (decent point guard who had a bad year and was probably in the wrong system), Shannon Brown (sign and trade), cash, and some draft picks for those two.

    The Jazz starting lineup would then be:

    PG  Steve Blake

    SG Alec Burks

    SF Gordon Hayward

    PF Derrick Favors

    C   Enes Kanter

    Bench

    PG Shannon Brown

    SG Raja Bell

    SF Lamar Odom

    PF Paul Milsap

    C  Fesenko

    Reserves: Jeremy Evans, Andrew Goudelock, Devin Ebanks

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  • #555444
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    " The picks make them better but i don’t see them making the playoffs next season"

    They lost two out of three games after dealing Williams, so they were more Sacramento than playoff caliber. The expectations shouldn’t be for the playoffs. I think Kanter will probably struggle to get through 82 games. The combination of his previous injuries and his time off is not a promising one. I’m willing to be wrong in that prediction, but it is hard to make the argument for him being a workhorse with his history. That said, it is hard to not be excited about his size and skill level. He could end up being great, but I think they’ll need to be measured in their minutes with him as a rookie. Also, given where the Jazz are at the 2-spot and their lack of perimeter scorers, I think Alec Burks will be in a spot where he might be in contention for ROY. It is going to be a low-producing class, and the big minute/possible production guys are probably going to be Irving, Williams, Burks, Knight, and Fredette.

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  • #555497
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    " The picks make them better but i don’t see them making the playoffs next season"

    They lost two out of three games after dealing Williams, so they were more Sacramento than playoff caliber. The expectations shouldn’t be for the playoffs. I think Kanter will probably struggle to get through 82 games. The combination of his previous injuries and his time off is not a promising one. I’m willing to be wrong in that prediction, but it is hard to make the argument for him being a workhorse with his history. That said, it is hard to not be excited about his size and skill level. He could end up being great, but I think they’ll need to be measured in their minutes with him as a rookie. Also, given where the Jazz are at the 2-spot and their lack of perimeter scorers, I think Alec Burks will be in a spot where he might be in contention for ROY. It is going to be a low-producing class, and the big minute/possible production guys are probably going to be Irving, Williams, Burks, Knight, and Fredette.

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  • #555448
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    kobyz
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    now they should make a play for Monta Ellis. what about this trade?

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=5tnndgk

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  • #555501
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    kobyz
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    now they should make a play for Monta Ellis. what about this trade?

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=5tnndgk

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  • #555462
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    Scottoant93
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    If you guys can get a good pg prospect in next years draft, your rebuilding process will be complete, then its just a matter of time

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  • #555515
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    Scottoant93
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    If you guys can get a good pg prospect in next years draft, your rebuilding process will be complete, then its just a matter of time

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  • #555537
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    WinterSoldier
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     I don’t think his comparison is Jefferson he moves way better and is more athletic(look up there combine numbers) I’m also not sure that the Jazz will make the Playoffs next year they looked pretty bad after the D-Will Trade, but there definately on the right track.

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  • #555484
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     I don’t think his comparison is Jefferson he moves way better and is more athletic(look up there combine numbers) I’m also not sure that the Jazz will make the Playoffs next year they looked pretty bad after the D-Will Trade, but there definately on the right track.

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  • #555539
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    lukestine13
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     See that is what i was thinking too.  The jazz need an upgrade at point gaurd.  That is why i think they should give their yoiung guys alot of playing time next season.  If they end up in the lottery again next season that is fine by me.  With their pick and probably GS pick that makes them even better.

    Also with Burks working with Hornacek hopefully he can develop a three point shot.  If he does him and Hayward can make oppsing teams pay for it when they double our bigs in the post.

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  • #555486
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     See that is what i was thinking too.  The jazz need an upgrade at point gaurd.  That is why i think they should give their yoiung guys alot of playing time next season.  If they end up in the lottery again next season that is fine by me.  With their pick and probably GS pick that makes them even better.

    Also with Burks working with Hornacek hopefully he can develop a three point shot.  If he does him and Hayward can make oppsing teams pay for it when they double our bigs in the post.

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  • #555665
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    GottaBeTheShoes
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     Also Remember Hayward shot 29% from 3 point in college and so did burks.  Now hayward is a good/great 3 point shooter. Don’t count out burks getting much better as a shooter over the summer and through the possible lockout.

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  • #555720
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     Also Remember Hayward shot 29% from 3 point in college and so did burks.  Now hayward is a good/great 3 point shooter. Don’t count out burks getting much better as a shooter over the summer and through the possible lockout.

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  • #555821
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    billyk
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    If Burk can get up 500 jumpers a day over the summer and possible lockout, he could definatly improve he jumper…

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  • #555765
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    billyk
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    If Burk can get up 500 jumpers a day over the summer and possible lockout, he could definatly improve he jumper…

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  • #556289
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    The Jazz are very young now and should take advantage of it by playing a more up tempo game. The one guy who don’t fit is the plodding Jefferson.  Its unlikely the Jazz can afford to resign him anyways in two years with all their rookies coming off their rookie deals. Jefferson is the odd man out to me.

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  • #556348
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    The Jazz are very young now and should take advantage of it by playing a more up tempo game. The one guy who don’t fit is the plodding Jefferson.  Its unlikely the Jazz can afford to resign him anyways in two years with all their rookies coming off their rookie deals. Jefferson is the odd man out to me.

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  • #556816
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    scliddiard
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    I think the Jazz will hang on to Jefferson long enough to allow Kanter and Favors to develop and then trade him, right now Kanter and Favors haven’t proven they can be the go to guy on offense. As soon as they start showing they can be that man, Jefferson will be expendable.

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  • #556758
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    I think the Jazz will hang on to Jefferson long enough to allow Kanter and Favors to develop and then trade him, right now Kanter and Favors haven’t proven they can be the go to guy on offense. As soon as they start showing they can be that man, Jefferson will be expendable.

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